[LUTE] Re: what name is given to this instrument?
Maybe Bad Lutar? - Original Message - From: David Morales dmorale...@cuerdaspulsadas.com To: List LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] what name is given to this instrument? Does anybody know any info about this instrument? [1]http://es.tinypic.com/r/2ez46e0/5 -- References 1. http://es.tinypic.com/r/2ez46e0/5 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Off topic but not so much...
Hi everyone, Those of you interested in playing cards may have a look at this: [1]http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/709754364/ bicycle-venexiana-deck-of-playing-cards-0 The theme of the deck is 18th century Venice. -- References 1. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/709754364/bicycle-venexiana-deck-of-playing-cards-0 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession
I agree to your approach. Very clearly stated. The problem with lute making is that we are dealing with an instrument that it was silenced for centuries and modern makers are here to revive the original sound. This leaves only a little room for experimenting, whereas guitar and piano are still (and probably will be) evolving. On the other hand one could say that we are free to continue exploring materials and methods as old makers would have done if the instrument was not withdrawn from the scene. Alex - Original Message - From: Ted Woodford woodf...@spectranet.ca To: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:41 PM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession I think there may be a correlation between the working properties of a given timber and the perceived sonic possibilities it has to offer. When I think of European beech, the interesting shimmer of a freshly planed surface comes to mind, whereas North American beech has a certain ropiness to its fibres. Pearwood is silky. It's buttery under a knife blade, almost waxy. The subject of alternative woods is almost a moot point when it comes to lute construction. Given the amount of time and effort it takes to construct an instrument, as makers we tend to stick with the tried and true. A conservative clientele has something to do with this as well. It's difficult to find a player interested in funding an experiment with unknown outcome. Carbon-fibre bowls might be sonically superior but it's my guess that they wouldn't be readily accepted. In fact, there are any number of ways to make a lute louder, brighter, more playable but by adopting them we move away from what it is a lute is meant to be in the context of historical music perspective. Just what a lute is constructed from might have less impact on tone than we can reliably demonstrate. It's almost depressing to be part of a double-blind listening experiment involving classical guitars using different body woods. One realizes quickly that musicians and builders alike have almost no ability to pick out their own instrument from the field, let alone the difference between Brazilian rosewood and mahogany. The playing experience involves more than the sum of an instrument's parts. The use of - Original Message - From: James Jackson weirdgeor...@googlemail.com To: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:19 AM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession I love beech! I made a beech pegbox - it's perfect to withstand the twisting and side to side motions, particularly on a bass or treble rider. I think beech would be fantastic for a bowl too, sound should have a nice quick attack with some warmth too. As for pearwood - Believe it or not, I have an acoustic guitar with pear back and sides. On 14 May 2012 14:55, Alexandros Tzimeros [1]sarab...@otenet.gr wrote: So, it's not so out of the question as I thought. I never see beech wood listed among the woods for lute bowls and I always wondered why. I have an Oud made of beech wood and the sound is beautiful. - Original Message - From: Mark Day [2]lautenmac...@gmail.com To: Yaron Naor [3]ibi...@gmail.com Cc: Alexandros Tzimeros [4]sarab...@otenet.gr; [5]lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession I just bought some beech for making pegboxes from a local sawyer and I have to say I also love it. I bet it would perform like maple but I think it is nicer to work with. The only problem is availability. It isn't on the US lumber market anymore since it was pretty well logged out a century ago, but fortunately trees still exist and are occasionally logged by small operations. If it is available I would use it. No confession necessary! On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Yaron Naor [1][6]ibi...@gmail.com wrote: Congatulations! Maybe you will discover that the beech wood is better for bowl making and you will get a better sound... Take care Yaron Naor On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Alexandros Tzimeros [1][2][7]sarab...@otenet.gr wrote: A Hi dear all, A After discussing about pear wood in lute making, I'd like to confess A something... A - I love beech wood and I'm seriously thinking to use it for a bowl. A Phew! I said it. A Any comments please? A -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2][3][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- [Email%20Footer%20alone.jpg] [3]* *(TM) *` *(TM) *!A *(TM) * * o *Y * * * o *A A 054-7655797 *` * *(TM) *(TM) *-a * *oe *(TM) * *' *(TM) * *, *oe *(TM) *z * o
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession
Hi Yaron, I believe (and hope) you are right! I will try it. I'm always interested in the final result and not so much in the woods pedigree! Thanks, Alex - Original Message - From: [1]Yaron Naor To: [2]Alexandros Tzimeros Cc: [3]lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE-BUILDER] Confession Congatulations! Maybe you will discover that the beech wood is better for bowl making and you will get a better sound... Take care Yaron Naor On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Alexandros Tzimeros [4]sarab...@otenet.gr wrote: Hi dear all, After discussing about pear wood in lute making, I'd like to confess something... - I love beech wood and I'm seriously thinking to use it for a bowl. Phew! I said it. Any comments please? -- To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- [Email%20Footer%20alone.jpg] [6]#J+B+J+S+ J+R+W+N% N+#W+R+ 054-7655797 B+N+J+J+T+ K+L+J+ N+G+J+N+H+, L+J+M+W+D+ B+N+J+J+H+ W+T+J+Q+W+N+J+M% [7]My Musical Instrument Portfolio -- References 1. mailto:ibi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:sarab...@otenet.gr 3. mailto:lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:sarab...@otenet.gr 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://picasaweb.google.com/ibisyn 7. http://picasaweb.google.com/ibisyn
[LUTE-BUILDER] Confession
Hi dear all, After discussing about pear wood in lute making, I'd like to confess something... - I love beech wood and I'm seriously thinking to use it for a bowl. Phew! I said it. Any comments please? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession
So, it's not so out of the question as I thought. I never see beech wood listed among the woods for lute bowls and I always wondered why. I have an Oud made of beech wood and the sound is beautiful. - Original Message - From: Mark Day lautenmac...@gmail.com To: Yaron Naor ibi...@gmail.com Cc: Alexandros Tzimeros sarab...@otenet.gr; lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession I just bought some beech for making pegboxes from a local sawyer and I have to say I also love it. I bet it would perform like maple but I think it is nicer to work with. The only problem is availability. It isn't on the US lumber market anymore since it was pretty well logged out a century ago, but fortunately trees still exist and are occasionally logged by small operations. If it is available I would use it. No confession necessary! On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Yaron Naor [1]ibi...@gmail.com wrote: Congatulations! Maybe you will discover that the beech wood is better for bowl making and you will get a better sound... Take care Yaron Naor On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Alexandros Tzimeros [1][2]sarab...@otenet.gr wrote: A Hi dear all, A After discussing about pear wood in lute making, I'd like to confess A something... A - I love beech wood and I'm seriously thinking to use it for a bowl. A Phew! I said it. A Any comments please? A -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- [Email%20Footer%20alone.jpg] [3]* *(TM) *` *(TM) *!A *(TM) * * o *Y * * * o *A A 054-7655797 *` * *(TM) *(TM) *-a * *oe *(TM) * *' *(TM) * *, *oe *(TM) *z * o * *` * *(TM) *(TM) * * o *-a *(TM) *S: * o * *(TM) * [4]My Musical Instrument Portfolio -- References 1. mailto:[4]sarab...@otenet.gr 2. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. [6]http://picasaweb.google.com/ibisyn 4. [7]http://picasaweb.google.com/ibisyn -- Mark Day [8]http://neowalla.smugmug.com/ -- References 1. mailto:ibi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:sarab...@otenet.gr 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:sarab...@otenet.gr 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://picasaweb.google.com/ibisyn 7. http://picasaweb.google.com/ibisyn 8. http://neowalla.smugmug.com/
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?
Thank you all for your answers. It seems that most makers don't use pear wood just for aesthetic reasons. I love its colour though and think that I'll go to get a block tomorrow. I'm really curious for the result. Alex To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] What about pear wood?
Hi dear all, after sorting out the disadvantages of mahogany in lute construction, can we discuss about pearwood? It is a wood that I rarely see being used in lutes. The point is that I like it a lot but I'm a bit hesitant to use it. Any opinions? Thanks, Alex To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: colliding strings
It depends. If they always collided, then it's the lute. But the problem definitely is not you. - Original Message - From: Peter Nightingale n...@pobox.com To: lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:27 PM Subject: [LUTE] colliding strings Dear All, The strings of my sixth and seventh courses collide, unless I play them very softly. Am I the problem, or the strings, or the distance between them? Regards, Peter. the next auto-quote is: When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist. (Archbishop Helder Camara) /\/\ Peter Nightingale Telephone (401) 874-5882 Department of Physics, East Hall Fax (401) 874-2380 University of Rhode Island Kingston, RI 02881 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamazov
It's a pitty. Such a good player and he insists on all these funny theatrical expressions and kitchy video clips. - Original Message - From: Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com To: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com; e...@gamutstrings.com; Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:32 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov Great musicians often have an amazing presence on stage, but this can be with minimal gesture. Their very presence takes complete control of the theatrical space. $ However, it could be argued that there are differences in the way certain cultures approach this question. I recently saw the Kronos quartet in combination with the Ensemble Alim Qasimov from Azerbajan. They were dialoguing musically together, and although the Kronos are into such fusion, nevertheless the emotional expressivity of the Azerbajanis made them look a little stilted. The words of Alim Qasimov are clear on that subject: The words of these songs are very simple. We give them feelings, we try to infuse them with excitement and tension. Nevertheless, the emotions on the face of Alim look in no way put-on, They are a necessary part of his performance, which does not feel to be the case with Edin Amira (although, I am quite willing to accept that they mzy well have roots in such a tradition). $ This recording shows the first contacts between Kronos and the Azerbaidjanis: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMpmB4olbAfeature=related One very interesting piece was evoking the neighing of a young horse on instrument and voice. However, in spite of the quality of the performance, the Azerbaijani players in no way compromised themselves in catering for Western tastes. The result is that about a quarter of the French audience walked out noisily during their performance in Paris, showing in my opinion, their complete musical ignorance. I am willing to bet that no such walk out would occur with Edin and Amira, but they do seem to be doing their best to cater... $ On the other hand, I watched an amazing film of Ravi Shankar dialoguing musically with his daughter, extremely moving, but in spite of his almost mystical involvement in his music, there were no unnecessary emotional affects. [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2moqxqIaEfeature=related Regards Anthony Message d'origine De : Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com A : wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Objet : [LUTE] Re: Karamazov Date : 05/12/2010 02:04:33 CET Copie `a : Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net; Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Just my problem. . .. No, a problem for at least me too. The question of how much musical performance is theatre, is always to be considered. I prefer less theatre. Ned On Dec 4, 2010, at 5:16 PM, wikla wrote: On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:23:56 -0500, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmLoX2TTAig His strong movements, his gestures while playing, are quite disturbing to me. Just my problem, I guess and also admit. It would be easier to me to listen to his very musical playing without the video showing his suffering face. I do know that certain amount of theatre of showing that you feel deeply is necessary - it is an important part of the show. But to me - my problem as I wrote - in this performance the amount of deep feeling gestures harmed severely getting the message. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMpmB4olbAfeature=related 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2moqxqIaEfeature=related 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmLoX2TTAig 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Looking for a forgotten name
Hello everybody! I'm looking for a lute maker whose webpage I had stored in my old PC. Now I can't remember his name. The only clues I have: He must be Italian or at least his name seems to be. He is NOT appearing in the lists of makers you find typing lute maker in google. His web page as well as his lutes are of a very high aesthetic. He is using very beautiful textiles as a background for the photos of his instruments. He also has photos of his workshop. Any ideas? Thanks to all. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Looking for a forgotten name
Yes It's Renzo Salvador!!! The winner is... Valery Sauvage! Thanks a lot. A. - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:56 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Looking for a forgotten name My guess: Marcello Armand-Pillon http://www.armandpilon.com David 2010/11/6 Sauvage Valιry sauvag...@orange.fr: Maybe it is Renzo Salvador ? http://www.renzosalvador.be/fr/index.html V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Alexandros Tzimeros Envoyι : samedi 6 novembre 2010 18:48 ΐ : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Looking for a forgotten name Hello everybody! I'm looking for a lute maker whose webpage I had stored in my old PC. Now I can't remember his name. The only clues I have: He must be Italian or at least his name seems to be. He is NOT appearing in the lists of makers you find typing lute maker in google. His web page as well as his lutes are of a very high aesthetic. He is using very beautiful textiles as a background for the photos of his instruments. He also has photos of his workshop. Any ideas? Thanks to all. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[LUTE] Re: look what the cat brought in
It's a quartet actually. I've seen them live. They are called Apocalyptica but they don't play only Metallica... They even play thrash metal, Slayer e.t.c. I can't figure out how on earth not only one but four(!) guys ended up learning how to play the cello, while in fact they loved Metal... -Original Message- From: LGS-Europe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:04 PM To: Rob MacKillop Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: look what the cat brought in Me neither, pity indeed. Might have been fun. Like the Finnish cello octet that plays Metallica. Awsome, as our Americans friends would say. ;-) David - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] look what the cat brought in I couldn't get any of the sound files to work. Pity. Rob 2008/6/5 LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.sabbatum.com/ :-) David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] Bridge wood
Hello! Could anyone tell me what characteristics should the wood for a lute bridge have? (Stiffness, weight e.t.c.) For some reason I particularly like beech wood but I think It is not considered appropriate -but neither unacceptable. Thanks, Alexandros -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Bridge wood
Thanks Tim, I wonder if heavy and dense woods are better than light ones. I would like to experiment with various woods but I don't dare... If a wood proves inappropriate, the idea of changing the bridge itself is pretty frustrating... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:01 PM To: alexandros tzimeros Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Bridge wood Hi Alexandros, You need a wood that is wear-resistant and also fairly fine-grained and dense (to efficiently transmit vibrations from the strings to the soundboard). I would think that beech would actually work well. You could stain it black if the pale color is a problem (just don't stain the underside). I've used kingwood (which is in the rosewood family), pear, and apple with good results. I think boxwood stained black is historically correct. Take a look at the websites of professional lute builders and see what they are using. And especially look at what woods are available where you live. Because I'm in the U.S., I'm now trying to use mainly North American woods, so I don't contribute to the cutting down of tropical rainforests. Tim --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: alexandros tzimeros [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'lute-builder' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Bridge wood Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:20:57 +0200 Hello! Could anyone tell me what characteristics should the wood for a lute bridge have? (Stiffness, weight e.t.c.) For some reason I particularly like beech wood but I think It is not considered appropriate -but neither unacceptable. Thanks, Alexandros -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: More Karamazov yet
Nice playing, hilarious video. -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:06 PM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] More Karamazov yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBr5-m-AkHQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZt5qtX2Gso RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: lute body...
Just use your hand and eyes... -Original Message- From: Duncan Midwinter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] lute body... Is there a method for drawing the teardrop shape of a lute soundboard using circles? I've been messing around in Adobe Illustrator drawing different sized circles and can almost get there -- but not quite. -- Duncan Midwinter midwinterDesign creative website design http://www.midwinterdesign.co.uk -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: More Karamazov
Wow! All this wind is caused by his playing? I most like that point at the end, where he is trying to eat his lute. -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:17 AM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] More Karamazov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VujJPSta_nU RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Lute - Baroque Guitar
But it's difficult (but not impossible if you build a jig for each rib) to build the more complex shapes which are not semi-circular in cross-section and only a few of the historic surviving lutes are like that. -Original Message- I think one can build a lute with no semi-circular cross-section, without having to twist ribs. But why non semi-circular cross-section is that important? Can anyone tell for sure if the lute playing behind the curtain has a s.circular c. section or not? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Posting to the List (not from the rule book)
You forgot to mention twelve more, to discuss about historical light bulb changing, and the possibility to find iconographical evidence. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Posting to the List (not from the rule book)
_ From: David Rastall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:05 PM To: alexandros tzimeros Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Posting to the List (not from the rule book) On Aug 25, 2007, at 5:15 AM, alexandros tzimeros wrote: You forgot to mention twelve more, to discuss about historical light bulb changing, and the possibility to find iconographical evidence. Yes! Absolutely the iconographical evidence cannot be ignored, considering the vast number of daguerrotypes and other photographic images dating from the dawn of the lightbulb, giving us a clear picture of what the world looked like in those days. We know that the world of the early lightbulb was visually a world of monochrome. This is undoubtedly due to the quality of light emitted by historical lightbulbs. It's difficult, in the world of our own modern lightbulbs, to be able to imagine the world of the early bulb. But to think sepia, and not full-color, is the clear message we get from studying the iconography surrounding HIP lightbulb-changing. David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] I absolutely agree David, the world of early bulb was a Sepia world. But I see that you mention lightbulb. I believe the correct is light bulb!!! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] help Sting back to normal
I've been watching this Sting topic since it appeared at the list but I couldn't have opinion because I didn't manage to listen to any sample online. I like Sting's voice in his songs (though not at all a fan ),so I was very curious and could only guess. Until now that I found the proper link. OH GOD! OH GOD! HELP!!!The situation goes far beyond knowledge and study: The guy needs immediate medical care! He must be having serious problems with his throat and ears! He sounds like a badly drawn boy, washing his teeth. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] help Sting back to normal
I mean _singing while washing his teeth... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] testing
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