[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
Dear All, As indicated in the message below, please reply directly to the secretary of the Lute Society since I am not collating the replies but simply passing the information to this list. Best wishes, Hector > On 31 January 2018 at 14:55, Hector Sequera <hectorl...@mac.com > <mailto:hectorl...@mac.com>> wrote: > Good afternoon, > > In reply to the original question, the Lute Society just sent an email to its > membership to assess whether or not there is any interest on this. Your reply > to the message below may determine the fate of this project. If interested > simply reply to the secretary at: lute...@aol.com <mailto:lute...@aol.com> > <mailto:lute...@aol.com <mailto:lute...@aol.com>> > > Here is the original message sent this morning to the LS list: > > âââââââââââââââ > > 1. HERBERT OF CHERBURY LUTE BOOK FACSIMILE â WOULD YOU BUY A COPY? > > We have been talking for some years about producing a facsimile of the > Herbert of Cherbury lute book, the last great English renaissance lute > manuscript, with music from 6 to 10 courses, but there have been delays. > > We donât need prepayments or subscriptions but we need to have some idea of > demand â especially as sales of facsimiles are less than they were, with > some much available online. > > If a facsimile of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book were similar in format to > our beautiful Dd.2.11 facsimile, and similar in price - ââ£50 to members > - WOULD YOU VERY PROBABLY BUY A COPY? PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL TO LET US > KNOW! > > And let us know if this would be too expensive, but you would buy simple, > say, black and white reproduction, for, say £25. > > ââââââââââââââââ > > Best wishes, > > Hector > > > > On 31 Jan 2018, at 13:39, Matteo Turri <matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com > > <mailto:matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > On 28 January 2018 at 12:42, Denys Stephens <[1]denyssteph...@sky.com > > <mailto:denyssteph...@sky.com>> > > wrote: > > > > Dear Matteo, > > > > Thanks for your email! The subject of the planned Cherbury facsimile > > was discussed at the Lute Society committee meeting held last December, > > and there was still strong interest in publishing a hard copy facsimile > > at that time. However, it wasn't known then that the museum would be > > offering a PDF copy of the manuscript, and that may change views within > > the committee about the viability of a hard copy edition. So I'm afraid > > that I can't give you a definitive answer at the moment, but hopefully > > a decision will be made on this later this year. A great deal of work > > has been done by the society on the introductory material for the > > facsimile, and I feel sure that this will be made available by the > > society in some form in the not too distant future. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Denys Stephens > > > > > > From: Matteo Turri [mailto:[2]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com > > <mailto:matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com>] > > Sent: 27 January 2018 13:21 > > To: [3]denyssteph...@sky.com <mailto:denyssteph...@sky.com> > > Subject: Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook (now available as a > > downlload) > > > > > > Dear Denys, > > > > since the Fitzwilliam Museum makes available a download of the > > facsimile of the Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook - for £25.00 you > > get access to "a free download" [sic] - , I was wondering when the > > Lute Society will publish its edition of the manuscript. > > > > Best regards > > > > Matteo Turri > > > > On 31 January 2018 at 11:54, Rainer <[4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de > > <mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>> > > wrote: > > > > I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile > > edition. > > Rainer > > On 31.01.2018 11:19, G. C. wrote: > > > > Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D > > G. > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Rainer > > <[1][5]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de > > <mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>> wrote: > > Have you received a reply? > > Rainer > > On 20.01.2018 10:52, Matteo Turri wrote: > > We are pleased to offer complete digital copies of the > > following > > manuscripts from the Fitzwilliam co
[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
Good afternoon, In reply to the original question, the Lute Society just sent an email to its membership to assess whether or not there is any interest on this. Your reply to the message below may determine the fate of this project. If interested simply reply to the secretary at: lute...@aol.com <mailto:lute...@aol.com> Here is the original message sent this morning to the LS list: âââââââââââââââ 1. HERBERT OF CHERBURY LUTE BOOK FACSIMILE â WOULD YOU BUY A COPY? We have been talking for some years about producing a facsimile of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book, the last great English renaissance lute manuscript, with music from 6 to 10 courses, but there have been delays. We donât need prepayments or subscriptions but we need to have some idea of demand â especially as sales of facsimiles are less than they were, with some much available online. If a facsimile of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book were similar in format to our beautiful Dd.2.11 facsimile, and similar in price - £50 to members - WOULD YOU VERY PROBABLY BUY A COPY? PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL TO LET US KNOW! And let us know if this would be too expensive, but you would buy simple, say, black and white reproduction, for, say £25. ââââââââââââââââ Best wishes, Hector > On 31 Jan 2018, at 13:39, Matteo Turri <matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 28 January 2018 at 12:42, Denys Stephens <[1]denyssteph...@sky.com> > wrote: > > Dear Matteo, > > Thanks for your email! The subject of the planned Cherbury facsimile > was discussed at the Lute Society committee meeting held last December, > and there was still strong interest in publishing a hard copy facsimile > at that time. However, it wasn't known then that the museum would be > offering a PDF copy of the manuscript, and that may change views within > the committee about the viability of a hard copy edition. So I'm afraid > that I can't give you a definitive answer at the moment, but hopefully > a decision will be made on this later this year. A great deal of work > has been done by the society on the introductory material for the > facsimile, and I feel sure that this will be made available by the > society in some form in the not too distant future. > > > Best wishes, > > > Denys Stephens > > > From: Matteo Turri [mailto:[2]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com] > Sent: 27 January 2018 13:21 > To: [3]denyssteph...@sky.com > Subject: Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook (now available as a > downlload) > > > Dear Denys, > > since the Fitzwilliam Museum makes available a download of the > facsimile of the Lord Herbert of Cherbury's Lutebook - for £25.00 you > get access to "a free download" [sic] - , I was wondering when the > Lute Society will publish its edition of the manuscript. > > Best regards > > Matteo Turri > > On 31 January 2018 at 11:54, Rainer <[4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> > wrote: > > I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile > edition. > Rainer > On 31.01.2018 11:19, G. C. wrote: > > Yes, 25 pounds for a "free download" :D > G. > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Rainer > <[1][5]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: > Have you received a reply? > Rainer > On 20.01.2018 10:52, Matteo Turri wrote: > We are pleased to offer complete digital copies of the > following > manuscripts from the Fitzwilliam collection, supplied in > pdf > format > and available via a free download or on CD. > Cost: £25.00 +vat per manuscript (inc. postage where > necessary). > As I understand it, it's either a free download for the > pdf or > £25 for > the CD. > I just sent them an email - we'll see. > Matteo > To get on or off this list see list information at > [2][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- > References > 1. mailto:[7]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de > 2. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:denyssteph...@sky.com > 2. mailto:matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com > 3. mailto:denyssteph...@sky.com > 4. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de > 5. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de > 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 7. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de > 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > Hidden links: > 10. > https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#m_-186476389848586657_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 > --
[LUTE] Re: Django and Windows 10
Many thanks for the replies regarding the use of Django with Windows 10. I think I can upgrade now.. All best wishes, Hector To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Django and Windows 10
Dear collective wisdom, Does the Django lute tab software work on Windows 10? I tried to find some documentation but gave up after a few web searches. This is the only one reason I run a virtual windows machine on my Mac and just heard that I need to upgrade before the end of July… or something like that. Many thanks, Hector To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Verdelot
Dear Benjamin, London Pro Musica has an edition of 22 of the madrigals (the ones intabulated in Venice, 1536). Just search their catalogue for the following: MA3 PHILIPPE VERDELOT, Twenty-two Madrigals, for four voices or instruments. This volume contains all the pieces that appeared arranged for lute in the Intavolatura de li Madrigali di Verdelotto da cantare et sonare nel lauto (Venice, 1536), which is published complete in our RM3. Verdelot was much respected during his lifetime for his ability to express the different moods of his texts, and so it is no surprise to find here an outstanding collection of highly varied pieces. Score only £8.50 RM3 Intavolatura de li Madrigali di Verdelotto (1536) for voice and lute. This important collection contains twenty-two of Verdelot’s most exquisite madrigals arranged fastidiously for voice and lute. It is fact the only surviving publication of its kind, and fills a huge hole in the repertoire for voice and lute. The original four-part versions of these madrigals can be found in our MA3; as the two volumes have been edited in conjunction, it is possible to use the lute part with the ensemble versions. Score only £10.50 All best, Hector On 30 Jun 2015, at 08:20, BENJAMIN NARVEY luthi...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings one, greetings all, I am wondering if there may not perhaps be a good edition of Verdelot madrigals with intabulations for lute? I have just been contacted for a project, but I don't know the lute sources (if any) of this repertoire well at all. Any thoughts? All best wishes, Benjamin -- [1]www.luthiste.com t +33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98 -- References 1. http://www.luthiste.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Susanne ung jour.
Dear All, Unfortunately I have misplaced my copy of the lute accompaniment to the divisions on Susanne ung jour by Dalla Casa Bassano, and I need them for a concert on Thursday. Would one of you be so kind to scan and send me the lute part? I really do not want to have to create them from the vocal parts! Just in case, I am talking about the London Pro Musica versions: GIROLAMO DALLA CASA GIOVANNI BASSANO, Divisions on “Susanne ung jour’’ for soprano instrument and continuo. Lassus’ beautiful chanson is quite simply one of the classics of its time. Bassano’s divisions are particularly elegant and satisfying. This edition includes an alternative lute part, and one copy of REP7a Many thanks! Hector To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Polyphonic Intabulations
A few points about intabulations of sacred music in England. 1) Availability of English music was an issue since England started printing music in the late 1560s (there are very few exceptions to this). And even this was rather minimal (e.g. Thomas Whythourneâs Songs in three, fower and five parts did not come but until 1571, Byrdâs first print came in 1575). Meantime the Continent was going full swing with printers such as Attaignant, Gardano, Scotto, etc churning books non stop (with errors, misattributions and all). Furthermore, the fashion for printing vihuela music in Spain was over by 1576; somebody may be able to share what happened after that. 2) The majority of the music intabulated is for 3 or 4 voices in a narrow range (no more than two octaves plus a sixth). Conversely, William Byrd liked what he called the Great Compass, an arrangement of clefs with G2 on top and F4 at the bottom (unusual for the time), which allowed for a range of three octaves and a bit. The narrower Continental range, also called ânormal clefsâ or âlow clefsâ etc, can be intabulated on a 6-course up to the 8th or 9th fret (6th or 7th fret on a 7-course)⦠a very convenient part of the instrument. 3) Another important consideration is that many continental composers used the lute as their compositional tool (we have clear documentation on Palestrina and Lasso, for instance). I happen to believe that Tallis did use the lute but have not had the time to delve with this in any detail. Conversely, it is very obvious that Byrd composed on the keyboard. 4) Despite all of this, we have about 500 surviving intabulations of music by English and Continental composers in the collection of Edward Paston (1550-1630); from Fayrfax and Josquin all the way to Victoria and Byrd. They all lack the top part but are a good example of the Spanish tradition transplanted to England for domestic use. Best wishes, Hector On 19 Mar 2015, at 04:33, Edward C. Yong edward.y...@gmail.com wrote: Hello folks! Iâve been going through intabulations of sacred polyphony for lute, and after an admittedly brief search, I noticed something curious. The Continentals, particularly the Spanish, seem very interested in intabulations of sacred polyphony, but I havenât found any examples of English/British either doing the intabulations or being intabulated. Iâve been looking at the Fuenllana, Narvaez etc, and I find Josquin, Morales, Gombert, but no Tallis or Byrd. Was English/British music entirely unpopular on the Continent? Curious, Edward C. Yong edward.y...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Verdelot
Many thanks for your swift replies! All best, Hector On 27 Oct 2013, at 23:35, Hector wrote: Dear All, Would you be so kind as to share a scan of Verdelot's Madonna qual certezza? I need a facsimile from the actual 1586 book (for lute and voice). Many thanks, Hector To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Verdelot
Dear All, Would you be so kind as to share a scan of Verdelot's Madonna qual certezza? I need a facsimile from the actual 1586 book (for lute and voice). Many thanks, Hector To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Dowland 450th Anniversary - Last Call!
Dear All, This is a last call for the John Dowland 450th Anniversary Conference. Registration closes on 1 May and you really do not want to miss a second of it! The grand finale includes Paul O'Dette, Nigel North, Elizabeth Kenny and myself playing the seven Lachrimae and other dances with the Rose Consort of Viols. On top of that we have Emma Kirby singing with all of these lutes, bandora, cittern and the U. of Cambridge singers! http://cantastorie05.com/DowlandConference/ Hope to see you there! All the best, Hector To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Dowland 450th Anniversary Conference
Dear All, Just to let you know that registration is now open for the John Dowland 450th Anniversary Conference, Fitzwilliam College Cambridge (4-5 May 2013). There will be 12 paper presentations, 4 concerts, 2 master classes, 1 poster presentation and more. For the schedule of activities and more details on this extraordinary event visit the website at: http://cantastorie05.com/DowlandConference/ Hope to see you there! Hector To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Celebrating Dowland's 450th Anniversary - Cambridge
Dear all, The John Dowland 450th anniversary conference will take place at Fitzwilliam College Cambridge on 4-5 May 2013. This is a unique opportunity to hear and network with the best scholars and performers on the subject. The event includes: Concerts by: Nigel North (lute solo) Emma Kirkby and Jakob Lindberg (Lute song) The Rose Consort of Viols (consort songs and instrumental music) Paul O'Dette (lute solo) Presentations by: Christopher Hogwood/Francis Knights Anthony Rooley Kirsten Smith (New Castle University) Paul O'Dette and more... Master classes by: Nigel North Paul O'Dette For more information visit the website: http://cantastorie05.com/DowlandConference/ We particularly want students to attend/participate so please distribute as appropriate. Best wishes, Hector Sequera University of Birmingham -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Calata de Strombotti
There are Calatas in the Thibault MS (BN, Paris, Rès. Vmd. Ms. 27) and I believe they are mentioned in 15th c. writings (cannot remember where). The calata de strabotti is probably based on a popular melody (a strambotto). Strabotti are very simple and archaic... in a good way. They are full of parallel fifths and other 'archaisms', and some have great melodies. I believe the texts that survive (I think it is 8 lines per strambotto) are just a theme from which many more verses were improvised. They are very much connected to the oral tradition. Best, Hector On 19 Jan 2013, at 22:22, Monica Hall wrote: Yes - there is no Italian repertoire for the renaissance guitar at all really. It would be nice to have one - so keep building. Another interesting thing is that as far as I have been able to discover there are no other calatas except Dalza's in the 16th century - does anyone know of any? - but the calata re-surfaces in some early 17th century Italian guitar books - notably those of Montesardo and Costanzo. Monica - Original Message - From: Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Calata de Strombotti Thanks, Monica. You've saved me search through HMB at any rate. I suspect it's one of the strombotti/ frottole somewhere in the Tromboncino intabulations as are Poi che'l ciel and Poi che volse but he doesn't do us the favor of naming it. It's certainly set up like a frottole w/ its two sections and light approach. While there are just _so_ many it is fun to search through them. Btw, I've been setting some for lute and/or ren. guitar and they can fit very nicely. It's a shame we don't have any extant guitar repertory from the time so I've been trying to build one. Sean On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Monica Hall wrote: Well - Brown doesn't seem to say anything about it but my Harvard Dictionary of Music describes the Strambotto thus- A verse form popular among Italian improvisers in the 15th century and taken over into the repertory of the frottola. It consists of a single stanza of eight hendecasyllabic lines etc.Musical settings often have only two phrases each repeated four times in alternationa separate phrase for the final couplet may be included... Perhaps Dalza's Calata is in the form of a strambotto...The Calata is an early 16th century dance form. Hope that information is of some use. Monica - Original Message - From: Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:13 PM Subject: [LUTE] Calata de Strombotti Dear folks, In Dalza on 44v there's a Calata de strombotti. Could anyone tell me which strombotti this is? I'm afraid I don't have HMBrown's Instrumental Music before 1600 which would probably tell me. My appreciation in advance, Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Statistics..
Happy New Year to all! Anybody with a good background in statistics? I would be most grateful if you could contact me off list to clarify a few terms/ideas. You may even enjoy it as it relates to lutes! All the best, Hector To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Theorbo Strings...
Dear all, A quick question. Any experience with the New Nylgut NNG and NGE as basses on a 85cm theorbo? I'm just thinking of stinging the short neck all with Nylgut. Currently I have Nylgut in the a-e-b-g and d (from the top), and I just wonder if the NGE will work for the A and G as well. Otherwise I'll get the Type D string, or something else. Arto's calculator suggests a 104 for the A and a 116 for the G (3.5kg). Many thanks in advance, Hector To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute songs for bass voice?
TEST.. On Jan 24, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Franz Mechsner wrote: Dear Lutenists, I would love to sing some of the beautiful Renaissance lute (or vihuela) songs by myself (in private of course...), but cannot find any for bass voice. Is it that songs were exclusively or mainly composed for higher pitches of voice? If it was for an ideal of beauty - weren't there male amateurs who liked to sing as well (as good as they could) in these times? Could you point me to some suitable sources? Best regards Franz -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute songs for bass voice?
Dear Franz, There are many songs in the alto range that should fit you comfortably. The 'problem' is that you will be singing at a transposed range (down an octave) thus not matching the lute in the 'usual' way. I really don't mind that, although some people do care. You can also take songs in the soprano range and transpose them down a 4th or 5th and play them with a big lute in E or D (a classical guitar will do the trick for six course music). The 'singing' line for many of the vihuela songs is the tenor line, you could take those songs and transpose them down a 4th or 5th, play them with a big lute and voila! Quick vihuela examples: Milan: Con pavor recordó el moro Narvaez: Y la mi cinta dorada Valderrábano: Fuga a tres, primero grado (for solmisation, bass line) There is also Valderrábano's 'Segundo Libro de motetes y otras cosas para cantar y tañer contrabaxo y en otras partes tenor' [Second book of motets and other things to sing and play the bass and in other instances the tenor]. Hope this helps, Hector On Jan 24, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Franz Mechsner wrote: Dear Lutenists, I would love to sing some of the beautiful Renaissance lute (or vihuela) songs by myself (in private of course...), but cannot find any for bass voice. Is it that songs were exclusively or mainly composed for higher pitches of voice? If it was for an ideal of beauty - weren't there male amateurs who liked to sing as well (as good as they could) in these times? Could you point me to some suitable sources? Best regards Franz -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
