[LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…) and now what?

2013-12-16 Thread Sean Smith
   Whoa, Parallel universe!

   It got me wondering at the time what the magic rule was for where the
   third should be. Later, when I got an actual renaissance guitar and saw
   the "x begets y begets z" timeline it made sense what happened.

   Sean

   On Dec 16, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Tobiah wrote:

   That book and others put me off of the Renaissance because I found that
   most of the pieces, though simple enough looking, were full
   of awkward fingerings that took more effort to master then
   was worth the underlying music.  Later, perusing Ness' Frank book,
   and working out the tuning, I found that I could go back to
   the Noad with the 3rd down a half-step and have a much better time
   of it.

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[LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…) and now what?

2013-12-16 Thread Sean Smith


What? No love for Frederick Noad's, The Renaissance Guitar? That's  
where I found my first breath of fresh airs. Guess I'm a dated 70's  
man. "Ain't got time for disco, babe, gotta make Holborne fit on my  
geetar." Then I saw Roger Harmon play his Zanetti at the local 17th  
century music hall and I knew where all this was going.


But 8-track, Dan! For me real historical lute music has four  
monsterous KA-CHOCKS in the program. Records, sheesh.


Sean



On Dec 16, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Dan Winheld wrote:

Well, the "SIx Lute Pieces..." got me- a young classical guitar  
student- somewhat interested in lute music, but it was Karl Scheidt's  
guitar arrangements of some of Dowland's lute solos and songs; at  
about the same time I first heard Julian Bream, that got me interested  
in the LUTE. That was when my poor guitar teacher- Peter C. Colonna of  
South Philadelphia- finally threw up his hands in despair and declared  
"I've lost him- nothing but 99 string monsters & obscurity in his  
future!"


In my case, guess he was right. As I mentioned to one friend on this  
list, I dodged a bullet vis-a-vis Segovia and bullying. When I  
attended the master class at the Accademia Chigiana in Siena all those  
years ago Segovia had pulled out and Alirio Diaz ran the class  
instead- a fine, sympathetic teacher (and killer virtuosos player) who  
helped each different student reach his or her own goals in his or her  
own best way rather than just manufacture clones in his image. I was  
already "intabulating" (I didn't even know the term!) my own  
performing versions of Morley's madrigals- Diaz was totally supportive.


I remember that old Vandervogle Giraffenlaute cover on the old  
Respighi album cover. (They were still turning up at Amoeba Music a  
few years ago) That also made me want a lute- but not THAT lute!

Dan


On 12/16/2013 7:51 AM, William Samson wrote:

   A recent programme blurb for a Nigel North concert says that he was
   first inspired by Hank B. Marvin of The Shadows (Cliff Richard's
   backing group).
   Being a little older, it was Elvis who first got me thinking I  
should

   have a guitar.
   Bill
   From: Christopher Wilke 
   To: "r.turov...@gmail.com" ; Mark Delpriora
   
   Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" 
   Sent: Monday, 16 December 2013, 14:11
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream  
Collectiona|)
   Actually, Paul told me that his idol as a young player was Eric  
Clapton
   and he was thrilled to have finally met him at the Grammys a few  
years
   ago. Maybe Paul was also inspired by Segovia, but I don't recall  
him

   ever mentioning him.
   Chris
   Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
   Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
   www.christopherwilke.com
   
   On Mon, 12/16/13, Mark Delpriora <[1]terli...@aol.com> wrote:
   Subject: [LUTE]  Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collectiona|)
   To: "[2]r.turov...@gmail.com" <[3]r.turov...@gmail.com>
   Cc: "[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Date: Monday, December 16, 2013, 6:24 AM
   No , but Paul Odette was.
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:01 AM, [6]r.turov...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   > So, Respighi was exposed to Chilesotti through
   Segovia's efforts?
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:20 PM, [7]terli...@aol.com
   wrote:
   >
   >>
   >> As far as his influence on the lute: I heard Paul
   O'dette say that it was the "Six Lute Pieces from the
   Renaissance" based on Chilesotti (and made famous by
   Segovia) that inspired O'dette to seek out a lute. He was
   studying them on the guitar and he took the title of the
   piece seriously enough to find a lute.
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