[LUTE] Lute Songs
The Wind [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W4T-rpPFWQ=share âThe Days Have no Namesâ [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ipaDkKL1c=share With kind regards, Met vriendelijke groeten, Bien cordialement, Gilbert Isbin [3]www.gilbertisbin.com [4]gilbert.is...@gmail.com -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W4T-rpPFWQ=share 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ipaDkKL1c=share 3. http://www.gilbertisbin.com/ 4. mailto:gilbert.is...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute Songs on the Web
Greetings Lutenists, I am reading through some songs with a soprano this week. I must have a roomful of printed books of music, greatest hits of the era, Dowland, Campion, Ford, most of the Stainer and Bell editions. Is there a place on the internet where these are perhaps already living to save me the scanning and printing for my performance binder? It doesn't have to be the editions I have.A Thanks for any advice. CharlesA -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] lute songs for bass voice?
Dear Lutenists, I would love to sing some of the beautiful Renaissance lute (or vihuela) songs by myself (in private of course...), but cannot find any for bass voice. Is it that songs were exclusively or mainly composed for higher pitches of voice? If it was for an ideal of beauty - weren't there male amateurs who liked to sing as well (as good as they could) in these times? Could you point me to some suitable sources? Best regards Franz -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute songs for bass voice?
Dear Franz, You could make a start with Fuenllana. Some of his songs have the bottom line sung by the soloist. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Franz Mechsner Sent: 24 January 2011 08:45 To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] lute songs for bass voice? Dear Lutenists, I would love to sing some of the beautiful Renaissance lute (or vihuela) songs by myself (in private of course...), but cannot find any for bass voice. Is it that songs were exclusively or mainly composed for higher pitches of voice? If it was for an ideal of beauty - weren't there male amateurs who liked to sing as well (as good as they could) in these times? Could you point me to some suitable sources? Best regards Franz -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute songs for bass voice?
Dear Franz, You have touched on a fundamental problem with renaissance music. So much of it was conceived in terms of polyphony, so singing soprano and alto lines down an octave rarely works well. The frottole collected by Bossinensis and published by Petrucci in 1509 and 1511, for example, are a dead loss when sung down an octave. It's OK to use instruments instead of singers, so a soprano accompanied by a lute and/or a few viols playing the lowest voices will work well. Unfortunately, transposing the cantus down an octave is unsatisfactory, since it obscures the polyphony. That is presumably why Fuenllana did what he did. Rather than transpose the top line down an octave, he gave one of the lines to a singer to sing at the correct pitch, including some songs where the soloist sang the bass line. I think that is the way for a solo bass singer to proceed with polyphonic music. A hundred years later, songs were conceived more as solo songs, and I have in mind English lute songs from 1597 onwards. Although many of them were published so that they could be sung as part-songs with four voices, they are essentially solo songs. We know from Robert Dowland's _Musical Banquet_ (London, 1610), that the songs in that collection were to be sung down an octave by a man, not at the written pitch. Doing that generally works well with other English lute songs too, but that isn't going to help you find repertoire as a bass singer. There is much you can do if you find a friendly soprano, including singing duets such as Dowland's Flow my teares or the dialogue Humor say, but that doesn't answer your question about solo songs for a bass singer. I hope there will be some more specific suggestions forthcoming from Lutenetters to add to Fuenllana's songs. Best wishes, Stewart. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Hector Sent: 24 January 2011 09:55 To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute songs for bass voice? Dear Franz, There are many songs in the alto range that should fit you comfortably. The 'problem' is that you will be singing at a transposed range (down an octave) thus not matching the lute in the 'usual' way. I really don't mind that, although some people do care. You can also take songs in the soprano range and transpose them down a 4th or 5th and play them with a big lute in E or D (a classical guitar will do the trick for six course music). The 'singing' line for many of the vihuela songs is the tenor line, you could take those songs and transpose them down a 4th or 5th, play them with a big lute and voila! Quick vihuela examples: Milan: Con pavor recordó el moro Narvaez: Y la mi cinta dorada Valderrábano: Fuga a tres, primero grado (for solmisation, bass line) There is also Valderrábano's 'Segundo Libro de motetes y otras cosas para cantar y tañer contrabaxo y en otras partes tenor' [Second book of motets and other things to sing and play the bass and in other instances the tenor]. Hope this helps, Hector On Jan 24, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Franz Mechsner wrote: Dear Lutenists, I would love to sing some of the beautiful Renaissance lute (or vihuela) songs by myself (in private of course...), but cannot find any for bass voice. Is it that songs were exclusively or mainly composed for higher pitches of voice? If it was for an ideal of beauty - weren't there male amateurs who liked to sing as well (as good as they could) in these times? Could you point me to some suitable sources? Best regards Franz -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute Songs
I've been listening to Alfonso Marin's and Valeria Mignaco CD Clear or Cloudy. A true pleasure. Their performances are convincing beyond question of the greatness of Dowland's and his contemporary's lute songs. A perfect marriage of voice and instrument. Thank you Alfonso and Valeria. Ned -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute songs or pieces for wedding occasion
Dear Grzegorz, John Dowland's Welcome, black night is epithalamic. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Grzegorz Joachimiak Sent: 17 June 2009 09:34 To: Mathias Rösel Cc: lute List Subject: [LUTE] Odp: Re: lute songs or pieces for wedding occasion Why not, I forgot it. Thanks:) Do you associate more pieces like Dowlands Come again? Grzegorz Dnia 17-06-2009 o godz. 10:15 Mathias Rösel napisał(a): How about e. g. Come Again? Mat Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl schrieb: Dear friends, do you know any songs for lute with soprano or only lute pieces, wrotes for the wedding special occasion? Grzegorz To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Lato 2009 nadchodzi. Wybierz swoje wymarzone wakacje. Sprawdź oferty: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fwakacje2009.h tmlsid=765
[LUTE] lute songs or pieces for wedding occasion
Dear friends, do you know any songs for lute with soprano or only lute pieces, wrotes for the wedding special occasion? Grzegorz Heineken Open'er Festival 2009. 2-5.07.2009 Gdynia. Poznaj wszystkie gwiazdy: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fopener.wp.plsid=759 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] lute songs by counter-tenors
Martin Shepherd brought up the subject a while ago, with the thought-provoking comments by David Hill. Here's an eyes (ear?) wittness report by someone who should know what lute songs are all about: ... Song was sung by an excellent counter-tenor voice, with rare varietie of division. (Thomas Campion, A Relation of the Late Royall Entertainment .. at Cawsome-House, London, 1613) David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] lute songs
Dear All, I just realized that forwarding something to the list runs foul of the attachments forbidden rule, so here is the whole thing - apologies for any duplication: I'm forwarding this reply to my note from David Hill, sometime countertenor and fellow alumnus of the Deller Academy and Bob Spencer (see below for David's comments, which you should read first if you want to make sense of any of this). I was unaware of the Wigthorp concordance, and also forgot to mention some wrong notes which really jarred with one who has been familiar with Dowland's original since the year dot As for consort songs being for treble voices, I'm afraid this once again raises the ugly head of the pitch monster. I have some reasons to believe that Dowland would have expected to hear his songs about a tone or perhaps even a minor third below modern pitch - if so, then treble often tails off into alto without too much difficulty. I'm not saying there was a standard pitch in Dowland's time, but at the same time we should resist the temptation to project our assumptions about pitch onto their music. The problem with the modern countertenor singing lute songs is partly to do with pitch and partly to do with voice production/timbre. As far as pitch is concerned, many songs are sufficiently low that a modern countertenor can manage them (at the top of their range) without transposition - but then we have problems which relate to any voice being at the top of its range, in a music which values speech-like intelligibility. The voice production/timbre issue is perhaps less serious, but the head voice of the modern c/t is not always conducive to the kind of speech-like expression which seems to be required for the effective delivery of the poems. Just a thought about pitch - we tend to think in terms of a'=440, and therefore in terms of most lute songs being for tenor or soprano - but if we allow a substantially lower pitch, these songs could be sung by almost anybody, whether they were (by modern classification) a baritone or a tenor, a mezzo or a soprano. Surely that fits very well with Dowland's publication strategy and also with the realities of music making in his time, where no-one got out a tuning fork at the beginning of a rehearsal. Best to All, Martin Subject: Re: Down, down, down I fall From: David Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:19:40 +0100 To: Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Martin (please pass parts of this on to all and sundry if you wish!), I don't have the new Scholl disc, but I do know that 'Sorrow Come' is a 'sacred' contrafactum of 'Sorrow, Stay' by one William Wigthorp, titled 'Dowlands Sorrow 5'. It's in the British Library Add. Mss17,786-17791. It's also in Musica Britannica vol. 32. The underlay (in the music) on 'wretched' is exactly as sung by the wretched Herr Scholl, I'm afraid, but I agree that he really should know how to pronounce 'fall' and other words properly. Scholl's recording of A Musical Banquet, with the 'extraordinary' Edin Karamazov features some truly cringeworthy wrong notes, leading me to ask the same question - why did no-one at the sessions correct him? I love Scholl in later music such as Handel, but this sort of thing is just wrong. We all know that consort songs are for treble voices. This song appears (in this Wigthorp consort song version) on the Consort of Musick's Complete Dowland box on CD 7, track 1, sung (in English) by the divine Miss Kirkby. All of the copious and VERY useful information that came with the original LP issues of these recordings, however, was omitted from the 1997 CD re-issue. By the way - it would be most enterprising for the Lute Soc to scan in all of this insert and cover text from the COM Dowland LP covers, to make available to members, since almost everyone in the lute world will have this CD box on their shelves for reference (whether they like it or not, of course), but not all will still have the LPs! Chris should have all these LPs as part of the Lute soc library collection, because I gave the whole set of mine to Bob Spencer in 1992 for his reference, and I believe that Jilly later passed them on to the Soc. As you know, I've seriously turned against my own former species, and I now find it very difficult to tolerate countertenors singing lute songs at all. There are too many things wrong with it, not least of which is the necessary transpositions, which really make most lutenists have to work hard, and as you say, it's difficult enough to do it anyway, without hurdles. I really don't think that Countertenors/falsettists EVER sang such songs before the early 50s, or even that they existed AT ALL outside of chapels. Even alto parts to madrigals are no fun for falsettists - the range is all wrong, necessitating 'gear-shifts' into chest register, then back again,
[LUTE] Lute songs
Dear Roland, Do you mean What is a day, which is no. 18 in Philip Rosseter's lute song collection, _A Booke of Ayres_ (London, 1601)? Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: Roland Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 May 2008 04:26 To: LGS-Europe; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute songs Speaking of lute songs, does anyone know where to find a renaissance version of What if a day with tab accompaniment? The director for a program I'm accompanying only has a version from the Reliquary of English song circa 1910 w/piano in e minor (!!). Thanks for any help. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute songs
I'd like to ask everybody about the role of the lute when playing with a singer. Which are the aspects we should focus when doing the acompanniment? As the lute is a very soft instrument with little or no dynamics at all, certainly there must be other issues to focus on. I imagine that a good point is to give attention to the articulation in order to make the lute speak instead of sing the lines (the short sustain doesn't allow much singing anyway...). Appreciate coments! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] lute songs about food and drink
For an upcoming proramme with a singer I am looking for lute songs, continuo songs and guitar songs about food and drink. I don't mind arranging. Period doesn't really matter. All I can come up with so far are some airs de cour (Qui veut chasser une migraine and the unavoidable Tourdion - Quand je bois du vin claret). Any language will do. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute songs about food and drink
Dear David, How about that old Christmas favourite, The Boar's Head? Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. PS Sorry that you will receive this message twice. I forgot to send it via the Lute Net first time round. - Original Message - From: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: [LUTE] lute songs about food and drink For an upcoming proramme with a singer I am looking for lute songs, continuo songs and guitar songs about food and drink. I don't mind arranging. Period doesn't really matter. All I can come up with so far are some airs de cour (Qui veut chasser une migraine and the unavoidable Tourdion - Quand je bois du vin claret). Any language will do. David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute songs about food and drink
Dear Ed, Watkin's Ale isn't about food. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. PS Sorry that you will receive this message twice. I forgot to send it via the Lute Net first time round. - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute songs about food and drink Watkins Ale Martin Said to his man To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute Songs Question
Are the lute songs of Thomas Campion still available in print? What about commercial editions of other lute song composers besides the big D? David Rastall To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
