subject:"\[LUTE\] Re\: Ballard 1623 \?"

[LUTE] Re: Ballard 1623 ?

2017-03-16 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier

Sure, Ron, I was well aware of that, have been for ages, but even the title 
page would be nice to see !

Best,

Jean-Marie


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>   Just to clarify exactly what was lost when, from every indication, only
>   the title page to the 1623 Ballard book was sold at auction in 1975.
>   The tablatures most likely went missing long before either as a result
>   of some heinous act of utility (firestarter, perhaps?), or because you
>   just can't play the music on a keyboard without a bit of study.
>
>   RA
> __
>
>   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
>   of Thomas Walker <twlute...@hotmail.com>
>   Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:54 PM
>   To: 'Lute List'
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ballard 1623 ?
>
>  Thanks for the question and answer, gents, although I don't like the
>  answer.  I had thought that Ballard's 1623 was lost, but I didn't
>  realize it was so painfully recent.  So close, yet so far.  Another
>  thing for me to wake up nights wondering about...that and
>  Kapsperger's Libro secundo d'intavolatura di lauto (1619).
>  cheers,
>  tom
>__
>  From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
>   behalf
>  of Jean-Marie Poirier <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>
>  Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:54 AM
>  To: jo.lued...@t-online.de; 'Lute List'
>  Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ballard 1623 ?
>  Thank you Joachim ! It seems it's definitely a closed door then :-(
>   !
>  Al the best,
>  Jean-Marie
>  --
>  >Dear Jean-Marie:
>  >
>  >"BALLARD, Pierre (ed.). Tablature de Luth de differents auteurs sur
>  l'accord ordinaire et extraordinaire recueillie par P. Ballard,
>   Paris:
>  P. Ballard, 1623 (the title page alone was part of the collection of
>  March Pincherle, when this was auctioned in Paris [HÃ´tel Drouot], 3
>   to
>  5 March 1975 â€“ its present whereabouts are unknown)."
>  >
>  >(From the source list of F.-P. Goy's thesis on the manuscript
>   sources
>  of music in Accords Nouveaux. This can be found in Andreas
>   Schlegel's
>  website accordsnouveaux.ch.)
>  >
>  >Best wishes,
>  >
>  >Joachim
>  >
>  >
>  >-Original-Nachricht-
>  >Betreff: [LUTE] Ballard 1623 ?
>  >Datum: 2017-03-15T10:03:06+0100
>  >Von: "Jean-Marie Poirier" <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>
>  >An: "'Lute List'" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>  >
>  >Dear all,
>  >
>  >There are dozens of references circulating to Ballard's 1623
>  "Tablature de luth de differents auteurs sur l'accord ordinaire et
>  extraordinaire", declared "Lost"
>  >except its title page... I could not find a single reference giving
>  the whereabouts of this mysterious title-page.
>  >
>  >Would anyone on this list know where precisely this precious
>   document
>  is preserved ?
>  >
>  >Thank you for your feedback anyway !
>  >
>  >Best wishes to all,
>  >
>  >Jean-Marie Poirier
>  >
>  >
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[LUTE] Re: Ballard 1623 ?

2017-03-16 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier

Thanks Andreas, not a great solace anyway ;-) !

Best,

Jean-Marie



--
 
>Something taken from the book "The Lute in Europe 2":
>There is a total of 1,923 pieces in Accords nouveaux so far known in 42 
>manuscripts and 7 publications. Concerning the loss of sources suffice it here 
>to note, that following Mersenne, the printer Ballard published a collection 
>every year. From the 1623 edition only the title page is known, and only a 
>single copy survives of the 1631 and 1638 publications.
>Laurent Guillo: Pierre I Ballard et Robert III Ballard. Imprimeurs du roy pour 
>la musique (1599-1673), 2 Vols., Sprimont 2003. Here: Vol. II, p. 194 
>under 1623-J, pp. 256f. under 1631-D, and pp. 318f. under 1638-F. 
>
> 
>Am 16.03.2017 um 16:54 schrieb Thomas Walker <twlute...@hotmail.com>:
>
>>   Thanks for the question and answer, gents, although I don't like the
>>   answer.  I had thought that Ballard's 1623 was lost, but I didn't
>>   realize it was so painfully recent.  So close, yet so far.  Another
>>   thing for me to wake up nights wondering about...that and
>>   Kapsperger's Libro secundo d'intavolatura di lauto (1619).
>>   cheers,
>>   tom
>> __
>> 
>>   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
>>   of Jean-Marie Poirier <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>
>>   Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:54 AM
>>   To: jo.lued...@t-online.de; 'Lute List'
>>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ballard 1623 ?
>> 
>>   Thank you Joachim ! It seems it's definitely a closed door then :-( !
>>   Al the best,
>>   Jean-Marie
>>   --
>> 
>>> Dear Jean-Marie:
>>> 
>>> "BALLARD, Pierre (ed.). Tablature de Luth de differents auteurs sur
>>   l'accord ordinaire et extraordinaire recueillie par P. Ballard, Paris:
>>   P. Ballard, 1623 (the title page alone was part of the collection of
>>   March Pincherle, when this was auctioned in Paris [HÃ´tel Drouot], 3 to
>>   5 March 1975 â€“ its present whereabouts are unknown)."
>>> 
>>> (From the source list of F.-P. Goy's thesis on the manuscript sources
>>   of music in Accords Nouveaux. This can be found in Andreas Schlegel's
>>   website accordsnouveaux.ch.)
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Joachim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original-Nachricht-
>>> Betreff: [LUTE] Ballard 1623 ?
>>> Datum: 2017-03-15T10:03:06+0100
>>> Von: "Jean-Marie Poirier" <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>
>>> An: "'Lute List'" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> There are dozens of references circulating to Ballard's 1623
>>   "Tablature de luth de differents auteurs sur l'accord ordinaire et
>>   extraordinaire", declared "Lost"
>>> except its title page... I could not find a single reference giving
>>   the whereabouts of this mysterious title-page.
>>> 
>>> Would anyone on this list know where precisely this precious document
>>   is preserved ?
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your feedback anyway !
>>> 
>>> Best wishes to all,
>>> 
>>> Jean-Marie Poirier
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>>> [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>   [2]Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list
>>   www.cs.dartmouth.edu
>>   Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list. getting
>>   on and off the list; How do I get on the lute mail list? How do I get
>>   off the lute mail list?
>>> ï»¿
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>   1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>   2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
>
>Andreas Schlegel
>Eckstr. 6
>CH-5737 Menziken
>+41 (0)62 771 47 07
>lute.cor...@sunrise.ch
>
>
>--

[LUTE] Re: Ballard 1623 ?

2017-03-16 Thread Andreas Schlegel

Something taken from the book "The Lute in Europe 2":
There is a total of 1,923 pieces in Accords nouveaux so far known in 42 
manuscripts and 7 publications. Concerning the loss of sources suffice it here 
to note, that following Mersenne, the printer Ballard published a collection 
every year. From the 1623 edition only the title page is known, and only a 
single copy survives of the 1631 and 1638 publications.
Laurent Guillo: Pierre I Ballard et Robert III Ballard. Imprimeurs du roy pour 
la musique (1599-1673), 2 Vols., Sprimont 2003. Here: Vol. II, p. 194 under 
1623-J, pp. 256f. under 1631-D, and pp. 318f. under 1638-F. 

 
Am 16.03.2017 um 16:54 schrieb Thomas Walker <twlute...@hotmail.com>:

>   Thanks for the question and answer, gents, although I don't like the
>   answer.  I had thought that Ballard's 1623 was lost, but I didn't
>   realize it was so painfully recent.  So close, yet so far.  Another
>   thing for me to wake up nights wondering about...that and
>   Kapsperger's Libro secundo d'intavolatura di lauto (1619).
>   cheers,
>   tom
> __
> 
>   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
>   of Jean-Marie Poirier <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:54 AM
>   To: jo.lued...@t-online.de; 'Lute List'
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ballard 1623 ?
> 
>   Thank you Joachim ! It seems it's definitely a closed door then :-( !
>   Al the best,
>   Jean-Marie
>   --
> 
>> Dear Jean-Marie:
>> 
>> "BALLARD, Pierre (ed.). Tablature de Luth de differents auteurs sur
>   l'accord ordinaire et extraordinaire recueillie par P. Ballard, Paris:
>   P. Ballard, 1623 (the title page alone was part of the collection of
>   March Pincherle, when this was auctioned in Paris [HÃ´tel Drouot], 3 to
>   5 March 1975 â its present whereabouts are unknown)."
>> 
>> (From the source list of F.-P. Goy's thesis on the manuscript sources
>   of music in Accords Nouveaux. This can be found in Andreas Schlegel's
>   website accordsnouveaux.ch.)
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Joachim
>> 
>> 
>> -Original-Nachricht-
>> Betreff: [LUTE] Ballard 1623 ?
>> Datum: 2017-03-15T10:03:06+0100
>> Von: "Jean-Marie Poirier" <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>
>> An: "'Lute List'" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> There are dozens of references circulating to Ballard's 1623
>   "Tablature de luth de differents auteurs sur l'accord ordinaire et
>   extraordinaire", declared "Lost"
>> except its title page... I could not find a single reference giving
>   the whereabouts of this mysterious title-page.
>> 
>> Would anyone on this list know where precisely this precious document
>   is preserved ?
>> 
>> Thank you for your feedback anyway !
>> 
>> Best wishes to all,
>> 
>> Jean-Marie Poirier
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>   [2]Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list
>   www.cs.dartmouth.edu
>   Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list. getting
>   on and off the list; How do I get on the lute mail list? How do I get
>   off the lute mail list?
>> ï»¿
>> 
>> 
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>   2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 

Andreas Schlegel
Eckstr. 6
CH-5737 Menziken
+41 (0)62 771 47 07
lute.cor...@sunrise.ch


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[LUTE] Re: Ballard 1623 ?

2017-03-15 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier

Thank you Joachim ! It seems it's definitely a closed door then :-( !

Al the best,

Jean-Marie

--
 
>Dear Jean-Marie:
>
>"BALLARD, Pierre (ed.). Tablature de Luth de differents auteurs sur l’accord 
>ordinaire et extraordinaire recueillie par P. Ballard, Paris: P. Ballard, 1623 
>(the title page alone was part of the collection of March Pincherle, when this 
>was auctioned in Paris [Hôtel Drouot], 3 to 5 March 1975 – its present 
>whereabouts are unknown)."
>
>(From the source list of F.-P. Goy's thesis on the manuscript sources of music 
>in Accords Nouveaux. This can be found in Andreas Schlegel's website 
>accordsnouveaux.ch.)
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Joachim
>
>
>-Original-Nachricht-
>Betreff: [LUTE] Ballard 1623 ?
>Datum: 2017-03-15T10:03:06+0100
>Von: "Jean-Marie Poirier" 
>An: "'Lute List'" 
>
>Dear all,
>
>There are dozens of references circulating to Ballard's 1623 "Tablature de 
>luth de differents auteurs sur l'accord ordinaire et extraordinaire", declared 
>"Lost"
>except its title page... I could not find a single reference giving the 
>whereabouts of this mysterious title-page.
>
>Would anyone on this list know where precisely this precious document is 
>preserved ?
>
>Thank you for your feedback anyway !
>
>Best wishes to all,
>
>Jean-Marie Poirier
>
>
>
>To get on or off this list see list information at
>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
>

[LUTE] Re: Ballard 1623 ?

2017-03-15 Thread jo.lued...@t-online.de

Dear Jean-Marie:

"BALLARD, Pierre (ed.). Tablature de Luth de differents auteurs sur l’accord 
ordinaire et extraordinaire recueillie par P. Ballard, Paris: P. Ballard, 1623 
(the title page alone was part of the collection of March Pincherle, when this 
was auctioned in Paris [Hôtel Drouot], 3 to 5 March 1975 – its present 
whereabouts are unknown)."

(From the source list of F.-P. Goy's thesis on the manuscript sources of music 
in Accords Nouveaux. This can be found in Andreas Schlegel's website 
accordsnouveaux.ch.)

Best wishes,

Joachim


-Original-Nachricht-
Betreff: [LUTE] Ballard 1623 ?
Datum: 2017-03-15T10:03:06+0100
Von: "Jean-Marie Poirier" 
An: "'Lute List'" 

Dear all,

There are dozens of references circulating to Ballard's 1623 "Tablature de luth 
de differents auteurs sur l'accord ordinaire et extraordinaire", declared "Lost"
except its title page... I could not find a single reference giving the 
whereabouts of this mysterious title-page.

Would anyone on this list know where precisely this precious document is 
preserved ?

Thank you for your feedback anyway !

Best wishes to all,

Jean-Marie Poirier



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