[LUTE] Re: Foliation in van Eyck's books - somewhat off topic
I have both the Van Eyck facsimile (Saul Groen) and Van Baak Griffioen
in front of me. Van Baak Griffioen does not use recto and verso, but a
and b, a being the left side of the open pages, b the right side. But
you figured that out already. There are academic wars raging on the
pros and cons of either system.
David
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 at 15:05, Rainer <[3]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
wrote:
Dear lute netters,
probably only interesting for hard-core concordance/cognate
collectors.
I have several digital hard copies of van Eyck prints.
The strange thing is that the folio numbers in van Baak Griffioen's
book always differ by 1 page ("half" a folio) from the facsimiles.
I have no explanation for this.
Any idea anybody?
Rainer
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[LUTE] Re: Foliation in van Eyck's books - somewhat off topic
On 22.04.2018 16:05, David van Ooijen wrote: I have both the Van Eyck facsimile (Saul Groen) and Van Baak Griffioen in front of me. Van Baak Griffioen does not use recto and verso, but a and b, a being the left side of the open pages, b the right side. But you figured that out already. No I haven't. This "system" is so idiotic - I can't believe it. There are academic wars raging on the pros and cons of either system. I have never before seen this a/b "system". Thanks a lot, Rainer PS Now I am considering to use octal page numbers in my Vallet edition - for odd page numbers. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Foliation in van Eyck's books - somewhat off topic
Apparently it's quite a discussion, mainly to do with mss that are written in scripts that don't read from left to right. I'm sure Arthur Ness has more to say on this. David On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 at 17:24, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: On 22.04.2018 16:05, David van Ooijen wrote: > I have both the Van Eyck facsimile (Saul Groen) and Van Baak Griffioen > in front of me. Van Baak Griffioen does not use recto and verso, but a > and b, a being the left side of the open pages, b the right side. But > you figured that out already. No I haven't. This "system" is so idiotic - I can't believe it. > There are academic wars raging on the > pros and cons of either system. I have never before seen this a/b "system". Thanks a lot, Rainer PS Now I am considering to use octal page numbers in my Vallet edition - for odd page numbers. To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Foliation in van Eyck's books - somewhat off topic
Addendum:
John Robinson (who didn't know this, either) thinks (as I did) "a" means recto and
"b" means verso.
Hence the folio numbers for pieces by van Eyck in the LS supplements are
incorrect.
Rainer
On 22.04.2018 16:05, David van Ooijen wrote:
I have both the Van Eyck facsimile (Saul Groen) and Van Baak Griffioen
in front of me. Van Baak Griffioen does not use recto and verso, but a
and b, a being the left side of the open pages, b the right side. But
you figured that out already. There are academic wars raging on the
pros and cons of either system.
David
***
David van Ooijen
[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
[2]www.davidvanooijen.nl
***
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 at 15:05, Rainer <[3]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
wrote:
Dear lute netters,
probably only interesting for hard-core concordance/cognate
collectors.
I have several digital hard copies of van Eyck prints.
The strange thing is that the folio numbers in van Baak Griffioen's
book always differ by 1 page ("half" a folio) from the facsimiles.
I have no explanation for this.
Any idea anybody?
Rainer
To get on or off this list see list information at
[4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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References
1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
3. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Foliation in van Eyck's books - somewhat off topic
What I understood from the discussion is that recto and verso can be ambiguous, as in scripts that read right to left the order is reversed and scrolls open up yet another can of worms. So some scholars opt for a and b instead. The use of a and b in Van Baak Grifiioen is clear when you open a page in the facsimile: left is a, right is b. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 at 17:31, David van Ooijen <[3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Apparently it's quite a discussion, mainly to do with mss that are written in scripts that don't read from left to right. I'm sure Arthur Ness has more to say on this. David On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 at 17:24, Rainer <[1][4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: On 22.04.2018 16:05, David van Ooijen wrote: > I have both the Van Eyck facsimile (Saul Groen) and Van Baak Griffioen > in front of me. Van Baak Griffioen does not use recto and verso, but a > and b, a being the left side of the open pages, b the right side. But > you figured that out already. No I haven't. This "system" is so idiotic - I can't believe it. > There are academic wars raging on the > pros and cons of either system. I have never before seen this a/b "system". Thanks a lot, Rainer PS Now I am considering to use octal page numbers in my Vallet edition - for odd page numbers. To get on or off this list see list information at [2][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4][7]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:[8]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:[10]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. [11]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 7. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 8. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 11. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Foliation in van Eyck's books - somewhat off topic
Am Sonntag, 22. April 2018 17:44 CEST, David van Ooijen schrieb: >What I understood from the discussion is that recto and verso can be >ambiguous, as in scripts that read right to left the order is reversed >and scrolls open up yet another can of worms. So some scholars opt for >a and b instead. The use of a and b in Van Baak Grifiioen is clear when >you open a page in the facsimile: left is a, right is b. >David Well, one benefit of the folio (recto/verso) notation is that a the two pysically stay together, even if the manuscript&book pages get out of order (which happens more often than one would expect). Also, for our field of interest in this mailing list, the problem with different writing directions is rather theoretical. And let's not forget that the folio system is the one used by the creators of those books/manuscripts (so the originsl toc most likely uses it). One benefit of the 'opening' system is that a lot of music manuscripts are aranged in openings, so pieces tend to stay on one opening. Cheers, RalfD To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
