[LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

2019-05-20 Thread Matthew Daillie
Sounds like it could be a loose bar or maybe an issue with the rose. Try 
holding the instrument with your fingers on the underside and with your thumb 
go round the edge of the soundboard applying a LITTLE pressure to see whether 
there are any noises of the soundboard moving against a bar (like a little 
click probably). You can also tap lightly on different areas of the top with 
the tip of your middle finger to see if there are any unwelcome noises. 
Obviously do this as gently as possible.
Have you checked on the relative humidity? If you have a concert coming up and 
you think there is a loose bar, make sure the relative humidity is at least 50% 
(but no more than 65%) and this might resolve the issue temporarily.
Best,
Matthew



> On May 20, 2019, at 18:01, "Edward C. Yong"  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, 
> 
> A bit of buzz is driving me crazy. I have a renaissance guitar and there’s a 
> buzz that starts with the plucked note and dies down quite quickly. 
> 
> I’ve checked the bridge for any loose bits of string - nothing. 
> 
> I’ve checked the pegbox/peghead for loose buzzy strings - nothing.
> 
> No possibility of frets being too high and buzzing, as the buzzing happens at 
> all notes at all positions. 
> 
> I’m hoping it’s not something beneath the soundboard that’s loose and causing 
> the buzz.
> 
> It doesn’t buzz when the instrument is flat, with the rose facing up. It 
> buzzes when the instrument is in a playing position - with the rose facing 
> sideways. It buzzes with the rose facing down. 
> 
> I’m on the verge of having this sent to the nearest luthier, but have a 
> performance coming up. I just hope the audience won’t be able to hear the 
> subtle buzz, as we’re not being amplified…
> 
> Best,
> 
> Edward
> 
> 
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html




[LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

2019-05-20 Thread Daniel Heiman
Edward:

When did you start to notice the buzz?  
Was it always present as long as you have owned the instrument?
Did it appear suddenly out of nowhere?
Have you changed a string lately, and that is when the buzz started?

Daniel

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Matthew Daillie
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 12:22 PM
To: Edward C. Yong 
Cc: Lute List 
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

Sounds like it could be a loose bar or maybe an issue with the rose. Try 
holding the instrument with your fingers on the underside and with your thumb 
go round the edge of the soundboard applying a LITTLE pressure to see whether 
there are any noises of the soundboard moving against a bar (like a little 
click probably). You can also tap lightly on different areas of the top with 
the tip of your middle finger to see if there are any unwelcome noises. 
Obviously do this as gently as possible.
Have you checked on the relative humidity? If you have a concert coming up and 
you think there is a loose bar, make sure the relative humidity is at least 50% 
(but no more than 65%) and this might resolve the issue temporarily.
Best,
Matthew



> On May 20, 2019, at 18:01, "Edward C. Yong"  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> A bit of buzz is driving me crazy. I have a renaissance guitar and there’s a 
> buzz that starts with the plucked note and dies down quite quickly. 
> 
> I’ve checked the bridge for any loose bits of string - nothing. 
> 
> I’ve checked the pegbox/peghead for loose buzzy strings - nothing.
> 
> No possibility of frets being too high and buzzing, as the buzzing happens at 
> all notes at all positions. 
> 
> I’m hoping it’s not something beneath the soundboard that’s loose and causing 
> the buzz.
> 
> It doesn’t buzz when the instrument is flat, with the rose facing up. It 
> buzzes when the instrument is in a playing position - with the rose facing 
> sideways. It buzzes with the rose facing down. 
> 
> I’m on the verge of having this sent to the nearest luthier, but have 
> a performance coming up. I just hope the audience won’t be able to 
> hear the subtle buzz, as we’re not being amplified…
> 
> Best,
> 
> Edward
> 
> 
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at 
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html







[LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

2019-06-06 Thread Edward C. Yong
Hi Matthew,

*slight* click when pressing on the soundboard around the 9 o’clock about an 
inch from the edge of the rose. 

Our humidity here is usually in the upper 80s or even 90s!

Best,

Edward

> On 21 May 2019, at 1:22 AM, Matthew Daillie  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like it could be a loose bar or maybe an issue with the rose. Try 
> holding the instrument with your fingers on the underside and with your thumb 
> go round the edge of the soundboard applying a LITTLE pressure to see whether 
> there are any noises of the soundboard moving against a bar (like a little 
> click probably). You can also tap lightly on different areas of the top with 
> the tip of your middle finger to see if there are any unwelcome noises. 
> Obviously do this as gently as possible.
> Have you checked on the relative humidity? If you have a concert coming up 
> and you think there is a loose bar, make sure the relative humidity is at 
> least 50% (but no more than 65%) and this might resolve the issue temporarily.
> Best,
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2019, at 18:01, "Edward C. Yong"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, 
>> 
>> A bit of buzz is driving me crazy. I have a renaissance guitar and there’s a 
>> buzz that starts with the plucked note and dies down quite quickly. 
>> 
>> I’ve checked the bridge for any loose bits of string - nothing. 
>> 
>> I’ve checked the pegbox/peghead for loose buzzy strings - nothing.
>> 
>> No possibility of frets being too high and buzzing, as the buzzing happens 
>> at all notes at all positions. 
>> 
>> I’m hoping it’s not something beneath the soundboard that’s loose and 
>> causing the buzz.
>> 
>> It doesn’t buzz when the instrument is flat, with the rose facing up. It 
>> buzzes when the instrument is in a playing position - with the rose facing 
>> sideways. It buzzes with the rose facing down. 
>> 
>> I’m on the verge of having this sent to the nearest luthier, but have a 
>> performance coming up. I just hope the audience won’t be able to hear the 
>> subtle buzz, as we’re not being amplified…
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Edward
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html





[LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

2019-06-06 Thread Edward C. Yong
Hi Daniel,

The buzz has always been there as long as I’ve had the instrument. 

I’ve noticed the maker didn’t remove the paper stencil(?) after carving out the 
rosette and closing the instrument, so the paper is still glued to the 
underside of the rosette. I’m wondering if that might be contributing to the 
buzz. Is it common for makers to keep that paper stencil/pattern on the 
instrument?

Best,

Edward

> On 21 May 2019, at 7:52 AM, Daniel Heiman  wrote:
> 
> Edward:
> 
> When did you start to notice the buzz?  
> Was it always present as long as you have owned the instrument?
> Did it appear suddenly out of nowhere?
> Have you changed a string lately, and that is when the buzz started?
> 
> Daniel
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Matthew Daillie
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 12:22 PM
> To: Edward C. Yong 
> Cc: Lute List 
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz
> 
> Sounds like it could be a loose bar or maybe an issue with the rose. Try 
> holding the instrument with your fingers on the underside and with your thumb 
> go round the edge of the soundboard applying a LITTLE pressure to see whether 
> there are any noises of the soundboard moving against a bar (like a little 
> click probably). You can also tap lightly on different areas of the top with 
> the tip of your middle finger to see if there are any unwelcome noises. 
> Obviously do this as gently as possible.
> Have you checked on the relative humidity? If you have a concert coming up 
> and you think there is a loose bar, make sure the relative humidity is at 
> least 50% (but no more than 65%) and this might resolve the issue temporarily.
> Best,
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2019, at 18:01, "Edward C. Yong"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> A bit of buzz is driving me crazy. I have a renaissance guitar and there’s a 
>> buzz that starts with the plucked note and dies down quite quickly. 
>> 
>> I’ve checked the bridge for any loose bits of string - nothing. 
>> 
>> I’ve checked the pegbox/peghead for loose buzzy strings - nothing.
>> 
>> No possibility of frets being too high and buzzing, as the buzzing happens 
>> at all notes at all positions. 
>> 
>> I’m hoping it’s not something beneath the soundboard that’s loose and 
>> causing the buzz.
>> 
>> It doesn’t buzz when the instrument is flat, with the rose facing up. It 
>> buzzes when the instrument is in a playing position - with the rose facing 
>> sideways. It buzzes with the rose facing down. 
>> 
>> I’m on the verge of having this sent to the nearest luthier, but have 
>> a performance coming up. I just hope the audience won’t be able to 
>> hear the subtle buzz, as we’re not being amplified…
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Edward
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at 
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





[LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

2019-06-06 Thread Daniel Heiman
Edward, et al.

The reason that the pegbox of the lute is bent back is pure physics.  Having 
the strings wrapped 70 to 90 degrees around the nut provides a significant 
"downward" force of the string against the nut, allowing for its location to be 
maintained by use of only a very shallow groove.  With this design, normally if 
you fret a "b" or a "c" vigorously or with vibrato, you are not risking shoving 
the string sideways, out of its correct spacing.

Now if you have a vihuela or Renaissance or Baroque guitar with a flat pegbox, 
look at the nut.  The grooves there will be much deeper than on the lute, often 
more than 1X the string diameter.  This is necessary because with only a 5 or 
10 degree  wrap of the string against the nut, the "downward" force is 
relatively much less.  If you do not confine the strings more tightly, they 
will get shoved around out of position all the time.  

Why is this important in the present context?  Cutting the grooves in the nut 
by hand is quite exacting work for the builder.  The sides of the groove must 
be pretty much exactly parallel to each other in the direction the string moves 
when tuning.  If the groove grips the string tightly at one end, but has even a 
microscopic amount of play at the other end, the string can slap against the 
sides of the groove there when a note is played on the instrument, and voila, 
buzz.  

So Edward, take a magnifying glass and look at the nut of your instrument.  
Push sideways on the portion of the strings between the nut and the pegs and 
see whether there is any evidence of motion of the strings within the nut. It 
might work to wrap a shoelace or ribbon in amongst the strings in the pegbox 
and see whether that alters the symptoms in some way -- I have not tried this, 
so I do not guarantee it.

If this is the problem, I suggest taking the instrument to an experienced 
guitar repair person rather than trying to adjust it yourself.

Regards,

Daniel Heiman

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Edward C. Yong
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 9:06 PM
To: Daniel Heiman 
Cc: Matthew Daillie ; Lute List 

Subject: [LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

Hi Daniel,

The buzz has always been there as long as I’ve had the instrument. 

I’ve noticed the maker didn’t remove the paper stencil(?) after carving out the 
rosette and closing the instrument, so the paper is still glued to the 
underside of the rosette. I’m wondering if that might be contributing to the 
buzz. Is it common for makers to keep that paper stencil/pattern on the 
instrument?

Best,

Edward

> On 21 May 2019, at 7:52 AM, Daniel Heiman  wrote:
> 
> Edward:
> 
> When did you start to notice the buzz?  
> Was it always present as long as you have owned the instrument?
> Did it appear suddenly out of nowhere?
> Have you changed a string lately, and that is when the buzz started?
> 
> Daniel
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Matthew Daillie
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 12:22 PM
> To: Edward C. Yong 
> Cc: Lute List 
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz
> 
> Sounds like it could be a loose bar or maybe an issue with the rose. Try 
> holding the instrument with your fingers on the underside and with your thumb 
> go round the edge of the soundboard applying a LITTLE pressure to see whether 
> there are any noises of the soundboard moving against a bar (like a little 
> click probably). You can also tap lightly on different areas of the top with 
> the tip of your middle finger to see if there are any unwelcome noises. 
> Obviously do this as gently as possible.
> Have you checked on the relative humidity? If you have a concert coming up 
> and you think there is a loose bar, make sure the relative humidity is at 
> least 50% (but no more than 65%) and this might resolve the issue temporarily.
> Best,
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2019, at 18:01, "Edward C. Yong"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> A bit of buzz is driving me crazy. I have a renaissance guitar and there’s a 
>> buzz that starts with the plucked note and dies down quite quickly. 
>> 
>> I’ve checked the bridge for any loose bits of string - nothing. 
>> 
>> I’ve checked the pegbox/peghead for loose buzzy strings - nothing.
>> 
>> No possibility of frets being too high and buzzing, as the buzzing happens 
>> at all notes at all positions. 
>> 
>> I’m hoping it’s not something beneath the soundboard that’s loose and 
>> causing the buzz.
>> 
>> It doesn’t buzz when the instrument is flat, with the rose facing up. It 
>> buzzes when the instrument is in a playing position - with the rose facing 

[LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

2019-06-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
   You ask: 'Is it common for makers to keep that paper stencil/pattern on
   the instrument?'
   For extant original instruments the answer is yes.
   MH

   On Friday, 7 June 2019, 03:11:32 BST, Edward C. Yong
wrote:
   Hi Daniel,
   The buzz has always been there as long as I've had the instrument.
   I've noticed the maker didn't remove the paper stencil(?) after carving
   out the rosette and closing the instrument, so the paper is still glued
   to the underside of the rosette. I'm wondering if that might be
   contributing to the buzz. Is it common for makers to keep that paper
   stencil/pattern on the instrument?
   Best,
   Edward
   > On 21 May 2019, at 7:52 AM, Daniel Heiman <[1]heiman.dan...@juno.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > Edward:
   >
   > When did you start to notice the buzz?
   > Was it always present as long as you have owned the instrument?
   > Did it appear suddenly out of nowhere?
   > Have you changed a string lately, and that is when the buzz started?
   >
   > Daniel
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Daillie
   > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 12:22 PM
   > To: Edward C. Yong <[4]edward.y...@gmail.com>
   > Cc: Lute List <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz
   >
   > Sounds like it could be a loose bar or maybe an issue with the rose.
   Try holding the instrument with your fingers on the underside and with
   your thumb go round the edge of the soundboard applying a LITTLE
   pressure to see whether there are any noises of the soundboard moving
   against a bar (like a little click probably). You can also tap lightly
   on different areas of the top with the tip of your middle finger to see
   if there are any unwelcome noises. Obviously do this as gently as
   possible.
   > Have you checked on the relative humidity? If you have a concert
   coming up and you think there is a loose bar, make sure the relative
   humidity is at least 50% (but no more than 65%) and this might resolve
   the issue temporarily.
   > Best,
   > Matthew
   >
   >
   >
   >> On May 20, 2019, at 18:01, "Edward C. Yong"
   <[6]edward.y...@gmail.com> wrote:
   >>
   >> Hi everyone,
   >>
   >> A bit of buzz is driving me crazy. I have a renaissance guitar and
   there's a buzz that starts with the plucked note and dies down quite
   quickly.
   >>
   >> I've checked the bridge for any loose bits of string - nothing.
   >>
   >> I've checked the pegbox/peghead for loose buzzy strings - nothing.
   >>
   >> No possibility of frets being too high and buzzing, as the buzzing
   happens at all notes at all positions.
   >>
   >> I'm hoping it's not something beneath the soundboard that's loose
   and causing the buzz.
   >>
   >> It doesn't buzz when the instrument is flat, with the rose facing
   up. It buzzes when the instrument is in a playing position - with the
   rose facing sideways. It buzzes with the rose facing down.
   >>
   >> I'm on the verge of having this sent to the nearest luthier, but
   have
   >> a performance coming up. I just hope the audience won't be able to
   >> hear the subtle buzz, as we're not being amplifiedâ¦
   >>
   >> Best,
   >>
   >> Edward
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> To get on or off this list see list information at
   >> [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >

   --

References

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   2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
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   5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   6. mailto:edward.y...@gmail.com
   7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html



[LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

2019-06-07 Thread Martin Shepherd
I would say the click almost certainly indicates a loose bar. You can 
indeed get buzzes from all sorts of places - strings touching the 
soundboard behind the bridge, nut grooves which are not quite right, 
strings touching each other in the pegbox, even (as you suggest) a 
slightly unglued piece of paper under the rose (by the way, it is normal 
to leave the paper on) - but the only thing which will give you a click 
is a bar which has come unglued at the end.  The click is the sound of 
the bar moving against the rib, and the buzz comes from the place where 
the bar is starting to part company from the soundboard and is therefore 
not in contact but very close.


I hope that helps,

Martin

On 07/06/2019 04:04, Edward C. Yong wrote:

Hi Matthew,

*slight* click when pressing on the soundboard around the 9 o’clock about an 
inch from the edge of the rose.

Our humidity here is usually in the upper 80s or even 90s!

Best,

Edward


On 21 May 2019, at 1:22 AM, Matthew Daillie  wrote:

Sounds like it could be a loose bar or maybe an issue with the rose. Try 
holding the instrument with your fingers on the underside and with your thumb 
go round the edge of the soundboard applying a LITTLE pressure to see whether 
there are any noises of the soundboard moving against a bar (like a little 
click probably). You can also tap lightly on different areas of the top with 
the tip of your middle finger to see if there are any unwelcome noises. 
Obviously do this as gently as possible.
Have you checked on the relative humidity? If you have a concert coming up and 
you think there is a loose bar, make sure the relative humidity is at least 50% 
(but no more than 65%) and this might resolve the issue temporarily.
Best,
Matthew




On May 20, 2019, at 18:01, "Edward C. Yong"  wrote:

Hi everyone,

A bit of buzz is driving me crazy. I have a renaissance guitar and there’s a 
buzz that starts with the plucked note and dies down quite quickly.

I’ve checked the bridge for any loose bits of string - nothing.

I’ve checked the pegbox/peghead for loose buzzy strings - nothing.

No possibility of frets being too high and buzzing, as the buzzing happens at 
all notes at all positions.

I’m hoping it’s not something beneath the soundboard that’s loose and causing 
the buzz.

It doesn’t buzz when the instrument is flat, with the rose facing up. It buzzes 
when the instrument is in a playing position - with the rose facing sideways. 
It buzzes with the rose facing down.

I’m on the verge of having this sent to the nearest luthier, but have a 
performance coming up. I just hope the audience won’t be able to hear the 
subtle buzz, as we’re not being amplified…

Best,

Edward



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[LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

2019-06-21 Thread John Mardinly
   Edward;

   My 1970 Rubio developed a terrible rattle internally due to detached
   bracing. Guitars routinely have bracing repaired through the sound
   hole, but lutes require removing the top. Major surgery, but it was
   done successfully on my lute. Good luck. My repair was done by Mel Wong
   in San Francisco.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.

   On Jun 6, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Edward C. Yong <[1]edward.y...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

   Hi Daniel,
   The buzz has always been there as long as I've had the instrument.
   I've noticed the maker didn't remove the paper stencil(?) after carving
   out the rosette and closing the instrument, so the paper is still glued
   to the underside of the rosette. I'm wondering if that might be
   contributing to the buzz. Is it common for makers to keep that paper
   stencil/pattern on the instrument?
   Best,
   Edward

 On 21 May 2019, at 7:52 AM, Daniel Heiman
 <[2]heiman.dan...@juno.com> wrote:
 Edward:
 When did you start to notice the buzz?
 Was it always present as long as you have owned the instrument?
 Did it appear suddenly out of nowhere?
 Have you changed a string lately, and that is when the buzz started?
 Daniel
 -Original Message-
 From: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 [[4]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Daillie
 Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 12:22 PM
 To: Edward C. Yong <[5]edward.y...@gmail.com>
 Cc: Lute List <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz
 Sounds like it could be a loose bar or maybe an issue with the rose.
 Try holding the instrument with your fingers on the underside and
 with your thumb go round the edge of the soundboard applying a
 LITTLE pressure to see whether there are any noises of the
 soundboard moving against a bar (like a little click probably). You
 can also tap lightly on different areas of the top with the tip of
 your middle finger to see if there are any unwelcome noises.
 Obviously do this as gently as possible.
 Have you checked on the relative humidity? If you have a concert
 coming up and you think there is a loose bar, make sure the relative
 humidity is at least 50% (but no more than 65%) and this might
 resolve the issue temporarily.
 Best,
 Matthew

 On May 20, 2019, at 18:01, "Edward C. Yong"
 <[7]edward.y...@gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 A bit of buzz is driving me crazy. I have a renaissance guitar and
 there's a buzz that starts with the plucked note and dies down quite
 quickly.
 I've checked the bridge for any loose bits of string - nothing.
 I've checked the pegbox/peghead for loose buzzy strings - nothing.
 No possibility of frets being too high and buzzing, as the buzzing
 happens at all notes at all positions.
 I'm hoping it's not something beneath the soundboard that's loose
 and causing the buzz.
 It doesn't buzz when the instrument is flat, with the rose facing
 up. It buzzes when the instrument is in a playing position - with
 the rose facing sideways. It buzzes with the rose facing down.
 I'm on the verge of having this sent to the nearest luthier, but
 have
 a performance coming up. I just hope the audience won't be able to
 hear the subtle buzz, as we're not being amplified…
 Best,
 Edward
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[LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz

2019-06-22 Thread Edward C. Yong
Hi John,

Thanks for that! 

Best,

Edward

> On 22 Jun 2019, at 4:43 AM, John Mardinly  wrote:
> 
>   Edward;
> 
>   My 1970 Rubio developed a terrible rattle internally due to detached
>   bracing. Guitars routinely have bracing repaired through the sound
>   hole, but lutes require removing the top. Major surgery, but it was
>   done successfully on my lute. Good luck. My repair was done by Mel Wong
>   in San Francisco.
> 
>   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> 
>   On Jun 6, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Edward C. Yong <[1]edward.y...@gmail.com>
>   wrote:
> 
>   Hi Daniel,
>   The buzz has always been there as long as I've had the instrument.
>   I've noticed the maker didn't remove the paper stencil(?) after carving
>   out the rosette and closing the instrument, so the paper is still glued
>   to the underside of the rosette. I'm wondering if that might be
>   contributing to the buzz. Is it common for makers to keep that paper
>   stencil/pattern on the instrument?
>   Best,
>   Edward
> 
> On 21 May 2019, at 7:52 AM, Daniel Heiman
> <[2]heiman.dan...@juno.com> wrote:
> Edward:
> When did you start to notice the buzz?
> Was it always present as long as you have owned the instrument?
> Did it appear suddenly out of nowhere?
> Have you changed a string lately, and that is when the buzz started?
> Daniel
> -Original Message-
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> [[4]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Daillie
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 12:22 PM
> To: Edward C. Yong <[5]edward.y...@gmail.com>
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> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Instrument Buzz
> Sounds like it could be a loose bar or maybe an issue with the rose.
> Try holding the instrument with your fingers on the underside and
> with your thumb go round the edge of the soundboard applying a
> LITTLE pressure to see whether there are any noises of the
> soundboard moving against a bar (like a little click probably). You
> can also tap lightly on different areas of the top with the tip of
> your middle finger to see if there are any unwelcome noises.
> Obviously do this as gently as possible.
> Have you checked on the relative humidity? If you have a concert
> coming up and you think there is a loose bar, make sure the relative
> humidity is at least 50% (but no more than 65%) and this might
> resolve the issue temporarily.
> Best,
> Matthew
> 
> On May 20, 2019, at 18:01, "Edward C. Yong"
> <[7]edward.y...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> A bit of buzz is driving me crazy. I have a renaissance guitar and
> there's a buzz that starts with the plucked note and dies down quite
> quickly.
> I've checked the bridge for any loose bits of string - nothing.
> I've checked the pegbox/peghead for loose buzzy strings - nothing.
> No possibility of frets being too high and buzzing, as the buzzing
> happens at all notes at all positions.
> I'm hoping it's not something beneath the soundboard that's loose
> and causing the buzz.
> It doesn't buzz when the instrument is flat, with the rose facing
> up. It buzzes when the instrument is in a playing position - with
> the rose facing sideways. It buzzes with the rose facing down.
> I'm on the verge of having this sent to the nearest luthier, but
> have
> a performance coming up. I just hope the audience won't be able to
> hear the subtle buzz, as we're not being amplified…
> Best,
> Edward
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