[LUTE] Re: Italian songs
Helen, Rather later than I think you were looking for, but nevertheless may interest you, is the Bottegari Lute Book which contains vocal works with lute tablature from the later 16th century. An edition was done (by Wellesley Editions) in 1965 which transcribes the tablature into staff notation but a new edition with transcription into French tablature is now available from Mignarda Editions ( Ron Andrico). The below is from their website: 'The Bottegari Lute Book: Volume One contains music for voice with lute from the manuscript, including all the sacred music with Latin and Italian texts, the complete lute solos, and some of the more important settings of madrigals arranged by Bottegari for solo voice with lute'. I had the impression that there was a new facsimile edition but can't find it; perhaps this is to be Volume Two? There are also a number of other lute books from this period (say 1570 -1600) which, tho mostly containing solos, also contain some vocal items with tablature (eg 'Cavalcanti MS Brussels BR Mus MS II 275). The vocal line is often embedded in the tablature. MH -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Italian songs
Hello Helen and All: First, thank you Denys and Martyn for mentioning our efforts in publishing performing editions of music for voice and lute. Just to clarify, we do have the first volume of our edition of the Bottegari book available, mostly with Latin texts, but are still working on translations for the rest of the songs. There is in fact an excellent facsimile available from Arnaldo Forni Editions, available through OMI and most likely also through European outlets. The OMI link and their listing description are copied below: Best wishes, Ron Andrico http://www.omifacsimiles.com/cats/forni.html BOTTEGARI, Cosimo, 1554-1620 Il libro di canto e liuto. The Song and Lute Book. A cura di Dinko Fabris e John Griffiths. Facsimile Edition by Dinko Fabris and John Griffiths. [Ms. C 311, Bibl. Estense, Modena]. Bibliotheca Musica Bononiensis, IV/98. Bologna, 2006. 4DEG, 64, 122 pp. Facsimile of one of the most important mss relating to the history of the lute and an early source of Florentine monody from the last quarter of the 16th c. Besides works for solo lute it contains 127 pieces for voice with lute accompaniment in both mensural notation and Italian tablature. Composers include Bottegari, Lasso, Rore, Striggio, Palestrina, Dentice, Vecchi, Primavera, Conversi, Nola, Malvezzi Tromboncino. Wrappers. $86 [item no.8702] Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:12:54 + To: helen.atkin...@wordstone.co.uk CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: Italian songs Helen, Rather later than I think you were looking for, but nevertheless may interest you, is the Bottegari Lute Book which contains vocal works with lute tablature from the later 16th century. An edition was done (by Wellesley Editions) in 1965 which transcribes the tablature into staff notation but a new edition with transcription into French tablature is now available from Mignarda Editions ( Ron Andrico). The below is from their website: 'The Bottegari Lute Book: Volume One contains music for voice with lute from the manuscript, including all the sacred music with Latin and Italian texts, the complete lute solos, and some of the more important settings of madrigals arranged by Bottegari for solo voice with lute'. I had the impression that there was a new facsimile edition but can't find it; perhaps this is to be Volume Two? There are also a number of other lute books from this period (say 1570 -1600) which, tho mostly containing solos, also contain some vocal items with tablature (eg 'Cavalcanti MS Brussels BR Mus MS II 275). The vocal line is often embedded in the tablature. MH -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Italian songs
For questions like this, the World Catalogue is a wonderful resource. Be sure to limit your search by clicking the appropriate filter in the left column. (I left off CDs, for example.) In addition to providing bibliographical information about books, it also gives the libraries holding a given item (enter your ZIP code or country). In any event, the facsimile Martyn mention is by Forni and edited by Dinko Fabris and John Griffiths. I used subject and keyword for the search (su:Songs with Lute kw:Bottegari). Here are the hits I got: Andrico, Ron, ed. The Bottegari Lute Book: Volume 1. Spencer, N.Y.: Mignarda Editions, 2006. Musical score. Bottegari, Cosimo (Dinko Fabris, and John Griffiths, eds.). Il Libro Di Canto E Liuto =: The Song and Lute Book. Bibliotheca musica Bononiensis, N. 98. Bologna: Arnaldo Forni, 2006. Facsimile score. Curry, Donna. Songs to the Lute: From France, Italy, Spain and Germany for Voice and Renaissance Lute. Luebeck: Tree Edition, 1994. [song anthology: three songs from Bottegari] MacClintock, Carol, ed.. The Bottegari Lutebook. Wellesley, Ma: Wellesley College, 1965. Musical score. Valdrighi, Luigi F., ed. Il Libro Di Canto E Liuto Di Cosimo Bottegari, Fiorentino. Bologna: Forni, 1967. (texts only reprinted from 1891). - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Helen Atkinson [2]helen.atkin...@wordstone.co.uk Cc: Lute List [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:12 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Italian songs Helen, Rather later than I think you were looking for, but nevertheless may interest you, is the Bottegari Lute Book which contains vocal works with lute tablature from the later 16th century. An edition was done (by Wellesley Editions) in 1965 which transcribes the tablature into staff notation but a new edition with transcription into French tablature is now available from Mignarda Editions ( Ron Andrico). The below is from their website: 'The Bottegari Lute Book: Volume One contains music for voice with lute from the manuscript, including all the sacred music with Latin and Italian texts, the complete lute solos, and some of the more important settings of madrigals arranged by Bottegari for solo voice with lute'. I had the impression that there was a new facsimile edition but can't find it; perhaps this is to be Volume Two? There are also a number of other lute books from this period (say 1570 -1600) which, tho mostly containing solos, also contain some vocal items with tablature (eg 'Cavalcanti MS Brussels BR Mus MS II 275). The vocal line is often embedded in the tablature. MH -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:helen.atkin...@wordstone.co.uk 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Italian songs
Thank you, Denys - I'm very grateful for your arrangements of these familiar pieces. I also intend to buy one or two of the Mignarda publications. Helen Dear Helen, One of the mysteries of 16th century Italian music is why there are so few lute songs surviving - other responses to your question have mentioned most of the known sources, and they are far fewer in number than we might reasonable expect. We certainly know that singing to the lute was hugely popular - Castiglione's famous quote says it all: But singing to the lute with the dittie (me thinke) is more pleasant than the rest, for it addeth to the wordes such a grace and strength, that it is a great wonder. Baldassare Castiglione, Il Libro del Cortegiano, Venice, 1528. Translated by Sir Thomas Hoby, 1561. So it seems that perhaps the idea of a fixed accompaniment to a song was slightly alien to the time and accomplished musicians simply improvised on the spot or memorised their accompaniments and had no need to write them down. But the few settings that do survive - like the Bossinensis prints - demonstrate how lute song accompaniments were made, and it's not an unduly difficult task to take the vocal originals of part songs and create your own lute song versions. I spent several years doing that as I knew a singer who shared my enjoyment of 16c Italian music, and we essentially created our repertoire that way. I have attached some examples of settings to the copy of this message sent directly to you (we can't send attachments to the lutenet). Ron Andrico and Donna Stewart have done some wonderful work in this field, and you can find their books at: http://www.mignarda.com/editions/ I am writing here mainly about the early mid 16c - by the end of the century the development of continuo was changing performance practice radically. For more on that see 'Per cantare e sonare - accompanying Italian lute song of the late sixteenth century' - by Kevin Mason, in 'Performance on Lute, Guitar Vihuela' edited by Victor Coelho, Camridge University Press, 1997. Best wishes, Denys -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of helen.atkin...@wordstone.co.uk Sent: 20 January 2011 06:37 To: List LUTELIST Subject: [LUTE] Italian songs Hi I'm wondering if there is much Italian Renaissance song repertoire available with written out tablature accompaniment. I'm particularly inspired by the material on Julianne Baird and Ronn McFarlane's CD (The Italian Lute Song). Any advice on this would be gratefully received. Helen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Italian songs
Hello Helen, Timo Peedu edited some frottole. You can find this at lute.ning: http://lutegroup.ning.com/profile/TimoPeedu?xg_source=profiles_memberList another source is Verdelot 1536 for voice and lute and Verovio: Lodi della Musica (Roma, 1595) Madrigals for 3 voices and Lute an edition is available from http://www.seicentomusic.de/ greetings wolfgang Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:05:26 + Von: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk An: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Italian songs Dear Helen, I haven't heard the CD of which you speak, so I don't know which songs they do. Shirley Rumsey did a nice CD on Naxos many years ago which might also be an inspiration (and her Spanish CD is very good too). The two books of frottole published by Bossinensis in 1509 and 1511 are not such a bad place to start. Poems by Petrarch, music by Tromboncino and Cara, nice stuff. The only downside is I'm not sure any modern editions have been done, though as far as I know the facsimiles are still available. I can send you copies of a few songs in my own handwritten edition if you like. Best wishes, Martin On 20/01/2011 06:36, helen.atkin...@wordstone.co.uk wrote: Hi I'm wondering if there is much Italian Renaissance song repertoire available with written out tablature accompaniment. I'm particularly inspired by the material on Julianne Baird and Ronn McFarlane's CD (The Italian Lute Song). Any advice on this would be gratefully received. Helen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Italian songs
Thank you very much Martin, Wolfgang, Ron/Donna, Bruno, Bernd (what a luscious song - and heavenly singing!) and Arthur for your suggestions. I shall explore them over the next few days. Martin, I would really appreciate having some copies and will email you my address. Helen Good morning, I have some Finding Tools on Wayne's Lute Page. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Sources.html Two would be especially useful to you: 1965 Brown. It has an index to works by medium of performance. Covers printed sources of the 16th century. In the second part, World Catalogue. Search on the subject Songs with Lute (su:Songs with Lute You will get a zillion hits. IMPORTANT: filter your search by using the limiters in the left column. Musical Score will limit your hits to 847 items. That also includes on-line scores, many of which cannot be used due to copyright restruictions. But check. But also use the Language limiter, Italian, and you'll get closer to what you want, with 81 hits. You can register and make your own private list by downloading the bibliographical information for each desired item. - Original Message - From: helen.atkin...@wordstone.co.uk To: List LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:36 AM Subject: [LUTE] Italian songs Hi I'm wondering if there is much Italian Renaissance song repertoire available with written out tablature accompaniment. I'm particularly inspired by the material on Julianne Baird and Ronn McFarlane's CD (The Italian Lute Song). Any advice on this would be gratefully received. Helen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Italian songs
Bernd (what a luscious song - and heavenly singing!) well, I ate a lot of chalk before (ok ok, I don't know whether those guys were reponsible for the naive youtube diaporama, but they really were a wonderful duo on stage. We listened to them in Antwerpen , a whole program just with thst voice and theorbo, excellent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0G4baeFRPo Olé B To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Italian songs
Dear Helen, One of the mysteries of 16th century Italian music is why there are so few lute songs surviving - other responses to your question have mentioned most of the known sources, and they are far fewer in number than we might reasonable expect. We certainly know that singing to the lute was hugely popular - Castiglione's famous quote says it all: But singing to the lute with the dittie (me thinke) is more pleasant than the rest, for it addeth to the wordes such a grace and strength, that it is a great wonder. Baldassare Castiglione, Il Libro del Cortegiano, Venice, 1528. Translated by Sir Thomas Hoby, 1561. So it seems that perhaps the idea of a fixed accompaniment to a song was slightly alien to the time and accomplished musicians simply improvised on the spot or memorised their accompaniments and had no need to write them down. But the few settings that do survive - like the Bossinensis prints - demonstrate how lute song accompaniments were made, and it's not an unduly difficult task to take the vocal originals of part songs and create your own lute song versions. I spent several years doing that as I knew a singer who shared my enjoyment of 16c Italian music, and we essentially created our repertoire that way. I have attached some examples of settings to the copy of this message sent directly to you (we can't send attachments to the lutenet). Ron Andrico and Donna Stewart have done some wonderful work in this field, and you can find their books at: http://www.mignarda.com/editions/ I am writing here mainly about the early mid 16c - by the end of the century the development of continuo was changing performance practice radically. For more on that see 'Per cantare e sonare - accompanying Italian lute song of the late sixteenth century' - by Kevin Mason, in 'Performance on Lute, Guitar Vihuela' edited by Victor Coelho, Camridge University Press, 1997. Best wishes, Denys -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of helen.atkin...@wordstone.co.uk Sent: 20 January 2011 06:37 To: List LUTELIST Subject: [LUTE] Italian songs Hi I'm wondering if there is much Italian Renaissance song repertoire available with written out tablature accompaniment. I'm particularly inspired by the material on Julianne Baird and Ronn McFarlane's CD (The Italian Lute Song). Any advice on this would be gratefully received. Helen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
