[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
Considering the influence that Julian Bream had on many modern lutists, it would probably best for such a lute to go to a museum. There are several such non-authentic lutes in the Paris Music museum. As to the musicality of the instrument, Jakob Lindberg in the Lute Quaterly says that he intended in his early years to buy a Rubio guitar, but ended up buying a Ramirez that was half the price and better. Of course Rubio, was apparently his nickname in Spain, because of his ruddy English complexion. His name was in fact Spinks. http://www.rubioviolins.com/ Anthony Le 4 mars 08 =E0 07:39, Steve Ramey a ecrit : Pushed the button way too soon on my last post. Sorry! What I meant to say was-- A couple other guitar-like qualities include the classical guitar- like bridge, complete with saddle raised toward the bass end, the fingerboard height is actually above the level of the belly, and to my eye, the bridge looks like it's set a little far up the belly. Interesting treatment of the rose and back of neck decoration, though. Steve - Original Message From: David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 5:35:33 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio? On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:24 PM, vance wood wrote: No one has mentioned, though I suppose some have noticed, it has metal frets. Hi Vance, Yes I noticed the frets. As soon as I saw the back of the neck I said, what's wrong with this picture? I like Rubio's monogram BTW. DR [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
Interestingly, my first guitar teacher was Carl Shavitz, now a master baker I believe, and he had at least two lutes by Rubio, a 13 course and I think an 8 course. It is thirty five years since I saw them but I recall them as very light in build, with tied frets and no raised sound board and a traditional lute bridge - ie no ivory insert. I imagine the Bream instrument was built specifically for bream's guitar technique. Nick Gravestock On 3/3/08 19:57, Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Lutists One small advantage of playing withouth the RH little finger on the lute belly, is a perfectly clean lute with absolutely no trace on the soundboard. http://www.theguitarsalon.com/guitars/Rubio_1967Lute.html This is a pity, if like me you hope to study the trace of lutists on the soundboard of their lutes, but I suppose it is good for the value, so long as you are also Julian Bream, and I must admit the woodwork does look superb. I suppose this David Rubio lute, must be a collector's item. Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
Looks like it's in excellent condition. I've never seen an 8-course with a treble rider and both 1st and 2nd single strings. David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mar 3, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Anthony Hind wrote: Dear Lutists One small advantage of playing withouth the RH little finger on the lute belly, is a perfectly clean lute with absolutely no trace on the soundboard. http://www.theguitarsalon.com/guitars/Rubio_1967Lute.html This is a pity, if like me you hope to study the trace of lutists on the soundboard of their lutes, but I suppose it is good for the value, so long as you are also Julian Bream, and I must admit the woodwork does look superb. I suppose this David Rubio lute, must be a collector's item. Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
My old Steiner furniture lute had a similar treble rider, and I've seen them on other instruments of that type and vintage. Perhaps they got the idea from the Bream instrument. It had only seven courses and a single chanterelle, though. Guy -Original Message- From: David Rastall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:06 PM To: Anthony Hind Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio? Looks like it's in excellent condition. I've never seen an 8-course with a treble rider and both 1st and 2nd single strings. David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mar 3, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Anthony Hind wrote: Dear Lutists One small advantage of playing withouth the RH little finger on the lute belly, is a perfectly clean lute with absolutely no trace on the soundboard. http://www.theguitarsalon.com/guitars/Rubio_1967Lute.html This is a pity, if like me you hope to study the trace of lutists on the soundboard of their lutes, but I suppose it is good for the value, so long as you are also Julian Bream, and I must admit the woodwork does look superb. I suppose this David Rubio lute, must be a collector's item. Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
No one has mentioned, though I suppose some have noticed, it has metal frets. Typical of Lutes before the advent of traditional historically accurate instruments. When I went to Oakland University the school owned a Rubio and it was a dog musically. This was in the mid 70's and apparently this Rubio was more historically correct and did not have the metal frets. - Original Message - From: Guy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'David Rastall' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Anthony Hind' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio? My old Steiner furniture lute had a similar treble rider, and I've seen them on other instruments of that type and vintage. Perhaps they got the idea from the Bream instrument. It had only seven courses and a single chanterelle, though. Guy -Original Message- From: David Rastall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:06 PM To: Anthony Hind Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio? Looks like it's in excellent condition. I've never seen an 8-course with a treble rider and both 1st and 2nd single strings. David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mar 3, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Anthony Hind wrote: Dear Lutists One small advantage of playing withouth the RH little finger on the lute belly, is a perfectly clean lute with absolutely no trace on the soundboard. http://www.theguitarsalon.com/guitars/Rubio_1967Lute.html This is a pity, if like me you hope to study the trace of lutists on the soundboard of their lutes, but I suppose it is good for the value, so long as you are also Julian Bream, and I must admit the woodwork does look superb. I suppose this David Rubio lute, must be a collector's item. Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 10:01 AM
[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
Roger Traversac on the French lute list said he bought almost the same Rubio lute for 3000 francs (448 Euro ) in 1997/1999. It was on sale through the magazine Les cahiers de la guitare. Anthony Le 3 mars 08 =E0 22:05, David Rastall a ecrit : Looks like it's in excellent condition. I've never seen an 8- course with a treble rider and both 1st and 2nd single strings. David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mar 3, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Anthony Hind wrote: Dear Lutists One small advantage of playing withouth the RH little finger on the lute belly, is a perfectly clean lute with absolutely no trace on the soundboard. http://www.theguitarsalon.com/guitars/Rubio_1967Lute.html This is a pity, if like me you hope to study the trace of lutists on the soundboard of their lutes, but I suppose it is good for the value, so long as you are also Julian Bream, and I must admit the woodwork does look superb. I suppose this David Rubio lute, must be a collector's item. Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:24 PM, vance wood wrote: No one has mentioned, though I suppose some have noticed, it has metal frets. Hi Vance, Yes I noticed the frets. As soon as I saw the back of the neck I said, what's wrong with this picture? I like Rubio's monogram BTW. DR [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
No one can argue that this is not a beautiful instrument, and if Bream owned it I am sure it has a wonderful sound, if not a bit Guitar like. - Original Message - From: David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio? On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:24 PM, vance wood wrote: No one has mentioned, though I suppose some have noticed, it has metal frets. Hi Vance, Yes I noticed the frets. As soon as I saw the back of the neck I said, what's wrong with this picture? I like Rubio's monogram BTW. DR [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 10:01 AM
[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
On 3/3/08 19:57, Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Lutists One small advantage of playing withouth the RH little finger on the lute belly, is a perfectly clean lute with absolutely no trace on the soundboard. http://www.theguitarsalon.com/guitars/Rubio_1967Lute.html This is a pity, if like me you hope to study the trace of lutists on the soundboard of their lutes, but I suppose it is good for the value, so long as you are also Julian Bream, and I must admit the woodwork does look superb. I suppose this David Rubio lute, must be a collector's item. Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I actually played this instrument, or at least tried to, many years ago. Sometime in the late 1980s it went to Sotheby's and whilst viewing another instrument I spotted the Rubio. I recall it being quite heavy, the metal frets felt like guitar frets. It was well made but for clearly a guitarist - heavy strings with robust sound for a concert hall - no compromise. I was playing a 62cm lute at the time and remember the Rubio being longer. hdf chords were a struggle, fbd chords were impossible on it (for me!) DF
[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
- Original Message From: David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 5:35:33 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio? On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:24 PM, vance wood wrote: No one has mentioned, though I suppose some have noticed, it has metal frets. Hi Vance, Yes I noticed the frets. As soon as I saw the back of the neck I said, what's wrong with this picture? I like Rubio's monogram BTW. DR [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
Pushed the button way too soon on my last post. Sorry! What I meant to say was-- A couple other guitar-like qualities include the classical guitar-like bridge, complete with saddle raised toward the bass end, the fingerboard height is actually above the level of the belly, and to my eye, the bridge looks like it's set a little far up the belly. Interesting treatment of the rose and back of neck decoration, though. Steve - Original Message From: David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 5:35:33 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio? On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:24 PM, vance wood wrote: No one has mentioned, though I suppose some have noticed, it has metal frets. Hi Vance, Yes I noticed the frets. As soon as I saw the back of the neck I said, what's wrong with this picture? I like Rubio's monogram BTW. DR [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Bream Rubio?
Perhaps it was guitar size. Lute makers are constantly telling us that 60cm lutes as standard are well below the size of standard guitars. Another point noted, the first two single strings, obviously do appear on 11c lutes, and also we often compromise on the 9c type lute that frequently did have a double 1c set-up. Roger Traversac, actually bought the Rubio for a guiraist friend, who wanted to play in the Bream manner. Anthony Le 4 mars 08 à 00:02, Dante Ferrara a écrit : On 3/3/08 19:57, Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Lutists One small advantage of playing withouth the RH little finger on the lute belly, is a perfectly clean lute with absolutely no trace on the soundboard. http://www.theguitarsalon.com/guitars/Rubio_1967Lute.html This is a pity, if like me you hope to study the trace of lutists on the soundboard of their lutes, but I suppose it is good for the value, so long as you are also Julian Bream, and I must admit the woodwork does look superb. I suppose this David Rubio lute, must be a collector's item. Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I actually played this instrument, or at least tried to, many years ago. Sometime in the late 1980s it went to Sotheby's and whilst viewing another instrument I spotted the Rubio. I recall it being quite heavy, the metal frets felt like guitar frets. It was well made but for clearly a guitarist - heavy strings with robust sound for a concert hall - no compromise. I was playing a 62cm lute at the time and remember the Rubio being longer. hdf chords were a struggle, fbd chords were impossible on it (for me!) DF
