[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
Ha, ha! Haiku guys - you made my day! Magdalena From: Lex van Sante To: lute mailing list list Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 2:46:26 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: On shimming frets. harmonies abound when ye luters fret no more minds will be at ease Op 1 okt 2012, om 20:15 heeft Ron Andrico het volgende geschreven: > Quoting Strunk & White, > The way to better writing: > "Omit needless words." >> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 09:34:10 -0700 >> To: [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> From: [2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: On shimming frets. >> >> >> On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Toby <[3]t...@tobiah.org> wrote: >> >>> Then it would be best >>> That all communication >>> Be done in Haiku >> >> Better for reader >> But for the one who's writing >> It would take too long >> >> >> -- >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > -- References 1. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 3. mailto:t...@tobiah.org 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
harmonies abound when ye luters fret no more minds will be at ease Op 1 okt 2012, om 20:15 heeft Ron Andrico het volgende geschreven: > Quoting Strunk & White, > The way to better writing: > "Omit needless words." >> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 09:34:10 -0700 >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> From: howardpos...@ca.rr.com >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: On shimming frets. >> >> >> On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Toby wrote: >> >>> Then it would be best >>> That all communication >>> Be done in Haiku >> >> Better for reader >> But for the one who's writing >> It would take too long >> >> >> -- >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- >
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
Quoting Strunk & White, The way to better writing: "Omit needless words." > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 09:34:10 -0700 > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: howardpos...@ca.rr.com > Subject: [LUTE] Re: On shimming frets. > > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Toby wrote: > > > Then it would be best > > That all communication > > Be done in Haiku > > Better for reader > But for the one who's writing > It would take too long > > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
C'mon guys, reference a season please. r -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Toby Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 12:36 PM To: howard posner Cc: LuteNet list Subject: [LUTE] Re: On shimming frets. >> Then it would be best >> That all communication >> Be done in Haiku > > Better for reader > But for the one who's writing > It would take too long A side benefit Would be that unworthy thoughts Would remain suppressed To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Toby wrote: > A side benefit > Would be that unworthy thoughts > Would remain suppressed Some listers will find This whole exchange unworthy So I will stop now -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
Then it would be best That all communication Be done in Haiku Better for reader But for the one who's writing It would take too long A side benefit Would be that unworthy thoughts Would remain suppressed To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Toby wrote: > Then it would be best > That all communication > Be done in Haiku Better for reader But for the one who's writing It would take too long -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
On 10/01/2012 09:17 AM, howard posner wrote: On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Toby wrote: Often, mundane thoughts, Tend to appear meaningful When read in Haiku Mundane though they be, Thoughts, when expressed in haiku Are concise, at least Then it would be best That all communication Be done in Haiku To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Toby wrote: > Often, mundane thoughts, > Tend to appear meaningful > When read in Haiku Mundane though they be, Thoughts, when expressed in haiku Are concise, at least -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
Wooden frets fall off, Gut frets also wearing out- Seasons of the lute. Often, mundane thoughts, Tend to appear meaningful When read in Haiku To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
Works fine with singles. Many of us have been doing it for years. My 3rd fret, Baroque lute is on its 2nd rotation. Dan On 10/1/2012 3:10 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: I don't know how this might work with single frets, but with double frets I'm able to ease the fret back towards the nut, rotate it (towards the treble side is best) to bring the old string groove to a position between courses and then ease it back to its original position. The extra degree of elastic extension with double fret loops is clearly an advantage. MH --- On Mon, 1/10/12, Herbert Ward wrote: From: Herbert Ward Subject: [LUTE] On shimming frets. To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 1 October, 2012, 3:23 Some months ago I put shims under my second fret where the strings had worn little U-shaped indentations. At first they worked OK. But as time went on I found it harder and harder keep them adjusted, and this morning it was impossible. I think the reason may be this. If you shim the bottom of the U up to the the correct height, then the string will buzz against the sides of the U when if the plane of vibration happens to be parallel to the fret instead of perpendicular. So, apparently shims may useful with unworn or lightly worn frets, but they are not a solution to deep gouges. Printer paper, 3x5 cards, and business cards all shim with no appreciable loss of sustain. To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
I don't know how this might work with single frets, but with double frets I'm able to ease the fret back towards the nut, rotate it (towards the treble side is best) to bring the old string groove to a position between courses and then ease it back to its original position. The extra degree of elastic extension with double fret loops is clearly an advantage. MH --- On Mon, 1/10/12, Herbert Ward wrote: From: Herbert Ward Subject: [LUTE] On shimming frets. To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 1 October, 2012, 3:23 Some months ago I put shims under my second fret where the strings had worn little U-shaped indentations. At first they worked OK. But as time went on I found it harder and harder keep them adjusted, and this morning it was impossible. I think the reason may be this. If you shim the bottom of the U up to the the correct height, then the string will buzz against the sides of the U when if the plane of vibration happens to be parallel to the fret instead of perpendicular. So, apparently shims may useful with unworn or lightly worn frets, but they are not a solution to deep gouges. Printer paper, 3x5 cards, and business cards all shim with no appreciable loss of sustain. To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
Wooden frets fall off, Gut frets also wearing out- Seasons of the lute. On 9/30/2012 7:23 PM, Herbert Ward wrote: Some months ago I put shims under my second fret where the strings had worn little U-shaped indentations. At first they worked OK. But as time went on I found it harder and harder keep them adjusted, and this morning it was impossible. I think the reason may be this. If you shim the bottom of the U up to the the correct height, then the string will buzz against the sides of the U when if the plane of vibration happens to be parallel to the fret instead of perpendicular. So, apparently shims may useful with unworn or lightly worn frets, but they are not a solution to deep gouges. Printer paper, 3x5 cards, and business cards all shim with no appreciable loss of sustain. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.
I know this is hard- but sometimes ya gotta bite the bullet & replace your frets. I hate it too- but you can get into a sort of rhythm with it, once you've done the first two or so. The 3rd fret on my Baroque is getting real ragged & nasty. Got a job on my own lute coming up real soon. Have you tried pulling the fret back, and rotating the worn spots out from under the strings? I can usually do that about two times before it finally pops. Cannot imagine smooth fingering with anything extraneous on the fingerboard- I've only seen shims on the back of the neck to tighten a good fret that was just a little too loose. Dan On 9/30/2012 7:23 PM, Herbert Ward wrote: Some months ago I put shims under my second fret where the strings had worn little U-shaped indentations. At first they worked OK. But as time went on I found it harder and harder keep them adjusted, and this morning it was impossible. I think the reason may be this. If you shim the bottom of the U up to the the correct height, then the string will buzz against the sides of the U when if the plane of vibration happens to be parallel to the fret instead of perpendicular. So, apparently shims may useful with unworn or lightly worn frets, but they are not a solution to deep gouges. Printer paper, 3x5 cards, and business cards all shim with no appreciable loss of sustain. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
