[LUTE] Re: Reentrant newbie questions

2008-03-25 Thread G. Crona
Its been repeatedly adviced on this forum to try and imagine the neck of the 
instrument as being transparent when looked at from the back of the neck, 
and using this mindtrick to visualize the italian tab. It seems to work 
for some players.


G.


- Original Message - 
From: William Brohinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Any advice for
learning Italian tab for someone used to french tab? I've found that the
physical relation between the strings (high pitched string towards 
gravity)

and Italian tab (high string notated 'down') does me no good.

Ray 




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[LUTE] Re: Reentrant newbie questions

2008-03-25 Thread howard posner
On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:28 AM, William Brohinsky wrote:

 I seek advice and help: On a student's budget, is there a source  
 for scale
 and chord studies, the basics that would make the relations of the  
 strings
 make more sense to someone who has been linear-all-his-life?

Nigel North's book Continuo Playing has about 40 pages specifically  
devoted to the theorbo, including chord charts, exercises, and  
illustrative pieces, including the Kapsberger Toccata Arpeggiata in  
parallel original tablature and figured bass.  The solos are in  
either French or Italian tab, as they were written originally. The  
chord charts and exercises are in French tab.  It will also give you  
an idea of what the useful original sources are.

There's a Minkoff facsimile of Grenerin's Livre de Theorbe (1668),  
which consists mostly of translating figured bass into French tab  
chords, but beware: Grenerin writes as if the re-entrant tuning does  
not exist.

There are PDFs of French theorbo sources (the Hurel Ms, for example)  
on the web.

 Any advice for
 learning Italian tab for someone used to french tab? I've found  
 that the
 physical relation between the strings (high pitched string towards  
 gravity)
 and Italian tab (high string notated 'down') does me no good.

Just do it.  The only way to learn Italian tab is to play Italian  
tab.  It isn't intrinsically any more difficult than French tab.

It's probably a mistake to try learning it at the same time you're  
trying to learn a new tuning.  You should have your brain in one  
frying pan at a time.



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[LUTE] Re: Reentrant newbie questions

2008-03-25 Thread David Tayler


If you are familiar with the ukelele (or the 
machete da braça) and the guitar AND are linear
at the very least consider using single reentrant 
tuning, in the so called A tuning.

your restrung guitar would be
A d g b e' a
This will give you a nice compromise of linear 
and reentrant, whilst preserving some of the 
guitar like features, and you can reuse most of your strings.

When learning the theorbo, don't make things too complicated.
The main thing is to learn simple chords first, 
then chord marks, then bass clef, then simple figures.
French tab will do very nicely for you for the 
time being for some solo pieces, songs, atc. if 
Topsy Turvy Tab Tends To Terrify.

There's enough music in French tab to satisfy even Pacu.

be a good possibilty to learn as well.

Ideally, your course of study should be not from 
a book, which will be the slowest way to learn, but from a good teacher.
I always recommend to study the instrument with a 
lute player and continuo/figured bass from an organist or harpsichordist.


dt








I figured I could at least get a start by changing out the top two strings
of my classical guitar for an A and D string, and tuning them to B and E, an
octave lower than 'usual'. This works pretty well, and I was able to make
sense of Kapsberger's toccata arpeggiata with a fair minimum of twisting my
brain around Italian tab. Up to now, I've been french/english tab
exclusively.

I seek advice and help: On a student's budget, is there a source for scale
and chord studies, the basics that would make the relations of the strings
make more sense to someone who has been linear-all-his-life? Any advice for
learning Italian tab for someone used to french tab? I've found that the
physical relation between the strings (high pitched string towards gravity)
and Italian tab (high string notated 'down') does me no good.

Ray

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