[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
On 6/22/2009, Omer Katzir kome...@gmail.com wrote: I also looked at Arto's stuff, its looks the same thing as I wrote. but i'm not sure how it will sound with a singer. I'll check the other links now. Maybe Arto's paper have the best result with some modification. Thanks Omer! :-) Your mail is practically the _only_ comment - ever! - of my version, which was also my practical performance version that I've used many, many times while accompanying a counter tenor doing this piece. Normally I played my Ritornello in the beginning and between the verses. Usually I did not play the solo after the 4th verse. But we did a very big number of the final phrases... ;-) I have been calling this piece the Italian Eurovision Song Contest Winner of the Year 1624... ;-) And my bass line of the song should be the same as M's original. The continuo numbers are very self made. And BTW, my numbers _above_ the staff indicate my intended _top line_ of the continuo. I guess I have not mentioned that before? Yeah, and my G-minor transpostion ms. of the original D-minor is still in page http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/10_courseLute/ Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Omer Katzirkome...@gmail.com wrote: I saw a video of this piece @ YouTube (can't link right now but it's there) with nice lute intro. Does anyone know where I can find tabs for this piece? I found the voice part with google, but nothing for lute that I could find. It's on the choralwiki with a written out continuo part. Ignore that and make your own. Enjoy. http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/sheet/mont-sid.pdf David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com schrieb: I saw a video of this piece @ YouTube (can't link right now but it's there) with nice lute intro. Does anyone know where I can find tabs for this piece? I found the voice part with google, but nothing for lute that I could find. http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/images/sheet/mont-sid.pdf It's on the choralwiki with a written out continuo part. Ignore that and make your own. Enjoy. Yes, particularly as measure is wrong (G minor instead of B flat major) and all final 4-3 suspensions are left out. -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Mathias Röselmathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: It's on the choralwiki with a written out continuo part. Ignore that and make your own. Enjoy. Yes, particularly as measure is wrong (G minor instead of B flat major) and all final 4-3 suspensions are left out. Which goes to show: you get what you pay for. I never checked. Thanks. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
Mathias Rösel écrit: Yes, particularly as measure is wrong (G minor instead of B flat major) and all final 4-3 suspensions are left out. Not to mention the d sharp m. 14... Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
Also the arranger seems to like extreme paralellism as witnessed by measures 1 to 4 and for instance measure 10 is also very funny. I do not know the piece but Monteverdi surely has nothing to do with this base line, let alone the continuo realisation. Who is Jorge Gaete C. anyway? Lex Op 22 jun 2009, om 11:50 heeft dc het volgende geschreven: Mathias Rösel écrit: Yes, particularly as measure is wrong (G minor instead of B flat major) and all final 4-3 suspensions are left out. Not to mention the d sharp m. 14... Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Lex van Santelvansa...@wanadoo.nl wrote: the continuo realisation. Who is Jorge Gaete C. anyway? Someone kind enough to share his copy of some piano realisation he happens to have with us. But not someone with the knowledge or experience to make a 'proper' continuo part. What you see if what you get, which no doubt is useful to many. It's better to play these pieces from just the bass line, obviously, but usually we can distill one form editions like these, so they can be useful for us, too. David Lex Op 22 jun 2009, om 11:50 heeft dc het volgende geschreven: Mathias Rösel écrit: Yes, particularly as measure is wrong (G minor instead of B flat major) and all final 4-3 suspensions are left out. Not to mention the d sharp m. 14... Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
I haven't had the time (nor inclination) to look at it, but parallels, missing accidentals...sounds highly ' period authentic' to me! Rob 2009/6/22 David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Lex van Sante[2]lvansa...@wanadoo.nl wrote: the continuo realisation. Who is Jorge Gaete C. anyway? Someone kind enough to share his copy of some piano realisation he happens to have with us. But not someone with the knowledge or experience to make a 'proper' continuo part. What you see if what you get, which no doubt is useful to many. It's better to play these pieces from just the bass line, obviously, but usually we can distill one form editions like these, so they can be useful for us, too. David Lex Op 22 jun 2009, om 11:50 heeft dc het volgende geschreven: Mathias Roesel ecrit: Yes, particularly as measure is wrong (G minor instead of B flat major) and all final 4-3 suspensions are left out. Not to mention the d sharp m. 14... Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [5]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:lvansa...@wanadoo.nl 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
What about Rocky Mjos' version on the Early Guitar Ning site? http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/RockyMjos Best, Jelma On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Rob MacKillopluteplay...@googlemail.com wrote: I haven't had the time (nor inclination) to look at it, but parallels, missing accidentals...sounds highly ' period authentic' to me! Rob 2009/6/22 David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Lex van Sante[2]lvansa...@wanadoo.nl wrote: the continuo realisation. Who is Jorge Gaete C. anyway? Someone kind enough to share his copy of some piano realisation he happens to have with us. But not someone with the knowledge or experience to make a 'proper' continuo part. What you see if what you get, which no doubt is useful to many. It's better to play these pieces from just the bass line, obviously, but usually we can distill one form editions like these, so they can be useful for us, too. David Lex Op 22 jun 2009, om 11:50 heeft dc het volgende geschreven: Mathias Roesel ecrit: Yes, particularly as measure is wrong (G minor instead of B flat major) and all final 4-3 suspensions are left out. Not to mention the d sharp m. 14... Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [5]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:lvansa...@wanadoo.nl 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
@David: Of course you are right, I didn't mean to be rude but an arrangement like this is of limited value at best. I am sure you agree with me on that. I feel that if somebody supplies us wth a realised basso continuo at least the bass line should be the original one. The bass line as given by Jorge really doesn't make any sense. Lex Op 22 jun 2009, om 13:22 heeft Jelma van Amersfoort het volgende geschreven: What about Rocky Mjos' version on the Early Guitar Ning site? http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/RockyMjos Best, Jelma On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Rob MacKillopluteplay...@googlemail.com wrote: I haven't had the time (nor inclination) to look at it, but parallels, missing accidentals...sounds highly ' period authentic' to me! Rob 2009/6/22 David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Lex van Sante[2]lvansa...@wanadoo.nl wrote: the continuo realisation. Who is Jorge Gaete C. anyway? Someone kind enough to share his copy of some piano realisation he happens to have with us. But not someone with the knowledge or experience to make a 'proper' continuo part. What you see if what you get, which no doubt is useful to many. It's better to play these pieces from just the bass line, obviously, but usually we can distill one form editions like these, so they can be useful for us, too. David Lex Op 22 jun 2009, om 11:50 heeft dc het volgende geschreven: Mathias Roesel ecrit: Yes, particularly as measure is wrong (G minor instead of B flat major) and all final 4-3 suspensions are left out. Not to mention the d sharp m. 14... Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [5]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:lvansa...@wanadoo.nl 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
I didn't fully understood that version. but i'm going to see everything sent from this group and see my best course of action. I think it was david who recummend something that seems logical to me. I also looked at Arto's stuff, its looks the same thing as I wrote. but i'm not sure how it will sound with a singer. I'll check the other links now. Maybe Arto's paper have the best result with some modification. On Jun 22, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Jelma van Amersfoort wrote: What about Rocky Mjos' version on the Early Guitar Ning site? http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/RockyMjos Best, Jelma On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Rob MacKillopluteplay...@googlemail.com wrote: I haven't had the time (nor inclination) to look at it, but parallels, missing accidentals...sounds highly ' period authentic' to me! Rob 2009/6/22 David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Lex van Sante[2]lvansa...@wanadoo.nl wrote: the continuo realisation. Who is Jorge Gaete C. anyway? Someone kind enough to share his copy of some piano realisation he happens to have with us. But not someone with the knowledge or experience to make a 'proper' continuo part. What you see if what you get, which no doubt is useful to many. It's better to play these pieces from just the bass line, obviously, but usually we can distill one form editions like these, so they can be useful for us, too. David Lex Op 22 jun 2009, om 11:50 heeft dc het volgende geschreven: Mathias Roesel ecrit: Yes, particularly as measure is wrong (G minor instead of B flat major) and all final 4-3 suspensions are left out. Not to mention the d sharp m. 14... Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [5]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:lvansa...@wanadoo.nl 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: So dolce e il tormento for voice+lute
Hi Omer On 6/21/2009, Omer Katzir kome...@gmail.com wrote: I saw a video of this piece @ YouTube (can't link right now but it's there) with nice lute intro. Does anyone know where I can find tabs for this piece? I found the voice part with google, but nothing for lute that I could find. Well, you can find my (transposed) own ms. with a nice intro in http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/10_courseLute/ All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
