[LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs?
Thank you Jan. Sorry to trouble you. That description worked. It looks interesting. I don't think I'll be sight reading from it anytime soon. On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Jan Johansson j...@horseforce.se wrote: Ed, the organ tablature version is in another volume in the Düben collection. Since the lust list machine for some reason corrupts my url:s I will tell you how to get to the tablature through the search pages for the Düben collection. Start at the main page http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php and select DCDC Basic Search Select Buxtehude as Composer and hit Find This will give you a list of all works by Buxtehude in the collection. A bit down in the list you find two lines for Fürchtet euch nicht. VMHS 050:017 is the set of individual parts and VMHS 082:035 is the volume that contains the organ tablature version. If you browse the tablature version you find the piece on page 27-28. Hope this helps /Jan Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs?
Ed, the organ tablature version is in another volume in the Dueben collection. Since the lust list machine for some reason corrupts my url:s I will tell you how to get to the tablature through the search pages for the Dueben collection. Start at the main page http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php and select DCDC Basic Search Select Buxtehude as Composer and hit Find This will give you a list of all works by Buxtehude in the collection. A bit down in the list you find two lines for Fuerchtet euch nicht. VMHS 050:017 is the set of individual parts and VMHS 082:035 is the volume that contains the organ tablature version. If you browse the tablature version you find the piece on page 27-28. Hope this helps /Jan On 29 nov 2012 11:35 Ed Durbrow [1]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp wrote: Thank you Daniel. I thought we were going to see organ tablature. That just looks like lute tab. On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:13 AM, Daniel F. Heiman [2]heiman.dan...@juno.com wrote: I am with you -- the link given in the message below does not function for me either. However, if you work through the search function the part does come up. The link for the page I arrived at looks like: [3]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_Part Select_Dnr)4c ommand=restart Just in case that gets mangled in transmission through the list server, here is a link to the link: [4]http://bit.ly/U2hxmx Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [5]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [6]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 2. mailto:heiman.dan...@juno.com 3. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_Dnr)4c 4. http://bit.ly/U2hxmx 5. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 6. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs?
This still appears corrupt and the page I get has warnings from Apache. The links do not work on that page. This link looks like it works for all the parts: http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource.php?Select_Dnr=294 For some reason the =29 becomes ) in your email. Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Jan Johansson Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 10:21 AM To: 'lute list' Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs? Hi, to get to the full set of parts this is the link http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr)4 It was corrupt in my previous mail /Jan On 23 nov 2012 19:13 Daniel F. Heiman [1]heiman.dan...@juno.com wrote: Ed: I am with you -- the link given in the message below does not function for me either. However, if you work through the search function the part does come up. The link for the page I arrived at looks like: [2]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_Part Select_Dnr)4c ommand=restart Just in case that gets mangled in transmission through the list server, here is a link to the link: [3]http://bit.ly/U2hxmx Greetings, Daniel -Original Message- From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Durbrow Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 03:45 To: lute list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs? I really am curious to see the parts but I've tried several times and can't figure out how to access them. On Nov 22, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Jan Johansson [5]j...@horseforce.se wrote: Hi therobo b.c. fans, Andreas Schlegel was kind enough to direct me to the correct Buxtehude piece, Fuerchtet euch nicht, where we have both the basso continuo parts and a tiorba part (labeled th) written at the end of the 17th century probably by one of the lute players of the Hofkapelle in Stockholm. It can perhaps be interesting to compare the figured bc with the theorbo implementation. Here it is: [6]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr) 4 Regards /Jan -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [8]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [9]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. mailto:heiman.dan...@juno.com 2. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_Dnr)4c 3. http://bit.ly/U2hxmx 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:j...@horseforce.se 6. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 9. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
[LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs?
Hi again, for some reason the link gets incorrect in the mail again, it looks OK when I send it. The final part should look like Select_Dnr)4 (e.g. Select_Dnrequalsign294) Is there any reason that the list machine does not like equalsign? /Jan On 23 nov 2012 19:20 Jan Johansson [1]j...@horseforce.se wrote: Hi, to get to the full set of parts this is the link [2]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr) 4 It was corrupt in my previous mail /Jan On 23 nov 2012 19:13 Daniel F. Heiman [1]heiman.dan...@juno.com wrote: Ed: I am with you -- the link given in the message below does not function for me either. However, if you work through the search function the part does come up. The link for the page I arrived at looks like: [2]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_Part Select_Dnr)4c ommand=restart Just in case that gets mangled in transmission through the list server, here is a link to the link: [3]http://bit.ly/U2hxmx Greetings, Daniel -Original Message- From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Durbrow Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 03:45 To: lute list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs? I really am curious to see the parts but I've tried several times and can't figure out how to access them. On Nov 22, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Jan Johansson [5]j...@horseforce.se wrote: Hi therobo b.c. fans, Andreas Schlegel was kind enough to direct me to the correct Buxtehude piece, Fuerchtet euch nicht, where we have both the basso continuo parts and a tiorba part (labeled th) written at the end of the 17th century probably by one of the lute players of the Hofkapelle in Stockholm. It can perhaps be interesting to compare the figured bc with the theorbo implementation. Here it is: [6]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr) 4 Regards /Jan -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [8]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [9]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. mailto:heiman.dan...@juno.com 2. [3]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_D nr)4c 3. [4]http://bit.ly/U2hxmx 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:j...@horseforce.se 6. [5]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr 7. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. [7]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 9. [8]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. mailto:j...@horseforce.se 2. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr 3. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_Dnr 4. http://bit.ly/U2hxmx 5. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 8. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
[LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs?
Hi therobo b.c. fans, Andreas Schlegel was kind enough to direct me to the correct Buxtehude piece, Fuerchtet euch nicht, where we have both the basso continuo parts and a tiorba part (labeled th) written at the end of the 17th century probably by one of the lute players of the Hofkapelle in Stockholm. It can perhaps be interesting to compare the figured bc with the theorbo implementation. Here it is: http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr)4 Regards /Jan -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs?
Hi Jan and all, Thanks for these links. The pieces from Buxtehude are extremely interesting - I don't think there is any other written out tablature part for theorbo that is so demanding and shows what a professional player might have played (in this style at least). The other cantata you mentioned Herr wenn ich nur dich habe has a basso continuo part in staff notation labelled theorba, as opposed to an almost identical one labelled organo. Both are fully figured, and I don't think there are significant differences in the bass lines. This is good ammunition to use against those who still say that the theorbo should only play the bass in this kind of music! All the best, Sam On 22 November 2012 11:05, Jan Johansson [1]j...@horseforce.se wrote: Hi therobo b.c. fans, Andreas Schlegel was kind enough to direct me to the correct Buxtehude piece, Fuerchtet euch nicht, where we have both the basso continuo parts and a tiorba part (labeled th) written at the end of the 17th century probably by one of the lute players of the Hofkapelle in Stockholm. It can perhaps be interesting to compare the figured bc with the theorbo implementation. Here it is: [2]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr) 4 Regards /Jan -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Sam Chapman Oetlingerstrasse 65 4057 Basel (0041) 79 530 39 91 -- References 1. mailto:j...@horseforce.se 2. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr)4 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs?
Hi Jörg, I suppose Kenneth Spar would be your number one to ask. Checkout his site at www.tabulatura.com Lex Op 20 nov 2012, om 10:17 heeft Hilbert Jörg het volgende geschreven: Does anybody know about nice swedish songs with lute and/or continuo accompaniment? I know Bellman of course, but I am looking for something earlier (1550-1650). Thanks, Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs?
Hi, the Dueben collection contains some works by Gustav Dueben who was Kapellmeister at the Swedish Court from 1663. If you start here http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php then select DCDC Basic Search and select Dueben G from the drop down menu Composer you will get access to some facsimile of what The Old Ones actually played from, among the some pieces for voice and BC written by Gustav Dueben. Lots of good and interesting music in the collection.There is very little tablature bur several parts labelled Liuto or Tiorba. Happy browsing! /Jan Johansson On 20 nov 2012 10:17 Hilbert Joerg [1]hilbert.jo...@t-online.de wrote: Does anybody know about nice swedish songs with lute and/or continuo accompaniment? I know Bellman of course, but I am looking for something earlier (1550-1650). Thanks, Joerg To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs?
Jan I had a look tooand looked at some of the tablature. E.g.: [1]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_Dnrh 8command=restart [2]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_Dnri 2command=restart [3]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?indx=2Select_Dnrq2 I don't recognise it at all. Is it for theorbo? (I've never played theorbo) Stuart On 20 November 2012 16:10, Jan Johansson [4]j...@horseforce.se wrote: Hi, the Dueben collection contains some works by Gustav Dueben who was Kapellmeister at the Swedish Court from 1663. If you start here [5]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php then select DCDC Basic Search and select Dueben G from the drop down menu Composer you will get access to some facsimile of what The Old Ones actually played from, among the some pieces for voice and BC written by Gustav Dueben. Lots of good and interesting music in the collection.There is very little tablature bur several parts labelled Liuto or Tiorba. Happy browsing! /Jan Johansson On 20 nov 2012 10:17 Hilbert Joerg [1][6]hilbert.jo...@t-online.de wrote: Does anybody know about nice swedish songs with lute and/or continuo accompaniment? I know Bellman of course, but I am looking for something earlier (1550-1650). Thanks, Joerg To get on or off this list see list information at [2][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[8]hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 2. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_Dnrh8command=restart 2. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_Dnri2command=restart 3. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?indx=2Select_Dnrq2 4. mailto:j...@horseforce.se 5. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php 6. mailto:hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. mailto:hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs?
What you are looking at is a piece written in German Organ Tablature. Dueben used it as a very compact score representation of the pieces. The letters indicate notes, the horizontal lines indicates octaves, and the figures above the lines indicate time values (a quick-and-dirty explanation). There are several works in the collection where we have both the individual parts and the german organ tablature score. You can search for works that has lute parts by using Scoring, contains lt. An interesting piece is http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr05 for soprano, two viola d'amore and lots(!) of continuo. There are two tablature parts for (as I recall it) something in d-minor tuning, tiorba plus three basso continuo parts. They probably did not write out the parts just for fun, it was probably performed with just that, e.g. soprano, 2 viola d'amore and 6(!) continuo instruments. There is also a piece by Buxtehude (Herr wenn ich nur dich habe) where we have a basso continuo part and a tiorba tablature, very interesting to see what the tiorba player did of the b.c. part. I'll se if I can locate the facsimile of that as well. Actually the Dueben collection is the major source for all Buxtehude's non-organ works. If you have any particular question there is a mail address on the web pages, or you could ask me; I implemented the stuff :-) Happy browsing! /Jan On 20 nov 2012 17:27 WALSH STUART [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: Jan I had a look tooand looked at some of the tablature. E.g.: [2]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_D nrh8command=restart [3]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_D nri2command=restart [4]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?indx=2Select_Dnrq2 I don't recognise it at all. Is it for theorbo? (I've never played theorbo) Stuart On 20 November 2012 16:10, Jan Johansson [5]j...@horseforce.se wrote: Hi, the Dueben collection contains some works by Gustav Dueben who was Kapellmeister at the Swedish Court from 1663. If you start here [6]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php then select DCDC Basic Search and select Dueben G from the drop down menu Composer you will get access to some facsimile of what The Old Ones actually played from, among the some pieces for voice and BC written by Gustav Dueben. Lots of good and interesting music in the collection.There is very little tablature bur several parts labelled Liuto or Tiorba. Happy browsing! /Jan Johansson On 20 nov 2012 10:17 Hilbert Joerg [1]hilbert.jo...@t-online.de wrote: Does anybody know about nice swedish songs with lute and/or continuo accompaniment? I know Bellman of course, but I am looking for something earlier (1550-1650). Thanks, Joerg To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 2. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 2. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_Dnrh8command=restart 3. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_Dnri2command=restart 4. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?indx=2Select_Dnrq2 5. mailto:j...@horseforce.se 6. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Swedish lute songs?
Thank you. Very interesting. Stuart On 20 November 2012 18:44, Jan Johansson [1]j...@horseforce.se wrote: What you are looking at is a piece written in German Organ Tablature. Dueben used it as a very compact score representation of the pieces. The letters indicate notes, the horizontal lines indicates octaves, and the figures above the lines indicate time values (a quick-and-dirty explanation). There are several works in the collection where we have both the individual parts and the german organ tablature score. You can search for works that has lute parts by using Scoring, contains lt. An interesting piece is [2]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr0 5 for soprano, two viola d'amore and lots(!) of continuo. There are two tablature parts for (as I recall it) something in d-minor tuning, tiorba plus three basso continuo parts. They probably did not write out the parts just for fun, it was probably performed with just that, e.g. soprano, 2 viola d'amore and 6(!) continuo instruments. There is also a piece by Buxtehude (Herr wenn ich nur dich habe) where we have a basso continuo part and a tiorba tablature, very interesting to see what the tiorba player did of the b.c. part. I'll se if I can locate the facsimile of that as well. Actually the Dueben collection is the major source for all Buxtehude's non-organ works. If you have any particular question there is a mail address on the web pages, or you could ask me; I implemented the stuff :-) Happy browsing! /Jan On 20 nov 2012 17:27 WALSH STUART [1][3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: Jan I had a look tooand looked at some of the tablature. E.g.: [2][4]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelec t_D nrh8command=restart [3][5]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelec t_D nri2command=restart [4][6]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?indx=2Select_Dnr q2 I don't recognise it at all. Is it for theorbo? (I've never played theorbo) Stuart On 20 November 2012 16:10, Jan Johansson [5][7]j...@horseforce.se wrote: Hi, the Dueben collection contains some works by Gustav Dueben who was Kapellmeister at the Swedish Court from 1663. If you start here [6][8]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php then select DCDC Basic Search and select Dueben G from the drop down menu Composer you will get access to some facsimile of what The Old Ones actually played from, among the some pieces for voice and BC written by Gustav Dueben. Lots of good and interesting music in the collection.There is very little tablature bur several parts labelled Liuto or Tiorba. Happy browsing! /Jan Johansson On 20 nov 2012 10:17 Hilbert Joerg [1][9]hilbert.jo...@t-online.de wrote: Does anybody know about nice swedish songs with lute and/or continuo accompaniment? I know Bellman of course, but I am looking for something earlier (1550-1650). Thanks, Joerg To get on or off this list see list information at [2][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[11]hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 2. [7][12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[13]s.wa...@ntlworld.com 2. [14]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_ Dnrh8command=restart 3. [15]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_ Dnri2command=restart 4. [16]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?indx=2Select_Dnrq2 5. mailto:[17]j...@horseforce.se 6. [18]http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php 7. [19]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:j...@horseforce.se 2. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/presentationSource1.php?Select_Dnr05 3. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 4. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_D 5. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?Select_PartSelect_D 6. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/browsePart.php?indx=2Select_Dnrq2 7. mailto:j...@horseforce.se 8. http://www2.musik.uu.se/duben/Duben.php 9. mailto:hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. mailto:hilbert.jo...@t-online.de 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 13. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 14.
