[LUTE] Re: Unknown piece
Dear All, For what it's worth I can say that it is most definitely not a piece by FdaM from Dd.2.11 - there are only two of them (on.f.16) and I know them well. Neither does it sound like a fantasia to me. It could well be a pavan, not necessarily played as well as might be wished, but so far I don't recognise it. Best wishes, Martin vance wood wrote: I still hold to my opinion; it is an untitled Fantasia, probably by Milano form the Cambridge Manuscript?. You are correct about the Pavan. This piece does not start out like any Pavan I know of, it starts like a Fantasia, a Milano Fantasia. You might want to write to the artists that put together this CD and see if they know, or if they will tell. - Original Message - From: Matteo Turri matteo.o.tu...@googlemail.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Unknown piece The piece comes from the following CD: Rosamund Lute Music Fred Edgar Gilbert Independent Artist Guild VT22560 with music of Dowland, Holborne, Rosseter, Ferrabosco, Daniel, Cutting, Marchant, Bacheler. - english repertoire. Track 18- the piece in question - is entitled Anonymous: Pavan, Ann Markham's However, Ann Markham's Pavan is a piece by Cutting - the score is here: http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Cutting/pdf/markham's_pavan.pdf which does not match the piece in the CD. So, I was just wondering where does this piece come from ... M. On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:18:48 Stewart McCoy wrote: Dear Matteo, Please could you tell us where the music comes from? How do you know it is English? Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matteo Turri Sent: 29 December 2009 05:49 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Unknown piece Sorry, I should have added that it comes from the english repertoire M. On Tuesday 29 December 2009 00:36:55 Matteo Turri wrote: Hi Listers, can anybody tell me the title of this piece: http://sites.google.com/site/dnflclivlianvspfavg/home/temp/unknown.mp3 Many thanks in advance Matteo To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4726 (20091229) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4726 (20091229) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
[LUTE] Re: Unknown piece
If you are talking about DD211, sometimes called the Cambridge Manuscript odds are good it is one of the F.DaMilano Fantasias/Ricercares popular in England. It is most definitely a Fantasy, which in turn could be an intabulation of some chanson. - Original Message - From: Matteo Turri matteo.o.tu...@googlemail.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 12:48 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Unknown piece Sorry, I should have added that it comes from the english repertoire M. On Tuesday 29 December 2009 00:36:55 Matteo Turri wrote: Hi Listers, can anybody tell me the title of this piece: http://sites.google.com/site/dnflclivlianvspfavg/home/temp/unknown.mp3 Many thanks in advance Matteo To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4725 (20091229) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4725 (20091229) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
[LUTE] Re: Unknown piece
I can only offer opinion at this point not as yet having had time to ferret out the piece from the copies of English Manuscripts I have. It is a fact that many of F. DaMilano's compositions found their way into English anthologies such as DD211 and a couple of others. They were of course anglicized in ornamentation but they are Milano's in any case. Does this make them English? No. They are Italian but that does not mean they cannot be found in English sources. In answer to the original question as to what title the piece has; the answered would be none. Very few Fantasias were titled except in cases where the fantasia was based on a known chanson. - Original Message - From: Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: [LUTE] Unknown piece Dear Matteo, Please could you tell us where the music comes from? How do you know it is English? Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matteo Turri Sent: 29 December 2009 05:49 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Unknown piece Sorry, I should have added that it comes from the english repertoire M. On Tuesday 29 December 2009 00:36:55 Matteo Turri wrote: Hi Listers, can anybody tell me the title of this piece: http://sites.google.com/site/dnflclivlianvspfavg/home/temp/unknown.mp3 Many thanks in advance Matteo To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4726 (20091229) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4726 (20091229) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
[LUTE] Re: Unknown piece
The piece comes from the following CD: Rosamund Lute Music Fred Edgar Gilbert Independent Artist Guild VT22560 with music of Dowland, Holborne, Rosseter, Ferrabosco, Daniel, Cutting, Marchant, Bacheler. - english repertoire. Track 18- the piece in question - is entitled Anonymous: Pavan, Ann Markham's However, Ann Markham's Pavan is a piece by Cutting - the score is here: http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Cutting/pdf/markham's_pavan.pdf which does not match the piece in the CD. So, I was just wondering where does this piece come from ... M. On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:18:48 Stewart McCoy wrote: Dear Matteo, Please could you tell us where the music comes from? How do you know it is English? Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matteo Turri Sent: 29 December 2009 05:49 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Unknown piece Sorry, I should have added that it comes from the english repertoire M. On Tuesday 29 December 2009 00:36:55 Matteo Turri wrote: Hi Listers, can anybody tell me the title of this piece: http://sites.google.com/site/dnflclivlianvspfavg/home/temp/unknown.mp3 Many thanks in advance Matteo To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Unknown piece
I still hold to my opinion; it is an untitled Fantasia, probably by Milano form the Cambridge Manuscript?. You are correct about the Pavan. This piece does not start out like any Pavan I know of, it starts like a Fantasia, a Milano Fantasia. You might want to write to the artists that put together this CD and see if they know, or if they will tell. - Original Message - From: Matteo Turri matteo.o.tu...@googlemail.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Unknown piece The piece comes from the following CD: Rosamund Lute Music Fred Edgar Gilbert Independent Artist Guild VT22560 with music of Dowland, Holborne, Rosseter, Ferrabosco, Daniel, Cutting, Marchant, Bacheler. - english repertoire. Track 18- the piece in question - is entitled Anonymous: Pavan, Ann Markham's However, Ann Markham's Pavan is a piece by Cutting - the score is here: http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Cutting/pdf/markham's_pavan.pdf which does not match the piece in the CD. So, I was just wondering where does this piece come from ... M. On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:18:48 Stewart McCoy wrote: Dear Matteo, Please could you tell us where the music comes from? How do you know it is English? Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matteo Turri Sent: 29 December 2009 05:49 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Unknown piece Sorry, I should have added that it comes from the english repertoire M. On Tuesday 29 December 2009 00:36:55 Matteo Turri wrote: Hi Listers, can anybody tell me the title of this piece: http://sites.google.com/site/dnflclivlianvspfavg/home/temp/unknown.mp3 Many thanks in advance Matteo To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4726 (20091229) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4726 (20091229) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
[LUTE] Re: Unknown piece
It sounds very much like something Milan would have written. I would have liked to have heard the rest of it, the only way to be sure. It was probably written around 1535 or there about. F.DaMilano is also an outside possibility due to the contrapuntal structure but again the sample is too small. I am sure someone here is familiar with it. - Original Message - From: Matteo Turri matteo.o.tu...@googlemail.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: [LUTE] Unknown piece Hi Listers, can anybody tell me the title of this piece: http://sites.google.com/site/dnflclivlianvspfavg/home/temp/unknown.mp3 Many thanks in advance Matteo To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4723 (20091228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4723 (20091228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
