[LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning
"Geistlich" means "sacred" regards Thomas Dear Roland, Are you saying that Reusner's arrangements are just accompaniments? That the melody is not there? I like these pieces but don't know anything about them Please excuse my ignorance, but what does 'geistliche' mean in English? Cheers, Rob [1]www.rmguitar.info -Original Message- From: Roland Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2008 14:45 To: damian dlugolecki; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning Some hymns as well, e.g., Reusner's hundert geistliche melodien for voice and 11 c. No mensural notation for the voice, you're expected to know the hymn or use another source. -Original Message- From: damian dlugolecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:30 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] airs for lute in d minor tuning It has always seemed odd to me that the publication of airs de cour with lute accompaniment ceased with the emerging popularity of the d minor tuning. A case has already been made that the d minor tuned lute was used for continuo. And airs for various operas and ballets continued to be created. Can anyone tell me if there were songs published with the new tuning, or if not, why not? Damian -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/www.rmguitar.info 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning
"Roland Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > It has been a while since I looked at these pieces but as I recall the > melody was missing in the ones we performed. R. Some performers may have been astray by the idea that broken style means broken chords. Yet what is broken is the melody. Reusner adapted plain chant to French lute playing fashion. That's why it may be difficult to recognize some of the hymns which Reusner arranged for the lute, especially if a tune has slightly been altered by now (most often, rhythm is affected). Mathias > -Original Message- > From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:53 AM > To: Roland Hayes; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning > > Dear Roland, > > Are you saying that Reusner's arrangements are just accompaniments? That > the melody is not there? I like these pieces but don't know anything > about them > > Please excuse my ignorance, but what does 'geistliche' mean in English? > > Cheers, > > Rob > > www.rmguitar.info > > > -Original Message- > From: Roland Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 January 2008 14:45 > To: damian dlugolecki; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning > > Some hymns as well, e.g., Reusner's hundert geistliche melodien for > voice and 11 c. No mensural notation for the voice, you're expected to > know the hymn or use another source. > > -Original Message- > From: damian dlugolecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:30 PM > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] airs for lute in d minor tuning > > It has always seemed odd to me that the publication of airs de cour with > lute accompaniment ceased with the emerging popularity of the d minor > tuning. A case has already been made that the d minor tuned lute was > used for continuo. And airs for various operas and ballets continued to > be created. Can anyone tell me if there were songs published with the > new tuning, or if not, why not? > > Damian > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > -- Viele Grüße Mathias Homepage der Kirchengemeinde St. Pauli: http://www.kirche-bremen.de/gemeinden/25_st_pauli/25_st_pauli http://www.bremen.de/sixcms/detail.php?id=335529 http://mathiasroesel.livejournal.com http://www.myspace.com/mathiasroesel http://de.geocities.com/mathiasroesel
[LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning
It has been a while since I looked at these pieces but as I recall the melody was missing in the ones we performed. R. -Original Message- From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:53 AM To: Roland Hayes; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning Dear Roland, Are you saying that Reusner's arrangements are just accompaniments? That the melody is not there? I like these pieces but don't know anything about them Please excuse my ignorance, but what does 'geistliche' mean in English? Cheers, Rob www.rmguitar.info -Original Message- From: Roland Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2008 14:45 To: damian dlugolecki; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning Some hymns as well, e.g., Reusner's hundert geistliche melodien for voice and 11 c. No mensural notation for the voice, you're expected to know the hymn or use another source. -Original Message- From: damian dlugolecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:30 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] airs for lute in d minor tuning It has always seemed odd to me that the publication of airs de cour with lute accompaniment ceased with the emerging popularity of the d minor tuning. A case has already been made that the d minor tuned lute was used for continuo. And airs for various operas and ballets continued to be created. Can anyone tell me if there were songs published with the new tuning, or if not, why not? Damian -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning
Hi Rob, this arrangements can be played solo, as the melody is there in all of them. It is easier if you know it, but I would say any musician will be able to get it without knowing these tunes ;-). For sure Reusners pieces can be used for accompaigning, but this is only a possibility, as mentioned in the foreword. Best Markus Rob schrieb: Dear Roland, Are you saying that Reusner's arrangements are just accompaniments? That the melody is not there? I like these pieces but don't know anything about them Please excuse my ignorance, but what does 'geistliche' mean in English? Cheers, Rob www.rmguitar.info -Original Message- From: Roland Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2008 14:45 To: damian dlugolecki; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning Some hymns as well, e.g., Reusner's hundert geistliche melodien for voice and 11 c. No mensural notation for the voice, you're expected to know the hymn or use another source. -Original Message- From: damian dlugolecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:30 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] airs for lute in d minor tuning It has always seemed odd to me that the publication of airs de cour with lute accompaniment ceased with the emerging popularity of the d minor tuning. A case has already been made that the d minor tuned lute was used for continuo. And airs for various operas and ballets continued to be created. Can anyone tell me if there were songs published with the new tuning, or if not, why not? Damian -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning
Zitat von Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Please excuse my ignorance, but what does 'geistliche' mean in English? > Rob > It means "sacred" or "spiritual". "sacred melodies" A decent online dictionary is http://dict.leo.org, albeit in German. g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning
Dear Roland, Are you saying that Reusner's arrangements are just accompaniments? That the melody is not there? I like these pieces but don't know anything about them Please excuse my ignorance, but what does 'geistliche' mean in English? Cheers, Rob www.rmguitar.info -Original Message- From: Roland Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2008 14:45 To: damian dlugolecki; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning Some hymns as well, e.g., Reusner's hundert geistliche melodien for voice and 11 c. No mensural notation for the voice, you're expected to know the hymn or use another source. -Original Message- From: damian dlugolecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:30 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] airs for lute in d minor tuning It has always seemed odd to me that the publication of airs de cour with lute accompaniment ceased with the emerging popularity of the d minor tuning. A case has already been made that the d minor tuned lute was used for continuo. And airs for various operas and ballets continued to be created. Can anyone tell me if there were songs published with the new tuning, or if not, why not? Damian -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning
Some hymns as well, e.g., Reusner's hundert geistliche melodien for voice and 11 c. No mensural notation for the voice, you're expected to know the hymn or use another source. -Original Message- From: damian dlugolecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:30 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] airs for lute in d minor tuning It has always seemed odd to me that the publication of airs de cour with lute accompaniment ceased with the emerging popularity of the d minor tuning. A case has already been made that the d minor tuned lute was used for continuo. And airs for various operas and ballets continued to be created. Can anyone tell me if there were songs published with the new tuning, or if not, why not? Damian -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning
Kremberg, Beyer, some in Augsburg Ms, but most in http://polyhymnion.org/lieder/german.html RT - Original Message - From: "damian dlugolecki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:30 PM Subject: [LUTE] airs for lute in d minor tuning It has always seemed odd to me that the publication of airs de cour with lute accompaniment ceased with the emerging popularity of the d minor tuning. A case has already been made that the d minor tuned lute was used for continuo. And airs for various operas and ballets continued to be created. Can anyone tell me if there were songs published with the new tuning, or if not, why not? Damian -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
