[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
Send it over. I'll see to it. RA > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:18:21 + > To: Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: s.wa...@ntlworld.com > Subject: [LUTE] anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands? > > I've looked at David Van Edwards' diagram a million times. There's a > youtube video of someone putting frets on lute: I've watched it many times. > > I just cannot do it... and never have been able to. I don't understand > the knot and I don't understand the method. I've got masking tape > plastered all over the place and the frets are still loose and buzzing. > > Oddly I can do double frets with nylon but I don't want them on a decent > lute. A famed maker in North London quickly re-fretted my lute in about > 10 minutes a couple of years ago but he doesn't reply to emails and > obviously can't be bothered with such menial work. My lute is currently > unplayable. > > Anyone know anyone who would do it? > > > Stuart > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
I'll do it for you in 15 - 20 minutes. Might take an hour to coach you on doing it properly yourself. It's just a matter of repetition & practice (like learning to play the lute or some such thing.) I am nowhere near any part of London, somewhat west of that area- just about 20 miles from New Albion (Point Reyes, California- the first name courtesy of Sir Francis Drake). If you can do double frets in nylon, I don't understand why you can't do the same in gut? Nylon is a much slipperier & more stubborn beast to handle. Double frets were the standard for most lutes throughout it's first 350 or so years. Dan On 3/11/2013 2:18 PM, WALSH STUART wrote: I've looked at David Van Edwards' diagram a million times. There's a youtube video of someone putting frets on lute: I've watched it many times. I just cannot do it... and never have been able to. I don't understand the knot and I don't understand the method. I've got masking tape plastered all over the place and the frets are still loose and buzzing. Oddly I can do double frets with nylon but I don't want them on a decent lute. A famed maker in North London quickly re-fretted my lute in about 10 minutes a couple of years ago but he doesn't reply to emails and obviously can't be bothered with such menial work. My lute is currently unplayable. Anyone know anyone who would do it? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
Hi Stuart, The Lute Society has a list of makers on its website, many of whom are 'happy to do remedial work on badly set-up lutes', which sounds like what's needed. Reading through this list was a good memory jog for me, both in terms of established luthiers and newer ones: [1]http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/makers Good luck in your quest! Best regards, Bill PS I have sometimes put a little wooden wedge under loose frets at the back of the neck, out of the way of my thumb. It's a temporary measure but it can last a good long time. PPS I have found that gut slackens in dry conditions (central heating and so on) and tightens when humid. A wipe with a slightly damp cloth, then leaving it for a while, can sometimes work wonders. -- References 1. http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/makers To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
This knot works very fine, and it´s easy, really easy to realize! try it! w. Original-Nachricht > Datum: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:08:23 + > Von: Peter Martin > An: WALSH STUART > CC: lutelist Net > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South > Midlands? >These are the instructions that I use - clear, and with pictures! > >[1]http://www.wadsworth-lutes.co.uk/frets.htm > >Peter >On 11 March 2013 21:18, WALSH STUART <[2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > I've looked at David Van Edwards' diagram a million times. There's a > youtube video of someone putting frets on lute: I've watched it many > times. > I just cannot do it... and never have been able to. I don't > understand the knot and I don't understand the method. I've got > masking tape plastered all over the place and the frets are still > loose and buzzing. > Oddly I can do double frets with nylon but I don't want them on a > decent lute. A famed maker in North London quickly re-fretted my > lute in about 10 minutes a couple of years ago but he doesn't reply > to emails and obviously can't be bothered with such menial work. My > lute is currently unplayable. > Anyone know anyone who would do it? > Stuart > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >-- >Peter Martin >84 Victoria Terrace >Stafford >ST16 3HA >tel: 01785 223722 >mob: 07971 232614 >[4]peter.l...@gmail.com > >-- > > References > >1. http://www.wadsworth-lutes.co.uk/frets.htm >2. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com >3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >4. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com >
[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
Many, many thanks to all who have offered help, suggestions, sent links, sent photos - and even a video! Just tried again to put a fret on and still no luck. I'm just making the same mistake(s) over and over again now. I'll get someone to show me how to do it. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
Still one opinion: I like and prefer the knot that David vE shows as the 2nd alternative in his page http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/fretknot.htm I learned that knot from my old lute teacher Leif Karlson, student of Michael Shaeffer. Very strong and reliable knot! Perhaps that will work? Arto On 12/03/13 21:35, WALSH STUART wrote: Many, many thanks to all who have offered help, suggestions, sent links, sent photos - and even a video! Just tried again to put a fret on and still no luck. I'm just making the same mistake(s) over and over again now. I'll get someone to show me how to do it. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
Stuart, I once went nuts trying to do this - I couldn't figure out why the knot would not hold, even though I was following the instructions faithfully. Eventually it occurred to me that it could be due to my fret material. I was using varnished/smooth string gut. I tried again after lightly sanding it to roughen it, and the problem was solved. Miles On 2013-03-12, at 3:35 PM, WALSH STUART wrote: > Many, many thanks to all who have offered help, suggestions, sent links, sent > photos - and even a video! Just tried again to put a fret on and still no > luck. I'm just making the same mistake(s) over and over again now. I'll get > someone to show me how to do it. > > Stuart > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
I agree with Arto. Just one loop to tie and that's it - about as simple as you can get. Ned On Mar 12, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Arto Wikla wrote: > > Still one opinion: I like and prefer the knot that David vE shows as the 2nd > alternative in his page > http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/fretknot.htm > I learned that knot from my old lute teacher Leif Karlson, student of Michael > Shaeffer. > Very strong and reliable knot! Perhaps that will work? > > Arto > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
I think we have to do an intervention. Everyone on the lute list meets at Stuart's house with several miles of guts, a few dozen bare naked lute necks, and several cases of strong IPA. Come Hell or high water, his lute WILL GET FRETTED! And nobody leaves sober. Dan- (fret gut, clippers, pliers & blowtorches packed & ready to go.) On 3/12/2013 12:35 PM, WALSH STUART wrote: Many, many thanks to all who have offered help, suggestions, sent links, sent photos - and even a video! Just tried again to put a fret on and still no luck. I'm just making the same mistake(s) over and over again now. I'll get someone to show me how to do it. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
Interesting. I actually enjoy "Tying one on". ed At 06:17 PM 3/12/2013, howard posner wrote: >This whole thread reminds me of an LSA Seminar course of some sort >in which Pat O'Brien remarked that changing frets was an easy task, >"but some players will SELL THE INSTRUMENT rather than change the >frets." He mentioned Nigel North. > >On Mar 12, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: > > > I think we have to do an intervention. Everyone on the lute list > meets at Stuart's house with several miles of guts, a few dozen > bare naked lute necks, and several cases of strong IPA. Come Hell > or high water, his lute WILL GET FRETTED! And nobody leaves sober. > >Hazardous for those of us who will have to drive home to California. > >But I'd love to see what lute fretted by several hundred drunks >would be like. Really, really, mean tone I suppose. > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin
[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
HP> changing frets was an easy task, "but some players will SELL THE INSTRUMENT rather than change the frets. There is a constant learning process during the tying of the first 3 frets which leads to a triumphant sailoresque mastery of knothood. Let's open a beer to celebrate that. At the fifth fret I wasn't sure anymore how the knot has to be, at the seventh I set the lute on fire while trying to burn the gut from the wrong direction. It is also possible to push up the loose frets to the next higher position in order to tighten them and then saw off the unused part of the neck, I believe. I took up the oud. best wishes B To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Bernd Haegemann wrote: > There is a constant learning process during the tying of the first 3 frets > which leads to a triumphant sailoresque mastery of knothood. I'm living proof that it leads to no such mastery. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re : [LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?
Miles, next time you come over, I want you to show me the special trick Claude Guibord has to tie his frets and get them on really tightEnvoyé depuis mon HTC- Reply message -De : "Miles Dempster" <miles.demps...@gmail.com>Pour : "lutelist Net" <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>Objet : [LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?Date : mar., mars 12, 2013 15:50Stuart,I once went nuts trying to do this - I couldn't figure out why the knot would not hold, even though I was following the instructions faithfully.Eventually it occurred to me that it could be due to my fret material. I was using varnished/smooth string gut. I tried again after lightly sanding it to roughen it, and the problem was solved.MilesOn 2013-03-12, at 3:35 PM, WALSH STUART wrote:> Many, many thanks to all who have offered help, suggestions, sent links, sent photos &! nbsp;- and even a video! Just tried again to put a fret on and still no luck. I'm just making the same mistake(s) over and over again now. I'll get someone to show me how to do it.> > Stuart> > > > To get on or off this list see list information at> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
