[LUTE] Re: gut string, etc.
Just as side note to this,A the ban appears to be European and not
just Italian.A Mad cow disease in europe led to this ban, which
ultimately led to the closing of SOFRACOB.A The ban appears to have
been lifted in certain instances, such as for sausage casing in France.
Obviously the lobbying of sausage makers is more important than that of
gut string makers...
A
Bruno
A
A
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Orphenica <[1]wer...@orphenica.de>
wrote:
Hi collective lute wisdom,
can somebody sum up the situation on gut strings for me. As I am a
heavy gut player, I'd like to
understand what is going on in this field.
As far as I understood it, the production and import of gut strings
(esp. beef gut) used to be forbidden in the EU,
due to cases of BSE some years ago. This jurisdiction has been
withdrawn and production is allowed again, with the exception of
Italy which missed to cancel the abolition from the national Italian
body of law.
Aquila stopped the production of gut strings due to this national
Italian jurisdiction AND/OR because it could not get raw material of
sufficient quality, because of import restrictions.
As I read from the post here on the lists, production in other
countries do not seem to be problematic
If this is the case, petitions addressed to the EU are quite
useless, petitions should be adressed to the Italian government. I
am inclined to sign any petition that keeps the production of gut
strings going, but I am not
quite sure, WHAT is the real nature of the problem.
It would be nice if somebody kindly could sum up the situation for
me.
Thanks
A we
Am 19.11.11 16:53, schrieb William Samson:
A A Hi Garry,
A A Talking of "lip smacking good", there was stuff in Nelson's
navy called
A A 'portable soup' that was made by boiling a vat of soup until it
A A attained the consistency of thick hide glue, then letting it
cool. A It
A A was broken into slabs that could be re-constituted by the
addition of
A A hot water. A I wouldn't be surprised if it was
indistinguishable from
A A hide glue. A On the other hand, the sailors enjoyed it - but
then I
A A suppose it was nice compared to weevilly biscuits and salt beef
that
A A had circled the globe several times. A Also they wouldn't have
lived
A A long enough for the prions to take effect.
A A Bill
A A From: Garry Warber<[2]garrywar...@hughes.net>
A A To: [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
A A Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 13:09
A A Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, etc.
A A William,
A A Hey, welcome to the mindset in the states... A We are not known
as
A A "yanks" for nothing. :-) A You are right, "loose lips sink
ships", more
A A or less. A Of course, there is that prions not being harmed by
cooking
A A thing. A But as far as I know, only one guy here thinks hide
glue is
A A "lip-smacking good!" :-)+LOL...
A A Garry
A A -Original Message- From: William Samson
A A Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 3:18 AM
A A To: [1][4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
A A Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, etc.
A A A - Forwarded Message -
A A A From: William Samson<[2][5]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
A A A To: Garry Warber<[3][6]garrywar...@hughes.net>
A A A Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 8:12
A A A Subject: Re: [LUTE] gut string, etc.
A A A >>Is hide glue now also banned in the EU?
A A A SHHH A I hope none of these Eurocrats is reading this
list!!!
A A A This'll give them the opportunity to appoint dozens more
overpaid
A A A officials who get bonuses for imposing bans and senseless
rules and
A A A regulations. A Remember the 'straight banana' fiasco? A Now
they are
A A A denying they ever tried to ban curved ones . . .
A A A Still, the great thing about hide glue is that you can make
your own
A A by
A A A boiling up roadkill in a secret location where the thought
police
A A can't
A A A find you.
A A A Bill
A A A PS A Orwell's '1984' was a long time coming, but it's with
us now -
A A A metrication, never ending wars, three political blocs (take
your
A A pick),
A A A 'Newspeak', CCTV cameras everywhere, political correctness .
. .
A A A PPS A Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean . . .
AARRRGGGHHH
A A A --
A A To get on or off this list see list information at
A A [4][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/ind
[LUTE] Re: gut string, etc.
Hi collective lute wisdom,
can somebody sum up the situation on gut strings for me. As I am a heavy
gut player, I'd like to
understand what is going on in this field.
As far as I understood it, the production and import of gut strings
(esp. beef gut) used to be forbidden in the EU,
due to cases of BSE some years ago. This jurisdiction has been withdrawn
and production is allowed again, with the exception of Italy which
missed to cancel the abolition from the national Italian body of law.
Aquila stopped the production of gut strings due to this national
Italian jurisdiction AND/OR because it could not get raw material of
sufficient quality, because of import restrictions.
As I read from the post here on the lists, production in other countries
do not seem to be problematic
If this is the case, petitions addressed to the EU are quite useless,
petitions should be adressed to the Italian government. I am inclined to
sign any petition that keeps the production of gut strings going, but I
am not
quite sure, WHAT is the real nature of the problem.
It would be nice if somebody kindly could sum up the situation for me.
Thanks
we
Am 19.11.11 16:53, schrieb William Samson:
Hi Garry,
Talking of "lip smacking good", there was stuff in Nelson's navy called
'portable soup' that was made by boiling a vat of soup until it
attained the consistency of thick hide glue, then letting it cool. It
was broken into slabs that could be re-constituted by the addition of
hot water. I wouldn't be surprised if it was indistinguishable from
hide glue. On the other hand, the sailors enjoyed it - but then I
suppose it was nice compared to weevilly biscuits and salt beef that
had circled the globe several times. Also they wouldn't have lived
long enough for the prions to take effect.
Bill
From: Garry Warber
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 13:09
Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, etc.
William,
Hey, welcome to the mindset in the states... We are not known as
"yanks" for nothing. :-) You are right, "loose lips sink ships", more
or less. Of course, there is that prions not being harmed by cooking
thing. But as far as I know, only one guy here thinks hide glue is
"lip-smacking good!" :-)+LOL...
Garry
-Original Message- From: William Samson
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 3:18 AM
To: [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, etc.
- Forwarded Message -
From: William Samson<[2]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Garry Warber<[3]garrywar...@hughes.net>
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 8:12
Subject: Re: [LUTE] gut string, etc.
>>Is hide glue now also banned in the EU?
SHHH I hope none of these Eurocrats is reading this list!!!
This'll give them the opportunity to appoint dozens more overpaid
officials who get bonuses for imposing bans and senseless rules and
regulations. Remember the 'straight banana' fiasco? Now they are
denying they ever tried to ban curved ones . . .
Still, the great thing about hide glue is that you can make your own
by
boiling up roadkill in a secret location where the thought police
can't
find you.
Bill
PS Orwell's '1984' was a long time coming, but it's with us now -
metrication, never ending wars, three political blocs (take your
pick),
'Newspeak', CCTV cameras everywhere, political correctness . . .
PPS Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean . . . AARRRGGGHHH
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[LUTE] Re: gut string, etc.
Hi Garry, Talking of "lip smacking good", there was stuff in Nelson's navy called 'portable soup' that was made by boiling a vat of soup until it attained the consistency of thick hide glue, then letting it cool. It was broken into slabs that could be re-constituted by the addition of hot water. I wouldn't be surprised if it was indistinguishable from hide glue. On the other hand, the sailors enjoyed it - but then I suppose it was nice compared to weevilly biscuits and salt beef that had circled the globe several times. Also they wouldn't have lived long enough for the prions to take effect. Bill From: Garry Warber To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 13:09 Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, etc. William, Hey, welcome to the mindset in the states... We are not known as "yanks" for nothing. :-) You are right, "loose lips sink ships", more or less. Of course, there is that prions not being harmed by cooking thing. But as far as I know, only one guy here thinks hide glue is "lip-smacking good!" :-)+LOL... Garry -Original Message- From: William Samson Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 3:18 AM To: [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, etc. - Forwarded Message - From: William Samson <[2]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> To: Garry Warber <[3]garrywar...@hughes.net> Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 8:12 Subject: Re: [LUTE] gut string, etc. >>Is hide glue now also banned in the EU? SHHH I hope none of these Eurocrats is reading this list!!! This'll give them the opportunity to appoint dozens more overpaid officials who get bonuses for imposing bans and senseless rules and regulations. Remember the 'straight banana' fiasco? Now they are denying they ever tried to ban curved ones . . . Still, the great thing about hide glue is that you can make your own by boiling up roadkill in a secret location where the thought police can't find you. Bill PS Orwell's '1984' was a long time coming, but it's with us now - metrication, never ending wars, three political blocs (take your pick), 'Newspeak', CCTV cameras everywhere, political correctness . . . PPS Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean . . . AARRRGGGHHH -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 3. mailto:garrywar...@hughes.net 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: gut string, etc.
Next, they'll be banning leather shoes! Probably not, since politicians wear leather shoes. The thing to do is to train some politicians to play lutes. AJP -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Garry Warber Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 12:04 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] gut string, etc. --=_NextPart_001_0004_01CCA64E.C460A630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I’m finding the banned gut string thing odd... Is hide glue now also banned in the EU? There has to be more to this than spongiform/scabies... All this just because mankind made carnivores out of herbivores, cannibals actually, in the name of cheap animal feed. As a specie, we are insane, aren’t we... But best not go there this late at night. Garry --=_NextPart_001_0004_01CCA64E.C460A630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I’m finding the banned gut string thing odd... Is hide glue now also banned in the EU? There has to be more to this than spongiform/scabies... All this just because mankind made carnivores out of herbivores, cannibals actually, in the name of cheap animal feed. As a specie, we are insane, aren’t we... But best not go there this late at night. Garry --=_NextPart_001_0004_01CCA64E.C460A630-- -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: gut string, etc.
William, Hey, welcome to the mindset in the states... We are not known as "yanks" for nothing. :-) You are right, "loose lips sink ships", more or less. Of course, there is that prions not being harmed by cooking thing. But as far as I know, only one guy here thinks hide glue is "lip-smacking good!" :-)+LOL... Garry -Original Message- From: William Samson Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 3:18 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: gut string, etc. - Forwarded Message - From: William Samson To: Garry Warber Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 8:12 Subject: Re: [LUTE] gut string, etc. >>Is hide glue now also banned in the EU? SHHH I hope none of these Eurocrats is reading this list!!! This'll give them the opportunity to appoint dozens more overpaid officials who get bonuses for imposing bans and senseless rules and regulations. Remember the 'straight banana' fiasco? Now they are denying they ever tried to ban curved ones . . . Still, the great thing about hide glue is that you can make your own by boiling up roadkill in a secret location where the thought police can't find you. Bill PS Orwell's '1984' was a long time coming, but it's with us now - metrication, never ending wars, three political blocs (take your pick), 'Newspeak', CCTV cameras everywhere, political correctness . . . PPS Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean . . . AARRRGGGHHH -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: gut string, etc.
- Forwarded Message - From: William Samson To: Garry Warber Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 8:12 Subject: Re: [LUTE] gut string, etc. >>Is hide glue now also banned in the EU? SHHH I hope none of these Eurocrats is reading this list!!! This'll give them the opportunity to appoint dozens more overpaid officials who get bonuses for imposing bans and senseless rules and regulations. Remember the 'straight banana' fiasco? Now they are denying they ever tried to ban curved ones . . . Still, the great thing about hide glue is that you can make your own by boiling up roadkill in a secret location where the thought police can't find you. Bill PS Orwell's '1984' was a long time coming, but it's with us now - metrication, never ending wars, three political blocs (take your pick), 'Newspeak', CCTV cameras everywhere, political correctness . . . PPS Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean . . . AARRRGGGHHH -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
