[LUTE] Re: ok...need some more help...
I bought Django and ran it under Virtual Windows. It seems to do everything, but as usual with such programs there is quite a learning curve, plus the whole Windows thing to learn. I haven't used it for a year or two so maybe Roman or others would be better able to offer comments on it. I also got Harmony Assistant which is very Mac friendly and has defaults for many kinds of tabs. It is much easier to use but still is a PIA if you are like me and only use these things every few months so that you forget everything you learned the last time you used the program. I put in a decent lute font and I've been pretty happy with it. The HA online community is helpful. The programmers read the forums and get back to you pretty quickly, and you cannot beat the price. Best is you can use it in demo mode for as long as you like to see if you like it or not. HTH On Nov 25, 2008, at 10:48 PM, Omer katzir wrote: For the past few weeks I'm trying to write,tabs. becuase I'm a mac user, i pretty much have nothing... I can use Finale 2009, Sibelius 5 or Guitar pro. but they all pretty much the same bad thing. I can run XP, but: Fronimo: Can't save (and don't have money to buy...) Django (same as above) I haven't tried the app by Cripps yet, it's really hard for me to work at a terminal environment right now (sick as a little puppy) I need it both for lute and maybe a voice or two. for now i use Finale, but it's really really make me even sicker! Any help or advice or maybe some pills will be great... Omer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
[LUTE] Re: ok...need some more help...
You have Finale and Sibelius and can't afford Fronimo or Django? Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring IT Business Solutions Division Tel.: +49 211-5296-355 Fax.: +49 211-5296-405 SMTP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Omer katzir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 2:49 PM To: lute-cs. dartmouth. edu Subject: [LUTE] ok...need some more help... For the past few weeks I'm trying to write,tabs. becuase I'm a mac user, i pretty much have nothing... I can use Finale 2009, Sibelius 5 or Guitar pro. but they all pretty much the same bad thing. I can run XP, but: Fronimo: Can't save (and don't have money to buy...) Django (same as above) I haven't tried the app by Cripps yet, it's really hard for me to work at a terminal environment right now (sick as a little puppy) I need it both for lute and maybe a voice or two. for now i use Finale, but it's really really make me even sicker! Any help or advice or maybe some pills will be great... Omer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH Hansaallee 181 - 40549 Duesseldorf - Germany Phone: +49 (211) 5296-0 - Fax: +49 (211) 5296-400 Handelsregister Duesseldorf HRB 22487 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Hitoshi Otsuka Amtsgericht Duesseldorf
[LUTE] Re: ok...need some more help...
If I had Sibelius and Finale, I don't think I'd be able to afford much more either... Alan From: Spring, aus dem, Rainer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/11/27 Thu PM 02:06:45 GMT To: lute-cs. dartmouth. edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: ok...need some more help... You have Finale and Sibelius and can't afford Fronimo or Django? Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring IT Business Solutions Division Tel.: +49 211-5296-355 Fax.: +49 211-5296-405 SMTP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Omer katzir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 2:49 PM To: lute-cs. dartmouth. edu Subject: [LUTE] ok...need some more help... For the past few weeks I'm trying to write,tabs. becuase I'm a mac user, i pretty much have nothing... I can use Finale 2009, Sibelius 5 or Guitar pro. but they all pretty much the same bad thing. I can run XP, but: Fronimo: Can't save (and don't have money to buy...) Django (same as above) I haven't tried the app by Cripps yet, it's really hard for me to work at a terminal environment right now (sick as a little puppy) I need it both for lute and maybe a voice or two. for now i use Finale, but it's really really make me even sicker! Any help or advice or maybe some pills will be great... Omer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH Hansaallee 181 - 40549 Duesseldorf - Germany Phone: +49 (211) 5296-0 - Fax: +49 (211) 5296-400 Handelsregister Duesseldorf HRB 22487 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Hitoshi Otsuka Amtsgericht Duesseldorf - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam
[LUTE] Re: ok...need some more help...
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the past few weeks I'm trying to write,tabs. becuase I'm a mac user, i pretty much have nothing... I can use Finale 2009, Sibelius 5 or Guitar pro. but they all pretty much the same bad thing. I'd say you have pretty much everything, and pretty much the same best thing, as both Finale and Sibelius are expensive packages for professional engraving, allowing much, much tweaking. Neither was designed with lute tablature in mind, but both are capable of doing a good job, if you are willing to put in some effort. I'm on Finale, and after the steep learning curve it allows me all the freedom I need. There are some basic problems to solve, like you must decide how to notate diapassons and whether to accept Finale's proposed rhythm signs or find another solution like a separate rhythm staff. Rocky Mjos makes beautiful editions of baroque guitar tablatures with Finale. I know many people find Sibelius easier to learn. If you're only interested in lute tablature, I suggest not paying the next upgrade of either of the above software packages you already have, and buying a licence for one of the lute tablature dedicated programs like Fronimo or Django. People seem to be happy with those. Of course, putting in the effort to learn Wayne Cripps' TAB has the benefit of not paying anything. There are forums for all of the above programs. I was on on the Finale forum for years and learned a lot. David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: ok...need some more help...
Just plop for fronimo; or you can use Score software with macros, but the Big Packages are really crap for tab. Inexcusable, but they are bad. And they are bad for formal editions as well. dt At 01:06 AM 11/26/2008, you wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the past few weeks I'm trying to write,tabs. becuase I'm a mac user, i pretty much have nothing... I can use Finale 2009, Sibelius 5 or Guitar pro. but they all pretty much the same bad thing. I'd say you have pretty much everything, and pretty much the same best thing, as both Finale and Sibelius are expensive packages for professional engraving, allowing much, much tweaking. Neither was designed with lute tablature in mind, but both are capable of doing a good job, if you are willing to put in some effort. I'm on Finale, and after the steep learning curve it allows me all the freedom I need. There are some basic problems to solve, like you must decide how to notate diapassons and whether to accept Finale's proposed rhythm signs or find another solution like a separate rhythm staff. Rocky Mjos makes beautiful editions of baroque guitar tablatures with Finale. I know many people find Sibelius easier to learn. If you're only interested in lute tablature, I suggest not paying the next upgrade of either of the above software packages you already have, and buying a licence for one of the lute tablature dedicated programs like Fronimo or Django. People seem to be happy with those. Of course, putting in the effort to learn Wayne Cripps' TAB has the benefit of not paying anything. There are forums for all of the above programs. I was on on the Finale forum for years and learned a lot. David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: ok...need some more help...
The scan function is very nice now. It was pretty unwieldy a few years ago. I've been so overwhelmed with work these last months (plus moving house yet again...) that I've been neglecting publications. I'm hoping for a quiet new year break where I can catch up. I haven't even got my own site at the moment, just myspace. Scheesh... I've been working on parts for my new recording project - 4-piece group - all in Finale. The linked parts function is a time saver, and being able to churn out PDFs so quickly is very useful. I've done tab for myself and notation for the others. The graphic output is excellent in Finale - when I do a publication, I create TIFFs and then import them into Quark. It works well. I think if I had started on Sibelius or Score I would be a dedicated user, but I got an academic discount for Finale in the early 90s and never looked back. The company itself isn't bad. I don't do every upgrade, and it would be nice to get a free-be once in a while for years a constant patronage, but I guess I'm dreaming there. Whenever I've had a problem, though, they've been fast and helpful. On Nov 26, 2008, at 11:35 AM, David Tayler wrote: I think the dedicated note putters find great work arounds, but Fronimo seems so user friendly, plus I can just read Sarge's entire library right off the internet. I think they all have strengths. Fronimo certainly has some problems. I still think Score is the best, I still use it for a lot of things. One of the things I like about Sibelius is the Scorch plugin, maybe Finale has something similar; if so I'd love to see some samples on the Cetra website! I also like the transparency output of Sibelius, so I can use the music as a decal. I'm floating it in a video right now; sort of musical subtitles. And of course the Neuratron works very well with Sibelius, I have not tried the Finale equivalent for note scanning, so I can't say. It is amazing to scan a piece of music and have it play a minute later, with mistakes of course, but still dt At 01:54 AM 11/26/2008, you wrote: Sorry to disagree, but I don't have any problems doing good work with Finale. Fronimo was okay at first, but I've had issues with the quality of the print out when exporting to DTP programs. Finale is also very, very flexible - I find it much more so than Fronimo. There is a big learning curve, but I've been with it for over a decade and wouldn't trade it for anything else - and I continue checking out other software. The time I've put in learning it has been well worth while. On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:27 AM, David Tayler wrote: Just plop for fronimo; or you can use Score software with macros, but the Big Packages are really crap for tab. Inexcusable, but they are bad. And they are bad for formal editions as well. dt At 01:06 AM 11/26/2008, you wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the past few weeks I'm trying to write,tabs. becuase I'm a mac user, i pretty much have nothing... I can use Finale 2009, Sibelius 5 or Guitar pro. but they all pretty much the same bad thing. I'd say you have pretty much everything, and pretty much the same best thing, as both Finale and Sibelius are expensive packages for professional engraving, allowing much, much tweaking. Neither was designed with lute tablature in mind, but both are capable of doing a good job, if you are willing to put in some effort. I'm on Finale, and after the steep learning curve it allows me all the freedom I need. There are some basic problems to solve, like you must decide how to notate diapassons and whether to accept Finale's proposed rhythm signs or find another solution like a separate rhythm staff. Rocky Mjos makes beautiful editions of baroque guitar tablatures with Finale. I know many people find Sibelius easier to learn. If you're only interested in lute tablature, I suggest not paying the next upgrade of either of the above software packages you already have, and buying a licence for one of the lute tablature dedicated programs like Fronimo or Django. People seem to be happy with those. Of course, putting in the effort to learn Wayne Cripps' TAB has the benefit of not paying anything. There are forums for all of the above programs. I was on on the Finale forum for years and learned a lot. David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: ok...need some more help...
I think the dedicated note putters find great work arounds, but Fronimo seems so user friendly, plus I can just read Sarge's entire library right off the internet. I think they all have strengths. Fronimo certainly has some problems. I still think Score is the best, I still use it for a lot of things. One of the things I like about Sibelius is the Scorch plugin, maybe Finale has something similar; if so I'd love to see some samples on the Cetra website! I also like the transparency output of Sibelius, so I can use the music as a decal. I'm floating it in a video right now; sort of musical subtitles. And of course the Neuratron works very well with Sibelius, I have not tried the Finale equivalent for note scanning, so I can't say. It is amazing to scan a piece of music and have it play a minute later, with mistakes of course, but still dt At 01:54 AM 11/26/2008, you wrote: Sorry to disagree, but I don't have any problems doing good work with Finale. Fronimo was okay at first, but I've had issues with the quality of the print out when exporting to DTP programs. Finale is also very, very flexible - I find it much more so than Fronimo. There is a big learning curve, but I've been with it for over a decade and wouldn't trade it for anything else - and I continue checking out other software. The time I've put in learning it has been well worth while. On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:27 AM, David Tayler wrote: Just plop for fronimo; or you can use Score software with macros, but the Big Packages are really crap for tab. Inexcusable, but they are bad. And they are bad for formal editions as well. dt At 01:06 AM 11/26/2008, you wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the past few weeks I'm trying to write,tabs. becuase I'm a mac user, i pretty much have nothing... I can use Finale 2009, Sibelius 5 or Guitar pro. but they all pretty much the same bad thing. I'd say you have pretty much everything, and pretty much the same best thing, as both Finale and Sibelius are expensive packages for professional engraving, allowing much, much tweaking. Neither was designed with lute tablature in mind, but both are capable of doing a good job, if you are willing to put in some effort. I'm on Finale, and after the steep learning curve it allows me all the freedom I need. There are some basic problems to solve, like you must decide how to notate diapassons and whether to accept Finale's proposed rhythm signs or find another solution like a separate rhythm staff. Rocky Mjos makes beautiful editions of baroque guitar tablatures with Finale. I know many people find Sibelius easier to learn. If you're only interested in lute tablature, I suggest not paying the next upgrade of either of the above software packages you already have, and buying a licence for one of the lute tablature dedicated programs like Fronimo or Django. People seem to be happy with those. Of course, putting in the effort to learn Wayne Cripps' TAB has the benefit of not paying anything. There are forums for all of the above programs. I was on on the Finale forum for years and learned a lot. David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: ok...need some more help...
Sorry to disagree, but I don't have any problems doing good work with Finale. Fronimo was okay at first, but I've had issues with the quality of the print out when exporting to DTP programs. Finale is also very, very flexible - I find it much more so than Fronimo. There is a big learning curve, but I've been with it for over a decade and wouldn't trade it for anything else - and I continue checking out other software. The time I've put in learning it has been well worth while. On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:27 AM, David Tayler wrote: Just plop for fronimo; or you can use Score software with macros, but the Big Packages are really crap for tab. Inexcusable, but they are bad. And they are bad for formal editions as well. dt At 01:06 AM 11/26/2008, you wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the past few weeks I'm trying to write,tabs. becuase I'm a mac user, i pretty much have nothing... I can use Finale 2009, Sibelius 5 or Guitar pro. but they all pretty much the same bad thing. I'd say you have pretty much everything, and pretty much the same best thing, as both Finale and Sibelius are expensive packages for professional engraving, allowing much, much tweaking. Neither was designed with lute tablature in mind, but both are capable of doing a good job, if you are willing to put in some effort. I'm on Finale, and after the steep learning curve it allows me all the freedom I need. There are some basic problems to solve, like you must decide how to notate diapassons and whether to accept Finale's proposed rhythm signs or find another solution like a separate rhythm staff. Rocky Mjos makes beautiful editions of baroque guitar tablatures with Finale. I know many people find Sibelius easier to learn. If you're only interested in lute tablature, I suggest not paying the next upgrade of either of the above software packages you already have, and buying a licence for one of the lute tablature dedicated programs like Fronimo or Django. People seem to be happy with those. Of course, putting in the effort to learn Wayne Cripps' TAB has the benefit of not paying anything. There are forums for all of the above programs. I was on on the Finale forum for years and learned a lot. David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
