[LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…)
So, Respighi was exposed to Chilesotti through Segovia's efforts? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:20 PM, terli...@aol.com wrote: As far as his influence on the lute: I heard Paul O'dette say that it was the Six Lute Pieces from the Renaissance based on Chilesotti (and made famous by Segovia) that inspired O'dette to seek out a lute. He was studying them on the guitar and he took the title of the piece seriously enough to find a lute. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…)
No , but Paul Odette was. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:01 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: So, Respighi was exposed to Chilesotti through Segovia's efforts? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:20 PM, terli...@aol.com wrote: As far as his influence on the lute: I heard Paul O'dette say that it was the Six Lute Pieces from the Renaissance based on Chilesotti (and made famous by Segovia) that inspired O'dette to seek out a lute. He was studying them on the guitar and he took the title of the piece seriously enough to find a lute. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…)
I think it was clear that I was referring to the very standard intermediate level suite for guitar Six Lute Pieces from the Renaissance . All literate guitarists know this work. -Original Message--From: r.turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com To: Mark Delpriora terli...@aol.com Cc: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 7:21 am Subject: Re: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collectionâ¦) Your paragraph implies that Chilesotti was made famous by Segivia, and not by Respighi. RT sent from my payPhone On 12/16/2013 6:24 AM, Mark Delpriora wrote: No , but Paul Odette was. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:01 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: So, Respighi was exposed to Chilesotti through Segovia's efforts? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:20 PM, terli...@aol.com wrote: As far as his influence on the lute: I heard Paul O'dette say that it was the Six Lute Pieces from the Renaissance based on Chilesotti (and made famous by Segovia) that inspired O'dette to seek out a lute. He was studying them on the guitar and he took the title of the piece seriously enough to find a lute. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…)
Actually, Paul told me that his idol as a young player was Eric Clapton and he was thrilled to have finally met him at the Grammys a few years ago. Maybe Paul was also inspired by Segovia, but I don't recall him ever mentioning him. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Mon, 12/16/13, Mark Delpriora terli...@aol.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…) To: r.turov...@gmail.com r.turov...@gmail.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, December 16, 2013, 6:24 AM No , but Paul Odette was. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:01 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: So, Respighi was exposed to Chilesotti through Segovia's efforts? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:20 PM, terli...@aol.com wrote: As far as his influence on the lute: I heard Paul O'dette say that it was the Six Lute Pieces from the Renaissance based on Chilesotti (and made famous by Segovia) that inspired O'dette to seek out a lute. He was studying them on the guitar and he took the title of the piece seriously enough to find a lute. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…)
I hired Paul to conduct a masterclass at the Manhattan School of Music. A student played the Six Pieces for Lute from the Renaissance for him. These pieces were standard works for a time and Segovia often started his concerts with these pieces. He made them famous because he performed them so much and recorded them too Paul said it was this suite of pieces that inspired him to find a lute because it had lute in the title and he was playing it on the guitar. So he wondered what a lute was and looked for one⦠Makes sense, right? He said nothing about Eric Clapton and the lute although I know he was inspired to play electric guitar because of Clapton. The masterclass may have been recorded. Do you guys need documentation? If so, I'll check if it was indeed recorded. -Original Message- From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com To: r.turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com; Mark Delpriora terli...@aol.com Cc: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 9:22 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collectionâ¦) Actually, Paul told me that his idol as a young player was Eric Clapton and he was thrilled to have finally met him at the Grammys a few years ago. Maybe Paul was also inspired by Segovia, but I don't recall him ever mentioning him. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Mon, 12/16/13, Mark Delpriora terli...@aol.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collectionâ¦) To: r.turov...@gmail.com r.turov...@gmail.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, December 16, 2013, 6:24 AM No , but Paul Odette was. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:01 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: So, Respighi was exposed to Chilesotti through Segovia's efforts? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:20 PM, terli...@aol.com wrote: As far as his influence on the lute: I heard Paul O'dette say that it was the Six Lute Pieces from the Renaissance based on Chilesotti (and made famous by Segovia) that inspired O'dette to seek out a lute. He was studying them on the guitar and he took the title of the piece seriously enough to find a lute. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…)
A recent programme blurb for a Nigel North concert says that he was first inspired by Hank B. Marvin of The Shadows (Cliff Richard's backing group). Being a little older, it was Elvis who first got me thinking I should have a guitar. Bill From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com To: r.turov...@gmail.com r.turov...@gmail.com; Mark Delpriora terli...@aol.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 16 December 2013, 14:11 Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collectiona|) Actually, Paul told me that his idol as a young player was Eric Clapton and he was thrilled to have finally met him at the Grammys a few years ago. Maybe Paul was also inspired by Segovia, but I don't recall him ever mentioning him. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Mon, 12/16/13, Mark Delpriora [1]terli...@aol.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collectiona|) To: [2]r.turov...@gmail.com [3]r.turov...@gmail.com Cc: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, December 16, 2013, 6:24 AM No , but Paul Odette was. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:01 AM, [6]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: So, Respighi was exposed to Chilesotti through Segovia's efforts? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:20 PM, [7]terli...@aol.com wrote: As far as his influence on the lute: I heard Paul O'dette say that it was the Six Lute Pieces from the Renaissance based on Chilesotti (and made famous by Segovia) that inspired O'dette to seek out a lute. He was studying them on the guitar and he took the title of the piece seriously enough to find a lute. To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:terli...@aol.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 7. mailto:terli...@aol.com 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…)
I was taking voice lessons and the voice teacher recommended that I learn pian so I could accompany myself and learn new pieces. I decided guitar was better, because it was more portable. -Original Message- From: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk To: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com; r.turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com; Mark Delpriora terli...@aol.com Cc: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 10:56 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collectionâ¦) A recent programme blurb for a Nigel North concert says that he was first inspired by Hank B. Marvin of The Shadows (Cliff Richard's backing group). Being a little older, it was Elvis who first got me thinking I should have a guitar. Bill From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com To: r.turov...@gmail.com r.turov...@gmail.com; Mark Delpriora terli...@aol.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 16 December 2013, 14:11 Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collectiona|) Actually, Paul told me that his idol as a young player was Eric Clapton and he was thrilled to have finally met him at the Grammys a few years ago. Maybe Paul was also inspired by Segovia, but I don't recall him ever mentioning him. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Mon, 12/16/13, Mark Delpriora [1]terli...@aol.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collectiona|) To: [2]r.turov...@gmail.com [3]r.turov...@gmail.com Cc: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, December 16, 2013, 6:24 AM No , but Paul Odette was. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:01 AM, [6]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: So, Respighi was exposed to Chilesotti through Segovia's efforts? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:20 PM, [7]terli...@aol.com wrote: As far as his influence on the lute: I heard Paul O'dette say that it was the Six Lute Pieces from the Renaissance based on Chilesotti (and made famous by Segovia) that inspired O'dette to seek out a lute. He was studying them on the guitar and he took the title of the piece seriously enough to find a lute. To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:terli...@aol.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 7. mailto:terli...@aol.com 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…) and now what?
What? No love for Frederick Noad's, The Renaissance Guitar? That's where I found my first breath of fresh airs. Guess I'm a dated 70's man. Ain't got time for disco, babe, gotta make Holborne fit on my geetar. Then I saw Roger Harmon play his Zanetti at the local 17th century music hall and I knew where all this was going. But 8-track, Dan! For me real historical lute music has four monsterous KA-CHOCKS in the program. Records, sheesh. Sean On Dec 16, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Dan Winheld wrote: Well, the SIx Lute Pieces... got me- a young classical guitar student- somewhat interested in lute music, but it was Karl Scheidt's guitar arrangements of some of Dowland's lute solos and songs; at about the same time I first heard Julian Bream, that got me interested in the LUTE. That was when my poor guitar teacher- Peter C. Colonna of South Philadelphia- finally threw up his hands in despair and declared I've lost him- nothing but 99 string monsters obscurity in his future! In my case, guess he was right. As I mentioned to one friend on this list, I dodged a bullet vis-a-vis Segovia and bullying. When I attended the master class at the Accademia Chigiana in Siena all those years ago Segovia had pulled out and Alirio Diaz ran the class instead- a fine, sympathetic teacher (and killer virtuosos player) who helped each different student reach his or her own goals in his or her own best way rather than just manufacture clones in his image. I was already intabulating (I didn't even know the term!) my own performing versions of Morley's madrigals- Diaz was totally supportive. I remember that old Vandervogle Giraffenlaute cover on the old Respighi album cover. (They were still turning up at Amoeba Music a few years ago) That also made me want a lute- but not THAT lute! Dan On 12/16/2013 7:51 AM, William Samson wrote: A recent programme blurb for a Nigel North concert says that he was first inspired by Hank B. Marvin of The Shadows (Cliff Richard's backing group). Being a little older, it was Elvis who first got me thinking I should have a guitar. Bill From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com To: r.turov...@gmail.com r.turov...@gmail.com; Mark Delpriora terli...@aol.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 16 December 2013, 14:11 Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collectiona|) Actually, Paul told me that his idol as a young player was Eric Clapton and he was thrilled to have finally met him at the Grammys a few years ago. Maybe Paul was also inspired by Segovia, but I don't recall him ever mentioning him. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Mon, 12/16/13, Mark Delpriora [1]terli...@aol.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collectiona|) To: [2]r.turov...@gmail.com [3]r.turov...@gmail.com Cc: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, December 16, 2013, 6:24 AM No , but Paul Odette was. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:01 AM, [6]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: So, Respighi was exposed to Chilesotti through Segovia's efforts? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:20 PM, [7]terli...@aol.com wrote: As far as his influence on the lute: I heard Paul O'dette say that it was the Six Lute Pieces from the Renaissance based on Chilesotti (and made famous by Segovia) that inspired O'dette to seek out a lute. He was studying them on the guitar and he took the title of the piece seriously enough to find a lute. To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:terli...@aol.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 7. mailto:terli...@aol.com 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…) and now what?
Whoa, Parallel universe! It got me wondering at the time what the magic rule was for where the third should be. Later, when I got an actual renaissance guitar and saw the x begets y begets z timeline it made sense what happened. Sean On Dec 16, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Tobiah wrote: That book and others put me off of the Renaissance because I found that most of the pieces, though simple enough looking, were full of awkward fingerings that took more effort to master then was worth the underlying music. Later, perusing Ness' Frank book, and working out the tuning, I found that I could go back to the Noad with the 3rd down a half-step and have a much better time of it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection.)
A fellow spirit. My inspiration was hearing Graciano and Renata Tarrago playing music for vihuela and baroque guitar on the radio - in 1954 before most of you gentlemen were born. I was learning the violin and the recorder at the time but was determined to switch to the vihuela as soon as I could find out where to acquire one. Had to wait until the 1970s. Monica - Original Message - From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com To: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net Cc: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk; Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com; r.turov...@gmail.com; Mark Delpriora terli...@aol.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 8:57 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Re: Re: Re: Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection.) Well, everyone seems to be mentioning his/her initial lute inspiration. For me, it was Joseph Iadone - he was my older brother's bass teacher at Hartt School of Music. After hearing Joe play, I had little interest in Julian Bream as a lutenist. Ned To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…)
On Dec 15, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Chris Barker csbarker...@att.net wrote: Tarrega taught Pujol to play with nailess right hand fingertips, and Pujol passed that technique on to others. I presume that Segovia's use of nails, and increased volume of his instrument because of that, might have gotten him bigger audiences. Segovia's Autobiography of the Years 1893-1920 says Llobet and Tarrega never played concert halls because they were convinced that the guitar wouldn't be heard in one. In the next paragraph, he talks of playing at the Palau, a hall that seated over a thousand persons! He then says, Pujol not the musicologist, but the managing director of the Palau arranged to meet with me That offhand reference to the musicologist is the only mention of Emilio Pujol in the book. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…)
In defense of Segovia, I played in Segovia masterclasses in 1982 at the Metropolitan Museum and in 1987 at the Manhattan School of Music and I found him to be a very fine coach. He knew the music I played backward and forward. Segovia was at his best when you were playing his editions. When I played Albeniz' Sevilla in a transcription by Barrueco and Segovia did not seem pleased. He learned this piece at the feet of Llobet in the 20s or before and I am sure the version he knew was hard wired into his brain and what I was playing simply sounded wrong. As far as his influence on the lute: I heard Paul O'dette say that it was the Six Lute Pieces from the Renaissance based on Chilesotti (and made famous by Segovia) that inspired O'dette to seek out a lute. He was studying them on the guitar and he took the title of the piece seriously enough to find a lute. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
