Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under
Michael, I haven't properly followed what the Liuto Forte is, so this is an uneducated comment. I think everyone is missing the the main appeal that this kind of instrument offers, that being a crossover for a guitarist wanting to play the lute without changing guitar technique,( I know hundreds of them) that at least in my mind is all this kind of instrument can hope to offer. Whether or not the Luito Forte is louder and sounds better is crazy, of course it can't sound as good as a real lute. Michael Thames Luthier I can see no reason why one would want to play the lute without changing from the guitar technique (and please note that some here have said that the flat back I'm making isn't a lute). Fifty years on the guitar, and two months practicing lute music on a retuned guitar, have given me a better callous on my little finger and a ravaging desire to complete my seven course flat back lute. The perfection of the historical accuracy of the instrument isn't the purpose, it is the attempt to duplicate the sound and fingering. Were I only to want to play the lute music that is in my only book (the McFarlane Scot's Lute) I'd use his modern notation transcriptions and play them on one of my harps. And in fact I could probably better duplicate the lute sound by gentle fingering of the harp than on the guitar. (For those of you whose only knowledge of the harp is the glissando in orchestral music on the big pedal harp played by the lady in the long dress with her hair in a bun, the traditional harp is much older - it has a variety of tones and is a versatile instrument). I wonder why this Luito Forte isn't getting the same reviews as my friend Jerry's flat back that I'm building. About three more days and I'll have it strung, then we'll find out if it has the sound of the lute (I know it has the fingering). And the wide wooden frets apparently (won't know until I try them) offer the opportunity to bend a note so that the temperament may be variable. I shouldn't tout this machine until I play it, and until a Lutenist gets to see and play it, but it is fun to keep on thinking of it. I see it as a low end entry to the lute for guitarists like myself who would prefer to treat it as a lute, rather than a guitar playing lute music. Trust me, I could recast the lute music for the small harp and you might not hear the difference, but I want it to be on a lute. Best, Jon
Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under
That's a newly developed instrument. Would be very interesting if there would be a higher interest in new music. For early musicians it should be avoided like the devil IMHO. I think Holzenburg's Bach set was recorded on one, although he tastefully minimized the differences. RT It's single strung, formed similar to a lute, has machine heads instead of pegs and developed to produce rather Grundtöne (basic tones?) than Obertöne (resonances?) and esp. to be louder than a lute or guitar. see http://www.liutoforte.com/ The instruemnts are very well build and sound quite good but not like a lute - maybe it can be described it would sound like a better guitar - closer to a parlour guitar than to a modern classical guitar. Best wishes Thomas -- Thomas Schall Niederhofheimer Weg 3 D-65843 Sulzbach 06196/74519 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lautenist.de / www.tslaute.de/weiss --
Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under
In a way this simply incorporates some angelique aspects into a baroque lute. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org What the site doesn't mention is Bourgete own tuning for baroque type. He retains the tuning of the first 5 courses FDAFD but begins diatonic descent right thereafter CBAGFEDC, if one wants to try this on a 13 course lute. With a 16 string liuto forte one would get further BAG (sufficient for Bach lute music as written, without transpositions). RT That's a newly developed instrument. Would be very interesting if there would be a higher interest in new music. For early musicians it should be avoided like the devil IMHO. It's single strung, formed similar to a lute, has machine heads instead of pegs and developed to produce rather Grundt? (basic tones?) than Obert? (resonances?) and esp. to be louder than a lute or guitar. see http://www.liutoforte.com/ The instruemnts are very well build and sound quite good but not like a lute - maybe it can be described it would sound like a better guitar - closer to a parlour guitar than to a modern classical guitar. Best wishes Thomas
RE: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under
You should quote the mail you are replying to and you should send plain text mails. Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring IS department, development Tel.: +49 211-5296-355 Fax.: +49 211-5296-405 SMTP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: arielabramovich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 5. November 2003 17:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under L. Thomas: genau. It was Peter, and we both agree with the result. BTW, I wasn't defending the lf, but just making a general observation. = Many other options, as I've said, aren't historical either. Gr=C3=BCsse, A -- ** CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. **
Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under
Dear Ariel, Thomas, Roman and all, I think everyone is missing the the main appeal that this kind of instrument offers, that being a crossover for a guitarist wanting to play the lute without changing guitar technique,( I know hundreds of them) that at least in my mind is all this kind of instrument can hope to offer. Whether or not the Luito Forte is louder and sounds better is crazy, of course it can't sound as good as a real lute. Michael Thames Luthier www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: arielabramovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under L. Thomas: genau. It was Peter, and we both agree with the result. BTW, I wasn't defending the lf, but just making a general observation. = Many other options, as I've said, aren't historical either. Gr=C3=BCsse, A --
Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under
May I ask you for permission to quote this statement? This Am Mit, 2003-11-05 um 17.26 schrieb Michael Thames: Dear Ariel, Thomas, Roman and all, I think everyone is missing the the main appeal that this kind of instrument offers, that being a crossover for a guitarist wanting to play the lute without changing guitar technique,( I know hundreds of them) that at least in my mind is all this kind of instrument can hope to offer. Whether or not the Luito Forte is louder and sounds better is crazy, of course it can't sound as good as a real lute. Michael Thames Luthier www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: arielabramovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under L. Thomas: genau. It was Peter, and we both agree with the result. BTW, I wasn't defending the lf, but just making a general observation. = Many other options, as I've said, aren't historical either. Gr=C3=BCsse, A -- -- Thomas Schall Niederhofheimer Weg 3 D-65843 Sulzbach 06196/74519 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lautenist.de / www.tslaute.de/weiss --
Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under
Thomas, Sure you can. As long as it's not for the makers of the Luito Forte. Michael Thames Luthier www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message -=20 From: Thomas Schall=20 To: Michael Thames=20 Cc: Lautenliste ; arielabramovich=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under May I ask you for permission to quote this statement? This=20 Am Mit, 2003-11-05 um 17.26 schrieb Michael Thames:=20 Dear Ariel, Thomas, Roman and all, I think everyone is missing the the main appeal that this kind of instrument offers, that being a crossover for a guitarist wanting to = play the lute without changing guitar technique,( I know hundreds of them) = that at least in my mind is all this kind of instrument can hope to offer. Whether or not the Luito Forte is louder and sounds better is crazy, of course it can't sound as good as a real lute. Michael Thames Luthier www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: arielabramovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under L. Thomas: genau. It was Peter, and we both agree with the result. BTW, I wasn't defending the lf, but just making a general = observation. =3D Many other options, as I've said, aren't historical either. Gr=3DC3=3DBCsse, A =20 Thomas Schall Niederhofheimer Weg 3=09 D-65843 Sulzbach 06196/74519 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lautenist.de / www.tslaute.de/weiss=20 --
