Re: Ukulele and chitarrino?

2004-01-05 Thread KennethBeLute
I attended James Tyler's class on the early guitar at the Lute Society of America 
summer seminar of 1993 in Rochester, New York, in which he made a point of telling us 
that the little chitarrino (renaissance four course guitar) was spread to many corners 
of the world through Jesuit missionaries in the 16th and 17th centuries and, although 
long extinct in its original form, survives in various "living fossil" types:  the 
ukulele in Hawaii, the charango in South America, and similar forms and sizes in other 
locations (such as the Canary Islands and in Mexico), often with re-entrant tuning, 
and sometimes using tablature notations.  Can anybody else name these current day 
types in their respective countries?

Kenneth




Re: Ukulele and chitarrino?

2004-01-05 Thread Doctor Oakroot
BTW, I regularly play renaissance guitar music on my baritone uke (which
is tuned like the top 4 on a guitar) and it works great.

Of course the uke is a direct descendant of the renaissance guitar... but
by way of the modern guitar. That is, after the development of the six
string guitar, the Portuguese developed a number of small variants, one of
which found it's way to Hawaii where it was duplicated.

Arto Wikla wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> On Friday 02 January 2004 01:50, Bill Sterling wrote:
>> ?
>>
>> http://www.crane.gr.jp/HyperUkuleleSchool/hyper-U/Weiss/Passagaille_1.gif
>
> I made a few ukulele searchs by Google, and to my astonishment the
> little guitar is often tuned in  g c e a  in re-entrant way (so the
> "low" 4th string is a fifth higher than the 3rd string.
>
> This tuning is like the renaissance guitar (chitarrino) tuning.
> (Well, the chitarrino has both the high and low g in the 4th course.)
>
> Anyhow, some of the google found pages could tell that one Portuguese
> instrument was taken to Ocean islands in 19th celtury, and that instrument
> gave the idea for ukulele.
>
> Does the collective List Wisdom happen to know, if it really is so that
> the ukulele is a direct(?) descendant of renaissance guitar?
> And is there anything in common in the playing technique?
>
> Arto
>
>
>


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Re: Ukulele and chitarrino?

2004-01-05 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Dear Arto,

a Ukulele (and double bass!) player told me that it's 
played with a thumb down stroke and index up stroke, 
not the other way round as one might expect. It's a bit 
like renaissance technique, isn't it?

Regards,

Stephan

Am 5 Jan 2004 um 12:17 hat Arto Wikla geschrieben:

> 
> Hi all
> 
> On Friday 02 January 2004 01:50, Bill Sterling wrote:
> > ?
> >
> > http://www.crane.gr.jp/HyperUkuleleSchool/hyper-U/Weiss/Passagaille_
> > 1.gif
> 
> I made a few ukulele searchs by Google, and to my astonishment the
> little guitar is often tuned in  g c e a  in re-entrant way (so the
> "low" 4th string is a fifth higher than the 3rd string.
> 
> This tuning is like the renaissance guitar (chitarrino) tuning.
> (Well, the chitarrino has both the high and low g in the 4th course.)
> 
> Anyhow, some of the google found pages could tell that one Portuguese
> instrument was taken to Ocean islands in 19th celtury, and that
> instrument gave the idea for ukulele.
> 
> Does the collective List Wisdom happen to know, if it really is so
> that the ukulele is a direct(?) descendant of renaissance guitar? And
> is there anything in common in the playing technique? 
> 
> Arto
> 
> 
> 





Ukulele and chitarrino?

2004-01-05 Thread Arto Wikla

Hi all

On Friday 02 January 2004 01:50, Bill Sterling wrote:
> ?
>
> http://www.crane.gr.jp/HyperUkuleleSchool/hyper-U/Weiss/Passagaille_1.gif

I made a few ukulele searchs by Google, and to my astonishment the 
little guitar is often tuned in  g c e a  in re-entrant way (so the
"low" 4th string is a fifth higher than the 3rd string.

This tuning is like the renaissance guitar (chitarrino) tuning.
(Well, the chitarrino has both the high and low g in the 4th course.)

Anyhow, some of the google found pages could tell that one Portuguese
instrument was taken to Ocean islands in 19th celtury, and that instrument
gave the idea for ukulele.

Does the collective List Wisdom happen to know, if it really is so that
the ukulele is a direct(?) descendant of renaissance guitar?
And is there anything in common in the playing technique? 

Arto