Re: [Lynx-dev] Don't open link on left mouse click
who said anything about using the list page? That is not equal to using the / key, typing the word sign, and being taken swiftly to the active sign in link on the page. My main point about w3m though is that I have no real reason to try again since it did not pass the library's must use JavaScript door. Neither does lynx, but I can still search, quickly, the library catalog using lynx. I agree with others though, I do not use a mouse...at all, so lynx managing mouse functions is not important for me personally. On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Robin Stern wrote: @Karen this is getting off topic. Because you are new to w3m, you are probably unaware of some goodness from it that can be inherits by lynx. Most importantly, you can display and search just the title of links by pressing Meta-m, which is Escape-m by default. It???s a way better feature than what lynx has as list page that lists the long URLs that don???t mean anything a lot of the time. On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 12:38 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: But lynx allows one to search the page using the slash key. why would one use tab keys when one can narrow down the link goal? granted, I just tried w3m for the first time this afternoon, not JavaScript enough for the Toronto public library, but neither is links or elinks. still, not having the slash key find option meant it took me longer to reach the link I sought. Kare On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Robin Stern wrote: On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 02:15:46PM +0100, David Woolley wrote: On 02/08/2022 12:20, Mouse wrote: (a) so here's an opportunity for lynx to do better! They did it at a time when the convention of single click to select and double click to activate was a standard part of the Windows user interface. I think they took that position that selection wasn't something that people wanted to do with hypertext links, i.e., I think they thought single click activation was the better solution, for the hypertext use case. There is another important reason why its more natural for w3m and lynx to not follow the link on click. That ie because the user might then want to press '.' to open the underlying link in an external graphical browser like Firefox etc. At the moment if there is a link surrounded by other links on all of N, E, S, W directions then it is impossible to select it and press '.' to open in an external viewer. One is forced to press tab/ arrow keys multiple times to first reach to that link and then press '.'.
Re: [Lynx-dev] Don't open link on left mouse click
@Karen this is getting off topic. Because you are new to w3m, you are probably unaware of some goodness from it that can be inherits by lynx. Most importantly, you can display and search just the title of links by pressing Meta-m, which is Escape-m by default. It’s a way better feature than what lynx has as list page that lists the long URLs that don’t mean anything a lot of the time. On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 12:38 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > But lynx allows one to search the page using the slash key. why would one > use tab keys when one can narrow down the link goal? > granted, I just tried w3m for the first time this afternoon, not > JavaScript enough for the Toronto public library, but neither is links or > elinks. > still, not having the slash key find option meant it took me longer to > reach the link I sought. > Kare > > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Robin Stern wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 02:15:46PM +0100, David Woolley wrote: > >> On 02/08/2022 12:20, Mouse wrote: > >>> (a) so here's an opportunity for lynx to do better! > >> > >> They did it at a time when the convention of single click to select and > >> double click to activate was a standard part of the Windows user > interface. > >> I think they took that position that selection wasn't something that > people > >> wanted to do with hypertext links, i.e., I think they thought single > click > >> activation was the better solution, for the hypertext use case. > >> > > There is another important reason why its more natural for w3m and lynx > to not follow the link on click. That ie because the user might then want > to press '.' to open the underlying link in an external graphical browser > like Firefox etc. At the moment if there is a link surrounded by other > links on all of N, E, S, W directions then it is impossible to select it > and press '.' to open in an external viewer. One is forced to press tab/ > arrow keys multiple times to first reach to that link and then press '.'. > > > > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] Don't open link on left mouse click
But lynx allows one to search the page using the slash key. why would one use tab keys when one can narrow down the link goal? granted, I just tried w3m for the first time this afternoon, not JavaScript enough for the Toronto public library, but neither is links or elinks. still, not having the slash key find option meant it took me longer to reach the link I sought. Kare On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Robin Stern wrote: On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 02:15:46PM +0100, David Woolley wrote: On 02/08/2022 12:20, Mouse wrote: (a) so here's an opportunity for lynx to do better! They did it at a time when the convention of single click to select and double click to activate was a standard part of the Windows user interface. I think they took that position that selection wasn't something that people wanted to do with hypertext links, i.e., I think they thought single click activation was the better solution, for the hypertext use case. There is another important reason why its more natural for w3m and lynx to not follow the link on click. That ie because the user might then want to press '.' to open the underlying link in an external graphical browser like Firefox etc. At the moment if there is a link surrounded by other links on all of N, E, S, W directions then it is impossible to select it and press '.' to open in an external viewer. One is forced to press tab/ arrow keys multiple times to first reach to that link and then press '.'.
Re: [Lynx-dev] Don't open link on left mouse click
On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 02:15:46PM +0100, David Woolley wrote: > On 02/08/2022 12:20, Mouse wrote: > > (a) so here's an opportunity for lynx to do better! > > They did it at a time when the convention of single click to select and > double click to activate was a standard part of the Windows user interface. > I think they took that position that selection wasn't something that people > wanted to do with hypertext links, i.e., I think they thought single click > activation was the better solution, for the hypertext use case. > There is another important reason why its more natural for w3m and lynx to not follow the link on click. That ie because the user might then want to press '.' to open the underlying link in an external graphical browser like Firefox etc. At the moment if there is a link surrounded by other links on all of N, E, S, W directions then it is impossible to select it and press '.' to open in an external viewer. One is forced to press tab/ arrow keys multiple times to first reach to that link and then press '.'.
Re: [Lynx-dev] Don't open link on left mouse click
On 8/2/22 10:07:02, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Mouse dixit: > >> (b) what do "graphical browsers" have to do with lynx? > > As soon as you enable “mouse” support they do, because it then > suddenly becomes one. > > I don’t use lynx’ “mouse” support (didn’t notice it has one in > the first place) because I use the pointer in uxterm for copy > to PRIMARY or CLIPBOARD (with Shift) exclusively. This is much > more sane IMHO. There, lynx stays a text mode browser ☺ > Somewhat as MacOS from the very earliest has used Meta-C rather than Ctrl-C for Copy; a blessing because the latter has long been used for SIGINT. -- gil
Re: [Lynx-dev] Don't open link on left mouse click
Mouse dixit: >(b) what do "graphical browsers" have to do with lynx? As soon as you enable “mouse” support they do, because it then suddenly becomes one. I don’t use lynx’ “mouse” support (didn’t notice it has one in the first place) because I use the pointer in uxterm for copy to PRIMARY or CLIPBOARD (with Shift) exclusively. This is much more sane IMHO. There, lynx stays a text mode browser ☺ bye, //mirabilos -- 15:39⎜«mika:#grml» mira|AO: "mit XFree86® wär’ das nicht passiert" - muhaha 15:48⎜ also warum machen die xorg Jungs eigentlich alles kaputt? :)15:49⎜ thkoehler: weil sie als Kinder nie den gebauten Turm selber umschmeissen durften? -- ~/.Xmodmap wonders…
Re: [Lynx-dev] Don't open link on left mouse click
On 02/08/2022 12:20, Mouse wrote: (a) so here's an opportunity for lynx to do better! They did it at a time when the convention of single click to select and double click to activate was a standard part of the Windows user interface. I think they took that position that selection wasn't something that people wanted to do with hypertext links, i.e., I think they thought single click activation was the better solution, for the hypertext use case.
Re: [Lynx-dev] Don't open link on left mouse click
>> It would be nice to have a config option to specify mouse left click behavi$ > Single click link following has been the standard for graphical > browsers since the beginning and was inherited from earlier hypertext > formats, like PDF. (a) so here's an opportunity for lynx to do better! (b) what do "graphical browsers" have to do with lynx? /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
Re: [Lynx-dev] Don't open link on left mouse click
In w3m single click selects, double click or a single click followed by Enter also follows it. IMO for text-based interface it’s pretty well thought. Though I can see the drive to emulate GUI browser behavior, hence the ask is for a config option. On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 3:43 AM David Woolley wrote: > On 02/08/2022 11:18, Robin Stern wrote: > > It would be nice to have a config option to specify mouse left click > behavior (goto a link, but don't follow it), or an ability to remap MOUSE. > w3m also just selects a link on mouse click. > > Single click link following has been the standard for graphical browsers > since the beginning and was inherited from earlier hypertext formats, > like PDF. I've never seen an option to disable it on those, and yes it > difficult to select text in a link to copy it, in graphical browsers. > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] Don't open link on left mouse click
On 02/08/2022 11:18, Robin Stern wrote: It would be nice to have a config option to specify mouse left click behavior (goto a link, but don't follow it), or an ability to remap MOUSE. w3m also just selects a link on mouse click. Single click link following has been the standard for graphical browsers since the beginning and was inherited from earlier hypertext formats, like PDF. I've never seen an option to disable it on those, and yes it difficult to select text in a link to copy it, in graphical browsers.
[Lynx-dev] Don't open link on left mouse click
Hi lynx-dev, Lynx's mouse behavior is pretty sensitive. Left click on a link hightlights it, as well as follows it. I tried remapping MOUSE keymap but lynx does not allow that. It would be nice to have a config option to specify mouse left click behavior (goto a link, but don't follow it), or an ability to remap MOUSE. w3m also just selects a link on mouse click. It would be useful to have this behavior for multiple reasons, including: while screencasting from a page, one can highlight a link by simply clicking on it. Clicking around a link does select it without following, but if there are many links on a busy webpage it is not possible to click and highlight a link that is surrounded by other links on all sides. Lynx Version 2.9.0dev.10 (11 Aug 2021) libwww-FM 2.14, SSL-MM 1.4.1, OpenSSL 1.1.1q, ncurses 6.3.20211021 Built on darwin21.6.0 (Aug 2 2022 09:37:15). Best, Robin
