Re: [Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?
Well, I am not sure if only NANO has "search-and-replace"? I like some specific options, so I alias nano -tzxk as I like cut from cursor, also suspend, which they've made more of a challenge. And some items I put in a nanorc Chime
Re: [Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?
I have no idea if pico had a configuration file or not, but I never use one, just use the default mode of the editors, and it's always worked exactly the same for me without having to do anything at all. As I said, (and as you seem to indicate), if there's a difference, it's because her host made a change, not because the program changed. On 4/3/2024 11:45 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote: Did pico have a configuration file? Nano has nano.conf available for use. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Pico and nano are basically the same editor, just a later version, (you know, pico is version 1.0, nano is version 2.0). The way to run aspell or spell is exactly the same regardless of the name of the editor in this case. ctrl-t asks you what program to run, type spell or aspell, depending on what you have installed, and you're all done. That's all there is to it. And, just for reference, Nano uses the same exact keystrokes as pico, I know, because I used pico for years before it got switched to nano, and I've not changed a single thing in how I use the program, and it still does everything exactly the same as it did before. No difference. On 4/2/2024 11:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: apparently? There is more to this solution, at least where the speller is concerned. the editor in lynx in use is pico..cannot fault them there, I prefer it to nano as well. Alpine in their setup is using aspell for spell checking, so they want to add this on the editor line. Pico runs fine by itself when added to the editor line in the lynx options menu. but it does not seem to provide things like alternative words, or look up or anything as if a speller was in use...meaning something else is required. Apparently adding the line as it appears in the alpine setup screen is not working either. Does pico need a configuration file to run with a spell checker? thanks, Karen On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Tim Chase wrote: Replying inline On 2024-04-02 15:33, Karen Lewellen wrote: I am helping someone resolve an issue, they have access to lynx, but the editor field is blank. They are using Ubuntu. If they're already comfortable with a preferred editor, you can tell Lynx to use that on the command-line with the "-editor" option: $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/nano http://example.com They might even have configured their system to use "sensible-editor" in which case $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/sensible-editor http://example.com should invoke their preferred editor. Alternatively, you can use "o" to go to the lynx options, check the "Save options to disk" checkbox, set the Editor value in there, and save the options. Strangely, lynx doesn't honor the common method of setting either the $EDITOR or $VISUAL environment variable. In alpine for example there is a field for editor, and one for spell checking, I admit to thinking they worked together as in are software dependent. They can be the same thing or they can be different tools. Some editors have spell-check support, some don't; so you might want an external spell-checker. Does lynx work the same? meaning does there need to be one field for the editor and one for spell checker? I don't think lynx has anything spell-checking-related, just editor-related. However, if they use an editor with built-in spell-checking, that would do the trick. or is it enough to make sure the chosen editor is configured to use the desired spell checker. meaning adding the editor will allow for spell checking as well? I believe this is the case. I know that vim and emacs both have support for spell-checking. And nano does too if you enable it and add a spell-checking package: $ sudo apt-get install spell With the spell-checker installed, you should be able to use control+t in nano to spell-check the file. Hopefully that helps, -tim
Re: [Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?
Karen. Any differences you're experiencing between pico and nano are purely a difference of configuration. By default, they there is absolutely no difference between the two. In fact, if it wasn't for the name of the program being shown on the screen when you run it, I'd challenge anyone to tell the difference. Like I said, I've been running linux boxes since the early 90s, and I've changed absolutely nothing between the time when the default was pico, and the time it switched to nano, and I do absolutely nothing different now that I did then, and everything still works exactly the same for me. If your copy is acting different, then I suggest you complain to your ISP, because that means they changed something, especially the whole starting at the end of the document, because my versions have never done that. On 4/3/2024 1:50 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: My pico is edition 5.0 plus. Pico is more flexible, speaking personally. nano, again speaking personally makes odd choices, like going to the end of a a document. The recent nano on the Ubuntu setup for dreamhost no longer even uses the control t for spell checking. Personal preferences are the soul of personal computing laughs. On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Pico and nano are basically the same editor, just a later version, (you know, pico is version 1.0, nano is version 2.0). The way to run aspell or spell is exactly the same regardless of the name of the editor in this case. ctrl-t asks you what program to run, type spell or aspell, depending on what you have installed, and you're all done. That's all there is to it. And, just for reference, Nano uses the same exact keystrokes as pico, I know, because I used pico for years before it got switched to nano, and I've not changed a single thing in how I use the program, and it still does everything exactly the same as it did before. No difference. On 4/2/2024 11:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: apparently? There is more to this solution, at least where the speller is concerned. the editor in lynx in use is pico..cannot fault them there, I prefer it to nano as well. Alpine in their setup is using aspell for spell checking, so they want to add this on the editor line. Pico runs fine by itself when added to the editor line in the lynx options menu. but it does not seem to provide things like alternative words, or look up or anything as if a speller was in use...meaning something else is required. Apparently adding the line as it appears in the alpine setup screen is not working either. Does pico need a configuration file to run with a spell checker? thanks, Karen On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Tim Chase wrote: > Replying inline > > On 2024-04-02 15:33, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > I am helping someone resolve an issue, they have access to lynx, but > > the > > editor field is blank. > > They are using Ubuntu. > > If they're already comfortable with a preferred editor, you can > tell Lynx to use that on the command-line with the "-editor" option: > > $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/nano http://example.com > > They might even have configured their system to use "sensible-editor" > in which case > > $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/sensible-editor http://example.com > > should invoke their preferred editor. > > Alternatively, you can use "o" to go to the lynx options, check the > "Save options to disk" checkbox, set the Editor value in there, and > save the options. > > Strangely, lynx doesn't honor the common method of setting either > the $EDITOR or $VISUAL environment variable. > > > In alpine for example there is a field for editor, and one for spell > > checking, I admit to thinking they worked together as in are software > > dependent. > > They can be the same thing or they can be different tools. Some > editors have spell-check support, some don't; so you might want an > external spell-checker. > > > Does lynx work the same? meaning does there need to be one field > > for the editor and one for spell checker? > > I don't think lynx has anything spell-checking-related, just > editor-related. However, if they use an editor with built-in > spell-checking, that would do the trick. > > > or is it enough to make sure the chosen editor is configured > > to use the desired spell checker. meaning adding the editor will > > allow for spell checking as well? > > I believe this is the case. I know that vim and emacs both have > support for spell-checking. And nano does too if you enable it and > add a spell-checking package: > > $ sudo apt-get install spell > > With the spell-checker installed, you should be able to use control+t > in nano to spell-check the file. > > Hopefully that helps, > > -tim > > > > > > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?
Did pico have a configuration file? Nano has nano.conf available for use. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, tsie...@softcon.com wrote: > Pico and nano are basically the same editor, just a later version, (you know, > pico is version 1.0, nano is version 2.0). > > The way to run aspell or spell is exactly the same regardless of the name of > the editor in this case. > > ctrl-t asks you what program to run, type spell or aspell, depending on what > you have installed, and you're all done. > > That's all there is to it. > > And, just for reference, Nano uses the same exact keystrokes as pico, I know, > because I used pico for years before it got switched to nano, and I've not > changed a single thing in how I use the program, and it still does everything > exactly the same as it did before. > > No difference. > > > On 4/2/2024 11:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > apparently? > > There is more to this solution, at least where the speller is concerned. > > the editor in lynx in use is pico..cannot fault them there, I prefer it to > > nano as well. > > Alpine in their setup is using aspell for spell checking, so they want to > > add this on the editor line. > > Pico runs fine by itself when added to the editor line in the lynx options > > menu. but it does not seem to provide things like alternative words, or > > look up or anything as if a speller was in use...meaning something else is > > required. > > Apparently adding the line as it appears in the alpine setup screen is not > > working either. > > Does pico need a configuration file to run with a spell checker? > > thanks, > > Karen > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Tim Chase wrote: > > > >> Replying inline > >> > >> On 2024-04-02 15:33, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >>> I am helping someone resolve an issue, they have access to lynx, but the > >>> editor field is blank. > >>> They are using Ubuntu. > >> > >> If they're already comfortable with a preferred editor, you can > >> tell Lynx to use that on the command-line with the "-editor" option: > >> > >> $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/nano http://example.com > >> > >> They might even have configured their system to use "sensible-editor" > >> in which case > >> > >> $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/sensible-editor http://example.com > >> > >> should invoke their preferred editor. > >> > >> Alternatively, you can use "o" to go to the lynx options, check the > >> "Save options to disk" checkbox, set the Editor value in there, and > >> save the options. > >> > >> Strangely, lynx doesn't honor the common method of setting either > >> the $EDITOR or $VISUAL environment variable. > >> > >>> In alpine for example there is a field for editor, and one for spell > >>> checking, I admit to thinking they worked together as in are software > >>> dependent. > >> > >> They can be the same thing or they can be different tools. Some > >> editors have spell-check support, some don't; so you might want an > >> external spell-checker. > >> > >>> Does lynx work the same? meaning does there need to be one field > >>> for the editor and one for spell checker? > >> > >> I don't think lynx has anything spell-checking-related, just > >> editor-related. However, if they use an editor with built-in > >> spell-checking, that would do the trick. > >> > >>> or is it enough to make sure the chosen editor is configured > >>> to use the desired spell checker. meaning adding the editor will > >>> allow for spell checking as well? > >> > >> I believe this is the case. I know that vim and emacs both have > >> support for spell-checking. And nano does too if you enable it and > >> add a spell-checking package: > >> > >> $ sudo apt-get install spell > >> > >> With the spell-checker installed, you should be able to use control+t > >> in nano to spell-check the file. > >> > >> Hopefully that helps, > >> > >> -tim > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?
My pico is edition 5.0 plus. Pico is more flexible, speaking personally. nano, again speaking personally makes odd choices, like going to the end of a a document. The recent nano on the Ubuntu setup for dreamhost no longer even uses the control t for spell checking. Personal preferences are the soul of personal computing laughs. On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, tsie...@softcon.com wrote: Pico and nano are basically the same editor, just a later version, (you know, pico is version 1.0, nano is version 2.0). The way to run aspell or spell is exactly the same regardless of the name of the editor in this case. ctrl-t asks you what program to run, type spell or aspell, depending on what you have installed, and you're all done. That's all there is to it. And, just for reference, Nano uses the same exact keystrokes as pico, I know, because I used pico for years before it got switched to nano, and I've not changed a single thing in how I use the program, and it still does everything exactly the same as it did before. No difference. On 4/2/2024 11:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: apparently? There is more to this solution, at least where the speller is concerned. the editor in lynx in use is pico..cannot fault them there, I prefer it to nano as well. Alpine in their setup is using aspell for spell checking, so they want to add this on the editor line. Pico runs fine by itself when added to the editor line in the lynx options menu. but it does not seem to provide things like alternative words, or look up or anything as if a speller was in use...meaning something else is required. Apparently adding the line as it appears in the alpine setup screen is not working either. Does pico need a configuration file to run with a spell checker? thanks, Karen On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Tim Chase wrote: > Replying inline > > On 2024-04-02 15:33, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > I am helping someone resolve an issue, they have access to lynx, but > > the > > editor field is blank. > > They are using Ubuntu. > > If they're already comfortable with a preferred editor, you can > tell Lynx to use that on the command-line with the "-editor" option: > > $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/nano http://example.com > > They might even have configured their system to use "sensible-editor" > in which case > > $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/sensible-editor http://example.com > > should invoke their preferred editor. > > Alternatively, you can use "o" to go to the lynx options, check the > "Save options to disk" checkbox, set the Editor value in there, and > save the options. > > Strangely, lynx doesn't honor the common method of setting either > the $EDITOR or $VISUAL environment variable. > > > In alpine for example there is a field for editor, and one for spell > > checking, I admit to thinking they worked together as in are software > > dependent. > > They can be the same thing or they can be different tools. Some > editors have spell-check support, some don't; so you might want an > external spell-checker. > > > Does lynx work the same? meaning does there need to be one field > > for the editor and one for spell checker? > > I don't think lynx has anything spell-checking-related, just > editor-related. However, if they use an editor with built-in > spell-checking, that would do the trick. > > > or is it enough to make sure the chosen editor is configured > > to use the desired spell checker. meaning adding the editor will > > allow for spell checking as well? > > I believe this is the case. I know that vim and emacs both have > support for spell-checking. And nano does too if you enable it and > add a spell-checking package: > > $ sudo apt-get install spell > > With the spell-checker installed, you should be able to use control+t > in nano to spell-check the file. > > Hopefully that helps, > > -tim > > > > > > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?
Pico and nano are basically the same editor, just a later version, (you know, pico is version 1.0, nano is version 2.0). The way to run aspell or spell is exactly the same regardless of the name of the editor in this case. ctrl-t asks you what program to run, type spell or aspell, depending on what you have installed, and you're all done. That's all there is to it. And, just for reference, Nano uses the same exact keystrokes as pico, I know, because I used pico for years before it got switched to nano, and I've not changed a single thing in how I use the program, and it still does everything exactly the same as it did before. No difference. On 4/2/2024 11:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: apparently? There is more to this solution, at least where the speller is concerned. the editor in lynx in use is pico..cannot fault them there, I prefer it to nano as well. Alpine in their setup is using aspell for spell checking, so they want to add this on the editor line. Pico runs fine by itself when added to the editor line in the lynx options menu. but it does not seem to provide things like alternative words, or look up or anything as if a speller was in use...meaning something else is required. Apparently adding the line as it appears in the alpine setup screen is not working either. Does pico need a configuration file to run with a spell checker? thanks, Karen On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Tim Chase wrote: Replying inline On 2024-04-02 15:33, Karen Lewellen wrote: I am helping someone resolve an issue, they have access to lynx, but the editor field is blank. They are using Ubuntu. If they're already comfortable with a preferred editor, you can tell Lynx to use that on the command-line with the "-editor" option: $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/nano http://example.com They might even have configured their system to use "sensible-editor" in which case $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/sensible-editor http://example.com should invoke their preferred editor. Alternatively, you can use "o" to go to the lynx options, check the "Save options to disk" checkbox, set the Editor value in there, and save the options. Strangely, lynx doesn't honor the common method of setting either the $EDITOR or $VISUAL environment variable. In alpine for example there is a field for editor, and one for spell checking, I admit to thinking they worked together as in are software dependent. They can be the same thing or they can be different tools. Some editors have spell-check support, some don't; so you might want an external spell-checker. Does lynx work the same? meaning does there need to be one field for the editor and one for spell checker? I don't think lynx has anything spell-checking-related, just editor-related. However, if they use an editor with built-in spell-checking, that would do the trick. or is it enough to make sure the chosen editor is configured to use the desired spell checker. meaning adding the editor will allow for spell checking as well? I believe this is the case. I know that vim and emacs both have support for spell-checking. And nano does too if you enable it and add a spell-checking package: $ sudo apt-get install spell With the spell-checker installed, you should be able to use control+t in nano to spell-check the file. Hopefully that helps, -tim
Re: [Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?
apparently? There is more to this solution, at least where the speller is concerned. the editor in lynx in use is pico..cannot fault them there, I prefer it to nano as well. Alpine in their setup is using aspell for spell checking, so they want to add this on the editor line. Pico runs fine by itself when added to the editor line in the lynx options menu. but it does not seem to provide things like alternative words, or look up or anything as if a speller was in use...meaning something else is required. Apparently adding the line as it appears in the alpine setup screen is not working either. Does pico need a configuration file to run with a spell checker? thanks, Karen On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Tim Chase wrote: Replying inline On 2024-04-02 15:33, Karen Lewellen wrote: I am helping someone resolve an issue, they have access to lynx, but the editor field is blank. They are using Ubuntu. If they're already comfortable with a preferred editor, you can tell Lynx to use that on the command-line with the "-editor" option: $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/nano http://example.com They might even have configured their system to use "sensible-editor" in which case $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/sensible-editor http://example.com should invoke their preferred editor. Alternatively, you can use "o" to go to the lynx options, check the "Save options to disk" checkbox, set the Editor value in there, and save the options. Strangely, lynx doesn't honor the common method of setting either the $EDITOR or $VISUAL environment variable. In alpine for example there is a field for editor, and one for spell checking, I admit to thinking they worked together as in are software dependent. They can be the same thing or they can be different tools. Some editors have spell-check support, some don't; so you might want an external spell-checker. Does lynx work the same? meaning does there need to be one field for the editor and one for spell checker? I don't think lynx has anything spell-checking-related, just editor-related. However, if they use an editor with built-in spell-checking, that would do the trick. or is it enough to make sure the chosen editor is configured to use the desired spell checker. meaning adding the editor will allow for spell checking as well? I believe this is the case. I know that vim and emacs both have support for spell-checking. And nano does too if you enable it and add a spell-checking package: $ sudo apt-get install spell With the spell-checker installed, you should be able to use control+t in nano to spell-check the file. Hopefully that helps, -tim
Re: [Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?
>> In alpine for example there is a field for editor, and one for spell >> checking, I admit to thinking they worked together as in are >> software dependent. > They can be the same thing or they can be different tools. Some > editors have spell-check support, some don't; so you might want an > external spell-checker. Note that, if lynx does not contain support for a configurable spellchecker, you can get a somewhat similar effect by writing a shellscript that runs the editor-of-choice and the the spellchecker-of-choice (optionally looping afterwards, such as when the spellchecker complains), then telling lynx to use that script as its external editor. That does, however, depend on being competent to write shellscripts. It isn't clear to me from the thread-so-far whether anyone involved with the end user is competent to write such a thing. (I am competent enough to write the script, but I don't know relevant things such as the preferred spellchecker's interface.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
Re: [Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?
Hi, yes that helps allot. As I prefer pico to nano for example in the lynx config for my user setup here that line has pico -s name of speller, ispell I believe. So, if they pre nano or simple speller or whatever, they can do the same, either specifying the command line for the speller, assuming it works like pico, or making sure the editor has a speller package. Their configuration for alpine includes the default for aspell on the speller line, but no editor. I have not checked alpine at shellworld, I prefer using pine personally here. Thanks, Karen On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Tim Chase wrote: Replying inline On 2024-04-02 15:33, Karen Lewellen wrote: I am helping someone resolve an issue, they have access to lynx, but the editor field is blank. They are using Ubuntu. If they're already comfortable with a preferred editor, you can tell Lynx to use that on the command-line with the "-editor" option: $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/nano http://example.com They might even have configured their system to use "sensible-editor" in which case $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/sensible-editor http://example.com should invoke their preferred editor. Alternatively, you can use "o" to go to the lynx options, check the "Save options to disk" checkbox, set the Editor value in there, and save the options. Strangely, lynx doesn't honor the common method of setting either the $EDITOR or $VISUAL environment variable. In alpine for example there is a field for editor, and one for spell checking, I admit to thinking they worked together as in are software dependent. They can be the same thing or they can be different tools. Some editors have spell-check support, some don't; so you might want an external spell-checker. Does lynx work the same? meaning does there need to be one field for the editor and one for spell checker? I don't think lynx has anything spell-checking-related, just editor-related. However, if they use an editor with built-in spell-checking, that would do the trick. or is it enough to make sure the chosen editor is configured to use the desired spell checker. meaning adding the editor will allow for spell checking as well? I believe this is the case. I know that vim and emacs both have support for spell-checking. And nano does too if you enable it and add a spell-checking package: $ sudo apt-get install spell With the spell-checker installed, you should be able to use control+t in nano to spell-check the file. Hopefully that helps, -tim
Re: [Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?
Replying inline On 2024-04-02 15:33, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I am helping someone resolve an issue, they have access to lynx, but the > editor field is blank. > They are using Ubuntu. If they're already comfortable with a preferred editor, you can tell Lynx to use that on the command-line with the "-editor" option: $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/nano http://example.com They might even have configured their system to use "sensible-editor" in which case $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/sensible-editor http://example.com should invoke their preferred editor. Alternatively, you can use "o" to go to the lynx options, check the "Save options to disk" checkbox, set the Editor value in there, and save the options. Strangely, lynx doesn't honor the common method of setting either the $EDITOR or $VISUAL environment variable. > In alpine for example there is a field for editor, and one for spell > checking, I admit to thinking they worked together as in are software > dependent. They can be the same thing or they can be different tools. Some editors have spell-check support, some don't; so you might want an external spell-checker. > Does lynx work the same? meaning does there need to be one field > for the editor and one for spell checker? I don't think lynx has anything spell-checking-related, just editor-related. However, if they use an editor with built-in spell-checking, that would do the trick. > or is it enough to make sure the chosen editor is configured > to use the desired spell checker. meaning adding the editor will > allow for spell checking as well? I believe this is the case. I know that vim and emacs both have support for spell-checking. And nano does too if you enable it and add a spell-checking package: $ sudo apt-get install spell With the spell-checker installed, you should be able to use control+t in nano to spell-check the file. Hopefully that helps, -tim
[Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?
Hi everyone, I am helping someone resolve an issue, they have access to lynx, but the editor field is blank. They are using Ubuntu. While I can certainly tell them how editors are set for our shellworld configuration, I want to be sure of something first. In alpine for example there is a field for editor, and one for spell checking, I admit to thinking they worked together as in are software dependent. Does lynx work the same? meaning does there need to be one field for the editor and one for spell checker? or is it enough to make sure the chosen editor is configured to use the desired spell checker. meaning adding the editor will allow for spell checking as well? Thanks, Karen
