Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
On 2023-11-23 Stef Caunter wrote:
> could you please? it hasn't worked for me for most of this century...
In Mutt it is very simple. We use IMAP. All you need is these
four lines in your ~/.muttrc
set imap_user=u...@hotmail.com
set imap_pass=PASSWORD
set folder=imaps://outlook.office365.com
set spoolfile="+INBOX"
Additionally you can insert this line also
macro index "?"
then you can use the left arrow to show the list of folders on
the server, Junk, Deleted, Sent, etc. to access them.
Mutt must be built with some authentication libraries and with
IMAP support. You may have the compile options shown by running
mutt -v. In particular, I have:
+USE_IMAP +USE_SMTP
+USE_SSL_OPENSSL -USE_SSL_GNUTLS +USE_SASL -USE_GSASL
I have not used Pine for 25 years, but I think something
similar must be achievable with Pine?
With S-nail, which is actually the name of the package to
install, the name of the program itself is "mail", it is also
fairly simple. Configuration is done in ~/.mailrc. I have this
in mine:
.mailrc begin
# This example assumes v15.0 compatibility mode
set v15-compat
set mta="/usr/bin/msmtp"
# Request strict TLL transport layer security checks
set tls-verify=strict
# Where are the up-to-date TLS certificates?
# (Since we manage up-to-date ones explicitly, do not use any,
# possibly outdated, default certificates shipped with OpenSSL)
set tls-ca-file=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
# Essential setting: select allowed character sets
set sendcharsets=utf-8,iso-8859-1
# A very kind option: when replying to a message, first try to
# use the same encoding that the original poster used herself!
set reply-in-same-charset
# When replying, do not merge From: and To: of the original message
# into To:. Instead old From: -> new To:, old To: -> merge Cc:.
set recipients-in-cc
# When sending messages, wait until the Mail-Transfer-Agent finishs.
# Only like this you will be able to see errors reported through the
# exit status of the MTA (including the built-in SMTP one)!
set sendwait
# Only use built-in MIME types, no mime.types(5) files
set mimetypes-load-control
# Default directory where we act in (relative to $HOME)
set folder=.mail
# A leading "+" (often) means: under *folder*
# *record* is used to save copies of sent messages
set record=+sent record-files record-resent
set inbox="imaps://USER%40hotmail.com:passw...@outlook.office365.com/INBOX"
wysh set prompt='mail> '
account hotmail {
set from="Morten Bo Johansen "
set imap-keepalive=240
}
# Make this the default account
account hotmail
.mailrc end
Change USER to that of your own.
Note the url encoding "%40" for the "@" in the inbox variable
above. It must be used.
chmod 0600 .mailrc .muttrc
Also note the
set mta="/usr/bin/msmtp"
S-nail/mail's built in smtp function doesn't work with Hotmail
without some inordinate amount of configuration trouble
including a third-party python script. msmtp works with no
problems. That you must set up yourself ;-)
I hope this helps and the off-topic nature of it doesn't rile
too many.
Regards,
Morten
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 11:28 AM Morten Bo Johansen wrote: > > I use Hotmail. It works fine from the command line with access > to all folder in Linux (with S-nail/mail) or from Mutt (and > surely also Pine). If you're interested, I can share some > configuration details. > > Regards, > Morten > > > could you please? it hasn't worked for me for most of this century... /stef
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
On 2023-11-21 Karen Lewellen wrote: > Anyone know of either an email service that incorporates these lower > graphics interfaces, or host mail in a way that allows full detailed > inbox access in a reliable way. I use Hotmail. It works fine from the command line with access to all folder in Linux (with S-nail/mail) or from Mutt (and surely also Pine). If you're interested, I can share some configuration details. Regards, Morten
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Then I am back to my source question, although perhaps without the web
interface, a solid email provider where I can export my gmail contents,
then use that address as its replacement. Afterwards establishing mail
forwarding for my gmail account.
Must be able to reach them, which may mean doing what I already do for
work, only hopefully to a setup more supportive of their email clients
like alpine.
I respect the other ideas are more work then I desire taking on, would
rather reward a solid source with my business.
That is not going to be pannix, they refused to let me test ssh from my
desktop.
Since email is all I desire, and news from fastmail is they are
considering doing better but they do not support the Linux elements i
use, other ideas?
Thanks,
Kare
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Karen Lewellen dixit:
my current access to both pine and alpine are tied to shellworld entirely, or
via the dreamhost shell service provided to my office.
OK. If you can use these for eMail, you’ll be good then.
The question seems to be if it can be configured to access gmail,
including passing any security related factors?
Googlemail is exceptionally bad at playing well. I have to
use a Googlemail account for work and while I eventually
managed to sending with it with alpine (it needs alpine as
alpine has special code to work with Googlemail), I have
set it up to forward to an IMAP server I run myself, as its
IMAP implementation is so bad it’s not even funny any more.
(In theory you should be able to access Googlemail via IMAP;
in practice, you’ll hate the bugs.)
I can only really really urge you to seek a proper eMail
provider that supports standard SMTP and IMAP.
if alpine can do this, can not some of the associated
tools be incorporated into pine?
Unfortunately, pine is not only “end of life” but also has a
problematic licence, which is the thing that directly led to
alpine (short for “apache-licenced pine”) being a rewrite.
So either you’ve got to use alpine with Googlemail and suffer
from its shortcomings, or you can use either pine or alpine
with good as any standard eMail provider that supports SMTP
and IMAP.
(A very small number of years ago, this would have ended my
message; however, nowadays, there is another problem. If you
use an old version of pine (especially for DOS) it will have
been built with an old SSL library that cannot do TLSv1.2 or
TLSv1.3, and more and more endpoints unfortunately require
that. Running pine/alpine on an up-to-date BSD or GNU/Linux
shellserver would work, or having a kind of “SSL proxy” on a
machine that supports both the old and new protocols (which
is something I set up for myself with a pair of stunnel4
services), or having an SMTP and IMAP server on a box that
supports the old TLSv1.0 protocol and ciphersuites, which
often can be configured even on systems like Debian 11 that
do not accept these out of the box any more.)
bye,
//mirabilos
--
emacs als auch vi zum Kotzen finde (joe rules) und pine für den einzig
bedienbaren textmode-mailclient halte (und ich hab sie alle ausprobiert). ;)
Hallo, ich bin der Holger ("Hallo Holger!"), und ich bin ebenfalls
... pine-User, und das auch noch gewohnheitsmäßig ("Oooohhh"). [aus dasr]
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Karen Lewellen dixit:
> my current access to both pine and alpine are tied to shellworld entirely, or
> via the dreamhost shell service provided to my office.
OK. If you can use these for eMail, you’ll be good then.
> The question seems to be if it can be configured to access gmail,
> including passing any security related factors?
Googlemail is exceptionally bad at playing well. I have to
use a Googlemail account for work and while I eventually
managed to sending with it with alpine (it needs alpine as
alpine has special code to work with Googlemail), I have
set it up to forward to an IMAP server I run myself, as its
IMAP implementation is so bad it’s not even funny any more.
(In theory you should be able to access Googlemail via IMAP;
in practice, you’ll hate the bugs.)
I can only really really urge you to seek a proper eMail
provider that supports standard SMTP and IMAP.
> if alpine can do this, can not some of the associated
> tools be incorporated into pine?
Unfortunately, pine is not only “end of life” but also has a
problematic licence, which is the thing that directly led to
alpine (short for “apache-licenced pine”) being a rewrite.
So either you’ve got to use alpine with Googlemail and suffer
from its shortcomings, or you can use either pine or alpine
with good as any standard eMail provider that supports SMTP
and IMAP.
(A very small number of years ago, this would have ended my
message; however, nowadays, there is another problem. If you
use an old version of pine (especially for DOS) it will have
been built with an old SSL library that cannot do TLSv1.2 or
TLSv1.3, and more and more endpoints unfortunately require
that. Running pine/alpine on an up-to-date BSD or GNU/Linux
shellserver would work, or having a kind of “SSL proxy” on a
machine that supports both the old and new protocols (which
is something I set up for myself with a pair of stunnel4
services), or having an SMTP and IMAP server on a box that
supports the old TLSv1.0 protocol and ciphersuites, which
often can be configured even on systems like Debian 11 that
do not accept these out of the box any more.)
bye,
//mirabilos
--
> emacs als auch vi zum Kotzen finde (joe rules) und pine für den einzig
> bedienbaren textmode-mailclient halte (und ich hab sie alle ausprobiert). ;)
Hallo, ich bin der Holger ("Hallo Holger!"), und ich bin ebenfalls
... pine-User, und das auch noch gewohnheitsmäßig ("Oooohhh"). [aus dasr]
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Hi,
my current access to both pine and alpine are tied to shellworld entirely,
or via the dreamhost shell service provided to my office.
There is indeed a pine for DOS.
The question seems to be if it can be configured to access gmail,
including passing any security related factors?
My absolute goal is full access to my gmail inbox, if I must use another
provider, I must be able to input those contents for personal, legal, and
professional reasons. if alpine can do this, can not some of the
associated tools be incorporated into pine?
Where would I find the answers to this
Kare
On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Karen Lewellen dixit:
There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who still have web
interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of fastmail.
Anyone know of either an email service that incorporates these lower graphics
Is using pine a possibility? (I think there was a DOS port of that.)
That sounds much less overhead and much more reliability than a web
interface, and in addition, your interface to the mail system will
continue to just be the same pine you’re using (or with minimal changes
over years in the case of alpine).
If you have access to a pine/alpine at your shellserver and find it
usable for yourself, you can set it up to access multiple eMail
providers (as long as they support IMAP) as well.
lynx-usable webmail is so niche that I wouldn’t invest too much
effort into finding anything there (plus even things that are lynx-
accessible now need not continue to do so, I suffered from a bank
stopping that for online banking).
Good luck,
//mirabilos
--
Wish I had pine to hand :-( I'll give lynx a try, thanks.
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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 3:56 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Karen Lewellen dixit:
> There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who still have web
> interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of fastmail.
> Anyone know of either an email service that incorporates these lower graphics
Is using pine a possibility? (I think there was a DOS port of that.)
That sounds much less overhead and much more reliability than a web
interface, and in addition, your interface to the mail system will
continue to just be the same pine you’re using (or with minimal changes
over years in the case of alpine).
If you have access to a pine/alpine at your shellserver and find it
usable for yourself, you can set it up to access multiple eMail
providers (as long as they support IMAP) as well.
lynx-usable webmail is so niche that I wouldn’t invest too much
effort into finding anything there (plus even things that are lynx-
accessible now need not continue to do so, I suffered from a bank
stopping that for online banking).
Good luck,
//mirabilos
--
> Wish I had pine to hand :-( I'll give lynx a try, thanks.
Michael Schmitz on nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.ports.68k
a.k.a. {news.gmane.org/nntp}#news.gmane.linux.debian.ports.68k in pine
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Karen Lewellen dixit:
> There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who still have web
> interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of fastmail.
> Anyone know of either an email service that incorporates these lower graphics
Is using pine a possibility? (I think there was a DOS port of that.)
That sounds much less overhead and much more reliability than a web
interface, and in addition, your interface to the mail system will
continue to just be the same pine you’re using (or with minimal changes
over years in the case of alpine).
If you have access to a pine/alpine at your shellserver and find it
usable for yourself, you can set it up to access multiple eMail
providers (as long as they support IMAP) as well.
lynx-usable webmail is so niche that I wouldn’t invest too much
effort into finding anything there (plus even things that are lynx-
accessible now need not continue to do so, I suffered from a bank
stopping that for online banking).
Good luck,
//mirabilos
--
> Wish I had pine to hand :-( I'll give lynx a try, thanks.
Michael Schmitz on nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.ports.68k
a.k.a. {news.gmane.org/nntp}#news.gmane.linux.debian.ports.68k in pine
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Panix actually tested both webmail apps running them with lynx to find out if I could use either of them and learned that wasn't possible since certain essential controls in both apps are proprietary controls not standard web controls. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > ..and you just shared that roundcube and squirrel mail do not work there. > When I sought to work with them as well, they were quite quite hostile to my > needs..plus for me that would be far more expensive then here, my site is at > shellworld as well. > Kare > > > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > Panix offers web accounts and telnet accounts. I got a telnet account for > > $100 a year. > > > > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > > > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
..and you just shared that roundcube and squirrel mail do not work there. When I sought to work with them as well, they were quite quite hostile to my needs..plus for me that would be far more expensive then here, my site is at shellworld as well. Kare On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: Panix offers web accounts and telnet accounts. I got a telnet account for $100 a year. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Either way, that's a bad deal. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Actually, that is untrue. > Shellworld owners are intent on deciding what email we can and cannot see, > including items an individual may consider spam but they do not, and clearly > the other way around as well. > There is a difference. > its not that we get lots of spam. Instead we end up not getting email the > individual knows should get through, with a third party making the decision. > As an example, my bank cannot reach me at all now. > > > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > Maybe others can help here, users can install their own copy of > > spamassassin though that needs some work to do it correctly. Another > > possibility may be procmail and that needs some study to set recipes up > > correctly. > > It seems to me shellworld.net is intent on keeping its users open to spam. > > > > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > >> Have you a trash folder or junkmail folder? > >> > >> > >> -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > >> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > >> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > >> > >> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> > >>> Agree about spam assassin. > >>> However the owners of shellworld disliked the program, so instead of > >>> individual choice for users, they took the choice away from everyone. > >>> did try to use my password at gmail, likely the code got filtered as > >>> spam..for > >>> which I have no folder. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >>> > panix.com has both roundcube and squirrelmail but we found both of those > interfaces are inaccessible for command line users of linux so although I > could set them up I couldn't access them effectively. That's why I am > using spamassassin. > > -- > Jude > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. > Please use in that order." > Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > As some may know google is force feeding the removal of access for basic > > html. > > For me personally this presents several issues, shellworld is amazing in > > general, but the owners have removed the right to review spam here all > > together. > > There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who still have > > web > > interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of > > fastmail. > > Anyone know of either an email service that incorporates these lower > > graphics > > interfaces, or host mail in a way that allows full detailed inbox > > access > > in > > a reliable way. > > Even Links with its JavaScript touches, and elinks when compiled for > > JavaScript might be an option, but asking about Lynx in case I have > > missed > > a > > door. > > Am a bit shaky here, lots of please fit into our disability box, or > > there > > is > > no place for our freakishness stuff in my life lately. > > I do not want to chance a gmail login, until i know where I am > > going..shellworld is my alternative address for gmail, and with no spam > > folder > > I might miss the two factor code option. > > Lynx ideas for email? > > Thanks, > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Panix offers web accounts and telnet accounts. I got a telnet account for $100 a year. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Hi Karen: 1 of my Linux experts setup Alpine with fastmail. But, no, because fastmail is rather graphical, I cannot go in-and-ajust anything. Even my hosted web-site, I have no idea of finding out a quota of space, so I upload a file, if it completes, I am lucky. Chime
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Hi Chime, Are you using the web interface with fastmail as well? If not, does fastmail give you access to all your email content? Where do you use alpine, do they provide a door or is it on your personal system? Kare On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Chime Hart wrote: Well Jude-and-All, with Fastmail, I can go through a process in Alpine with an "s" for save, controll+t, I arrow down through folders until "spam training" after that I go down again to "spam learn" Certainly spam asassin was alot less complicated. Not only that, but there were white-and-black list files you could edit by hand. Chime
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Well Jude-and-All, with Fastmail, I can go through a process in Alpine with an "s" for save, controll+t, I arrow down through folders until "spam training" after that I go down again to "spam learn" Certainly spam asassin was alot less complicated. Not only that, but there were white-and-black list files you could edit by hand. Chime
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Actually, that is untrue. Shellworld owners are intent on deciding what email we can and cannot see, including items an individual may consider spam but they do not, and clearly the other way around as well. There is a difference. its not that we get lots of spam. Instead we end up not getting email the individual knows should get through, with a third party making the decision. As an example, my bank cannot reach me at all now. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: Maybe others can help here, users can install their own copy of spamassassin though that needs some work to do it correctly. Another possibility may be procmail and that needs some study to set recipes up correctly. It seems to me shellworld.net is intent on keeping its users open to spam. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: Have you a trash folder or junkmail folder? -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: Agree about spam assassin. However the owners of shellworld disliked the program, so instead of individual choice for users, they took the choice away from everyone. did try to use my password at gmail, likely the code got filtered as spam..for which I have no folder. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: panix.com has both roundcube and squirrelmail but we found both of those interfaces are inaccessible for command line users of linux so although I could set them up I couldn't access them effectively. That's why I am using spamassassin. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, As some may know google is force feeding the removal of access for basic html. For me personally this presents several issues, shellworld is amazing in general, but the owners have removed the right to review spam here all together. There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who still have web interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of fastmail. Anyone know of either an email service that incorporates these lower graphics interfaces, or host mail in a way that allows full detailed inbox access in a reliable way. Even Links with its JavaScript touches, and elinks when compiled for JavaScript might be an option, but asking about Lynx in case I have missed a door. Am a bit shaky here, lots of please fit into our disability box, or there is no place for our freakishness stuff in my life lately. I do not want to chance a gmail login, until i know where I am going..shellworld is my alternative address for gmail, and with no spam folder I might miss the two factor code option. Lynx ideas for email? Thanks, Karen
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Maybe others can help here, users can install their own copy of spamassassin though that needs some work to do it correctly. Another possibility may be procmail and that needs some study to set recipes up correctly. It seems to me shellworld.net is intent on keeping its users open to spam. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Have you a trash folder or junkmail folder? > > > -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > Agree about spam assassin. > > However the owners of shellworld disliked the program, so instead of > > individual choice for users, they took the choice away from everyone. > > did try to use my password at gmail, likely the code got filtered as > > spam..for > > which I have no folder. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > > panix.com has both roundcube and squirrelmail but we found both of those > > > interfaces are inaccessible for command line users of linux so although I > > > could set them up I couldn't access them effectively. That's why I am > > > using spamassassin. > > > > > > -- > > > Jude > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. > > > Please use in that order." > > > Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > > > > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > >> Hi folks, > > >> As some may know google is force feeding the removal of access for basic > > >> html. > > >> For me personally this presents several issues, shellworld is amazing in > > >> general, but the owners have removed the right to review spam here all > > >> together. > > >> There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who still have > > >> web > > >> interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of > > >> fastmail. > > >> Anyone know of either an email service that incorporates these lower > > >> graphics > > >> interfaces, or host mail in a way that allows full detailed inbox > > >> access > > >> in > > >> a reliable way. > > >> Even Links with its JavaScript touches, and elinks when compiled for > > >> JavaScript might be an option, but asking about Lynx in case I have > > >> missed > > >> a > > >> door. > > >> Am a bit shaky here, lots of please fit into our disability box, or there > > >> is > > >> no place for our freakishness stuff in my life lately. > > >> I do not want to chance a gmail login, until i know where I am > > >> going..shellworld is my alternative address for gmail, and with no spam > > >> folder > > >> I might miss the two factor code option. > > >> Lynx ideas for email? > > >> Thanks, > > >> Karen > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
no. pine and alpine create a folder called probably-spam. However, the mail process must actually use them. This was the case..for decades actually, until that decision was taken away. While we have been *promised* a replacement, that replacement has yet to be provided. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: Have you a trash folder or junkmail folder? -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: Agree about spam assassin. However the owners of shellworld disliked the program, so instead of individual choice for users, they took the choice away from everyone. did try to use my password at gmail, likely the code got filtered as spam..for which I have no folder. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: panix.com has both roundcube and squirrelmail but we found both of those interfaces are inaccessible for command line users of linux so although I could set them up I couldn't access them effectively. That's why I am using spamassassin. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, As some may know google is force feeding the removal of access for basic html. For me personally this presents several issues, shellworld is amazing in general, but the owners have removed the right to review spam here all together. There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who still have web interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of fastmail. Anyone know of either an email service that incorporates these lower graphics interfaces, or host mail in a way that allows full detailed inbox access in a reliable way. Even Links with its JavaScript touches, and elinks when compiled for JavaScript might be an option, but asking about Lynx in case I have missed a door. Am a bit shaky here, lots of please fit into our disability box, or there is no place for our freakishness stuff in my life lately. I do not want to chance a gmail login, until i know where I am going..shellworld is my alternative address for gmail, and with no spam folder I might miss the two factor code option. Lynx ideas for email? Thanks, Karen
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Have you a trash folder or junkmail folder? -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Agree about spam assassin. > However the owners of shellworld disliked the program, so instead of > individual choice for users, they took the choice away from everyone. > did try to use my password at gmail, likely the code got filtered as spam..for > which I have no folder. > > > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > panix.com has both roundcube and squirrelmail but we found both of those > > interfaces are inaccessible for command line users of linux so although I > > could set them up I couldn't access them effectively. That's why I am > > using spamassassin. > > > > -- > > Jude > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. > > Please use in that order." > > Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > >> Hi folks, > >> As some may know google is force feeding the removal of access for basic > >> html. > >> For me personally this presents several issues, shellworld is amazing in > >> general, but the owners have removed the right to review spam here all > >> together. > >> There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who still have > >> web > >> interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of > >> fastmail. > >> Anyone know of either an email service that incorporates these lower > >> graphics > >> interfaces, or host mail in a way that allows full detailed inbox access > >> in > >> a reliable way. > >> Even Links with its JavaScript touches, and elinks when compiled for > >> JavaScript might be an option, but asking about Lynx in case I have missed > >> a > >> door. > >> Am a bit shaky here, lots of please fit into our disability box, or there > >> is > >> no place for our freakishness stuff in my life lately. > >> I do not want to chance a gmail login, until i know where I am > >> going..shellworld is my alternative address for gmail, and with no spam > >> folder > >> I might miss the two factor code option. > >> Lynx ideas for email? > >> Thanks, > >> Karen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Agree about spam assassin. However the owners of shellworld disliked the program, so instead of individual choice for users, they took the choice away from everyone. did try to use my password at gmail, likely the code got filtered as spam..for which I have no folder. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote: panix.com has both roundcube and squirrelmail but we found both of those interfaces are inaccessible for command line users of linux so although I could set them up I couldn't access them effectively. That's why I am using spamassassin. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, As some may know google is force feeding the removal of access for basic html. For me personally this presents several issues, shellworld is amazing in general, but the owners have removed the right to review spam here all together. There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who still have web interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of fastmail. Anyone know of either an email service that incorporates these lower graphics interfaces, or host mail in a way that allows full detailed inbox access in a reliable way. Even Links with its JavaScript touches, and elinks when compiled for JavaScript might be an option, but asking about Lynx in case I have missed a door. Am a bit shaky here, lots of please fit into our disability box, or there is no place for our freakishness stuff in my life lately. I do not want to chance a gmail login, until i know where I am going..shellworld is my alternative address for gmail, and with no spam folder I might miss the two factor code option. Lynx ideas for email? Thanks, Karen
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..actually you might be surprised how large the market would be. The digital divide, gap between end users, costs, and technology is quite great. add the extent to which privacy and security plays a role, people wanting to just communicate, with the tools they have in the fashion they choose? What has struck me searching for stories about google's decision is just how many frustrated people are out there. There is a speculation thread on another list, how much such a project would cost..still waiting for numbers. Kare On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Mouse wrote: [...] Lynx ideas for email? This sounds like a business opportunity for...well, I'm not sure whom, but someone! It'd be a niche market, yes, but companies have been successful serving niche markets often enough. (I'd start it myself, but I am not a businessmouse, and I know it.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
> [...] > Lynx ideas for email? This sounds like a business opportunity for...well, I'm not sure whom, but someone! It'd be a niche market, yes, but companies have been successful serving niche markets often enough. (I'd start it myself, but I am not a businessmouse, and I know it.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Hi Chime, The organization for whom I work has an open support ticket with fastmail to discover what they can or cannot provide. Thanks, Karen On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Chime Hart wrote: Well, Karen, I have had fastmail for some years, since that 4 day Shellworld outage in May. Once fastmail is setup, it works well, but several functions in their interface, you must use a graphical browser. I also have my web-site hosted by them-and-they took away regular ncftp access, now I must use cadaver. Chime
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
panix.com has both roundcube and squirrelmail but we found both of those interfaces are inaccessible for command line users of linux so although I could set them up I couldn't access them effectively. That's why I am using spamassassin. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi folks, > As some may know google is force feeding the removal of access for basic html. > For me personally this presents several issues, shellworld is amazing in > general, but the owners have removed the right to review spam here all > together. > There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who still have web > interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of fastmail. > Anyone know of either an email service that incorporates these lower graphics > interfaces, or host mail in a way that allows full detailed inbox access in > a reliable way. > Even Links with its JavaScript touches, and elinks when compiled for > JavaScript might be an option, but asking about Lynx in case I have missed a > door. > Am a bit shaky here, lots of please fit into our disability box, or there is > no place for our freakishness stuff in my life lately. > I do not want to chance a gmail login, until i know where I am > going..shellworld is my alternative address for gmail, and with no spam folder > I might miss the two factor code option. > Lynx ideas for email? > Thanks, > Karen > > > > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?
Well, Karen, I have had fastmail for some years, since that 4 day Shellworld outage in May. Once fastmail is setup, it works well, but several functions in their interface, you must use a graphical browser. I also have my web-site hosted by them-and-they took away regular ncftp access, now I must use cadaver. Chime
