Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
"Amir" == Amir Karger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Amir I'll just reregister my opinion that while open source is a Amir great thing, it's not what we're selling here. We've mentioned Amir that LyX (and latex) are open source. Linux et al. are doing Amir just fine in the press and don't need our PR help. "LyX runs on Amir Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and most proprietary UNIX systems." Or Amir even, "LyX runs on most UNIX platforms." (Is it really "most"? Amir Do we know of a UNIX platform it *doesn't* run on? PDP-10? JMarc
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
I used to. Now that I have gcc 2.8.1 installed, I don't really feel like compiling a 70M binary again :) If you use gcc 2.8.1, you should know that the gcc line as such is dead. egcs has overtaken all gcc development. Egcs v1.1 is supposedly better than gcc 2.8.1. Even RMS has expressed a wish that egcs is going back to be "gnu official" compiler. PS: It seems you are back from the dead, Asger. That's good news :) I have finally managed to phase out one of my two jobs, and only have one half-time job and studies to attend to, in addition to social life. This way, I hope to get more time to hack on LyX, but I'm afraid that I will never have as much as I'd like to. (At least I'll be less stressed.) On the other hand, I do have a new and faster PC, a worse internet connection and this should in theory make me a bit more productive. Greets, Asger
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
"Asger" == Asger K Alstrup Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Asger Notice that gcc 2.9.0 will probably never come. egcs has Asger overtaken the compiler area. There is no one working on gcc Asger 2.8.x. I thought the idea was to rename egcs to gcc 2.9 or 3.0 or anything and continue with the egcs developping model. After all, the 'e' in egcs stands for 'experimental'. Do you have links about this? I found nothing on the egcs mailing lists. JMarc
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
jmarc jabbed, Amir Do we know of a UNIX platform it *doesn't* run on? PDP-10? did someone actually put unix on those? Hmm, there must be something besides tops-10 and -20, since someone is still selling clones . . . --
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
"Richard" == Richard E Hawkins Esq [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Richard jmarc jabbed, Amir Do we know of a UNIX platform it *doesn't* run on? PDP-10? Richard did someone actually put unix on those? I was under the impression that unix was developped for the PDP 10. But I might be wrong since (1) I've never seen a PDP 10 in my life and (2) I drunk too much white wine before lunch. JMarc
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
On Fre, 29 Jan 1999 Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: jmarc jabbed, Amir Do we know of a UNIX platform it *doesn't* run on? PDP-10? did someone actually put unix on those? Yes, I think so - pure assembler. C was developed to port Unix to the PDP-11, IIRC :-) Greetings, Jochen --- Jochen K"upper Heinrich-Heine-Universit"at D"usseldorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Institut f"ur Physikalische Chemie I Universit"atsstr. 1, Geb 26.43 Raum 02.29phone ++49-211-8113681 40225 D"usseldorffax ++49-211-8115195 Germany http://www-public.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~jochen ---
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Martin Vermeer wrote: I don't know about the PDP-10, but the PDP-11 is *very* well known to me. PDP-7 (quite different architecture) was one of the three original machines that Unix was written for. PDP-11/10 was my first "personal computer" here at the institute, around 1979. I wrote Fortran-4 on it when everyone else had gone home. A satellite orbit prediction program, even, that they successfully used to hit Lageos at 6000 km height with the satellite laser :-) I even programmed it in assembly; beautiful assembly language, bit like the 6809 from Motorola. (If Unix was never ported to it, it sure wasn't the architecture's fault!) I wrote floating point routines using "scaled" integers, as an FPU was lacking. Size about 2 m high, footprint 1 x 1 m. Exchangable disks of some 2 MB each (huge! :-) OS was RT-11, later (after we upgraded to PDP-11/45) TSX-11. Martin Ah yes! I cut my teeth on PDP-11/10 as well! The PDP-11 was a *VERY* nice clean 16 bit machine. I used RT-11, TSX-11, RSX-11M+, and UNIX V6 on PDP-11s. All were very nice operating systems, in their own way. With that upbringing, is it any wonder I *never* liked MSDOS or MS Windows? -- Dave | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brown | Packet: N2RJT@WB2PSI.#WNY.NY.USA.NOAM
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
> "Amir" == Amir Karger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Amir> I'll just reregister my opinion that while open source is a Amir> great thing, it's not what we're selling here. We've mentioned Amir> that LyX (and latex) are open source. Linux et al. are doing Amir> just fine in the press and don't need our PR help. "LyX runs on Amir> Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and most proprietary UNIX systems." Or Amir> even, "LyX runs on most UNIX platforms." (Is it really "most"? Amir> Do we know of a UNIX platform it *doesn't* run on? PDP-10? JMarc
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
> I used to. Now that I have gcc 2.8.1 installed, I don't really feel > like compiling a 70M binary again :) If you use gcc 2.8.1, you should know that the gcc line as such is dead. egcs has overtaken all gcc development. Egcs v1.1 is supposedly better than gcc 2.8.1. Even RMS has expressed a wish that egcs is going back to be "gnu official" compiler. > PS: It seems you are back from the dead, Asger. That's good news :) I have finally managed to phase out one of my two jobs, and only have one half-time job and studies to attend to, in addition to social life. This way, I hope to get more time to hack on LyX, but I'm afraid that I will never have as much as I'd like to. (At least I'll be less stressed.) On the other hand, I do have a new and faster PC, a worse internet connection and this should in theory make me a bit more productive. Greets, Asger
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
> "Asger" == Asger K Alstrup Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> Notice that gcc 2.9.0 will probably never come. egcs has Asger> overtaken the compiler area. There is no one working on gcc Asger> 2.8.x. I thought the idea was to rename egcs to gcc 2.9 or 3.0 or anything and continue with the egcs developping model. After all, the 'e' in egcs stands for 'experimental'. Do you have links about this? I found nothing on the egcs mailing lists. JMarc
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
jmarc jabbed, > Amir> Do we know of a UNIX platform it *doesn't* run on? > PDP-10? did someone actually put unix on those? Hmm, there must be something besides tops-10 and -20, since someone is still selling clones . . . --
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
> "Richard" == Richard E Hawkins Esq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Richard> jmarc jabbed, Amir> Do we know of a UNIX platform it *doesn't* run on? >> PDP-10? Richard> did someone actually put unix on those? I was under the impression that unix was developped for the PDP 10. But I might be wrong since (1) I've never seen a PDP 10 in my life and (2) I drunk too much white wine before lunch. JMarc
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
On Fre, 29 Jan 1999 Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: >jmarc jabbed, > > >> Amir> Do we know of a UNIX platform it *doesn't* run on? > >> PDP-10? > >did someone actually put unix on those? Yes, I think so - pure assembler. C was developed to port Unix to the PDP-11, IIRC :-) Greetings, Jochen --- Jochen K"upper Heinrich-Heine-Universit"at D"usseldorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Institut f"ur Physikalische Chemie I Universit"atsstr. 1, Geb 26.43 Raum 02.29phone ++49-211-8113681 40225 D"usseldorffax ++49-211-8115195 Germany http://www-public.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~jochen ---
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Martin Vermeer wrote: > I don't know about the PDP-10, but the PDP-11 is *very* well known to me. > > PDP-7 (quite different architecture) was one of the three original machines > that Unix was written for. > > PDP-11/10 was my first "personal computer" here at the institute, around 1979. > I wrote Fortran-4 on it when everyone else had gone home. A satellite orbit > prediction program, even, that they successfully used to hit Lageos at 6000 km > height with the satellite laser :-) > > I even programmed it in assembly; beautiful assembly language, bit like > the 6809 from Motorola. (If Unix was never ported to it, it sure wasn't > the architecture's fault!) I wrote floating point routines using "scaled" > integers, as an FPU was lacking. > > Size about 2 m high, footprint 1 x 1 m. Exchangable disks of some 2 MB each > (huge! :-) OS was RT-11, later (after we upgraded to PDP-11/45) TSX-11. > > Martin > Ah yes! I cut my teeth on PDP-11/10 as well! The PDP-11 was a *VERY* nice clean 16 bit machine. I used RT-11, TSX-11, RSX-11M+, and UNIX V6 on PDP-11s. All were very nice operating systems, in their own way. With that upbringing, is it any wonder I *never* liked MSDOS or MS Windows? -- Dave | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brown | Packet: N2RJT@WB2PSI.#WNY.NY.USA.NOAM
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
"Larry" == Larry S Marso [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Larry I worked over the language. Hope this is helpful. Hi Larry, This looks good. I'd say I like it almost as much as Martin's latest. JMarc
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 01:24:06PM -0500, Larry S. Marso wrote: LyX runs on standard Unix platforms, including Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD and most proprietary Unix systems. Having taken another look, the above might better read: Lyx runs on the free, open source Unix platforms Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD, and on most proprietary Unix systems.
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 12:32:38PM -0500, Larry S. Marso wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 01:24:06PM -0500, Larry S. Marso wrote: LyX runs on standard Unix platforms, including Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD and most proprietary Unix systems. Having taken another look, the above might better read: Lyx runs on the free, open source Unix platforms Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD, and on most proprietary Unix systems. I'll just reregister my opinion that while open source is a great thing, it's not what we're selling here. We've mentioned that LyX (and latex) are open source. Linux et al. are doing just fine in the press and don't need our PR help. "LyX runs on Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and most proprietary UNIX systems." Or even, "LyX runs on most UNIX platforms." (Is it really "most"? Do we know of a UNIX platform it *doesn't* run on? -Amir
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
"Larry" == Larry S Marso [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Larry Er, these are comments *on* Martin's latest. Best regards -- Isn't it a (partial) rewrite of Martin's latest?? I beginning to be lost in all these versions... JMarc It *was* a comment on my latest brainchild, yes... and I am taking it home, putting it side-by-side with mine, and tasting the two formulations on the tongue. Some of them are *very* sharp. I feel that it will be about a 50/50 mix :-) And of course I will do the Linux/Unix/X11 thing as discussed earlier here. Martin
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Yes, sorry LyX members. My email client sometimes encrypts messages when it's not appropriate. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth. Best regards -- Larry S. Marso [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 04:31:58PM -0500, Amir Karger wrote: Your last message was PGP signed! -Amir
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
> "Larry" == Larry S Marso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Larry> I worked over the language. Hope this is helpful. Hi Larry, This looks good. I'd say I like it almost as much as Martin's latest. JMarc
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 01:24:06PM -0500, Larry S. Marso wrote: > LyX runs on standard Unix platforms, including Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD > and most proprietary Unix systems. Having taken another look, the above might better read: Lyx runs on the free, open source Unix platforms Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD, and on most proprietary Unix systems.
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 12:32:38PM -0500, Larry S. Marso wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 01:24:06PM -0500, Larry S. Marso wrote: > > > LyX runs on standard Unix platforms, including Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD > > and most proprietary Unix systems. > > Having taken another look, the above might better read: > > Lyx runs on the free, open source Unix platforms Linux, FreeBSD and > NetBSD, and on most proprietary Unix systems. I'll just reregister my opinion that while open source is a great thing, it's not what we're selling here. We've mentioned that LyX (and latex) are open source. Linux et al. are doing just fine in the press and don't need our PR help. "LyX runs on Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and most proprietary UNIX systems." Or even, "LyX runs on most UNIX platforms." (Is it really "most"? Do we know of a UNIX platform it *doesn't* run on? -Amir
Re: Comments on latest LyX-PR
> > "Larry" == Larry S Marso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Larry> Er, these are comments *on* Martin's latest. Best regards -- > > Isn't it a (partial) rewrite of Martin's latest?? > > I beginning to be lost in all these versions... > > JMarc It *was* a comment on my latest brainchild, yes... and I am taking it home, putting it side-by-side with mine, and tasting the two formulations on the tongue. Some of them are *very* sharp. I feel that it will be about a 50/50 mix :-) And of course I will do the Linux/Unix/X11 thing as discussed earlier here. Martin
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Yes, sorry LyX members. My email client sometimes encrypts messages when it's not appropriate. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth. Best regards -- Larry S. Marso [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 04:31:58PM -0500, Amir Karger wrote: > Your last message was PGP signed! > > -Amir
Comments on latest LyX-PR
I worked over the language. Hope this is helpful. Public release of LyX version 1.0.0 === LyX, the Open Source Word Processor for Structured Documents LyX is an advanced, open source word processor for structured documents, written for Linux and several other UNIX operating systems. In fact, many users call it a "document processor". Unlike standard word processors, LyX encourages writing based on structure, not appearance. You are freed to concentrate on the words, leaving details of visual layout to the software. LyX automates formatting according to predefined rule sets, resulting in consistency throughout even the most complex documents. LyX produces high quality, professional output -- using LaTeX, an open source, industrial strength typesetting engine, in the background, With LyX, short notes or letters are a snap. LyX really shines, though, when composing complex documents like technical documentation, doctoral theses and conference proceedings. LyX has undergone a quantum leap in functionality over the last 18 months. This release offers extensive control over fonts, margins, headers/footers, spacing/indents, justification, bullet types in multilevel lists, a sophisticated table editor, version control for group projects -- the list goes on and on. LyX 1.0 includes many standard formats and templates, including letters, articles, books, overheads, even Hollywood scripts. Work is continuing on new "plug-in" formats and templates, following the open source development model. LyX presents the user with the familiar look and feel of a WYSIWYG word processor, but is in fact quite different. Users familiar with Microsoft Word or WordPerfect may be perplexed by certain basic LyX behavior. For example, repeatedly hitting the space bar has no effect! This is by design: LyX interprets proper spacing for you, intelligently. Welcome to the LyX paradigm! You set the "ground rules" and put the elements of your document into proper categories. For example, you tell LyX that a certain line is a Section title. Behind-the-scenes, LaTeX adds the Section to your table of contents, identifies the Section in your page header, starts a new page, assigns the Section a number or label, gives it a special "bold" appearence on the page, and tells other parts of your document what page it's on (for citations or references). Many of the headaches of traditional word processing just vanish. LaTeX easily processes hundreds of chapter and section labels, thousands of footnotes and inserted graphics, intricate cross-references, complex multi-level outlines, formatted tables of contents and lists of illustrations, and exhaustive indices or bibliographies, and is famous for the superb quality of its output. For users acquainted with raw LaTeX, LyX offers full LaTeX transparency, as well as import/export of LaTeX files. LyX includes advanced navigation features, including a table-of-contents window which acts as an outline browser, and "click-through" references linking citations to other parts of your document. LyX also automates sophisticated, multilevel section and list numbering, LyX also contains a fully integrated formula editor which is easily best-of-breed, offering WYSIWYG point-and-click convenience to LaTeX's legendary math typesetting capabilities. Think of LyX as a MYSIWYM "What You See Is What You MEAN" editor. LaTeX's formatting intelligence is interpreted and presented to the user as visual signals, and controlled by dialog boxes. You tell LyX how to treat particular words and lines in your document: e.g., this is standard text, this is a Section title, this is a footnote, this is a caption beneath an inserted graphic. As you click your selections, the WYSIWYM interface gives you clean, straightforward "visual cues" (actually, very WYSIWYG-like). This approach has ergonomic advantages. You can enlarge your screen fonts significantly and still display all your text on the screen -- without affecting the margins or other formatting of your output. Thus, you can work comfortably on small displays (or when your eyes are tired) and still get the final output right with just a couple of page previews. LaTeX processes your document into professionally typeset output, conveniently previewed with xdvi or ghostview. LyX includes excellent and copious on-line help -- a beginner's tutorial, user's guide, and additional manuals describing advanced features. LyX's menu subsystem has been translated into a dozen different (Latin character set) languages, each selectable at run time. LyX conspicuously lacks a filter for importing MS Word documents. The LyX Team has not considered this an important feature, as word processors in general are moving away from proprietary formats to the open XML standard. As long as you need continued access to legacy documents, we recommend retain a traditional word
