Re: How to not convert layout when pasting?
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 05:30:28PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 09/04/2021 à 16:58, Scott Kostyshak a écrit : > > Just to make sure I understand, according to this copy-based mechanism, > > suppose I have the following in an itemize paragraph: > > > >* This is a paragraph. > > > > If I copy just "This is", then when I paste into the empty enumerate > > item it would not be converted to itemize and enumerate would be > > preserved. On the other hand if I copy the full "This is a paragraph." > > then it would be converted. Do I understand correctly? This is > > interesting and I haven't thought about this possibility. I would have > > to pay more attention to when this issue comes up for me. I think it > > would cover most of the cases. > > Note that the difficulty with that is that the clipboard does not keep the > information of whether the paragraph was complete. But it could be possible > to reset the layout in the cliboard itself at copy time. I see. I think I like that idea, although I would need to think more and test to be sure. If there is interest, we could do a poll on LyX users for a couple of use cases to see what is expected. I do not have time (and I do not know this part of the code) to work on a patch though. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: How to not convert layout when pasting?
Le 09/04/2021 à 16:58, Scott Kostyshak a écrit : Just to make sure I understand, according to this copy-based mechanism, suppose I have the following in an itemize paragraph: * This is a paragraph. If I copy just "This is", then when I paste into the empty enumerate item it would not be converted to itemize and enumerate would be preserved. On the other hand if I copy the full "This is a paragraph." then it would be converted. Do I understand correctly? This is interesting and I haven't thought about this possibility. I would have to pay more attention to when this issue comes up for me. I think it would cover most of the cases. Note that the difficulty with that is that the clipboard does not keep the information of whether the paragraph was complete. But it could be possible to reset the layout in the cliboard itself at copy time. JMarc -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: How to not convert layout when pasting?
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 10:13:27AM +1200, Andrew Parsloe wrote: > On 9/04/2021 5:12 am, Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:01:29PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > > Sometimes I want to copy something from an itemize environment and > > > paste it into a new enumerate item. If I start a new enumerate item > > > and just paste, LyX converts the layout to itemize. My workaround is > > > to type "a" and then paste. This way, the enumerate is preserved. Then > > > I delete the "a". I forget why I developed this habit rather than just > > > pasting, let LyX convert to itemize, then simply convert back to > > > enumerate. Perhaps the nesting was not fixed when I do this instead? > > > In any case, that's not ideal either. > > > > > > Do others often run into a similar situation? > > Yes, all the time. This is really annoying. However, if you want to > > paste only text (no insets), put the following line in you user.bind file: > > > > \bind "C-M-v" "clipboard-paste-simple" > > > > and then use Ctrl+Alt+V for pasting. > > Thank you Enrico. This solves for me a matter that has often irritated. > Strangely, the very first time I tried Ctrl+Alt+V, copying from itemize to > enumerate, the bullet from the itemize environment was also copied so that > the result looked like "1. * itemize" (where the asterisk denotes the > itemize bullet). I've been unable to reproduce since (in 2.4.0-alpha3). Thanks, Enrico. I think most of the time it does have insets. But this idea does make me think about crafting a command-sequence that might work. The following seems to do what I want: command-sequence bookmark-save 0; self-insert A; paste; bookmark-save 9; bookmark-goto 0; char-delete-backward; bookmark-goto 9 The bookmark commands are because I did not find a "paragraph-begin" LFUN (I see only line-begin) and "paragraph-end". I started a new thread for this. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: How to not convert layout when pasting?
On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 07:29:47PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 08/04/2021 à 18:01, Scott Kostyshak a écrit : > > Sometimes I want to copy something from an itemize environment and paste it > > into a new enumerate item. If I start a new enumerate item and just paste, > > LyX converts the layout to itemize. My workaround is to type "a" and then > > paste. This way, the enumerate is preserved. Then I delete the "a". I > > forget why I developed this habit rather than just pasting, let LyX convert > > to itemize, then simply convert back to enumerate. Perhaps the nesting was > > not fixed when I do this instead? In any case, that's not ideal either. > > > What is done in other situations is to differentiate on whether a full > paragraph is pasted or just a fragment of a paragraph. This is the case when > inserting an inset over a selection. Would that work for you here? Just to make sure I understand, according to this copy-based mechanism, suppose I have the following in an itemize paragraph: * This is a paragraph. If I copy just "This is", then when I paste into the empty enumerate item it would not be converted to itemize and enumerate would be preserved. On the other hand if I copy the full "This is a paragraph." then it would be converted. Do I understand correctly? This is interesting and I haven't thought about this possibility. I would have to pay more attention to when this issue comes up for me. I think it would cover most of the cases. Scott > Otherwise the test for emptyness is explicit in the code, it is easy to > remove. We could test whether the receiving layout is the default layout > instead. > > JMarc > > -- > lyx-devel mailing list > lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org > http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: How to not convert layout when pasting?
I like this solution. el On 2021-04-08 18:24 , Kornel Benko wrote: [...] Maybe 2 different paste buttons? one with 'preserve source layout' the second with 'preserve destination layout' Or 'middle mouse click' vs. 'Shift middle mouse click ' Kornel -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: How to not convert layout when pasting?
On 9/04/2021 5:12 am, Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:01:29PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: Sometimes I want to copy something from an itemize environment and paste it into a new enumerate item. If I start a new enumerate item and just paste, LyX converts the layout to itemize. My workaround is to type "a" and then paste. This way, the enumerate is preserved. Then I delete the "a". I forget why I developed this habit rather than just pasting, let LyX convert to itemize, then simply convert back to enumerate. Perhaps the nesting was not fixed when I do this instead? In any case, that's not ideal either. Do others often run into a similar situation? Yes, all the time. This is really annoying. However, if you want to paste only text (no insets), put the following line in you user.bind file: \bind "C-M-v" "clipboard-paste-simple" and then use Ctrl+Alt+V for pasting. Thank you Enrico. This solves for me a matter that has often irritated. Strangely, the very first time I tried Ctrl+Alt+V, copying from itemize to enumerate, the bullet from the itemize environment was also copied so that the result looked like "1. * itemize" (where the asterisk denotes the itemize bullet). I've been unable to reproduce since (in 2.4.0-alpha3). Andrew -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: How to not convert layout when pasting?
Le 08/04/2021 à 18:01, Scott Kostyshak a écrit : Sometimes I want to copy something from an itemize environment and paste it into a new enumerate item. If I start a new enumerate item and just paste, LyX converts the layout to itemize. My workaround is to type "a" and then paste. This way, the enumerate is preserved. Then I delete the "a". I forget why I developed this habit rather than just pasting, let LyX convert to itemize, then simply convert back to enumerate. Perhaps the nesting was not fixed when I do this instead? In any case, that's not ideal either. What is done in other situations is to differentiate on whether a full paragraph is pasted or just a fragment of a paragraph. This is the case when inserting an inset over a selection. Would that work for you here? Otherwise the test for emptyness is explicit in the code, it is easy to remove. We could test whether the receiving layout is the default layout instead. JMarc -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: How to not convert layout when pasting?
On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:01:29PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > Sometimes I want to copy something from an itemize environment and > paste it into a new enumerate item. If I start a new enumerate item > and just paste, LyX converts the layout to itemize. My workaround is > to type "a" and then paste. This way, the enumerate is preserved. Then > I delete the "a". I forget why I developed this habit rather than just > pasting, let LyX convert to itemize, then simply convert back to > enumerate. Perhaps the nesting was not fixed when I do this instead? > In any case, that's not ideal either. > > Do others often run into a similar situation? Yes, all the time. This is really annoying. However, if you want to paste only text (no insets), put the following line in you user.bind file: \bind "C-M-v" "clipboard-paste-simple" and then use Ctrl+Alt+V for pasting. -- Enrico -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: How to not convert layout when pasting?
On 4/8/21 12:24 PM, Kornel Benko wrote: Am Thu, 8 Apr 2021 12:01:29 -0400 schrieb Scott Kostyshak : Sometimes I want to copy something from an itemize environment and paste it into a new enumerate item. If I start a new enumerate item and just paste, LyX converts the layout to itemize. My workaround is to type "a" and then paste. This way, the enumerate is preserved. Then I delete the "a". I forget why I developed this habit rather than just pasting, let LyX convert to itemize, then simply convert back to enumerate. Perhaps the nesting was not fixed when I do this instead? In any case, that's not ideal either. Do others often run into a similar situation? Is there a ticket with ideas for how to improve this? I think I remember racoon opened a ticket but I can't find it. What is the ideal functionality for you? Perhaps we can collect a few specific use cases? Use case A: I copy itemize and paste it into a new enumerate item. I want the enumerate to be preserved. Use case B: I copy itemize and paste it into a new enumerate item. I want itemize. Ideally, we would allow for the user to achieve both use case A and B without needing to explicitly convert the layout. What if "Paste Special > Plain Text" (Ctrl + Shift + V) pasted the text without converting the layout? I don't understand why that's currently not the case. If I remember correctly, when the clipboard item is a LyX item, Ctrl + Shift + V currently functions the same as Ctrl + V, but I'm not sure about that. If for some reason Ctrl + Shift + V is not the way to go, I suppose an alternative is for the user to signal their intent (between use case A and use case B) when *copying*. i.e., if the user does "Ctrl + Shift + C", this could mean "copy without layout". Then, the host layout dominates. I don't think I like this as much as an alternate paste but perhaps I could get used to this. Scott Maybe 2 different paste buttons? one with 'preserve source layout' the second with 'preserve destination layout' Or 'middle mouse click' vs. 'Shift middle mouse click ' It's hard to imagine a fully general solution here. It's just the first paragraph that's affected in such cases. I'm inclined in some ways to think that we should always just preserve the original layout, if it's being pasted into an empty paragraph. I think that's what people would normally expect. Riki -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: How to not convert layout when pasting?
Am Thu, 8 Apr 2021 12:01:29 -0400 schrieb Scott Kostyshak : > Sometimes I want to copy something from an itemize environment and paste it > into a new > enumerate item. If I start a new enumerate item and just paste, LyX converts > the layout > to itemize. My workaround is to type "a" and then paste. This way, the > enumerate is > preserved. Then I delete the "a". I forget why I developed this habit rather > than just > pasting, let LyX convert to itemize, then simply convert back to enumerate. > Perhaps the > nesting was not fixed when I do this instead? In any case, that's not ideal > either. > > Do others often run into a similar situation? Is there a ticket with ideas > for how to > improve this? I think I remember racoon opened a ticket but I can't find it. > > What is the ideal functionality for you? Perhaps we can collect a few > specific use > cases? > > Use case A: > I copy itemize and paste it into a new enumerate item. I want the enumerate > to be > preserved. > > Use case B: > I copy itemize and paste it into a new enumerate item. I want itemize. > > Ideally, we would allow for the user to achieve both use case A and B without > needing > to explicitly convert the layout. What if "Paste Special > Plain Text" (Ctrl > + Shift + > V) pasted the text without converting the layout? I don't understand why > that's > currently not the case. If I remember correctly, when the clipboard item is a > LyX item, > Ctrl + Shift + V currently functions the same as Ctrl + V, but I'm not sure > about that. > > If for some reason Ctrl + Shift + V is not the way to go, I suppose an > alternative is > for the user to signal their intent (between use case A and use case B) when > *copying*. > i.e., if the user does "Ctrl + Shift + C", this could mean "copy without > layout". Then, > the host layout dominates. I don't think I like this as much as an alternate > paste but > perhaps I could get used to this. > > Scott Maybe 2 different paste buttons? one with 'preserve source layout' the second with 'preserve destination layout' Or 'middle mouse click' vs. 'Shift middle mouse click ' Kornel pgpfsr2UXmY3D.pgp Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
How to not convert layout when pasting?
Sometimes I want to copy something from an itemize environment and paste it into a new enumerate item. If I start a new enumerate item and just paste, LyX converts the layout to itemize. My workaround is to type "a" and then paste. This way, the enumerate is preserved. Then I delete the "a". I forget why I developed this habit rather than just pasting, let LyX convert to itemize, then simply convert back to enumerate. Perhaps the nesting was not fixed when I do this instead? In any case, that's not ideal either. Do others often run into a similar situation? Is there a ticket with ideas for how to improve this? I think I remember racoon opened a ticket but I can't find it. What is the ideal functionality for you? Perhaps we can collect a few specific use cases? Use case A: I copy itemize and paste it into a new enumerate item. I want the enumerate to be preserved. Use case B: I copy itemize and paste it into a new enumerate item. I want itemize. Ideally, we would allow for the user to achieve both use case A and B without needing to explicitly convert the layout. What if "Paste Special > Plain Text" (Ctrl + Shift + V) pasted the text without converting the layout? I don't understand why that's currently not the case. If I remember correctly, when the clipboard item is a LyX item, Ctrl + Shift + V currently functions the same as Ctrl + V, but I'm not sure about that. If for some reason Ctrl + Shift + V is not the way to go, I suppose an alternative is for the user to signal their intent (between use case A and use case B) when *copying*. i.e., if the user does "Ctrl + Shift + C", this could mean "copy without layout". Then, the host layout dominates. I don't think I like this as much as an alternate paste but perhaps I could get used to this. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
