Re: the new sidebar
John Levon wrote: Whilst I appreciate the reasoning behind the new sidebar, it has an unfortunate side-effect: the scroll bar is now much harder to hit. Especially in full-screen mode, the scroll bar was of infinite width previously. If you're talking about the view/upgrade toolbar: I think Uwe just put it on the right because of a toolbar/session bug that is now fixed. I think that toolbar can go now where Uwe initiallly intended it to be. Uwe? Jürgen
Re: the new sidebar
John == John Levon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Whilst I appreciate the reasoning behind the new sidebar, it has John an unfortunate side-effect: the scroll bar is now much harder to John hit. Especially in full-screen mode, the scroll bar was of John infinite width previously. John I'd much, much, prefer it to be on the left. Agreed. I cannot think right now of other programs that set the icons to the right. JMarc
Re: the new sidebar
If you're talking about the view/upgrade toolbar: I think Uwe just put it on the right because of a toolbar/session bug that is now fixed. I think that toolbar can go now where Uwe initially intended it to be. Yes this was the original reason. But now that I used it for a while in this position I like it there. Other programs also have toolbars on the left and/or right (Photoshop, AutoCAD, Illustrator, etc.). I cannot see why the position makes it difficult to access the scrollbar. My original intention was to place it behind the Standard toolbar but I don't know if there's enough space behind it for the different screen resolutions. I don't like to have it as third toolbar line on top because this consumes too much space, when it is at the side you see more of your text as the screen is always wider than it height. So if you really think it cannot be at the right side I propose to put it on the left side. Decide together with the others about the place. regards Uwe
Re: the new sidebar
Uwe Stöhr wrote: Yes this was the original reason. But now that I used it for a while in this position I like it there. Other programs also have toolbars on the left and/or right (Photoshop, AutoCAD, Illustrator, etc.). I cannot see why the position makes it difficult to access the scrollbar. My original intention was to place it behind the Standard toolbar but I don't know if there's enough space behind it for the different screen resolutions. I don't like to have it as third toolbar line on top because this consumes too much space, when it is at the side you see more of your text as the screen is always wider than it height. So if you really think it cannot be at the right side I propose to put it on the left side. Decide together with the others about the place. I agree with John and Jean-Marc that the right side is irritating because of the scrollbar. Besides, this toolbar is so short that it looks like a huge waste of space to me if it uses a row of its own (left or right). Personally, I will put it on top anyway. So now that placing multiple toolbars on one row works (at least in the session file, i.e. _after_ the first startup), I'd vote for putting this toolbar on top. What do others think? Jürgen
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Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: What do others think? on top. if people want a toolbar elsewhere they can always drag it there i guess. talking about toolbars: i suggest to put the spellcheck button on the main toolbar
Re: the new sidebar
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 02:15:19PM +0100, Edwin Leuven wrote: Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: What do others think? on top. if people want a toolbar elsewhere they can always drag it there i guess. Is there some way to tell lyx to put it on the same line as another toolbar? john
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John Levon wrote: Is there some way to tell lyx to put it on the same line as another toolbar? No. But session restores the toolbars on the line you dragged them to. Jürgen
Re: the new sidebar
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: John Levon wrote: Is there some way to tell lyx to put it on the same line as another toolbar? No. But session restores the toolbars on the line you dragged them to. Well, in a way, if he drags the line there he's telling LyX to put it there, isn't he? ;-) Abdel.
Re: the new sidebar
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:32:45PM +0100, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Is there some way to tell lyx to put it on the same line as another toolbar? No. But session restores the toolbars on the line you dragged them to. Well, I was thinking of how we make the dvi toolbar default to not using an entire new line... regards john
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John Levon wrote: Well, I was thinking of how we make the dvi toolbar default to not using an entire new line... It's not possible. Initially, all toolbars get their own line. However, once you moved the dvi toolbar, say, bhing the main toolbar, it will be restored in that line by session. Jürgen
Re: the new sidebar
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:46:59PM +0100, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Well, I was thinking of how we make the dvi toolbar default to not using an entire new line... It's not possible. Initially, all toolbars get their own line. However, once you moved the dvi toolbar, say, bhing the main toolbar, it will be restored in that line by session. Then have we considered making this small toolbar just added onto the first toolbar? regards john
Re: the new sidebar
John Levon wrote: Then have we considered making this small toolbar just added onto the first toolbar? You mean: include it in the main toolbar? Yes. But this has the disadvantage that it cannot be switched on/off in toto. What is your problem with the current approach? Jürgen
Re: the new sidebar
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 05:22:42PM +0100, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Then have we considered making this small toolbar just added onto the first toolbar? You mean: include it in the main toolbar? Yes. But this has the disadvantage that it cannot be switched on/off in toto. What is your problem with the current approach? You've confused me. My problem is that it's on the RHS ... was there a commit I missed? regards john
Re: the new sidebar
John Levon wrote: What is your problem with the current approach? You've confused me. My problem is that it's on the RHS ... was there a commit I missed? No. However, I proposed to put it on top initially. Uwe put it on the RHS because until recently, every toolbar got its own row on top, which meant 3 rows in any case (it was not possible to store the position) Now, it is possible to put multiple toolbars on the same row and the position is stored, but only on session level, i.e. after the user had dragged it on the first row, for instance. My proposal means: Initially, you would get the three toolbars on 3 rows. If you dragged the view toolbar on the first or third row, you would get two rows after that, because session restores that. Clearer now? Jürgen
Re: the new sidebar
John Levon wrote: > Whilst I appreciate the reasoning behind the new sidebar, it has an > unfortunate side-effect: the scroll bar is now much harder to hit. > Especially in full-screen mode, the scroll bar was of infinite width > previously. If you're talking about the view/upgrade toolbar: I think Uwe just put it on the right because of a toolbar/session bug that is now fixed. I think that toolbar can go now where Uwe initiallly intended it to be. Uwe? Jürgen
Re: the new sidebar
> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> Whilst I appreciate the reasoning behind the new sidebar, it has John> an unfortunate side-effect: the scroll bar is now much harder to John> hit. Especially in full-screen mode, the scroll bar was of John> infinite width previously. John> I'd much, much, prefer it to be on the left. Agreed. I cannot think right now of other programs that set the icons to the right. JMarc
Re: the new sidebar
> If you're talking about the view/upgrade toolbar: I think Uwe just put it on > the right because of a toolbar/session bug that is now fixed. I think that > toolbar can go now where Uwe initially intended it to be. Yes this was the original reason. But now that I used it for a while in this position I like it there. Other programs also have toolbars on the left and/or right (Photoshop, AutoCAD, Illustrator, etc.). I cannot see why the position makes it difficult to access the scrollbar. My original intention was to place it behind the Standard toolbar but I don't know if there's enough space behind it for the different screen resolutions. I don't like to have it as third toolbar line on top because this consumes too much space, when it is at the side you see more of your text as the screen is always wider than it height. So if you really think it cannot be at the right side I propose to put it on the left side. Decide together with the others about the place. regards Uwe
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Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Yes this was the original reason. But now that I used it for a while in > this position I like it there. Other programs also have toolbars on the > left and/or right (Photoshop, AutoCAD, Illustrator, etc.). > I cannot see why the position makes it difficult to access the scrollbar. > My original intention was to place it behind the Standard toolbar but I > don't know if there's enough space behind it for the different screen > resolutions. > > I don't like to have it as third toolbar line on top because this consumes > too much space, when it is at the side you see more of your text as the > screen is always wider than it height. So if you really think it cannot be > at the right side I propose to put it on the left side. > > Decide together with the others about the place. I agree with John and Jean-Marc that the right side is irritating because of the scrollbar. Besides, this toolbar is so short that it looks like a huge waste of space to me if it uses a row of its own (left or right). Personally, I will put it on top anyway. So now that placing multiple toolbars on one row works (at least in the session file, i.e. _after_ the first startup), I'd vote for putting this toolbar on top. What do others think? Jürgen
Re: the new sidebar
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: What do others think? on top. if people want a toolbar elsewhere they can always drag it there i guess. talking about toolbars: i suggest to put the spellcheck button on the main toolbar
Re: the new sidebar
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 02:15:19PM +0100, Edwin Leuven wrote: > Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > >What do others think? > > on top. if people want a toolbar elsewhere they can always drag it there > i guess. Is there some way to tell lyx to put it on the same line as another toolbar? john
Re: the new sidebar
John Levon wrote: > Is there some way to tell lyx to put it on the same line as another > toolbar? No. But session restores the toolbars on the line you dragged them to. Jürgen
Re: the new sidebar
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: John Levon wrote: Is there some way to tell lyx to put it on the same line as another toolbar? No. But session restores the toolbars on the line you dragged them to. Well, in a way, if he drags the line there he's telling LyX to put it there, isn't he? ;-) Abdel.
Re: the new sidebar
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:32:45PM +0100, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > > Is there some way to tell lyx to put it on the same line as another > > toolbar? > > No. But session restores the toolbars on the line you dragged them to. Well, I was thinking of how we make the dvi toolbar default to not using an entire new line... regards john
Re: the new sidebar
John Levon wrote: > Well, I was thinking of how we make the dvi toolbar default to not using > an entire new line... It's not possible. Initially, all toolbars get their own line. However, once you moved the dvi toolbar, say, bhing the main toolbar, it will be restored in that line by session. Jürgen
Re: the new sidebar
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:46:59PM +0100, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > > Well, I was thinking of how we make the dvi toolbar default to not using > > an entire new line... > > It's not possible. Initially, all toolbars get their own line. However, once > you moved the dvi toolbar, say, bhing the main toolbar, it will be restored > in that line by session. Then have we considered making this small toolbar just added onto the first toolbar? regards john
Re: the new sidebar
John Levon wrote: > Then have we considered making this small toolbar just added onto the > first toolbar? You mean: include it in the main toolbar? Yes. But this has the disadvantage that it cannot be switched on/off in toto. What is your problem with the current approach? Jürgen
Re: the new sidebar
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 05:22:42PM +0100, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > > Then have we considered making this small toolbar just added onto the > > first toolbar? > > You mean: include it in the main toolbar? Yes. But this has the disadvantage > that it cannot be switched on/off in toto. > > What is your problem with the current approach? You've confused me. My problem is that it's on the RHS ... was there a commit I missed? regards john
Re: the new sidebar
John Levon wrote: > > What is your problem with the current approach? > > You've confused me. My problem is that it's on the RHS ... was there a > commit I missed? No. However, I proposed to put it on top initially. Uwe put it on the RHS because until recently, every toolbar got its own row on top, which meant 3 rows in any case (it was not possible to store the position) Now, it is possible to put multiple toolbars on the same row and the position is stored, but only on session level, i.e. after the user had dragged it on the first row, for instance. My proposal means: Initially, you would get the three toolbars on 3 rows. If you dragged the view toolbar on the first or third row, you would get two rows after that, because session restores that. Clearer now? Jürgen
