Screencast of new math macro implementation

2007-05-11 Thread Stefan Schimanski

Hi!

I work on a better implementation of math macros for some time now.  
Accidently I was playing around with some screencast tools and made a  
demonstration of the current state of the system:


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Gys4rp3u4

Make the video fullscreen to see what's going on. Mainly it shows the  
design choice how math macros look to the user, like the possibility  
to fold/unfold, add and removing parameters greedily and non- 
greedily, and the flexibility coming from position awareness of the  
macro definitions, including support for master documents.


Stefan

P.S.: No, there is no audio, it's a silent movie :)


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Re: Screencast of new math macro implementation

2007-05-11 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Stefan Schimanski wrote:

Hi!

I work on a better implementation of math macros for some time now. 
Accidently I was playing around with some screencast tools and made a 
demonstration of the current state of the system:


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Gys4rp3u4

Make the video fullscreen to see what's going on. Mainly it shows the 
design choice how math macros look to the user, like the possibility to 
fold/unfold, add and removing parameters greedily and non-greedily, and 
the flexibility coming from position awareness of the macro definitions, 
including support for master documents.


That's a bit complicated at first glance but it sure looks *impressive*.

Abdel.



Re: Screencast of new math macro implementation

2007-05-11 Thread Stefan Schimanski


Am 11.05.2007 um 14:24 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:


Stefan Schimanski wrote:

Hi!
I work on a better implementation of math macros for some time  
now. Accidently I was playing around with some screencast tools  
and made a demonstration of the current state of the system:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Gys4rp3u4
Make the video fullscreen to see what's going on. Mainly it shows  
the design choice how math macros look to the user, like the  
possibility to fold/unfold, add and removing parameters greedily  
and non-greedily, and the flexibility coming from position  
awareness of the macro definitions, including support for master  
documents.


That's a bit complicated at first glance but it sure looks  
*impressive*.


What exactly is complicated?

One missing bit still is the macro creation, some menu command or  
toolbar button. This \newcommand...+C-m is non-intuitive.


In the same way some nice icon in a toolbar could make modification  
of macros easier. The add/remove param commands are too deep in the  
menu. But that was not my focus. Making them easier accessible is  
trivial.


Stefan




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Re: Screencast of new math macro implementation

2007-05-11 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Stefan Schimanski wrote:


Am 11.05.2007 um 14:24 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:


Stefan Schimanski wrote:

Hi!
I work on a better implementation of math macros for some time now. 
Accidently I was playing around with some screencast tools and made a 
demonstration of the current state of the system:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Gys4rp3u4
Make the video fullscreen to see what's going on. Mainly it shows the 
design choice how math macros look to the user, like the possibility 
to fold/unfold, add and removing parameters greedily and 
non-greedily, and the flexibility coming from position awareness of 
the macro definitions, including support for master documents.


That's a bit complicated at first glance but it sure looks *impressive*.


What exactly is complicated?

One missing bit still is the macro creation, some menu command or 
toolbar button. This \newcommand...+C-m is non-intuitive.


In the same way some nice icon in a toolbar could make modification of 
macros easier. The add/remove param commands are too deep in the menu. 
But that was not my focus. Making them easier accessible is trivial.


Yes, all of that gives the feeling of complicatedness ;-)

Abdel.



Re: Screencast of new math macro implementation

2007-05-11 Thread Richard Heck
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 Stefan Schimanski wrote:
 Am 11.05.2007 um 14:24 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
 Stefan Schimanski wrote:
 I work on a better implementation of math macros for some time now.
 Accidently I was playing around with some screencast tools and made
 a demonstration of the current state of the system:
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Gys4rp3u4
 Make the video fullscreen to see what's going on. Mainly it shows
 the design choice how math macros look to the user, like the
 possibility to fold/unfold, add and removing parameters greedily
 and non-greedily, and the flexibility coming from position
 awareness of the macro definitions, including support for master
 documents.
 That's a bit complicated at first glance but it sure looks
 *impressive*.
 What exactly is complicated?
 Yes, all of that gives the feeling of complicatedness ;-)
I think it probably seems complicated the way anything powerful is
complicated.  This can obviously be used to do about a billion things.
But wow, it looks amazing. I hereby volunteer to help test it. I'd love
to be able to use this in my own work. (I was the one who filed the
child docs bug.)

Richard

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Screencast of new math macro implementation

2007-05-11 Thread Stefan Schimanski

Hi!

I work on a better implementation of math macros for some time now.  
Accidently I was playing around with some screencast tools and made a  
demonstration of the current state of the system:


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Gys4rp3u4

Make the video fullscreen to see what's going on. Mainly it shows the  
design choice how math macros look to the user, like the possibility  
to fold/unfold, add and removing parameters greedily and non- 
greedily, and the flexibility coming from position awareness of the  
macro definitions, including support for master documents.


Stefan

P.S.: No, there is no audio, it's a silent movie :)


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Re: Screencast of new math macro implementation

2007-05-11 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Stefan Schimanski wrote:

Hi!

I work on a better implementation of math macros for some time now. 
Accidently I was playing around with some screencast tools and made a 
demonstration of the current state of the system:


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Gys4rp3u4

Make the video fullscreen to see what's going on. Mainly it shows the 
design choice how math macros look to the user, like the possibility to 
fold/unfold, add and removing parameters greedily and non-greedily, and 
the flexibility coming from position awareness of the macro definitions, 
including support for master documents.


That's a bit complicated at first glance but it sure looks *impressive*.

Abdel.



Re: Screencast of new math macro implementation

2007-05-11 Thread Stefan Schimanski


Am 11.05.2007 um 14:24 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:


Stefan Schimanski wrote:

Hi!
I work on a better implementation of math macros for some time  
now. Accidently I was playing around with some screencast tools  
and made a demonstration of the current state of the system:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Gys4rp3u4
Make the video fullscreen to see what's going on. Mainly it shows  
the design choice how math macros look to the user, like the  
possibility to fold/unfold, add and removing parameters greedily  
and non-greedily, and the flexibility coming from position  
awareness of the macro definitions, including support for master  
documents.


That's a bit complicated at first glance but it sure looks  
*impressive*.


What exactly is complicated?

One missing bit still is the macro creation, some menu command or  
toolbar button. This "\newcommand..."+C-m is non-intuitive.


In the same way some nice icon in a toolbar could make modification  
of macros easier. The add/remove param commands are too deep in the  
menu. But that was not my focus. Making them easier accessible is  
trivial.


Stefan




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Re: Screencast of new math macro implementation

2007-05-11 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

Stefan Schimanski wrote:


Am 11.05.2007 um 14:24 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:


Stefan Schimanski wrote:

Hi!
I work on a better implementation of math macros for some time now. 
Accidently I was playing around with some screencast tools and made a 
demonstration of the current state of the system:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Gys4rp3u4
Make the video fullscreen to see what's going on. Mainly it shows the 
design choice how math macros look to the user, like the possibility 
to fold/unfold, add and removing parameters greedily and 
non-greedily, and the flexibility coming from position awareness of 
the macro definitions, including support for master documents.


That's a bit complicated at first glance but it sure looks *impressive*.


What exactly is complicated?

One missing bit still is the macro creation, some menu command or 
toolbar button. This "\newcommand..."+C-m is non-intuitive.


In the same way some nice icon in a toolbar could make modification of 
macros easier. The add/remove param commands are too deep in the menu. 
But that was not my focus. Making them easier accessible is trivial.


Yes, all of that gives the feeling of complicatedness ;-)

Abdel.



Re: Screencast of new math macro implementation

2007-05-11 Thread Richard Heck
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Stefan Schimanski wrote:
>> Am 11.05.2007 um 14:24 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
>>> Stefan Schimanski wrote:
 I work on a better implementation of math macros for some time now.
 Accidently I was playing around with some screencast tools and made
 a demonstration of the current state of the system:
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Gys4rp3u4
 Make the video fullscreen to see what's going on. Mainly it shows
 the design choice how math macros look to the user, like the
 possibility to fold/unfold, add and removing parameters greedily
 and non-greedily, and the flexibility coming from position
 awareness of the macro definitions, including support for master
 documents.
>>> That's a bit complicated at first glance but it sure looks
>>> *impressive*.
>> What exactly is complicated?
> Yes, all of that gives the feeling of complicatedness ;-)
I think it probably seems complicated the way anything powerful is
complicated.  This can obviously be used to do about a billion things.
But wow, it looks amazing. I hereby volunteer to help test it. I'd love
to be able to use this in my own work. (I was the one who filed the
"child docs" bug.)

Richard

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