Re: LyX

[Allan Rae]

Allan: The learned Russell disseminates wisdom again.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, DUVAL Laurent wrote:

> I have asked my brother who is a linguist, medieval latin sometimes
> uses the letter "y" instead of "i". So it may not be latin, but why
> not medieval latin?
>
> This information surely needs cross-checks.

Mediaeval scribes noticed that many of the more educated words they were
transcribing were of Greek origin; some of these could be easily
identified by the presence of letters not native to Latin: y, z, ch, th
(representing upsilon, zeta, chi and theta respectively). The Latins (and
therefore we English) pronounced these letters using Latin sounds: i, s,
k, t. The good monks thought that it would make their work look really
cool if they sprinkled a few of these through the manuscript, like 'pynus'
for pinus or 'Zion' for Sion; some mistakes were later corrected (pine)
while others survived (Zion-ist). The -y- has entirely disappeared from
Italian (except in recent borrowings), and so St Syrus (originally from
Syria) was buried in Italy as St Sirus. In French and English the
pronunciation of -y- behaves exactly as that of -i- (English tyre =
American tire), and final -y is often pluralized -ies. (Ski as compared
with sky is not an exception, since 'ski' is a recent borrowing.)
Unfortunately, intrusive -y- is still an error in mediaeval manuscripts,
no matter how cool it looks.

Russell.

what interesting thread! (help with printing too?)

[get86]

wow! a monster full of exciting information i've created/copied i guess: LyX.

i am running LyX on Mac OS XonXFree86.

how do i setup printing? (via Appletalk).  maybe this is a XFree on 
Mac thing, but whatever it is... i need to get printing setup and 
haven't a clue!

TIA

Re: Re: LyX

[Allan Rae]

Allan:  Again Russell has been driving the keyboard.  Good work Guenter.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Guenter Milde wrote:
[...]
> Although TEX = tech on itself is not a lexem but an acronym of the root
> techni-. (like in the Russian GOSAGROTEXEXPORT - a neologism made up in the
> same "non-linguistic" way as KOLXOS for collective enterprise).
>
> Even further, does there exist any greek word that has a chi at the end?
> (Latex (=rubber) is neither greek, nor is the x a chi)
> (What does Mr. Russell say?)

The rule in Greek is that all words end in a vowel or -n or -s or -s
combinations (-xi, psi)

> On the other hand, also among computer scientists the invention of
orthographic
> variants is common use. Besides the famous unics -> unix (which probabely
> started it all) there is the family of k-something from the KDE (Konqueror,
> Krabber, Kleandisk,...). All preserve the pronounciation, as does lyrics ->
> lyrix (if the x is an ex and not a chi).
>
>
> > So I stick to my contention that LyX is pronounced as the lych in
> > polychromatic.

This would make the pronunciation lik (po-lik-romatik)

> This example is a bit problematic, as one would have to chop phonems out of
> their embedding into syllabels. Poly-chromatic (multi-colored) is actually a
> compound i.e. the ch is not at the end but at the beginning of a word which
> makes a difference. (even Germans would say [polikromatisch] but the German
> or Scotish Loch = [loch] (or [lokh], just to make clear it is not [lok]))

According to rule, as loch is being assimilated into English, it is coming
to be pronounced lok. (Interestingly, this is what happened between Greek
and Latin: the Greek -ch- was pronounced -k- in Latin, and confusions
occurred. This is why we spell anchor and lachrymal - originally ancora
and lacrima - the way we do.)

> > TeX is pronounced tek (probably   [better: accurately GM]  with a bit of gargle 
>and aspiration)
> > but definitely
> > not tex as in Texas.  Knuth spelt the X in uppercase and said that it
> > was tau, epsilon, chi.
>
> Actually, he spelt it all uppercase TEX, the minor e is just ASCII-art for the
> halfway down capital Epsilon. Therefore, there is an ambiguity, as all
> letters happen to be in both latin and greek alphabets. This ambiguity is
> solved by D. Knuths statement that it is to be read as Tau Epsilon Chi.

which is to be pronounced tek- as in: technical

> The use of Greek words in Latin text is common among e.g. theological texts
> as is the use of Greec letters in mathematics. There is however a
> convention, not to mix the alphabets in one word

it is impossible to have Greek and Latin letters in one word: such a
sequence has stopped being a word.

> - or if so (in compounds), to use a hyphen.
> (Ok, compounds like LaTeX or BibTeX dont use a hyphen, still they quote the
> entire TeX - so they are compounds also rather than simple words.)

Russell.

Re: LyX

[Allan Rae]

Allan's response is:
You've done it now.  Them's fightin' words!

Russell's more refined responses follow.

On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, John O'Gorman wrote:

> Allan Rae wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, John O'Gorman wrote:
> >
> >
>
> > > eXceed is not an example of X at the end of the word.
> >
> > It's also not at the start.  It's in the middle!
> >
> > > The x in Applix is the x of Unix not the X of X Window.
> >
> > So some other applications can use the X from X-Windows at the beginning
> > or the middle
>
> I think the X in eXceed is at the beginning rather than the middle
> (Can you have a middle of a 2 syllable word?).

You may not be able to have the middle syllable of a two-syllable word,
but you can certainly have a medial letter in any word of more than three
letters.

(Allan: Just for the record IMHO if a letter isn't the first letter of a
word and not the last letter of a word it is in the middle.)

> > but not at the end like LyX?  But they can use the x from
> > the end of Unix at the end?  Seems a bit restricted.
>
> Why? Lots of Unix derivates and associated software have a final x:
> Uniplex, Xenix, HPUX, Ultrix, Linux, Applix and obviously the x is
> there to suggest the connection with Unix (and not X window). In all
> such instances the x is lowercase.
>
> > Russell (Allan's secret weapon):
> > With made up words English conventions can be flouted because the
> > structures no longer represent the written equivalent of the
> > spoken language but rather code words for new constructs.
> > The pronunciation however still has to obey the conventions.
> > Words in -X must be pronounced -ks.
>
> Where did your linguist get the above rule (not from Chonsky or Pink, I
> imagine).
> The secret weapon is a blunt sword.

Chomsky (notice the medial -m-) and Pink are grammarians, not
orthographers, so it would be quite unusual to hear either of these
gentlemen comment on the latter. The rules for English pronunciation are
like the British constitution - not written, but real and binding
nevertheless. A writer is simply not entitled to take a letter and declare
that he now wishes the rest of us to pronounce it a new way.


> TeX is pronounced tek

only by you

> (probably with a bit of gargle and aspiration)

that would be your throat protesting against the outrage

> but definitely not tex as in Texas.  Knuth spelt the X in uppercase
> and said that it was tau, epsilon, chi. So the X is just like the XP
> you see in Catholic churches.

(of course, chi-rho is also seen in Orthodox and Protestant churches;
these are the first two letters of Christ's name which, as it happens,
is pronounced kr- in all the relevant languages)

> Were it to pronounced x it would be Tex not TeX.

These non-native English speakers are creating a phenomenon with which
this native speaker has not the joy to be acquainted, viz. the change of
the phonemic value of a letter when it is capitalized. I do not know
that this can happen in ANY language. Now a logo or trademark can have
symbols in it, which may look like one letter while being pronounced
as another, but such constructions have stopped being words. The WORD TeX
must be pronounced in conformity with the orthographical rules of the
languauge.

> He chose this rendering (rather than ch) so that it LOOKED LIKE the
> Greek letter CHI using a Latin alphabet.
> 
> The pronunciation of a letter or combination like ch depends on the
> word's history
> Witness the pronunciation of chant, loch, character, chianti, fiche,
> technique, school, schedule, ...

This statement is only partially true. While -ch- boasts a wide variety of
pronunciations, these all conform to a small set of rules. Recent
borrowings, for example, retain (allowing for the English phonemic
structure) the original pronunciation - loch, fiche, chianti. (I needn't
add that the pronunciation of the -ch- in each of these languages is also
assured by its own rules.)

   Words in which an original c- or k- was aspirated acquire the
pronunciation normally represented in English by ch-, e.g. chant (from
Latin c-antus) or church (from Greek k-yr(ia)k-os)

   In words borrowed directly from Greek, however, -ch- is pronounced -k-,
as in school, character or technique. Schedule belongs to a handful of
words in which the pronunciation is irregular: our trans-Atlantic friends
pronounce this word regularly, viz. skedule, as though it were derived
straight from Greek. But as you no doubt know, the -ul- infix is not Greek
but Latin and therefore intrusive, indicating that the word was put
together in post-Greek times. This particular example (there is only a
handful of them) was pronounced in the German fashion, sch-edule.

   It will be seen, then, that a very small set of rules handles the
correct pronunciation of all English words. As you say, these rules are
intimately tied to the history of the word, but this only highlights the
application of the rule-set, and hardly neg

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Re: PS images for PDF files

[Steffen Evers]

On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 09:23, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 10:48:32PM +0200, Adolfo Pachón wrote:
> > I'm a .tex version of an LyX document, that include PostScript graphics.
> > How can I generate the images in the PDF output with pdflatex?
> 
> Okay, there are two approaches:
> (1) Use the tex2pdf script (I think it's findable on
> ) which converts your EPS figures into PDF figures
> on the fly.  This works with most of them, but not all of them.

You will find tex2pdf here:
http://tex2pdf.berlios.de/

Bye, Steffen

Re: PS images for PDF files

[Kathryn Andersen]

On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 10:48:32PM +0200, Adolfo Pachón wrote:
> I'm a .tex version of an LyX document, that include PostScript graphics.
> How can I generate the images in the PDF output with pdflatex?

Okay, there are two approaches:
(1) Use the tex2pdf script (I think it's findable on
) which converts your EPS figures into PDF figures
on the fly.  This works with most of them, but not all of them.

(2) Do it yourself (with more control) like this:

  (a) in the LyX document, for each figure, click on it and check that
   the filename used for the inclusion *does not* have the extension on it.
   That is, if the file is "fig1.eps", you should just have "fig1"

  (b) for each figure, generate your own PDF-compatible file.
  You can use epstopdf to convert it into a PDF file.
  However, you could also make the file into PNG or JPG format
  (with me, since my original files were already in JPG format,
  it made sense to stick with that)

  (c) convert to PDF in the usual way.  Because the LyX source doesn't
  have the extension, the programs are clever enough to pick up the
  correct file, using the EPS file for LyX and Postscript, and the
  PDF/PNG/JPG file for pdflatex.

Hope this helps.

Kathryn Andersen
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Re: Figure float request

[Herbert Voss]

"Stephan D. Picard" wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a rather peculiar request about figure float. To the extent of my
> knowledge, I'm not sure if this is possible but let's see what the 'gurus'
> say.
> 
> I'm working on my thesis in which there is plenty of measurements figure
> to include. Each 'block' consist of two figure, one on top of the
> other. My actual way of dealing with it is to use a figure float with
> subfigure in it, make it the dimension of a page and have the standard
> float placement specs as to have this on a seperate page.
> 
> Now, there is a LOT of these and to reduce space, I would like to have two
> of these blocks on one page, rotated (90 degrees) and reduced (the reduce
> part is not hard, just have to set the eps dimensions) and side by
> side. Now, because each block has 2 subfigures, it makes it a bit tricky
> (I can't seperate these two parts of each block). Now, if there's an odd
> number of blocks, I would like the pairing left-out to be not-rotated and
> placed in the document as a usual float.
> 
> What came to mind was to use the lscape package and have the figure
> rotated with it but I don't think it's possible to put the
> 
> \begin{landscape}
> float1
> float2
> \end{landscape}
> 
> into a float thus makes it hard to control the flow of text on the page
> before that page with 2 blocks (meaning that I might be left
> with half a blank page before that 'landscaped' page.
> 
> Does my request make sense? Is it at all possible? See the "drawings" at
> the bottom to understand better.

have a look at
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/floats/nonFloat.html

for nonFloats inside floats and subfigure

also look at package rotating for sidewaysfigure

Herbert

-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: decorations...

[Dekel Tsur]

> how can i make an arrow with two top? i have to insert it ON a character...
> it is the tensor symbol... thanks...

If you need an arrow over a _single_ character, use
\stackrel  \Rightarrow  X
where X is the character.
You can define a math macro for faster typing.

If you need the arrow over several chars, then use the attached
fill.sty package (put \usepackage{fill} in the preamble),
and use \overbrack{xy} in the formula
(you only need to write \overbrack{xy as lyx automatically adds the
closing } )

PS: Don't mix the two methods!


\ifx\@fill@loaded\undefined   % pb avec dia.sty
% ==
%  FLECHES =
% ==

\newbox\@strutbox@
\setbox\@strutbox@\hbox{\vrule height8pt depth3pt width0pt}
\def\strut@{\copy\@strutbox@}

\def\overrightarrow{\mathpalette\overrightarrow@}
\def\overrightarrow@#1#2{\vbox{\ialign{$##$\cr
 #1{-}\mkern-6mu\cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{-}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 \mkern-6mu{\to}\cr\noalign{\kern-.2326ex\nointerlineskip}\hfil#1#2\hfil\cr}}}
\let\overarrow\overrightarrow
\def\overleftarrow{\mathpalette\overleftarrow@}
\def\overleftarrow@#1#2{\vbox{\ialign{$##$\cr
 #1{\leftarrow}\mkern-6mu\cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{-}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 \mkern-6mu{-}\cr\noalign{\kern-.2326ex\nointerlineskip}\hfil#1#2\hfil\cr}}}
\def\overleftrightarrow{\mathpalette\overleftrightarrow@}
\def\overleftrightarrow@#1#2{\vbox{\ialign{$##$\cr
 #1{\leftarrow}\mkern-6mu\cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{-}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 \mkern-6mu{\to}\cr\noalign{\kern-.2326ex\nointerlineskip}\hfil#1#2\hfil\cr}}}
\def\underrightarrow{\mathpalette\underrightarrow@}
\def\underrightarrow@#1#2{\vtop{\ialign{$##$\cr
 \hfil#1#2\hfil\cr\noalign{\nointerlineskip}%
 #1{-}\mkern-6mu\cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{-}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 \mkern-6mu{\to}\cr}}}
\let\underarrow\underrightarrow
\def\underleftarrow{\mathpalette\underleftarrow@}
\def\underleftarrow@#1#2{\vtop{\ialign{$##$\cr
 \hfil#1#2\hfil\cr\noalign{\nointerlineskip}#1{\leftarrow}\mkern-6mu
 \cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{-}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 \mkern-6mu{-}\cr}}}
\def\underleftrightarrow{\mathpalette\underleftrightarrow@}
\def\underleftrightarrow@#1#2{\vtop{\ialign{$##$\cr
 \hfil#1#2\hfil\cr\noalign{\nointerlineskip}#1{\leftarrow}\mkern-6mu
 \cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{-}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 \mkern-6mu{\to}\cr}}}
\def\Overrightarrow{\mathpalette\Overrightarrow@}
\def\Overrightarrow@#1#2{\vbox{\ialign{$##$\cr
 #1{=}\mkern-6mu\cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{=}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 
\mkern-6mu{\Rightarrow}\cr\noalign{\kern-.2326ex\nointerlineskip}\hfil\strut@#1#2\hfil\cr}}}
\let\Overarrow\Overrightarrow
\def\Overleftarrow{\mathpalette\Overleftarrow@}
\def\Overleftarrow@#1#2{\vbox{\ialign{$##$\cr
 #1{\Leftarrow}\mkern-6mu\cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{=}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 \mkern-6mu{=}\cr\noalign{\kern-.2326ex\nointerlineskip}\hfil\strut@#1#2\hfil\cr}}}
\def\Overleftrightarrow{\mathpalette\Overleftrightarrow@}
\def\Overleftrightarrow@#1#2{\vbox{\ialign{$##$\cr
 #1{\Leftarrow}\mkern-6mu\cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{=}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 
\mkern-6mu{\Rightarrow}\cr\noalign{\kern-.2326ex\nointerlineskip}\hfil\strut@#1#2\hfil\cr}}}
\def\Underrightarrow{\mathpalette\Underrightarrow@}
\def\Underrightarrow@#1#2{\vtop{\ialign{$##$\cr
 \hfil\strut@#1#2\hfil\cr\noalign{\nointerlineskip}%
 #1{=}\mkern-6mu\cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{=}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 \mkern-6mu{\Rightarrow}\cr}}}
\let\Underarrow\Underrightarrow
\def\Underleftarrow{\mathpalette\Underleftarrow@}
\def\Underleftarrow@#1#2{\vtop{\ialign{$##$\cr
 \hfil\strut@#1#2\hfil\cr\noalign{\nointerlineskip}#1{\Leftarrow}\mkern-6mu
 \cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{=}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 \mkern-6mu{=}\cr}}}
\def\Underleftrightarrow{\mathpalette\Underleftrightarrow@}
\def\Underleftrightarrow@#1#2{\vtop{\ialign{$##$\cr
 \hfil\strut@#1#2\hfil\cr\noalign{\nointerlineskip}#1{\Leftarrow}\mkern-6mu
 \cleaders\hbox{$#1\mkern-2mu{=}\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
 \mkern-6mu{\Rightarrow}\cr}}}
\let\@@overline\overline
\def\Overline#1{\relax\ifmmode 
  \@@overline{\@@overline{#1}}\else $\@@overline{\@@overline{\hbox{#1}}}$\relax\fi}
\def\Underline#1{\relax\ifmmode 
  \@@underline{\@@underline{#1}}\else $\@@underline{\@@underline{\hbox{#1}}}$\relax\fi}
\def\Rightarrowfill{$\m@th\mathord=\mkern-6mu%
  \cleaders\hbox{$\mkern-2mu\mathord=\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
  \mkern-6mu\mathord\Rightarrow$}
\def\Leftarrowfill{$\m@th\mathord\Leftarrow\mkern-6mu%
  \cleaders\hbox{$\mkern-2mu\mathord=\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
  \mkern-6mu\mathord=$}
\def\leftrightarrowfill{$\m@th\mathord\leftarrow\mkern-6mu%
  \cleaders\hbox{$\mkern-2mu\mathord-\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
  \mkern-6mu\mathord\rightarrow$}
\def\Leftrightarrowfill{$\m@th\mathord\Leftarrow\mkern-6mu%
  \cleaders\hbox{$\mkern-2mu\mathord=\mkern-2mu$}\hfill
  \mkern-6mu\mathord\Rightarrow$}
\def\eqfill{$\m@th\mathord=\mkern-6mu%
  \cleaders\hbox{$\mkern-2mu\mathord=\mkern-2

PS images for PDF files

[Adolfo Pachón]

Hi all!!

I'm a .tex version of an LyX document, that include PostScript graphics.
How can I generate the images in the PDF output with pdflatex?


Thanks
-- 


Adolfo Pachón
(Director Desarrollos).

Re: Redefining figure and table header fonts and placement

[Herbert Voss]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I'm frequently using the "article" and "book" class to write technical
> documents, but I would like to change two things:
> 
> - redefine figure and table headers so that they still use the base font,
>   but in a slightly smaller size and in italic.

try package caption

> 
> - redefine the spacing between a table header and the table itself
>   (is at present much too close).

\addtolength\belowcaptionskip{1ex}

Herbert


-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Figure float request

[Stephan D. Picard]

Hello,

I have a rather peculiar request about figure float. To the extent of my
knowledge, I'm not sure if this is possible but let's see what the 'gurus'
say.

I'm working on my thesis in which there is plenty of measurements figure
to include. Each 'block' consist of two figure, one on top of the
other. My actual way of dealing with it is to use a figure float with
subfigure in it, make it the dimension of a page and have the standard
float placement specs as to have this on a seperate page.

Now, there is a LOT of these and to reduce space, I would like to have two
of these blocks on one page, rotated (90 degrees) and reduced (the reduce
part is not hard, just have to set the eps dimensions) and side by
side. Now, because each block has 2 subfigures, it makes it a bit tricky
(I can't seperate these two parts of each block). Now, if there's an odd
number of blocks, I would like the pairing left-out to be not-rotated and
placed in the document as a usual float.

What came to mind was to use the lscape package and have the figure
rotated with it but I don't think it's possible to put the 

\begin{landscape}
float1
float2
\end{landscape}

into a float thus makes it hard to control the flow of text on the page
before that page with 2 blocks (meaning that I might be left
with half a blank page before that 'landscaped' page.

Does my request make sense? Is it at all possible? See the "drawings" at
the bottom to understand better.

Stephan



In short, I would like to go from, say, three pages that look like this:

---
| *** |
| *fig 1* |
| *** |
| |
| *** |
| *fig 2* |
| *** |
| caption |
| |
---


to two page that would look like this

   
| *f* *f*c |   |  *** |
| *i* *i*a |   |  *2figs* |
| *g* *g*p |   |  *** |
|  |   |  caption |
|  |   |  |
| *f* *f*c |   | no-float |
| *i* *i*a |   |  text|
| *g* *g*p |   |  here|
|  |   |  |
   

Re: Controlling hyphenation

[Herbert Voss]

Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> The first few pages of my book hyphenated more than expected. In one case it
> hyphenated "experiences" after the x. Why bother -- the text would be much
> more readable without it, even if there were sizeable interword gaps.
> 
> Is there a way to tell LyX the minimum wordlength and minimum chars before
> and after the dash? Absent that, is there a way to turn off hyphenation
> altogether?

package hyphenat

Herbert

-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: Lyx: some questions and many thanks

[Herbert Voss]

Uwe Grossmann wrote:
> 
> More trouble I get with the spellchecker. I use ispell, i write my
> documents with ngerman. So I selected for ispell german in the
> configuration. ispell seems not to recognize german Umlaute. e.g. 'über'
> it want to replace with 'u"ber' and even if I tell it to save this word,
> the next 'über' it's the same play. The same seems to happen with the
> plural and the 'konjungierte Wörter'.

do you have in edit->preferences->Lang Opts->spellchecker
the " use input encoding" button activated?

Herbert

-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: .eps figures kill all further formfeeds

[Dekel Tsur]

> Has anyone else had this problem?
>
> My HP LaserJet 4050 seems to have a problem with my LyX created postscript
> files that have .eps images in them. Upon encountering its first .eps image,
> the printer forgets to formfeed for the rest of the file. As a result, than

This is a problem with your printer.
Does you printer supports level 2 postscript ?
(for example, run 'convert foo.gif eps2:foo.eps' on some image file, and
then try to print foo.eps)

> I haven't tried to print through gs instead of using the printer's postscript
> interpreter because I don't know how to do it through gs.

This will probably solve your problem.
Which spooler system you use?

Re: i want to use the \multline-Environment in lyx...

[Dekel Tsur]

> francesco cattaneo wrote:
> > i want to use the \multline-Environment in lyx but i'm not able to call it.
> > i have to load the amsmath package before? but how? and after? i would like
> > to run the example in
> >
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/mathstuff/equations/node16.html
> > i'm not able...
> > help me, please...
>
> layout->document->extra->use amsmath

To use multline, use need to type the formula using latex mode:
Type ctrl+l and then, for example,
\begin{multline*} 
a+b+c+d+e+f+g+h+i+j+k+l\\ 
m+n+o+p+q+r+s+t+u+v+w+x+y+z 
\end{multline*}

However, it is easier to use eqnarray:
1. Press Shift+ctrl+m
2. Press ctrl+enter. You should see 6 empty boxes on screen.
3. Goto the top left box. Type a+b+c+d+e+f+g+h+i+j+k+l
4. Type \hspace{1.5in (you might need to change the value here)
5. Goto the bottom left box, and type m+n+o+p+q+r+s+t+u+v+w+x+y+z

See the attached file.


#LyX 1.2 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 218
\textclass article
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\fontscheme default
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\spacing single 
\papersize Default
\paperpackage a4
\use_geometry 0
\use_amsmath 0
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\quotes_times 2
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default

\layout Standard


\begin_inset Formula \begin{eqnarray*}
a+b+c+d+e+f+g+h+i+j+k+l\hspace {1.5in} &  & \\
m+n+o+p+q+r+s+t+u+v+w+x+y+z &  & 
\end{eqnarray*}

\end_inset 


\the_end

Re: Cursor too fast

[Kayvan A. Sylvan]

On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 03:27:50PM -0400, Ronald Florence wrote:
> Mark van Rossum writes:
>   
>   When I try to select a large selection of text,
>   larger than fits in the window,
>   the mouse moves so fast selection becomes tricky.
>   
>   I wonder if this is a bug or if is due to some setting.
>   
> It's always been that way in LyX, at least on sparc-solaris
> platforms.  I've given up trying to use the mouse for anything more
> than a line or two, and resort to Ctrl-m to mark the beginning of a
> selection, then various cursor-control keys to mark the end.
> 
> It would be nice if selection with the mouse were usable.

How about just shift and cursor-control? Even shift-pageup or
shift-pagedown works.

-- 
Kayvan A. Sylvan  | Proud husband of   | Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.   | Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://sylvan.com/~kayvan | "crown of her husband" | Robin Gregory (2/28/92)

Re: how can i justify eqnarray?

[Herbert Voss]

francesco cattaneo wrote:
> 
> how can i justify each region created after i've pressed ctrl-enter?
> for example:
> l c l
> l c l
> l c l
> thanks, and ciao to all!

use mathpanel and insert a matrix if you want special alignment.
ctrl-enter gives always r c l justification.

Herbert


-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: Binding font-code as a toggle

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 07:38:53PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi everyone,  
>   
> The font-code LyX function is a toggle. I added it to the menu and the
> toolbar in ~/ui/default.ui, which is a clone of
/usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui: 
>   
> In the toolbar:   
> Icon "font-code"  
>   
> In the layout menu:   
> Item "Code Style|S" "font-code"   
>   
> It works perfectly in both places except for one thing -- LyX doesn't 
> recognize it as a toggle. The button (which is a question mark) doesn't
stay  
> pushed in, and the menu item doesn't have a pushbutton to its left. What  
> makes this strange is that these items are an almost exact direct copy
of the 
> emphasis style. How does LyX decides one's a toggle and not the other.
> There's no clue in cua.bind or menus.bind.

The difference is in the lyx source code (in lyxfunc.C),
namely you need to edit the source in order to enable toggling of the
button.

Re: PDF forms with LaTeX

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 11:34:05PM +0200, Adolfo Pach&fpe;n wrote:
> Hi all!!  
>   
> I know this is for LyX, but if you could help me ...  
>   
> I'm trying to create an PDF form from LaTeX.  
>   
> The compiler process say to me this:  
>   
> ...   
> Sorry, HyperTeX does not support FORMs
> Sorry, HyperTeX does not support FORM text fields 
> ...   
>   
> ¿Any idea?

Use pdflatex (and add the pdftex option to hyperref).

Re: References to chapters???

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 12:43:37PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> I'd like to refer to chapters like this:  
>   
> This is discussed further in chapter 12, Creating the Web Page, on page 145.  
>   
> The only way I could find to do this involved inserting a label, and there
> was no way to get the chapter name. You'd think this would be possible due to 
> the fact that this was a chapter. What am I missing?  

It is not possible with normal latex.
However you can do this using either the nameref package or the titleref
package.

Re: What about numbering in the figures/tables?

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 06:26:53PM +0200, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote:
> >>I've an Lyx document whith images and tables, into a floats. The DVI
> >>output puts "figure 1.", but the latex2html output writes "Figure". 
> >>
> >>Why?
> >>It's a problem of my .latex2html-init configuration?
>   
> If no .aux file exists, I think that no numbering is set  
> even if you asked for it in the init file or on the command line. 
> In the same line, section numbering does not work in lines
> with diacritics (but this one may be solved in recent versions).  

Lyx 1.1.6 should automatically run latex in order to create an aux file.

PS: A general note for people who want to do html export, is to try
several latex->html converters (latex2html, tth) and pick the one that
works best for them.

e: How to get bullets (and other things) into the newlfm letter layout

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 04:22:52PM +0100, Pete Phillips wrote:
> As mentioned to this list before, I have created a layout and template
> file for the newlfm latex package. I find the newlfm package superb   
> for creating your own bespoke letter layout with logo, address
> information etc already canned in the letrinfo.tex configfuration 
> file. 
>   
> However, I would like to be able to insert bullet lists etc into the  
> letter. What do I need to add to the layout file for this to work ?   

Add the following line to the layout file:

Input stdlists.inc

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 02:39:57PM +0200, Adolfo Pachףn wrote:

[Dekel Tsur]

> Hi all!!  
>   
> I have used the url & html packages in the LaTeX Preamble in Lyx. I   
> write in the Lyx text something like this "see the homepage in
> \url{http://www.homepage.com} ..." and it works ok in DVI output, but in  
> the PDFlatex output from Lyx->Export->PDF(pdflatex) it writes this "see   
> the home page in http://www.homepage.comhttp://www.homepage.com ...". 
>   
> How can I resolv this error?  

I can't see this problem here. Please send an example file.
(perhaps the problem is the html package.)

Re: Check out my Warning environment

[Dekel Tsur]

> Put braces around the label:
> > >{\centering WARNING\\[0.5cm]}

Also, before the \hrulefill you need to put \par and not \\

Re: Importing images in latex (jpg, wmf, ...)

[Dekel Tsur]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 05:44:03PM +, Marco Allione wrote:
> I have a problem! I am a new latex utilizer and I've found some problems in   
> inserting figures in my latex document.   
> How can I made to imsert a wmf image in my document?  
> Can I have some help in such a problem please? Does anybody can tell me   
> where I could find some complete guide on the use of graphic files of 
> extension .wmf, .bmp or .jpg in the Net?  
> Tank you for your help. Hello.
> Marco.

For bitmap image (bmp, png, gif etc) use
  convert file.gif eps2:file.eps

For wmf, use
  wmftoeps file.wmf file.eps

The wmftoeps program is from libwmf (http://www.wvware.com)

Cursor too fast

[Ronald Florence]

Mark van Rossum writes:
  
  When I try to select a large selection of text,
  larger than fits in the window,
  the mouse moves so fast selection becomes tricky.
  
  I wonder if this is a bug or if is due to some setting.
  
It's always been that way in LyX, at least on sparc-solaris
platforms.  I've given up trying to use the mouse for anything more
than a line or two, and resort to Ctrl-m to mark the beginning of a
selection, then various cursor-control keys to mark the end.

It would be nice if selection with the mouse were usable.

-- 

Ronald Florence http://members.home.net/18james

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Re: fancy style: switch off header but not footer on first page

[Herbert Voss]

Peer Frank wrote:
> 
> Hi Lyxers:
> 
> On the first page of a letter using fancyhdr I'd like to switch off
> the header but not the footer. Both have to appear on page 2ff.
> \thispagestyle{plain} switches off both. Any hint ?

in preamble:
\fancyhead{}

in first page in tex (red):
\afterpage{\fancyhead{ your header }}

Herbert

-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Re: i want to use the \multline-Environment in lyx...

[Herbert Voss]

francesco cattaneo wrote:
> 
> i want to use the \multline-Environment in lyx but i'm not able to call it.
> i have to load the amsmath package before? but how? and after? i would like
> to run the example in
> http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/mathstuff/equations/node16.html but
> i'm not able...
> help me, please...

layout->document->extra->use amsmath

Herbert

-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Cursor too fast

[Mark van Rossum]

Hi,

When I try to select a large selection of text,
larger than fits in the window,
the mouse moves so fast selection becomes tricky.

I wonder if this is a bug or if is due to some setting.

I like the way they did it in Nedit:
- if you cursor moves out of the editing window  onto edge of the
application (this would be the status bar in Lyx), selection is slow
- if move the mouse outside the application alltogether, selection is
fast.

-- 
Mark
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
swallow.bio.brandeis.edu/~vrossum

Re: Re: Check out my Warning environment

[Guenter Milde]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:19:12 -0400 wrote Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Thursday 30 August 2001 03:58, you wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:20:29 -0400 wrote Steve Litt 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > In the final product it has a line above the word WARNING and below the
> > > last word of the warning text. I couldn't figure out how to do the lines
> > > in LyX but that's not a big issue anyway.
> > >
> > > The only bad part is it's ragged right in the finished product -- but
> > > that's not that terrible either.
> >
> > Just leave out the  \flushleft in your definition.
> 
> Trouble with leaving out \flushleft is the entire warning becomes centered 
> like the label. What I really need is the equivalent of \noraggedright.

Put braces around the label:
   ...
> > \newenvironment{warning_l}
> > {
> >\begin{quote}
> >\hrulefill\\
> >{\centering WARNING\\[0.5cm]}
> > }
 ...
> 
> The only reason I didn't use a quote environment is I was unable to adjust 
> the margins with any style but list. Sounds strange, but my 
> \setlength{\leftmargin}{\scratchLength} and 
> \setlength{\rightmargin}{\leftmargin} wouldn't work in anything but list. I 
> just tried it on your code using the quote environment, and once again I 
> couldn't control the margins with \setlength{\leftmargin} et. al.


Internally, also quote is defined via list (just to be able to set the
indentation. I'm pretty sure it could be controlled by some special
command/lenth (something like \setlentgh{\quiteindent}{3cm}) but I don't
know the proper name for it nor find it in my literature.


Guenter

--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: LyX

[Remzi Seker]

Thanks for the nice discussion, and the point of view.

I have always had the following point (English point of view though:)

I like "lyks" (sounds nice and "man on the street" may ask: What's Lyks??)
I like "lyke" (I like like... --umm did I stutter..? "Man on the street"
won't get much of what I say, eh?)

R

- Original Message -
From: "Guenter Milde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Re: LyX


> Well, I although the stuff is pretty much offtopic, as the discussion did
> not stop, so here I am again.
>
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2001  wrote John O'Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Allen Rae wrote
> >
> > > Have you never heard of people inventing new words?
> > > Small businesses do it all the time.  Name like "Kwik Kopy".  Neither
is a
> > > real word.  Neither would submit to your analysis.  So why can't we
> > > engineers and computer scientists also invent new words like LyX?
> >
> > Kwik and Kopy are not new words. They are orthograhic variants of
> > existing
> > words Quick and Copy. Quick is Gernanic and Copy Latin. Neither is an
> > instance of our difficulty in determining the provenance of the letter X
> > in LaTeX and LyX.
> >
> > We engineers and computer scientist, as educated people, would not flout
> > established linguistic conventions to invent meaningless or stupid
> > neologisms. Words have a form which conveys their cultural and historic
> > ambience (unless advertising men or barbarians are involved in the
> > process).
> > Typically, learned neologisms are well-founded on root lexemes of
> > European
> > languages (mostly Latin or Greek).
>
> Although TEX = tech on itself is not a lexem but an acronym of the root
> techni-. (like in the Russian GOSAGROTEXEXPORT - a neologism made up in
the
> same "non-linguistic" way as KOLXOS for collective enterprise).
>
> Even further, does there exist any greek word that has a chi at the end?
> (Latex (=rubber) is neither greek, nor is the x a chi)
> (What does Mr. Russell say?)
>
>
> On the other hand, also among computer scientists the invention of
orthographic
> variants is common use. Besides the famous unics -> unix (which probabely
> started it all) there is the family of k-something from the KDE
(Konqueror,
> Krabber, Kleandisk,...). All preserve the pronounciation, as does
lyrics ->
> lyrix (if the x is an ex and not a chi).
>
>
> > So I stick to my contention that LyX is pronounced as the lych in
> > polychromatic.
>
> This example is a bit problematic, as one would have to chop phonems out
of
> their embedding into syllabels. Poly-chromatic (multi-colored) is actually
a
> compound i.e. the ch is not at the end but at the beginning of a word
which
> makes a difference. (even Germans would say [polikromatisch] but the
German
> or Scotish Loch = [loch] (or [lokh], just to make clear it is not [lok]))
>
> > I am not arguing against the right of the word LyX to exist. I am merely
> > explaining
> > why it is obvious that it is consistent with its historic and cultural
> > commections
> > with LaTeX (pronounced Lah-teck) and honours the same convention of
> > using X to
> > transliterate the Greek letter CHI.
>
> And I still argue, that it is not as obvious, as there is not one single
> connection to (La)TeX, but an embedding in a semantic field of TeX, Unix,
> Linux and X-Windows.
>
> > > Russell (Allan's secret weapon):
> > > With made up words English conventions can be flouted because
the
> > > structures no longer represent the written equivalent of the
> > > spoken language but rather code words for new constructs.
> > > The pronunciation however still has to obey the conventions.
> > > Words in -X must be pronounced -ks.
> >
> > Where did your linguist get the above rule
>
> Well, at least Mr. Russel did not know that Mr. Knuth invented his own
rule
> by stating that TeX should be pronounced as tau epsilon chi - which is
> fair for a selfconstructed word but took years for the average people to
> understand. (And it is not really conventional: if it were not for my
beloved
>  TeX and its author, I'd say it's a spleen.)
>
> >
> > TeX is pronounced tek (probably   [better: accurately GM]  with a bit of
gargle and aspiration)
> > but definitely
> > not tex as in Texas.  Knuth spelt the X in uppercase and said that it
> > was tau, epsilon, chi.
>
> Actually, he spelt it all uppercase TEX, the minor e is just ASCII-art for
the
> halfway down capital Epsilon. Therefore, there is an ambiguity, as all
> letters happen to be in both latin and greek alphabets. This ambiguity is
> solved by D. Knuths statement that it is to be read as Tau Epsilon Chi.
>
> The use of Greek words in Latin text is common among e.g. theological
texts
> as is the use of Greec letters in mathematics. There is however a
> convention, not to mix the alphabets in one word - or if so (in
compounds),
> to use a hyphen.
> (Ok, compounds like LaTeX or BibTeX dont use a hyphe

Re: Re: What style is best for newly introduced words and terms?

[Steve Litt]

On Friday 31 August 2001 10:35, Guenter Milde wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:15:15 -0400 wrote Steve Litt 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Thursday 30 August 2001 17:38, Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
> > > Steve Litt wrote:
> > > > When writing prose (as opposed to a table of terms and definitions),
> > > > the new word is typically in italics. Does LyX have a style just for
> > > > that situation?
> > >
> > > I use the built-in (and curiously named) "noun" style.  It probably
> > > shows up on your toolbar as a button with an exclamation point on it. 
> > > Just use the mouse to highlight the word or phrase you want to
> > > italicize, and click that button.
> > >
> > > You can do it in the middle of a paragraph without changing the
> > > paragraph style.  (Or anywhere else, for that matter. I sometimes use
> > > it in section headings.)
> >
> > That's it! Noun style is a picture of a little man on the buttonbar, and
> > shows up as small caps. It's perfect for newly introduced terms.
>
> However, "noun" would produce small capitals (at least here), the
> emphasizing with italics is done via \emph{new word} (which by default is
> similar to \textit{new word}but within italic text uses roman. Using
> \emph{} instead of \textit{} has also the advantage, that you can redefine
> it in a single preamble-declaration to change the style for all your new
> definitions. In LyX, just mark the text and press the [!] button nex to the
> little man.

Thanks Guenter,

For this usage, the Noun style is perfect, because it's being used to 
define nouns (or at least terms). The fact that it prints smallcaps instead 
of italics doesn't matter too much, and if it did I could redefine noun style.

It's wonderful to be able to use LyX with styles and not worry about the 
output. Much better than using MS Word and always be fine tuning output.

Now if I can just get my little eps image/printer problem solved... :-)

Thanks

Steve

Re: Re: What style is best for newly introduced words and terms?

[Guenter Milde]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:15:15 -0400 wrote Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> On Thursday 30 August 2001 17:38, Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
> > Steve Litt wrote:
> > > When writing prose (as opposed to a table of terms and definitions), the
> > > new word is typically in italics. Does LyX have a style just for that
> > > situation?
> > >
> >
> > I use the built-in (and curiously named) "noun" style.  It probably shows
> > up on your toolbar as a button with an exclamation point on it.  Just use
> > the mouse to highlight the word or phrase you want to italicize, and click
> > that button.
> >
> > You can do it in the middle of a paragraph without changing the paragraph
> > style.  (Or anywhere else, for that matter. I sometimes use it in section
> > headings.)
> 
> That's it! Noun style is a picture of a little man on the buttonbar, and 
> shows up as small caps. It's perfect for newly introduced terms. 

However, "noun" would produce small capitals (at least here), the emphasizing
with italics is done via \emph{new word} (which by default is similar to
\textit{new word}but within italic text uses roman. Using \emph{} instead of
\textit{} has also the advantage, that you can redefine it in a single
preamble-declaration to change the style for all your new definitions. In
LyX, just mark the text and press the [!] button nex to the little man.

> 
> There's also a button for toggling "user defined style", which is a button 
> with the string "Font" on it, which could be used for any other needed 
> character style once I make a style to match it.
 
Well, this one uses the last done font change via >Layout>Character.
Therefore it does no generic markup and is not suited for your task.
(Although it is a great help for visual markup)

guenter

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: LyX

[Guenter Milde]

Well, I although the stuff is pretty much offtopic, as the discussion did
not stop, so here I am again.

On Sat, 01 Sep 2001  wrote John O'Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Allen Rae wrote
> 
> > Have you never heard of people inventing new words?
> > Small businesses do it all the time.  Name like "Kwik Kopy".  Neither is a
> > real word.  Neither would submit to your analysis.  So why can't we
> > engineers and computer scientists also invent new words like LyX?
> 
> Kwik and Kopy are not new words. They are orthograhic variants of
> existing
> words Quick and Copy. Quick is Gernanic and Copy Latin. Neither is an 
> instance of our difficulty in determining the provenance of the letter X
> in LaTeX and LyX.
> 
> We engineers and computer scientist, as educated people, would not flout
> established linguistic conventions to invent meaningless or stupid 
> neologisms. Words have a form which conveys their cultural and historic
> ambience (unless advertising men or barbarians are involved in the
> process).
> Typically, learned neologisms are well-founded on root lexemes of
> European 
> languages (mostly Latin or Greek).

Although TEX = tech on itself is not a lexem but an acronym of the root
techni-. (like in the Russian GOSAGROTEXEXPORT - a neologism made up in the
same "non-linguistic" way as KOLXOS for collective enterprise).
 
Even further, does there exist any greek word that has a chi at the end?
(Latex (=rubber) is neither greek, nor is the x a chi)
(What does Mr. Russell say?)


On the other hand, also among computer scientists the invention of orthographic
variants is common use. Besides the famous unics -> unix (which probabely
started it all) there is the family of k-something from the KDE (Konqueror,
Krabber, Kleandisk,...). All preserve the pronounciation, as does lyrics ->
lyrix (if the x is an ex and not a chi).


> So I stick to my contention that LyX is pronounced as the lych in
> polychromatic.

This example is a bit problematic, as one would have to chop phonems out of
their embedding into syllabels. Poly-chromatic (multi-colored) is actually a
compound i.e. the ch is not at the end but at the beginning of a word which
makes a difference. (even Germans would say [polikromatisch] but the German
or Scotish Loch = [loch] (or [lokh], just to make clear it is not [lok]))

> I am not arguing against the right of the word LyX to exist. I am merely
> explaining
> why it is obvious that it is consistent with its historic and cultural
> commections
> with LaTeX (pronounced Lah-teck) and honours the same convention of
> using X to 
> transliterate the Greek letter CHI.

And I still argue, that it is not as obvious, as there is not one single
connection to (La)TeX, but an embedding in a semantic field of TeX, Unix,
Linux and X-Windows.

> > Russell (Allan's secret weapon):
> > With made up words English conventions can be flouted because the
> > structures no longer represent the written equivalent of the
> > spoken language but rather code words for new constructs.
> > The pronunciation however still has to obey the conventions.
> > Words in -X must be pronounced -ks.
> 
> Where did your linguist get the above rule 

Well, at least Mr. Russel did not know that Mr. Knuth invented his own rule
by stating that TeX should be pronounced as tau epsilon chi - which is
fair for a selfconstructed word but took years for the average people to
understand. (And it is not really conventional: if it were not for my beloved
 TeX and its author, I'd say it's a spleen.)

> 
> TeX is pronounced tek (probably   [better: accurately GM]  with a bit of gargle and 
>aspiration) 
> but definitely
> not tex as in Texas.  Knuth spelt the X in uppercase and said that it
> was tau, epsilon, chi. 

Actually, he spelt it all uppercase TEX, the minor e is just ASCII-art for the
halfway down capital Epsilon. Therefore, there is an ambiguity, as all
letters happen to be in both latin and greek alphabets. This ambiguity is
solved by D. Knuths statement that it is to be read as Tau Epsilon Chi. 

The use of Greek words in Latin text is common among e.g. theological texts
as is the use of Greec letters in mathematics. There is however a
convention, not to mix the alphabets in one word - or if so (in compounds),
to use a hyphen. 
(Ok, compounds like LaTeX or BibTeX dont use a hyphen, still they quote the
entire TeX - so they are compounds also rather than simple words.)

For LyX, we have a different situation:, the L is clearly not greek,
the y, (although of greek origin) is part of the latin alphabet and the X is
open to dispute: if meant as chi, this would imply the mix of alphabets in
just one syllable, if meant as ex (= greek xi) it should be pronounced [ks].

We miss a statement from the original author. (Althought I believe to
remember a statement telling that LyX is pronounced "normal", not Lych as
Tech.) However, the mailing of the actual maintainer LGB clearly says
lyx=lycks (and the Ame

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Hello lyx-users,

If I've got Unicode-compliant fonts and a TeX version that can do
(limited) UTF-8, is it much of a hack to use UTF-8 as encoding in LyX?
(i.e. what pains will I have to undergo to get combining accents and
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Re: displaying figures

[Mark Esplin]

That sounds like the same problem that I was having.  Paul Borgermans sent 
me the following and it worked for me.

"For a quick work-around : do a xhost +,  since I have no
time to dig further now."

   -Mark Esplin

> Hi!
>
> Sorry, I know this has been asked before, but I can't find it in the
> archives.
>
> I'm using 1.1.6fix3 on Debian/unstable and the problem is, that figures
> don't show with lyx. The dvis are ok. Under the figure theres just the
> text "[rendering...]". Lyx starts a gs process (from ps ax):
>
> gs -sDEVICE=x11 -dNOPAUSE -dQUIET -dSAFER -r36x36.0859 -g307x210
> /tmp/lyx_tmpdir26
>
> - but it doesn't do anything. /tmp is there and has lots of space.

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[Steve Litt]

Hi all

Has anyone else had this problem?

My HP LaserJet 4050 seems to have a problem with my LyX created postscript 
files that have .eps images in them. Upon encountering its first .eps image, 
the printer forgets to formfeed for the rest of the file. As a result, than 
final page is overprinted with every page following the graphic, starting 
with the page of the graphic.

This happens whether the .eps is "encapsulated" or not, and whether it's 
"level 2 postscript" or not. It happens printing directly from LyX, and from 
Postscript files created by LyX.

I haven't tried to print through gs instead of using the printer's postscript 
interpreter because I don't know how to do it through gs.

Thanks

Steve

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Re: LyX

[John O'Gorman]

Allan Rae wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, John O'Gorman wrote:
> 
> 

> > eXceed is not an example of X at the end of the word.
> 
> It's also not at the start.  It's in the middle!
> 
> > The x in Applix is the x of Unix not the X of X Window.
> 
> So some other applications can use the X from X-Windows at the beginning
> or the middle 

I think the X in eXceed is at the beginning rather than the middle (Can
you have 
a middle of a 2 syllable word?).

> but not at the end like LyX?  But they can use the x from
> the end of Unix at the end?  Seems a bit restricted.

Why? Lots of Unix derivates and associated software have a final x:
Uniplex, Xenix, HPUX, Ultrix, Linux, Applix and obviously the x is
there to suggest the connection with Unix (and not X window). In all
such instances the x is lowercase.

> Russell (Allan's secret weapon):
> With made up words English conventions can be flouted because the
> structures no longer represent the written equivalent of the
> spoken language but rather code words for new constructs.
> The pronunciation however still has to obey the conventions.
> Words in -X must be pronounced -ks.

Where did your linguist get the above rule (not from Chonsky or Pink, I
imagine).
The secret weapon is a blunt sword.

TeX is pronounced tek (probably with a bit of gargle and aspiration) but
definitely
not tex as in Texas.  Knuth spelt the X in uppercase and said that it
was tau, epsilon,
chi. So the X is just like the XP you see in Catholic churches. Were it
to pronounced x
it would be Tex not TeX. He chose this rendering (rather than ch ) so
that it LOOKED LIKE
the Greek letter CHI using a Latin alphabet.

The pronunciation of a letter or combination like ch depends on the
word's history
Witness the pronunciation of chant, loch, character, chianti, fiche,
technique, school,
schedule, ...

Even Don Quixote attracts various renderings of the x. There are
probably no
examples of a letter that is always uniformly pronounced in English.

Basically it is not worth persuing this debate much further. The nub of
the dispute
is, I believe:
  Either  The X in LyX indicates LyX's association with LaTeX where the
X is a pretend CHI
  or   The X in LyX is the only known instance of a final X suggesting a
connection with  X-Window.

Which is more plausible?

John O'Gorman

displaying figures

[Markus Mohr]

Hi!

Sorry, I know this has been asked before, but I can't find it in the
archives.

I'm using 1.1.6fix3 on Debian/unstable and the problem is, that figures
don't show with lyx. The dvis are ok. Under the figure theres just the
text "[rendering...]". Lyx starts a gs process (from ps ax):

gs -sDEVICE=x11 -dNOPAUSE -dQUIET -dSAFER -r36x36.0859 -g307x210
/tmp/lyx_tmpdir26

- but it doesn't do anything. /tmp is there and has lots of space.

thanks,
marksu

Re: 2 versions of LyX at the same time

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

>>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:01:15 +0300 (EEST)
>>From: Tuukka Toivonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: Gerhard Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: 2 versions of LyX at the same time
>>
>>On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Gerhard Schuck wrote:
>>
>>> Is it possible to install two versions of LyX at the same time without any 
>>
>>Everything is possible, it's just matter of work.
>>
>>You could install two LyXes easily from source into different directories
>>using the --prefix= with two different paths. However, LyX also writes
>>some configuration files into your home directory. This is almost
>>certainly taken from the HOME environment variable, so you could do
>>something like this:
>>
>>cd normal-lyx
>>./configure --prefix=/usr/normal-lyx
>>make
>>make install
>>
>>cd cjk-lyx
>>./configure --prefix=/usr/cjk-lyx
>>make
>>make install
>>
>>cat >/usr/bin/normal-lyx
>>#!/bin/sh
>>HOME=$HOME/normal-lyx
>>exec /usr/normal-lyx/bin/lyx
>>^D
>>
>>cat >/usr/bin/cjk-lyx
>>#!/bin/sh
>>HOME=$HOME/cjk-lyx
>>exec /usr/cjk-lyx/bin/lyx
>>^D
>>
>>chmod +x /usr/bin/normal-lyx /usr/bin/cjk-lyx
>>
>>And then create subdirectories normal-lyx and cjk-lyx into your real home
>>directory. This solution might not work out-of-the-box but it should give
>>you some idea how to do it.
>>
./configure --with-version-suffix=-cjk
./configure --with-version-suffix=-normal
does it in one step, produces lyx-cjk and lyx-normal in the standard bin
and share location, and dotted personal dirs as well.

-- 
Jean-Pierre

Re: 2 versions of LyX at the same time

[Tuukka Toivonen]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Gerhard Schuck wrote:

> Is it possible to install two versions of LyX at the same time without any 

Everything is possible, it's just matter of work.

You could install two LyXes easily from source into different directories
using the --prefix= with two different paths. However, LyX also writes
some configuration files into your home directory. This is almost
certainly taken from the HOME environment variable, so you could do
something like this:

cd normal-lyx
./configure --prefix=/usr/normal-lyx
make
make install

cd cjk-lyx
./configure --prefix=/usr/cjk-lyx
make
make install

cat >/usr/bin/normal-lyx
#!/bin/sh
HOME=$HOME/normal-lyx
exec /usr/normal-lyx/bin/lyx
^D

cat >/usr/bin/cjk-lyx
#!/bin/sh
HOME=$HOME/cjk-lyx
exec /usr/cjk-lyx/bin/lyx
^D

chmod +x /usr/bin/normal-lyx /usr/bin/cjk-lyx

And then create subdirectories normal-lyx and cjk-lyx into your real home
directory. This solution might not work out-of-the-box but it should give
you some idea how to do it.

Re: LyX

[DUVAL Laurent]

I have asked
my brother who is a linguist,
medieval latin sometimes uses  the letter "y"
instead of "i".
So it may not be latin, but why not medieval latin?

This information surely needs cross-checks.

Re: LyX

[Allan Rae]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, John O'Gorman wrote:

> Allan Rae wrote:
> >
> >
>
> > What about products like eXceed or other apps like Applix (different
> > situation admittedly)?
>
> eXceed is not an example of X at the end of the word.

It's also not at the start.  It's in the middle!

> The x in Applix is the x of Unix not the X of X Window.

So some other applications can use the X from X-Windows at the beginning
or the middle but not at the end like LyX?  But they can use the x from
the end of Unix at the end?  Seems a bit restricted.

> > Have you never heard of people inventing new words?
> > Small businesses do it all the time.  Name like "Kwik Kopy".  Neither is a
> > real word.  Neither would submit to your analysis.  So why can't we
> > engineers and computer scientists also invent new words like LyX?
>
> Kwik and Kopy are not new words. They are orthograhic variants of
> existing words Quick and Copy. Quick is Gernanic and Copy Latin.
> Neither is an instance of our difficulty in determining the provenance
> of the letter X in LaTeX and LyX.

Russell the linguist:
Orthographical variants are not the sole property of advertisers.
Many words have undergone a change of spelling for example Queen was
originally spelled Cw-, compare Norwegian Kune or again scent was
originally sent; the spelling changed with evolving taste.  There is
nothing new about it.

> We engineers and computer scientist, as educated people, would not
> flout established linguistic conventions to invent meaningless or
> stupid neologisms. Words have a form which conveys their cultural and
> historic ambience (unless advertising men or barbarians are involved
> in the process).
> Typically, learned neologisms are well-founded on root lexemes of
> European languages (mostly Latin or Greek).

Russell (Allan's secret weapon):
With made up words English conventions can be flouted because the
structures no longer represent the written equivalent of the
spoken language but rather code words for new constructs.
The pronunciation however still has to obey the conventions.
Words in -X must be pronounced -ks.

> So I stick to my contention that LyX is pronounced as the lych in
> polychromatic. I am not arguing against the right of the word LyX to
> exist. I am merely explaining why it is obvious that it is consistent
> with its historic and cultural commections with LaTeX (pronounced
> Lah-teck) and honours the same convention of using X to transliterate
> the Greek letter CHI.

HA! (Allan gloating)

Allan. (ARRae)

Re: Matrices (math environment)

[Tuukka Toivonen]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, William Burrow wrote:

> I wonder if anybody has experience with creating matrices in Lyx or Latex.

1. Start Lyx.
2. Select File/New to create a fresh document.
3. Press Alt-m d. This puts you into math mode, inside a purple or blue
   box.
4. Press Alt-m [ to create brackets. Altenatively you can select
   Edit/Math Panel and select brackets from there.
5. Open now math panel (Edit/Math Panel) if you didn't yet do so.
6. Press the button in the math panel with the matrix picture in it. It
   has 9 small blue squares. That opens a new dialog window.
7. Select the desired number of rows and columns in the dialog.
8. Press Ok.
9. Now you have the matrix. Then you just need to fill it with whatever
   you like.

Re: Importing images in latex (jpg, wmf, ...)

[Tuukka Toivonen]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Marco Allione wrote:

> How can I made to imsert a wmf image in my document?

You have to convert it to EPS.

Since WMF is a vector format, there's no sense to convert
it into bitmap (like PNG) and then to EPS. Instead the
right way is to create on EPS file directly from it.

Use some vector drawing program that can import WMF and export EPS.

Re: LyX

[Allan Rae]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Allan Rae wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, John O'Gorman wrote:
>
> >  Not so
> >
> > The letter y is not Latin at all. It was introduced into the Latin
> > language (along with z) to render Greek words.
> >
> > Lyric is a Greek word, not Latin.
>
> I'll consult with my local linguistic guru about other possibilities but I
> think you're right about the origin of y.  You haven't said how to
> pronounce it though.

According to Russell the friendly linguist:
In English pronunciation "y" follows the same rules as "i."
Followed by two consonants it is short: x resolves into two
consonants (ks).  Therefore, the y in LyX must be short.
The analogy is pyx -- this is a cup in a church.

Russell also says:
The "y" in LyX proves that it is not Latin but it doesn't prove it
is Greek.


> > If, as you say, the upercase X of LyX is to echo the X of LaTeX, does
> > that not strengthen my case?
>
> It would if it weren't for the fact that the X was meant to reflect the X
> in X-Windows.  At least that is what I was told when I first joined the
> team about 5 years ago.
>
> > The argument is not really whether LyX is Latin or Greek - the y make
> > it Greek. The nub of the matter is whether the x is a Xi or a Chi. The
> > uppercase X is the clincher that indicates Chi.
>
> So is the X in X-Windows an X, a Xi, a Chi or the mark of a very drunk
> Zorro?

Further thoughts from the grand-master linguist Russell:
X never represents the Greek letter chi; this very word shows that
the Greek X is represented in English by "ch." If this X
represents a Greek letter it must be Xi.  Unfortunately, there is
no word "lyx" in Greek.

After showing Russell "The TeXbook" by Donald Knuth which explains
Donald's thoughts on the derivation of "TeX" he had the following to say:
[what he meant to say: "What a load of bollocks!"]
The final X does not represent simple chi but rather "ch"
pronounced hard (ie. like "k") plus "s" perhaps to indicate a
wider field by the plural.  Or alternatively to resemble words
like physics.
Even in ancient Greek "chi" ceased to be pronounced like the
Spanish "j" and become homophonous with "k".  This is the
situation with modern Greek and greek words in western European
languages.  That is why we say karacter and not character.


Allan. (ARRae)and Russell a.k.a. #:|

Re: LyX

[John O'Gorman]

Allan Rae wrote:
> 
> 

> What about products like eXceed or other apps like Applix (different
> situation admittedly)?

eXceed is not an example of X at the end of the word.
The x in Applix is the x of Unix not the X of X Window.
 
> Have you never heard of people inventing new words?
> Small businesses do it all the time.  Name like "Kwik Kopy".  Neither is a
> real word.  Neither would submit to your analysis.  So why can't we
> engineers and computer scientists also invent new words like LyX?

Kwik and Kopy are not new words. They are orthograhic variants of
existing
words Quick and Copy. Quick is Gernanic and Copy Latin. Neither is an 
instance of our difficulty in determining the provenance of the letter X
in LaTeX and LyX.

We engineers and computer scientist, as educated people, would not flout
established linguistic conventions to invent meaningless or stupid 
neologisms. Words have a form which conveys their cultural and historic
ambience (unless advertising men or barbarians are involved in the
process).
Typically, learned neologisms are well-founded on root lexemes of
European 
languages (mostly Latin or Greek).

So I stick to my contention that LyX is pronounced as the lych in
polychromatic.
I am not arguing against the right of the word LyX to exist. I am merely
explaining
why it is obvious that it is consistent with its historic and cultural
commections
with LaTeX (pronounced Lah-teck) and honours the same convention of
using X to 
transliterate the Greek letter CHI.

John O'Gorman

Re: Changes in LyX

[Juergen Vigna]

On 31-Aug-2001 Andre Poenitz wrote:

>> this thread is getting so offtopic it's like a lyx-devel thread ;)
>
> Don't the Friday Rules apply to anything related to LyX?

Nope only LyX-Devel!

Jürgen

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Re: Changes in LyX

[Andre Poenitz]

On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 03:06:52AM +0100, John Levon wrote:

   ^^^

> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 10:59:33AM +1000, Kathryn Andersen wrote:

 ^^^

> > I agree -- if I install something, I want to be able to use a packaging
> > system (in my case, RPM not DEB); not because I can't compile things (me
> 
> this thread is getting so offtopic it's like a lyx-devel thread ;)

  ^^

Don't the Friday Rules apply to anything related to LyX?

Andre'

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