Re: html5 presentation support?

[Rainer M Krug]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Rainer,


Hi Alex,



 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote:
  I just saw some html5 presentations (e.g. http://slides.html5rocks.com )
 and
  they seem to a be a great alternative to pdf presentations with beamer et
  al. Is there anybody looking into the possibility of creating those via
 e.g.
  eLyXer?

 It sounds interesting, but I am not looking into it at the moment.
 However (and here comes the inevitable contribution request), I accept
 patches :)  If you try it you will find eLyXer very flexible in terms
 of twisting its output.


Unfortunately I don't have time at hand and do not know the inner workings
of html5 - I ust saw the org-mode exporter and thought - would be nice for
LyX.



  I think it would be absolutely great if this could be included in LyX.
 For
  an example of export exporter for emacs org-mode,
  see  https://gist.github.com/509761

 I agree.


Let's hope that somebody finds some time for this. Do you have a bug / issue
tracker for eLyXer to put the feature request in?

Cheers,

Rainer


 Thanks,

 Alex.




-- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology,
UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
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Re: Noun (smallcaps) in Section title

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-28, Manolo Martínez wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 A quick question. If I use the Noun character style in a Section title, 
 article(paper) ignores me and renders it in lowercase. Is there a way to 
 override the style in this particular respect?

This depends on the font choice. Some font families are missing a bold
small caps variant. The LaTeX log will show you a font substition warning
in this case. I found this to be the case with e.g. Latin Modern.

Günter

Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-28, Richard Heck wrote:
 On 06/28/2011 09:28 AM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
 Just to complete my previous mail by an example, I get the following
 type strange codings (copied from the View latex code window): 

 \end{frame}

 \lyxframeend{}\section{Blabla}


 The \end{frame} comes from an Evil Red box and \lyxframeend{} is
 introduced without a selection by me of a frame environment.

Would it solve this specific problem just to remove the ERT box with
\end{frame}?



 LyX's beamer support is kind of strange, in part because of LyX's
 limited ability to handle arguments and in part because frames act like
 insets but are rendered more like commands. This is why there is the odd
 \lyxframeend{} macro. 

The reason for the strange implementation is LyX's merging of
subsequent paragraphs of the same style into one LaTeX environment.

The beamer author invented this workaround several versions before the
--environment separator dummy style was added.

Another alternative is implementing the frame environment (and
similar) as custom insets. (Again, this is only possible in recent
versions, years after the original beamer layout was written.)
This alternative is chosen by my new version of seminar.layout
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7624

 Anyway, it does not surprise me that LyX has trouble importing beamer
 files properly. I think the only thing you can really do is clean it up
 manually.

I propose an alternative beamer layout, either relying on nesting and
--environment separator-- or with custom insets.
With such a layout in the personal LyXdir, import of beamer sources
and co-operating with no-LyXers might become easier.

Günter

Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

 Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them to
 its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem: I
 wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the corresponding
 environment for them). 

Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.

 This is really very annoying indeed... We can only gain our co-authors to
 Lyx if the conversion from Latex is quite painless.

Indeed. However, conversion from machine written LaTeX (be it
OpenOffice, SW, a Word2TeX converter or some other front end) is
always even more complicated. Some of these tools do fingerpainting
instead of structring the document.

Günter

Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Murat Yildizoglu]

2011/6/29 Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de

 On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

  Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them to
  its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem: I
  wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the
 corresponding
  environment for them).

 Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
 pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.

  This is really very annoying indeed... We can only gain our co-authors to
  Lyx if the conversion from Latex is quite painless.

 Indeed. However, conversion from machine written LaTeX (be it
 OpenOffice, SW, a Word2TeX converter or some other front end) is
 always even more complicated. Some of these tools do fingerpainting
 instead of structring the document.


Hi Günter,
I think that SW produces quite clean Latex files and the coding of the
sections uses quite standard commands. For example, one of the sections that
ended up in an ERB is:

\section{Une br\`{e}ve histoire de la croissance}


which is quite standard to my eyes.


What is not standard in SW is the use of comments for the Tex boxes and they
pollute a lot the final converted document in Lyx. This is why I do clean
them from the tex file before import (using regular expressions bases search
and replace).


But, it is strange that \begin{frame} is not recognized by Lyx and end up in
a ERB. I could maybe replace them by \lyxframebegin; but that would not be
simple since I must also handle, in this case, the \frametitle command's
argument (by transfering it of \lyxframebegin)... That could introduce more
mess in some cases if I am not careful :-(

Murat



-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3)
GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579)
Centre de la Vieille Charité
2, rue de la Charité
13236 Marseille cedex 02

Bureau 320
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau)
Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27

e-mail: murat.yildizo...@univ-cezanne.fr
www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html
http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu
__

Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-29, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
 2011/6/29 Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de
 On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

  Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them to
  its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem: I
  wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the
 corresponding
  environment for them).

 Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
 pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.

 sections uses quite standard commands. For example, one of the sections that
 ended up in an ERB is:

 \section{Une br\`{e}ve histoire de la croissance}

 which is quite standard to my eyes.

It is indeed. And usually \section commands are recognized by reLyX,
so it seems something threw it off before this line.

...

 But, it is strange that \begin{frame} is not recognized by Lyx and end up in
 a ERB. 

The reason is, that there is not Style for the frame environment in
the standard beamer.layout file. Instead, there is the BeginFrame
style that translates to \lyxframeend{}\lyxframe.

 I could maybe replace them by \lyxframebegin; but that would not be
 simple since I must also handle, in this case, the \frametitle command's
 argument (by transfering it of \lyxframebegin)... That could introduce more
 mess in some cases if I am not careful :-(

I propose an alternative beamer.layout file without all these
lyxframe This is somewhere down on my TODO list (after getting
some more knowledge about beamer).

As a start, you could try to copy beamer.layout to your $LYXDIR/layout/
directory and add a Frame style (definition adapted from my
seminar.layout, not tested):

Style Frame
LatexType   Environment
LatexName   frame
NextNoIndent1
Margin  Static
LeftMargin  N
ParIndent   
TopSep  0.4
LabelType   Top_Environment
LabelString Landscape Slide:
End

Then, re-try the import. If this helps a bit, we can try to devise a
more standard beamer layout.

Günter

Fwd: Lyx and Beamer

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Oups, I have forgotten the list's address in my reply.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Murat Yildizoglu myi...@gmail.com
Date: 2011/6/29
Subject: Re: Lyx and Beamer
To: Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de


Thank you Guenter,

That works better visually, but I crash too frequently after having
introduced this environment in the layout file. There must be something
tricky going on... If I have sometime during summer, I will check if I can
create a more complete layout adapted for the importation of my beamer
files. But I have several new courses to build this summer and I am not sure
at all to have this time.


2011/6/29 Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de

 On 2011-06-29, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
  2011/6/29 Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de
  On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

   Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them
 to
   its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem:
 I
   wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the
  corresponding
   environment for them).

  Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
  pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.

  sections uses quite standard commands. For example, one of the sections
 that
  ended up in an ERB is:

  \section{Une br\`{e}ve histoire de la croissance}

  which is quite standard to my eyes.

 It is indeed. And usually \section commands are recognized by reLyX,
 so it seems something threw it off before this line.

 ...

  But, it is strange that \begin{frame} is not recognized by Lyx and end up
 in
  a ERB.

 The reason is, that there is not Style for the frame environment in
 the standard beamer.layout file. Instead, there is the BeginFrame
 style that translates to \lyxframeend{}\lyxframe.

  I could maybe replace them by \lyxframebegin; but that would not be
  simple since I must also handle, in this case, the \frametitle command's
  argument (by transfering it of \lyxframebegin)... That could introduce
 more
  mess in some cases if I am not careful :-(

 I propose an alternative beamer.layout file without all these
 lyxframe This is somewhere down on my TODO list (after getting
 some more knowledge about beamer).

 As a start, you could try to copy beamer.layout to your $LYXDIR/layout/
 directory and add a Frame style (definition adapted from my
 seminar.layout, not tested):

 Style Frame
LatexType   Environment
LatexName   frame
NextNoIndent1
Margin  Static
LeftMargin  N
ParIndent   
TopSep  0.4
LabelType   Top_Environment
LabelString Landscape Slide:
 End

 Then, re-try the import. If this helps a bit, we can try to devise a
 more standard beamer layout.

 Günter




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3)
GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579)
Centre de la Vieille Charité
2, rue de la Charité
13236 Marseille cedex 02

Bureau 320
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau)
Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27

e-mail: murat.yildizo...@univ-cezanne.fr
www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html
http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu
__



-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3)
GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579)
Centre de la Vieille Charité
2, rue de la Charité
13236 Marseille cedex 02

Bureau 320
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau)
Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27

e-mail: murat.yildizo...@univ-cezanne.fr
www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html
http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu
__

Problem with nomentbl-package and LYX 2.0RC3 miktex2.9

[Herre, Robert]

Hi everyone,
 
I've installed LYX 2.0 RC3 and use it with miktex 2.9.  
I wrote my abbreviation list with the nomentbl-package. It worked very well with
Lyx 1.6 and Miktex 2.7.
When I compile it now, it doesn't write the list in my document, although I get
no error messages.
I used the following commands in the Tools/Output/Latex/nomenclaturecommands: -s
nomentbl.ist -o %tm.nls %tm.nlo
But when I export the File in a tex-File and compile it with the TexnicCenter,
it writes the List in the document! When I compile the Lyx file now, it shows me
the list.
Looks like Lyx only compile the File once and can't produce the Abbrev-List!
Has anyone the same mistake ever seen before?
Any suggestions?
 
Thanks a lot.
 
Sincerely... 
 

Re: Can't convert

[William Hanson]

Richard, Paul, LyX Users,

It's been over a week since I've been able to convert to finished text in
either LyX 1.6.7 or 2.0.0 (using DVI or View).  I've received many
suggestions, for which I am grateful, but nothing has worked.  Is there a
way to wipe both versions of LyX off my computer and start over from
scratch?  My OS is Windows XP.

Bill Hanson

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 On 06/27/2011 02:53 PM, William Hanson wrote:
  I made the change in 1.6.7 but still couldn't convert.  The error
  message was, No information for exporting the format DVI.
 
  In 2.0 I changed:   article article article false
  article.cls to
  article article article true article.cls, since that was the
  closest line in 2.0 to
  article article article false.  Conversion didn't work in 2.0
  either.  The error message was, The directory path to the document
  cannot contain spaces.
 
 OK, bad idea.

 rh

Re: no classes available after installation of 1.6.10 and 2.0.0-3

[Paul Rubin]

On 06/28/2011 03:54 AM, Matthias Hunstig wrote:


It only partly worked for 1.6.10. I now have a very limited and to my eyes 
strange selection of classes available, the rest is still markes as 
unavailable; see attachment.

In 2.0.0., there are still not classes available in the menu at all.

Are there classes that you know you have installed in MiKTeX but do not 
appear on the list in 1.6.10?  It seems to be finding the classes you 
would get with a minimal installation of MiKTeX.  Also, did you try 
reconfiguring 1.6.10 after you deleted the local user directory?


I can't remember: have we looked at your configuration log for 2.0.0?

Paul

Re: Can't convert

[Paul Rubin]

On 06/29/2011 02:35 PM, William Hanson wrote:

Richard, Paul, LyX Users,

It's been over a week since I've been able to convert to finished text 
in either LyX 1.6.7 or 2.0.0 (using DVI or View).  I've received many 
suggestions, for which I am grateful, but nothing has worked.  Is 
there a way to wipe both versions of LyX off my computer and start 
over from scratch?  My OS is Windows XP.


Yes.  You can run the uninstallers:  go to Control Panel, look for the 
category that says install/uninstall software, click uninstall to get a 
list of software for which Windows has identified an uninstaller, and 
use that to wipe both versions.  (As an aside, there's a very nice 
freeware program for Windows called CCleaner that, among other things, 
will do the same thing, but a bit faster.  It also has a registry 
cleaner, which is useful for zapping wayward registry entries that many 
uninstallers leave behind.)  After uninstalling, look for the LyX 
program directories (under C:\Program Files) and the user directories 
(which you've previously visited) and delete anything that may have been 
left behind.


Paul

Re: Noun (smallcaps) in Section title

[Paul Rubin]

Manolo Martínez manolo at austrohungaro.com writes:

 A quick question. If I use the Noun character style in a Section title, 
 article(paper) ignores me and renders it in lowercase. Is there a way to 
 override the style in this particular respect?

Document classes frequently dictate the font for headings (overruling your
choice). The sectsty package allows you to set font styles for headings, but it
does not work with article(paper).  If you're willing to switch to a class
sectsty supports, that is one way to get what you want.  Another possibility is
to put this in your preamble:

\usepackage{titlesec}
\titleformat*{\section}{\bfseries\sc}

That will put section titles in small caps, but they will not be bold face.

Paul

Re: html5 presentation support?

[Rainer M Krug]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Alex Fernandez ely...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Rainer,


Hi Alex,



 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote:
  I just saw some html5 presentations (e.g. http://slides.html5rocks.com )
 and
  they seem to a be a great alternative to pdf presentations with beamer et
  al. Is there anybody looking into the possibility of creating those via
 e.g.
  eLyXer?

 It sounds interesting, but I am not looking into it at the moment.
 However (and here comes the inevitable contribution request), I accept
 patches :)  If you try it you will find eLyXer very flexible in terms
 of twisting its output.


Unfortunately I don't have time at hand and do not know the inner workings
of html5 - I ust saw the org-mode exporter and thought - would be nice for
LyX.



  I think it would be absolutely great if this could be included in LyX.
 For
  an example of export exporter for emacs org-mode,
  see  https://gist.github.com/509761

 I agree.


Let's hope that somebody finds some time for this. Do you have a bug / issue
tracker for eLyXer to put the feature request in?

Cheers,

Rainer


 Thanks,

 Alex.




-- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology,
UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax (F):   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:  rai...@krugs.de

Skype:  RMkrug

Re: Noun (smallcaps) in Section title

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-28, Manolo Martínez wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 A quick question. If I use the Noun character style in a Section title, 
 article(paper) ignores me and renders it in lowercase. Is there a way to 
 override the style in this particular respect?

This depends on the font choice. Some font families are missing a bold
small caps variant. The LaTeX log will show you a font substition warning
in this case. I found this to be the case with e.g. Latin Modern.

Günter

Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-28, Richard Heck wrote:
 On 06/28/2011 09:28 AM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
 Just to complete my previous mail by an example, I get the following
 type strange codings (copied from the View latex code window): 

 \end{frame}

 \lyxframeend{}\section{Blabla}


 The \end{frame} comes from an Evil Red box and \lyxframeend{} is
 introduced without a selection by me of a frame environment.

Would it solve this specific problem just to remove the ERT box with
\end{frame}?



 LyX's beamer support is kind of strange, in part because of LyX's
 limited ability to handle arguments and in part because frames act like
 insets but are rendered more like commands. This is why there is the odd
 \lyxframeend{} macro. 

The reason for the strange implementation is LyX's merging of
subsequent paragraphs of the same style into one LaTeX environment.

The beamer author invented this workaround several versions before the
--environment separator dummy style was added.

Another alternative is implementing the frame environment (and
similar) as custom insets. (Again, this is only possible in recent
versions, years after the original beamer layout was written.)
This alternative is chosen by my new version of seminar.layout
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7624

 Anyway, it does not surprise me that LyX has trouble importing beamer
 files properly. I think the only thing you can really do is clean it up
 manually.

I propose an alternative beamer layout, either relying on nesting and
--environment separator-- or with custom insets.
With such a layout in the personal LyXdir, import of beamer sources
and co-operating with no-LyXers might become easier.

Günter

Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

 Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them to
 its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem: I
 wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the corresponding
 environment for them). 

Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.

 This is really very annoying indeed... We can only gain our co-authors to
 Lyx if the conversion from Latex is quite painless.

Indeed. However, conversion from machine written LaTeX (be it
OpenOffice, SW, a Word2TeX converter or some other front end) is
always even more complicated. Some of these tools do fingerpainting
instead of structring the document.

Günter

Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Murat Yildizoglu]

2011/6/29 Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de

 On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

  Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them to
  its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem: I
  wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the
 corresponding
  environment for them).

 Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
 pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.

  This is really very annoying indeed... We can only gain our co-authors to
  Lyx if the conversion from Latex is quite painless.

 Indeed. However, conversion from machine written LaTeX (be it
 OpenOffice, SW, a Word2TeX converter or some other front end) is
 always even more complicated. Some of these tools do fingerpainting
 instead of structring the document.


Hi Günter,
I think that SW produces quite clean Latex files and the coding of the
sections uses quite standard commands. For example, one of the sections that
ended up in an ERB is:

\section{Une br\`{e}ve histoire de la croissance}


which is quite standard to my eyes.


What is not standard in SW is the use of comments for the Tex boxes and they
pollute a lot the final converted document in Lyx. This is why I do clean
them from the tex file before import (using regular expressions bases search
and replace).


But, it is strange that \begin{frame} is not recognized by Lyx and end up in
a ERB. I could maybe replace them by \lyxframebegin; but that would not be
simple since I must also handle, in this case, the \frametitle command's
argument (by transfering it of \lyxframebegin)... That could introduce more
mess in some cases if I am not careful :-(

Murat



-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3)
GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579)
Centre de la Vieille Charité
2, rue de la Charité
13236 Marseille cedex 02

Bureau 320
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau)
Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27

e-mail: murat.yildizo...@univ-cezanne.fr
www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html
http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu
__

Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-29, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
 2011/6/29 Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de
 On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

  Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them to
  its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem: I
  wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the
 corresponding
  environment for them).

 Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
 pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.

 sections uses quite standard commands. For example, one of the sections that
 ended up in an ERB is:

 \section{Une br\`{e}ve histoire de la croissance}

 which is quite standard to my eyes.

It is indeed. And usually \section commands are recognized by reLyX,
so it seems something threw it off before this line.

...

 But, it is strange that \begin{frame} is not recognized by Lyx and end up in
 a ERB. 

The reason is, that there is not Style for the frame environment in
the standard beamer.layout file. Instead, there is the BeginFrame
style that translates to \lyxframeend{}\lyxframe.

 I could maybe replace them by \lyxframebegin; but that would not be
 simple since I must also handle, in this case, the \frametitle command's
 argument (by transfering it of \lyxframebegin)... That could introduce more
 mess in some cases if I am not careful :-(

I propose an alternative beamer.layout file without all these
lyxframe This is somewhere down on my TODO list (after getting
some more knowledge about beamer).

As a start, you could try to copy beamer.layout to your $LYXDIR/layout/
directory and add a Frame style (definition adapted from my
seminar.layout, not tested):

Style Frame
LatexType   Environment
LatexName   frame
NextNoIndent1
Margin  Static
LeftMargin  N
ParIndent   
TopSep  0.4
LabelType   Top_Environment
LabelString Landscape Slide:
End

Then, re-try the import. If this helps a bit, we can try to devise a
more standard beamer layout.

Günter

Fwd: Lyx and Beamer

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Oups, I have forgotten the list's address in my reply.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Murat Yildizoglu myi...@gmail.com
Date: 2011/6/29
Subject: Re: Lyx and Beamer
To: Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de


Thank you Guenter,

That works better visually, but I crash too frequently after having
introduced this environment in the layout file. There must be something
tricky going on... If I have sometime during summer, I will check if I can
create a more complete layout adapted for the importation of my beamer
files. But I have several new courses to build this summer and I am not sure
at all to have this time.


2011/6/29 Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de

 On 2011-06-29, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
  2011/6/29 Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de
  On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

   Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them
 to
   its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem:
 I
   wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the
  corresponding
   environment for them).

  Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
  pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.

  sections uses quite standard commands. For example, one of the sections
 that
  ended up in an ERB is:

  \section{Une br\`{e}ve histoire de la croissance}

  which is quite standard to my eyes.

 It is indeed. And usually \section commands are recognized by reLyX,
 so it seems something threw it off before this line.

 ...

  But, it is strange that \begin{frame} is not recognized by Lyx and end up
 in
  a ERB.

 The reason is, that there is not Style for the frame environment in
 the standard beamer.layout file. Instead, there is the BeginFrame
 style that translates to \lyxframeend{}\lyxframe.

  I could maybe replace them by \lyxframebegin; but that would not be
  simple since I must also handle, in this case, the \frametitle command's
  argument (by transfering it of \lyxframebegin)... That could introduce
 more
  mess in some cases if I am not careful :-(

 I propose an alternative beamer.layout file without all these
 lyxframe This is somewhere down on my TODO list (after getting
 some more knowledge about beamer).

 As a start, you could try to copy beamer.layout to your $LYXDIR/layout/
 directory and add a Frame style (definition adapted from my
 seminar.layout, not tested):

 Style Frame
LatexType   Environment
LatexName   frame
NextNoIndent1
Margin  Static
LeftMargin  N
ParIndent   
TopSep  0.4
LabelType   Top_Environment
LabelString Landscape Slide:
 End

 Then, re-try the import. If this helps a bit, we can try to devise a
 more standard beamer layout.

 Günter




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Problem with nomentbl-package and LYX 2.0RC3 miktex2.9

[Herre, Robert]

Hi everyone,
 
I've installed LYX 2.0 RC3 and use it with miktex 2.9.  
I wrote my abbreviation list with the nomentbl-package. It worked very well with
Lyx 1.6 and Miktex 2.7.
When I compile it now, it doesn't write the list in my document, although I get
no error messages.
I used the following commands in the Tools/Output/Latex/nomenclaturecommands: -s
nomentbl.ist -o %tm.nls %tm.nlo
But when I export the File in a tex-File and compile it with the TexnicCenter,
it writes the List in the document! When I compile the Lyx file now, it shows me
the list.
Looks like Lyx only compile the File once and can't produce the Abbrev-List!
Has anyone the same mistake ever seen before?
Any suggestions?
 
Thanks a lot.
 
Sincerely... 
 

Re: Can't convert

[William Hanson]

Richard, Paul, LyX Users,

It's been over a week since I've been able to convert to finished text in
either LyX 1.6.7 or 2.0.0 (using DVI or View).  I've received many
suggestions, for which I am grateful, but nothing has worked.  Is there a
way to wipe both versions of LyX off my computer and start over from
scratch?  My OS is Windows XP.

Bill Hanson

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 On 06/27/2011 02:53 PM, William Hanson wrote:
  I made the change in 1.6.7 but still couldn't convert.  The error
  message was, No information for exporting the format DVI.
 
  In 2.0 I changed:   article article article false
  article.cls to
  article article article true article.cls, since that was the
  closest line in 2.0 to
  article article article false.  Conversion didn't work in 2.0
  either.  The error message was, The directory path to the document
  cannot contain spaces.
 
 OK, bad idea.

 rh

Re: no classes available after installation of 1.6.10 and 2.0.0-3

[Paul Rubin]

On 06/28/2011 03:54 AM, Matthias Hunstig wrote:


It only partly worked for 1.6.10. I now have a very limited and to my eyes 
strange selection of classes available, the rest is still markes as 
unavailable; see attachment.

In 2.0.0., there are still not classes available in the menu at all.

Are there classes that you know you have installed in MiKTeX but do not 
appear on the list in 1.6.10?  It seems to be finding the classes you 
would get with a minimal installation of MiKTeX.  Also, did you try 
reconfiguring 1.6.10 after you deleted the local user directory?


I can't remember: have we looked at your configuration log for 2.0.0?

Paul

Re: Can't convert

[Paul Rubin]

On 06/29/2011 02:35 PM, William Hanson wrote:

Richard, Paul, LyX Users,

It's been over a week since I've been able to convert to finished text 
in either LyX 1.6.7 or 2.0.0 (using DVI or View).  I've received many 
suggestions, for which I am grateful, but nothing has worked.  Is 
there a way to wipe both versions of LyX off my computer and start 
over from scratch?  My OS is Windows XP.


Yes.  You can run the uninstallers:  go to Control Panel, look for the 
category that says install/uninstall software, click uninstall to get a 
list of software for which Windows has identified an uninstaller, and 
use that to wipe both versions.  (As an aside, there's a very nice 
freeware program for Windows called CCleaner that, among other things, 
will do the same thing, but a bit faster.  It also has a registry 
cleaner, which is useful for zapping wayward registry entries that many 
uninstallers leave behind.)  After uninstalling, look for the LyX 
program directories (under C:\Program Files) and the user directories 
(which you've previously visited) and delete anything that may have been 
left behind.


Paul

Re: Noun (smallcaps) in Section title

[Paul Rubin]

Manolo Martínez manolo at austrohungaro.com writes:

 A quick question. If I use the Noun character style in a Section title, 
 article(paper) ignores me and renders it in lowercase. Is there a way to 
 override the style in this particular respect?

Document classes frequently dictate the font for headings (overruling your
choice). The sectsty package allows you to set font styles for headings, but it
does not work with article(paper).  If you're willing to switch to a class
sectsty supports, that is one way to get what you want.  Another possibility is
to put this in your preamble:

\usepackage{titlesec}
\titleformat*{\section}{\bfseries\sc}

That will put section titles in small caps, but they will not be bold face.

Paul

Re: html5 presentation support?

[Rainer M Krug]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Alex Fernandez  wrote:

> Hi Rainer,
>

Hi Alex,


>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Rainer M Krug  wrote:
> > I just saw some html5 presentations (e.g. http://slides.html5rocks.com )
> and
> > they seem to a be a great alternative to pdf presentations with beamer et
> > al. Is there anybody looking into the possibility of creating those via
> e.g.
> > eLyXer?
>
> It sounds interesting, but I am not looking into it at the moment.
> However (and here comes the inevitable contribution request), I accept
> patches :)  If you try it you will find eLyXer very flexible in terms
> of twisting its output.
>

Unfortunately I don't have time at hand and do not know the inner workings
of html5 - I ust saw the org-mode exporter and thought - would be nice for
LyX.


>
> > I think it would be absolutely great if this could be included in LyX.
> For
> > an example of export exporter for emacs org-mode,
> > see  https://gist.github.com/509761
>
> I agree.
>

Let's hope that somebody finds some time for this. Do you have a bug / issue
tracker for eLyXer to put the feature request in?

Cheers,

Rainer

>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex.
>



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Re: Noun (smallcaps) in Section title

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-28, Manolo Martínez wrote:
> Hello everyone,

> A quick question. If I use the Noun character style in a Section title, 
> article(paper) ignores me and renders it in lowercase. Is there a way to 
> override the style in this particular respect?

This depends on the font choice. Some font families are missing a bold
small caps variant. The LaTeX log will show you a font substition warning
in this case. I found this to be the case with e.g. Latin Modern.

Günter

Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-28, Richard Heck wrote:
> On 06/28/2011 09:28 AM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
>> Just to complete my previous mail by an example, I get the following
>> type strange codings (copied from the View latex code window): 

>> \end{frame}

>> \lyxframeend{}\section{Blabla}


>> The \end{frame} comes from an Evil Red box and \lyxframeend{} is
>> introduced without a selection by me of a frame environment.

Would it solve this specific problem just to remove the ERT box with
\end{frame}?



> LyX's beamer support is kind of strange, in part because of LyX's
> limited ability to handle arguments and in part because frames act like
> insets but are rendered more like commands. This is why there is the odd
> \lyxframeend{} macro. 

The reason for the "strange" implementation is LyX's merging of
subsequent paragraphs of the same style into one LaTeX environment.

The beamer author invented this workaround several versions before the
"--environment separator" dummy style was added.

Another alternative is implementing the "frame" environment (and
similar) as custom insets. (Again, this is only possible in "recent"
versions, years after the original beamer layout was written.)
This alternative is chosen by my new version of seminar.layout
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7624

> Anyway, it does not surprise me that LyX has trouble importing beamer
> files properly. I think the only thing you can really do is clean it up
> manually.

I propose an alternative beamer layout, either relying on nesting and
--environment separator-- or with custom insets.
With such a layout in the personal LyXdir, import of beamer sources
and co-operating with no-LyXers might become easier.

Günter

Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

> Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them to
> its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem: I
> wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the corresponding
> environment for them). 

Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.

> This is really very annoying indeed... We can only gain our co-authors to
> Lyx if the conversion from Latex is quite painless.

Indeed. However, conversion from "machine written" LaTeX (be it
OpenOffice, SW, a Word2TeX converter or some other front end) is
always even more complicated. Some of these tools do "fingerpainting"
instead of structring the document.

Günter

Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Murat Yildizoglu]

2011/6/29 Guenter Milde 

> On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
>
> > Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them to
> > its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem: I
> > wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the
> corresponding
> > environment for them).
>
> Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
> pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.
>
> > This is really very annoying indeed... We can only gain our co-authors to
> > Lyx if the conversion from Latex is quite painless.
>
> Indeed. However, conversion from "machine written" LaTeX (be it
> OpenOffice, SW, a Word2TeX converter or some other front end) is
> always even more complicated. Some of these tools do "fingerpainting"
> instead of structring the document.
>
>
Hi Günter,
I think that SW produces quite clean Latex files and the coding of the
sections uses quite standard commands. For example, one of the sections that
ended up in an ERB is:

\section{Une br\`{e}ve histoire de la croissance}


which is quite standard to my eyes.


What is not standard in SW is the use of comments for the Tex boxes and they
pollute a lot the final converted document in Lyx. This is why I do clean
them from the tex file before import (using regular expressions bases search
and replace).


But, it is strange that \begin{frame} is not recognized by Lyx and end up in
a ERB. I could maybe replace them by \lyxframebegin; but that would not be
simple since I must also handle, in this case, the \frametitle command's
argument (by transfering it of \lyxframebegin)... That could introduce more
mess in some cases if I am not careful :-(

Murat



-- 
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Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3)
GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579)
Centre de la Vieille Charité
2, rue de la Charité
13236 Marseille cedex 02

Bureau 320
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau)
Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27

e-mail: murat.yildizo...@univ-cezanne.fr
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Re: Lyx and Beamer

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-29, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
> 2011/6/29 Guenter Milde 
>> On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

>> > Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them to
>> > its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem: I
>> > wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the
>> corresponding
>> > environment for them).

>> Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
>> pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.

> sections uses quite standard commands. For example, one of the sections that
> ended up in an ERB is:

> \section{Une br\`{e}ve histoire de la croissance}

> which is quite standard to my eyes.

It is indeed. And usually \section commands are recognized by reLyX,
so it seems something threw it off before this line.

...

> But, it is strange that \begin{frame} is not recognized by Lyx and end up in
> a ERB. 

The reason is, that there is not Style for the "frame" environment in
the standard beamer.layout file. Instead, there is the "BeginFrame"
style that translates to \lyxframeend{}\lyxframe.

> I could maybe replace them by \lyxframebegin; but that would not be
> simple since I must also handle, in this case, the \frametitle command's
> argument (by transfering it of \lyxframebegin)... That could introduce more
> mess in some cases if I am not careful :-(

I propose an alternative beamer.layout file without all these
"lyxframe...". This is somewhere down on my TODO list (after getting
some more knowledge about beamer).

As a start, you could try to copy beamer.layout to your $LYXDIR/layout/
directory and add a Frame style (definition adapted from my
seminar.layout, not tested):

Style Frame
LatexType   Environment
LatexName   frame
NextNoIndent1
Margin  Static
LeftMargin  N
ParIndent   ""
TopSep  0.4
LabelType   Top_Environment
LabelString "Landscape Slide:"
End

Then, re-try the import. If this helps a bit, we can try to devise a
more standard beamer layout.

Günter

Fwd: Lyx and Beamer

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Oups, I have forgotten the list's address in my reply.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Murat Yildizoglu 
Date: 2011/6/29
Subject: Re: Lyx and Beamer
To: Guenter Milde 


Thank you Guenter,

That works better visually, but I crash too frequently after having
introduced this environment in the layout file. There must be something
tricky going on... If I have sometime during summer, I will check if I can
create a more complete layout adapted for the importation of my beamer
files. But I have several new courses to build this summer and I am not sure
at all to have this time.


2011/6/29 Guenter Milde 

> On 2011-06-29, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
> > 2011/6/29 Guenter Milde 
> >> On 2011-06-28, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
>
> >> > Lyx is not able to recognize \section like commands and translate them
> to
> >> > its environment structure (this is how I got the \lyxframeend problem:
> I
> >> > wanted to have more readable section titles, by selection the
> >> corresponding
> >> > environment for them).
>
> >> Looks like SW uses non-standard ways to mark up sections. Maybe
> >> pre-processing the *.tex file before the LyX import helps.
>
> > sections uses quite standard commands. For example, one of the sections
> that
> > ended up in an ERB is:
>
> > \section{Une br\`{e}ve histoire de la croissance}
>
> > which is quite standard to my eyes.
>
> It is indeed. And usually \section commands are recognized by reLyX,
> so it seems something threw it off before this line.
>
> ...
>
> > But, it is strange that \begin{frame} is not recognized by Lyx and end up
> in
> > a ERB.
>
> The reason is, that there is not Style for the "frame" environment in
> the standard beamer.layout file. Instead, there is the "BeginFrame"
> style that translates to \lyxframeend{}\lyxframe.
>
> > I could maybe replace them by \lyxframebegin; but that would not be
> > simple since I must also handle, in this case, the \frametitle command's
> > argument (by transfering it of \lyxframebegin)... That could introduce
> more
> > mess in some cases if I am not careful :-(
>
> I propose an alternative beamer.layout file without all these
> "lyxframe...". This is somewhere down on my TODO list (after getting
> some more knowledge about beamer).
>
> As a start, you could try to copy beamer.layout to your $LYXDIR/layout/
> directory and add a Frame style (definition adapted from my
> seminar.layout, not tested):
>
> Style Frame
>LatexType   Environment
>LatexName   frame
>NextNoIndent1
>Margin  Static
>LeftMargin  N
>ParIndent   ""
>TopSep  0.4
>LabelType   Top_Environment
>LabelString "Landscape Slide:"
> End
>
> Then, re-try the import. If this helps a bit, we can try to devise a
> more standard beamer layout.
>
> Günter
>
>


-- 
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Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3)
GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579)
Centre de la Vieille Charité
2, rue de la Charité
13236 Marseille cedex 02

Bureau 320
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau)
Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27

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-- 
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Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3)
GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579)
Centre de la Vieille Charité
2, rue de la Charité
13236 Marseille cedex 02

Bureau 320
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat)
Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau)
Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27

e-mail: murat.yildizo...@univ-cezanne.fr
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Problem with nomentbl-package and LYX 2.0RC3 miktex2.9

[Herre, Robert]

Hi everyone,
 
I've installed LYX 2.0 RC3 and use it with miktex 2.9.  
I wrote my abbreviation list with the nomentbl-package. It worked very well with
Lyx 1.6 and Miktex 2.7.
When I compile it now, it doesn't write the list in my document, although I get
no error messages.
I used the following commands in the Tools/Output/Latex/nomenclaturecommands: -s
nomentbl.ist -o "%tm".nls "%tm".nlo
But when I export the File in a tex-File and compile it with the TexnicCenter,
it writes the List in the document! When I compile the Lyx file now, it shows me
the list.
Looks like Lyx only compile the File once and can't produce the Abbrev-List!
Has anyone the same mistake ever seen before?
Any suggestions?
 
Thanks a lot.
 
Sincerely... 
 

Re: Can't convert

[William Hanson]

Richard, Paul, LyX Users,

It's been over a week since I've been able to convert to finished text in
either LyX 1.6.7 or 2.0.0 (using DVI or View).  I've received many
suggestions, for which I am grateful, but nothing has worked.  Is there a
way to wipe both versions of LyX off my computer and start over from
scratch?  My OS is Windows XP.

Bill Hanson

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:

> On 06/27/2011 02:53 PM, William Hanson wrote:
> > I made the change in 1.6.7 but still couldn't convert.  The error
> > message was, "No information for exporting the format DVI".
> >
> > In 2.0 I changed:   "article" "article" "article" "false"
> > "article.cls" to
> > "article" "article" "article" "true" "article.cls", since that was the
> > closest line in 2.0 to
> > "article" "article" "article" "false".  Conversion didn't work in 2.0
> > either.  The error message was, "The directory path to the document
> > cannot contain spaces".
> >
> OK, bad idea.
>
> rh
>
>

Re: no classes available after installation of 1.6.10 and 2.0.0-3

[Paul Rubin]

On 06/28/2011 03:54 AM, Matthias Hunstig wrote:


It only partly worked for 1.6.10. I now have a very limited and to my eyes 
strange selection of classes available, the rest is still markes as 
unavailable; see attachment.

In 2.0.0., there are still not classes available in the menu at all.

Are there classes that you know you have installed in MiKTeX but do not 
appear on the list in 1.6.10?  It seems to be finding the classes you 
would get with a minimal installation of MiKTeX.  Also, did you try 
reconfiguring 1.6.10 after you deleted the local user directory?


I can't remember: have we looked at your configuration log for 2.0.0?

Paul

Re: Can't convert

[Paul Rubin]

On 06/29/2011 02:35 PM, William Hanson wrote:

Richard, Paul, LyX Users,

It's been over a week since I've been able to convert to finished text 
in either LyX 1.6.7 or 2.0.0 (using DVI or View).  I've received many 
suggestions, for which I am grateful, but nothing has worked.  Is 
there a way to wipe both versions of LyX off my computer and start 
over from scratch?  My OS is Windows XP.


Yes.  You can run the uninstallers:  go to Control Panel, look for the 
category that says install/uninstall software, click uninstall to get a 
list of software for which Windows has identified an uninstaller, and 
use that to wipe both versions.  (As an aside, there's a very nice 
freeware program for Windows called CCleaner that, among other things, 
will do the same thing, but a bit faster.  It also has a registry 
cleaner, which is useful for zapping wayward registry entries that many 
uninstallers leave behind.)  After uninstalling, look for the LyX 
program directories (under C:\Program Files) and the user directories 
(which you've previously visited) and delete anything that may have been 
left behind.


Paul

Re: Noun (smallcaps) in Section title

[Paul Rubin]

Manolo Martínez  austrohungaro.com> writes:

> A quick question. If I use the Noun character style in a Section title, 
> article(paper) ignores me and renders it in lowercase. Is there a way to 
> override the style in this particular respect?

Document classes frequently dictate the font for headings (overruling your
choice). The sectsty package allows you to set font styles for headings, but it
does not work with article(paper).  If you're willing to switch to a class
sectsty supports, that is one way to get what you want.  Another possibility is
to put this in your preamble:

\usepackage{titlesec}
\titleformat*{\section}{\bfseries\sc}

That will put section titles in small caps, but they will not be bold face.

Paul