Re: The tyranny of the APA Manual (more or less on topic)
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 4:56 PM, John Kane wrote: > > It's not some kind of self-help group but a high-powered group of experts > providing advice. As a rough analogy, think of having the R Core > Development team plus a few major package maintainers running a blog. > > It speaks to the importance of APA style overall. I think I mentioned in > the earlier discussion of the importance of having an APA6 document class > and this blog seems to strengthen that idea. I believe I mentioned that the > APA5 manual states that over 1000 journals, and students ranging from > nursing to nuclear technology (Personal communication Oct. 2012) use it. > Okay, so I actually looked at it this time. I agree that the blog strengthens the case for APA being important. I find it interesting that you make that comment. Many times I find that when people refer to something as (merely) a blog, it is to discredit the source. Here, you are making the opposite case. Like I said, I agree with your point. It's like it adds another dimension to it. They're not the only ones, either. As an actual example of your analogy to the R Core Development team, the Mathworks (who develops Matlab) have at least a half-dozen regularly maintained blogs. Jacob
Re: The tyranny of the APA Manual (more or less on topic)
From: Jacob Bishop To: John Kane Cc: "lyx-users@lists.lyx.org" Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:38:15 PM Subject: Re: The tyranny of the APA Manual (more or less on topic) On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 8:13 AM, John Kane wrote: I was poking around the Zotero site trying to see if there was a way to get a specific APA citation format [Author (date)] which is easy enough in LyX or LaTeX to work in a word processor such as AOO Writer or MS Word[1]. Well actually I don't know if you are aware, but there is a project called Docear4word. See http://www.docear.org/category/docear4word/ Now, I use LyX for writing papers, along with JabRef, which uses BibTeX. If I had to use Word, though, I would probably use Docear4word, because it also works nicely with JabRef. No I had not heard of it. Seems a bit interesting though I detest Word. I was one of the beta tester for Excel--my university was a site and I liked it but I have never liked the design or philosophy of Word. I use OpenOffice and occasionally LibreOffice but if I were to do all my writing in them I'd stick with Zotero. Bibtex with JabRef is okay but it really is just a way to hanle references. Zotero is a pretty complete bibliographic management system which allows the storage of articles, etc, within the data base--heck I've got 2 or 3 pdf books from various places stored there, tagging, linking, and the maintanance of elaborate notes. It looks like it was designed by working scholars for working scholars and it seems to interface pretty smoothly with Word and OpenOffice with that Author alone problem being one exception I was finding that Zotero inserts the citation in (Author, Date) format without allowing modifications as one can when inserting from a bibtex file and hoped to find a way to avoid having to go back and edit later if it could be done in a word processor. > >I found a discussion of exactly that issue on a Zotero forum and came across a >reference to the American Psychology Association blog that, as far as I can >see, is almost exclusively devoted to advice on how to deal with the >Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association. As they say, >“The APA Style Blog is the official companion to the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association, Sixth Edition”. > >I know, from personal experience, that everyone from undergraduates to tenured >professors obsess over proper referencing but a blog? Why not? I think things like this help people pull together and deal with the difficult circumstances. You know, when they feel trapped. It sounds sort of like an alcoholics anonymous group, but for academics in the social sciences, who, for one reason or another, just can't stop using APA. No, no, no, This is not a self-help blog. You need to have a look at the blog. http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/. It is written by what 12 full-time APA experts in publications http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/apa-style-experts.html. This means by the experts by the people who turn out all the major APA journals , books and who maintain or help maintain PsycINFO It's not some kind of self-help group but a high-powered group of experts providing advice. As a rough analogy, think of having the R Core Development team plus a few major package maintainers running a blog. It speaks to the importance of APA style overall. I think I mentioned in the earlier discussion of the importance of having an APA6 document class and this blog seems to strengthen that idea. I believe I mentioned that the APA5 manual states that over 1000 journals, and students ranging from nursing to nuclear technology (Personal communication Oct. 2012) use it. In fact, in poking around the APA site I got the impression that publishing and supporting APA style is a major industry. In spite of some of the Manual's insane pickiness, it does provide a common language and format for reporting a lot of things. You know where to look for information and exactly in what format to expect it. One does not have to worry if the authors are reporting measurements in Babylonian cubits or whatever--you know it's IS0. Also, come to think of it, in overall form it may well speak to its importance from a legal perspective as well. If you are a nuclear engineering report on an accident, a nurse drafting a patient report for official consideration, or a clinical psychologist preparing for a custody hearing, you all have a stable template to work from: no one has to re-invent the wheel and everyone receiving the information knows what they are getting.In many cases it is difficult to overstate the importance of standardization. As an aside I worked on a project a few years ago where we were dealing with data from all across Canada. At the time, when building one of our data bases we discovered that abbreviations for the various provinces and territories over the over 30 ye
list of figures and table overlapping with title
Hi guys I'm using Lyx for my PhD thesis. Unfortunately I do not know how to use Latex, but I have been very happy with Lyx. When I generate the PDF output, in the list of figures and tables when I get to 5.5.10 5.5.11 then the 0 overlaps with the first letter of the title of the table or figure. I have been reading online about changing Latex codes but I don't know how to do this. Is there an easy way to get round this problem? If not, could you advise me how to change the code "for dummys"! Thanks in advance LJ
Re: The tyranny of the APA Manual (more or less on topic)
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 8:13 AM, John Kane wrote: > I was poking around the Zotero site trying to see if there was a way to > get a specific APA citation format [Author (date)] which is easy enough in > LyX or LaTeX to work in a word processor such as AOO Writer or MS Word[1]. > Well actually > I don't know if you are aware, but there is a project called Docear4word. See http://www.docear.org/category/docear4word/ Now, I use LyX for writing papers, along with JabRef, which uses BibTeX. If I had to use Word, though, I would probably use Docear4word, because it also works nicely with JabRef. > I was finding that Zotero inserts the citation in (Author, Date) format > without allowing modifications as one can when inserting from a bibtex file > and hoped to find a way to avoid having to go back and edit later if it > could be done in a word processor. > > I found a discussion of exactly that issue on a Zotero forum and came > across a reference to the American Psychology Association blog that, as far > as I can see, is almost exclusively devoted to advice on how to deal with > the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association. As they > say, “The APA Style Blog is the official companion to the Publication > Manual of the American Psychological Association, Sixth Edition”. > > I know, from personal experience, that everyone from undergraduates to > tenured professors obsess over proper referencing but a blog? > Why not? I think things like this help people pull together and deal with the difficult circumstances. You know, when they feel trapped. It sounds sort of like an alcoholics anonymous group, but for academics in the social sciences, who, for one reason or another, just can't stop using APA. > Does anyone know of the existence of something like this for any other > style manual? > I don't have the slightest idea of how many APA Manual users use LyX or > LaTeX but I think it's very nice that LyX offers it. Well that's partially > just me being selfish but a lack of the APA6 document class would be a > complete deal-breaker for anyone wanting to use LyX. Oh, and while poking > along I ran over a note that the Manual was being translated into Arabic, > Simple Chinese, Italian, Nepalese, Polish, Romanian, Portuguese, and > Spanish among other languages. > I agree, APA use is widespread,and it probably will not slowing down any time soon. I think it will be best if we just try to learn to cope with it. > > 1. The answer was no, Zotero does not do this but there is a reasonable > work around: Just type the Author part and insert the reference with author > suppressed. > Jacob
Re: Citation and reference style
From: Csikos Bela To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:01:01 AM Subject: Re: Citation and reference style Turn on source view (View->View Source), set it to showing Preamble Only. Note that you have to insert at least one citation for the command to be inserted. bcsikos Ah thank you. I have been wondering how to do that and kept forgetting to ask.
Re: Citation and reference style
Am Saturday, 24. August 2013, 16:01:01 schrieb Csikos Bela: Thanks for this very illustrative and comprehensive explanation. I was not aware of this possibility: > Turn on source view (View->View Source), set it to showing > Preamble Only. Note that you have to insert at least one citation > for the command to be inserted. good to know. Thanks. One more question: I found Elsarticle-harv the style which comes quite close to what the editor/Springer wants, except it gives me for citations (Author, 2004) instead of (Author 2004) in the \citep case. There is no offer for (Author 2004) (i.e. no comma) in the citation style selection. For \citealt there is a selection for Author 2004 (no comma). How could I get this right? Wolfgang
The tyranny of the APA Manual (more or less on topic)
I was poking around the Zotero site trying to see if there was a way to get a specific APA citation format [Author (date)] which is easy enough in LyX or LaTeX to work in a word processor such as AOO Writer or MS Word[1]. Well actually I was finding that Zotero inserts the citation in (Author, Date) format without allowing modifications as one can when inserting from a bibtex file and hoped to find a way to avoid having to go back and edit later if it could be done in a word processor. I found a discussion of exactly that issue on a Zotero forum and came across a reference to the American Psychology Association blog that, as far as I can see, is almost exclusively devoted to advice on how to deal with the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association. As they say, “The APA Style Blog is the official companion to the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association, Sixth Edition”. I know, from personal experience, that everyone from undergraduates to tenured professors obsess over proper referencing but a blog? Does anyone know of the existence of something like this for any other style manual? I don't have the slightest idea of how many APA Manual users use LyX or LaTeX but I think it's very nice that LyX offers it. Well that's partially just me being selfish but a lack of the APA6 document class would be a complete deal-breaker for anyone wanting to use LyX. Oh, and while poking along I ran over a note that the Manual was being translated into Arabic, Simple Chinese, Italian, Nepalese, Polish, Romanian, Portuguese, and Spanish among other languages. 1. The answer was no, Zotero does not do this but there is a reasonable work around: Just type the Author part and insert the reference with author suppressed.
Re: Citation and reference style
Wolfgang Engelmann írta: >I do not quite understand >document>bibliography > >there are only 3 citation styles: OK, I try to explain. These 3 options are not citation styles. LaTex has its own default command set and what it can do. However this set is limited. Therefore your can load packages (you could call them modules or plugins as well) which add further options (possibilities) to what you can do with LaTeX. That is loading packages increase the capabilities of LaTeX. These packages add new commands and/or modify basic commands. >default (numerical) >Natbib with style Author-year and numerical >and Jurabib When you select default, LyX does not load any package. In this case you can use only the default LaTeX bibliography capabilities, which is very limited. It only support numeric type citations (if I am correct). If you want different citation/bibliography types you can load packages (sty files). There are many of them, one is jurabib, another one is natbib package. These packages change LaTex default behavior and add new commands. All these packages are different. If you want to use one of them you have to learn how to use that specific one. The package manuals describe how to use the given package. I only use the natbib package because it is very flexible. Along with the package (sty file) bibliography generation requires a .bst file which defines the style (look) of the citations and the bibliography (references). The bst style file has to support a given package. Generally the sty files are accompanied with different bst files you can use with them. For example the natbib package comes with abbrvnat.bst, plainnat.bst, and unsrtnat.bst styles, which are guaranteed to work with natbib package. >What if I want Kluwer style or something else? In optimal case there should be a Kluwer.sty file and a Kluwer.bst file which together make the correct output. If there are no such files you have to find another pair which makes the same output. >How would I modify Natbib with something else besides Author-year (eg >round, comma)? When you select natbib in Document->Settings->Bibliography, lyx loads natbib package in the preamble: \usepackage[authoryear]{natbib} or \usepackage[numbers]{natbib} depending on your selection. Turn on source view (View->View Source), set it to showing Preamble Only. Note that you have to insert at least one citation for the command to be inserted. >In the preamble, and would this overwrite the bibliography >setting? (eg with your \setcitestyle{comma,aysep={}}? Yes. Since the package is already loaded, you can not load it again, or you'll get errors. Instead modify the package options (without loading it again) by \setcitestyle command. Options and keywords are described in the natbib manual. >Why is default only numerical? This is how LaTeX was written. It is not a problem, since there are many packages that extends it. >I can't leave everything unchecked in Bibliography, I have to check >one. Yes, but if you check default (numerical) no additional package is loaded. It equals to not selecting anything. bcsikos
Re: Citation and reference style
On 23/08/2013 3:08 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: Am Thursday, 22. August 2013, 20:46:14 schrieb Csikos Bela: > >So I select under tools>output>latex> Bibliography Processor > bibtex > >(or custom? or bibtex8?) > > It seems you are using an older lyx version. It should work with it, > still I suggest upgrading lyx to version 2.x. ###Thanks for your answer. I am using 2.0.6 May be I should upgrade, but I am always afraid I do something wrong and can't work with it afterward. There is a deadline for a book chapter waiting... > > Set bibliography processor to bibtex. bibtex8 might work as well, I > never tried it. If you select bibtex, make sure those fields in the bib > database file that will be in the output do have only ASCII or latin-1 > encoded characters. Special characters should be replaced by latex > commands (eg. ö is \"{o} etc.). > > >Since I have over 700 citations, I used Jabref for my bibliography and > >clicked the references via the lyx-export of jabref to the > >corresponding places of my document. If I use \setcitestyle{aysep={}} > >instead of your proposed \setcitestyle{round,aysep={}}, and if I put > >() around the citation, I get what I need. > > Do not add manually '(' and ')' around citations. The opening and > closing braces (rounded, square, or other) are part of the citation. > And it is better to add the citations within lyx. > > I don't know if jabref can handle the two different types of citations: > ' and 'text (Author year) text'. Can it make a > difference? If you insert the citations within lyx you can select which > type you want. If you look at the source you can see that the latex > command for the two types are different, \citet and \citep. > > Also, if you have several citations in a group, lyx can handle it. > Can jabref handle that? ###I do it via lyx (add) > > Unfortunately you have to go through all the citations and adjust them > manually. Or you can work on the .lyx source file directly using a text > editor and replacing all cite* command with citep. (Make a backup > of the original file before editing!) After this open your edited file > in lyx, find the few (I suppose) occasions of 'text Author (year) text' > type citations and adjust them manually. > > The \setcitestyle{round,aysep={}} and \setcitestyle{aysep={}} > commands in the preamble have the same effect, as round is the > default option in case of author-year citation. Removing or adding it > does not make any difference. > > >But what about eg: (Praschak-Rieder and Willeit 2012) and in case > >of three authors and more (Crosthwait et al. 1997)? > > I don't understand what your question is. ### here I meant the 'et al' after more then 2 authors in a (one!) reference: author 1 author 1 and author 2 author 1 et all (3 authors or more) > Unfortunately latex handles citations in goups. One group is all > the citations selected and added at the same time. All these citations > will be between the same pair of parentheses. If you add neighboring > citations separately, they will be within different parentheses pairs. > > The source also shows the difference. For example. > > 3 citations in one group: > > \citep{citation1,citation2,citaton3} > > The output will be: > > (author1 year1, author2 year2, author3 year3) > > However if you add them separately, like this: > > \citep{citation1} \citep{citation2} \cite{citaton3} > > the output will be: > > (author1 year1) (author2 year2) (author3 year3) > > You can adjust the opening and closing braces and the seperators > between authors etc using \setcitestyle. > > Read the natbib manual (available at CTAN) section 2.9 Selecting > citation punctuation. > > >Where in the .lyx file (or elsewhere) would I place the authdate.bst > >file you kindly supplied? > > You can put it anywhere you want, but the best place is the directory > where your .lyx file is. You select the bst file by clicking 'BibTeX > Generated Bibliography' and browse for it. ### I guess there is a 'normal' place? I have it now in .lyx/layouts The .bst file has to be found by *bibtex*, so .lyx/layouts isn't a particularly good choice (unless you additionally tell bibtex to look there). The document directory, as suggested by Csikos, works just fine. Cheers, Julien
Re: Citation and reference style
On 24/08/2013 3:13 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: Am Friday, 23. August 2013, 20:41:37 schrieb Csikos Bela: > Wolfgang Engelmann írta: > > I haven't tried 2.1 beta yet. 2.0.6 should work in your case perfectly. > > >For clarification I include a small lyx file and bib file with which I > >tried out your authdate.bst file you had sent, but it did not work (?? > >instead of citations, no references, no error message. > > It works perfectly. In your sample lyx file you have loaded natbib > twice, probably that was the reason for fail. If you load natbib > through lyx GUI you must not load it again in your preamble. > > I modified your sample lyx file and I attach it here with the output > pdf. > > bcsikos Thanks again, Csikos. I do not quite understand document>bibliography there are only 3 citation styles: default (numerical) Natbib with style Author-year and numerical and Jurabib How would I modify Natbib with something else besides Author-year (eg round, comma)? In the preamble, and would this overwrite the bibliography setting? (eg with your \setcitestyle{comma,aysep={}}? Why is default only numerical? What if I want Kluwer style or something else? I can't leave everything unchecked in Bibliography, I have to check one. The file kluwer.bst is used with harvard.sty or natbib.sty. If you watn to use harvard.sty, select the "default" bibliography and put \usepackage{harvard} in your document preamble. If you want to use natbib.sty instead (recommended), select the "natbib author-year" setting. If you need additional customization of natbib options, do it in the document preamble as Csikos explained. kluwer.bst supports full author citation, so you're good to use it with all the natbib features. Cheers, Julien
LyX and the Windows 8 Reader for PDFs
I have used LyX for a year or two, but I have recently started using it on my news Windows 8 machine. Windows 8 has a PDF Reader built in, which I prefer to the Adobe Reader. Is there a way of using LyX (2.0.6) with that reader? I did look at Tools > Preferences > File Formats, and then choosing File Format > PDF (pdflatex), and under Viewer choosing Custom. It was in that way that I got Adobe Reader working (and I only downloaded Adobe Reader so I could use it with LyX until I figured out how to use the Windows 8 Reader). It seems that this same technique could be used (Viewer > Custom) to use the Windows 8 Reader. However, I don't know the program name to enter here, or the path that I might need to enter in Preferences > Paths > Path Prefixes. It appears that these things are hidden away from the user in Windows 8. At least my online research didn't answers these questions. My technical knowledge is somewhat limited, but I would think a solution wouldn't be too complicated. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. ---Michael Maltenfort
Re: Citation and reference style
Am Friday, 23. August 2013, 20:41:37 schrieb Csikos Bela: > Wolfgang Engelmann írta: > > I haven't tried 2.1 beta yet. 2.0.6 should work in your case perfectly. > > >For clarification I include a small lyx file and bib file with which I > >tried out your authdate.bst file you had sent, but it did not work (?? > >instead of citations, no references, no error message. > > It works perfectly. In your sample lyx file you have loaded natbib > twice, probably that was the reason for fail. If you load natbib > through lyx GUI you must not load it again in your preamble. > > I modified your sample lyx file and I attach it here with the output > pdf. > > bcsikos Thanks again, Csikos. I do not quite understand document>bibliography there are only 3 citation styles: default (numerical) Natbib with style Author-year and numerical and Jurabib How would I modify Natbib with something else besides Author-year (eg round, comma)? In the preamble, and would this overwrite the bibliography setting? (eg with your \setcitestyle{comma,aysep={}}? Why is default only numerical? What if I want Kluwer style or something else? I can't leave everything unchecked in Bibliography, I have to check one. Wolfgang