Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[F M Salter]

In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the 
withdrawal of support for aspell.
Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now 
available which works with aspell 6!


It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of 
choice.  Is this the case?


I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost 
incapable of handling punctuation correctly!
This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no 
improvement is being considered!

Aspell is significantly better.

What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the 
apparent reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?


Regards
Frank Salter

and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German 
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document, 
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking 
to work.


I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german 
spbasic or whatever (which one?),

or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses 
changes?


Wolfgang

Fwd: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:and instead of und in german reference citation
Datum:  Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:20:49 +0100
Von:Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org


sorry, I had included a third possibility (biblatex) without mentioning 
that I am not sure I can manage to install biber (kubuntu). How 
difficult is it to install it? (Kubuntu)


PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.


Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang

Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[Liviu Andronic]

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter fmsal...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
 withdrawal of support for aspell.
 Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
 available which works with aspell 6!

 It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
 Is this the case?

 I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
 of handling punctuation correctly!
 This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
 improvement is being considered!
 Aspell is significantly better.

 What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
 reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?

At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped...

Regards,
Liviu

 Regards
 Frank Salter



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[Stephan Witt]

Am 15.11.2014 um 11:13 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter fmsal...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
 withdrawal of support for aspell.
 Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
 available which works with aspell 6!

What is Aspell 6 and aspell 7? I know of aspell 0.60.6.1 as latest release.

 It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
 Is this the case?
 
 I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
 of handling punctuation correctly!
 This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
 improvement is being considered!
 Aspell is significantly better.
 
 What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
 reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?
 
 At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
 library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
 on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped…

Cite from wiki:
Note: Beginning with 2.0 support for the aspell command line program has been 
dropped. Although the aspell library (aspell 0.60.x) is still supported, 
Windows binaries are compiled without this feature.

For Mac OS X aspell support is always included too.

Stephan

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Julien Rioux]

On 15/11/2014 4:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang




The file spbasic.bst is a plain text file which you can edit with a 
simple editor. You can locate it on the command line using


kpsewhich spbasic.bst

which will give you its path. Make a local copy of spbasic.bst in the 
same folder as your LyX file (I recommend also giving it a different 
name). Open the file and you will find


FUNCTION {bbl.and}
{ and}

followed by many more short functions for edited by, chap, etc. The 
part {bbl.and} defines the name of the function, and should be left as 
is. The part { and} is the return value of the function, which you 
want to change. Simply replace and to und and also translate any of 
the other functions as necessary. Use this translated copy in your LyX file.


Cheers,
Julien

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Thanks, Julien,
for your instruction. Will do so and save the file under spbasicMyGerman.bst
Wolfgang

Am 15.11.2014 um 14:08 schrieb Julien Rioux:

On 15/11/2014 4:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang




The file spbasic.bst is a plain text file which you can edit with a 
simple editor. You can locate it on the command line using


kpsewhich spbasic.bst

which will give you its path. Make a local copy of spbasic.bst in the 
same folder as your LyX file (I recommend also giving it a different 
name). Open the file and you will find


FUNCTION {bbl.and}
{ and}

followed by many more short functions for edited by, chap, etc. 
The part {bbl.and} defines the name of the function, and should be 
left as is. The part { and} is the return value of the function, 
which you want to change. Simply replace and to und and also 
translate any of the other functions as necessary. Use this translated 
copy in your LyX file.


Cheers,
Julien

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[stefano franchi]

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann 
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:




  Weitergeleitete Nachricht   Betreff: and instead of und
 in german reference citation  Datum: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:20:49 +0100  Von:
 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
 engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de  An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 sorry, I had included a third possibility (biblatex) without mentioning
 that I am not sure I can manage to install biber (kubuntu). How difficult
 is it to install it? (Kubuntu)


It depends on which TeX distribution you are using. With the true
TeXLive, biber is installed automatically. If, on the other hand, you are
using Kubuntu's Tex packages, the situation is more complicated. According
to this, one year old link [1], (K)Ubuntu is using old versions for both
biblatex and biber, and should be avoided by switching to a true texlive
installation instead.
I actually followed that strategy myself when still using Ubuntu, before I
eventually switched to a different Linux distribution altogether
(Archilinux) which has a much better support of TeXLive (among other
advantages).
Hopefully the situation has improved with more recent versions of Ubuntu.

The bottom line, though, is that the difficulties in installing
biber/biblatex on Linux are distribution dependent, and totally independent
of LyX.

The difficulties with using biblatex in LyX, however, are a real problem. I
just started working on it, but don't expect any results soon.



Cheers,

S.



-- 
__
Stefano Franchi

stefano.fran...@gmail.com stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[F M Salter]

On 15/11/14 10:32, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 15.11.2014 um 11:13 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter fmsal...@virginmedia.com wrote:

In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
withdrawal of support for aspell.
Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
available which works with aspell 6!

What is Aspell 6 and aspell 7? I know of aspell 0.60.6.1 as latest release.

I elided the version numbers.
URL:  ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/0index.html
shows the dictionary file, aspell6-en-7.1-0.tar.bz2 
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/en/aspell6-en-7.1-0.tar.bz2

It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
Is this the case?
I asked this question as there is little in the documentation about 
spell checking.
I attempted to use hunspell in lyx and found for my work that the 
suggested corrections were few
and frequently strange with what would appear to be obvious 
suggestions missing.




I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
of handling punctuation correctly!
This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
improvement is being considered!
Aspell is significantly better.

What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?

The wiki page quoted below makes specific reference to windows



At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped…
While this comment is reassuring, the completely dropped seems to 
imply a preference for hunspell,

which is significantly inferior to aspell for my use with English English!

Cite from wiki:
Note: Beginning with 2.0 support for the aspell command line program has been 
dropped. Although the aspell library (aspell 0.60.x) is still supported, Windows binaries 
are compiled without this feature.

For Mac OS X aspell support is always included too.

Stephan
This is partly what triggered my questions.  I could not find any 
reference in the documentation
to the significance of the withdrawal of the command line support, 
mentioned above and whether
this had any longer term implications.  The general tenor of the text 
appeared to favour the use of hunspell.


If I now understand the situation correctly,  aspell will continue to be 
available indefinitely


Many thanks
Frank Salter

Re: Could not remove temporary directory...

[kevinea]

I have the same issue. Lyx 2.1, Windows 8.1, Adobe Reader.



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Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:48 PM, F M Salter fmsal...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 On 15/11/14 10:32, Stephan Witt wrote:

 Am 15.11.2014 um 11:13 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter fmsal...@virginmedia.com
 wrote:

 In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
 withdrawal of support for aspell.
 Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
 available which works with aspell 6!

 What is Aspell 6 and aspell 7? I know of aspell 0.60.6.1 as latest release.

 I elided the version numbers.
 URL:  ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/0index.html
 shows the dictionary file,  aspell6-en-7.1-0.tar.bz2

 It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
 Is this the case?

 I asked this question as there is little in the documentation about spell
 checking.
 I attempted to use hunspell in lyx and found for my work that the suggested
 corrections were few
 and frequently strange with what would appear to be obvious suggestions
 missing.


 I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
 of handling punctuation correctly!
 This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
 improvement is being considered!
 Aspell is significantly better.

 What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
 reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?

 The wiki page quoted below makes specific reference to windows

 At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
 library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
 on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped…

 While this comment is reassuring, the completely dropped seems to imply a
 preference for hunspell,
 which is significantly inferior to aspell for my use with English English!

 Cite from wiki:
 Note: Beginning with 2.0 support for the aspell command line program has
 been dropped. Although the aspell library (aspell 0.60.x) is still
 supported, Windows binaries are compiled without this feature.

 For Mac OS X aspell support is always included too.

 Stephan

 This is partly what triggered my questions.  I could not find any reference
 in the documentation
 to the significance of the withdrawal of the command line support, mentioned
 above and whether
 this had any longer term implications.  The general tenor of the text
 appeared to favour the use of hunspell.

 If I now understand the situation correctly,  aspell will continue to be
 available indefinitely

From memory, aspell CLI support was dropped about 2 major releases
back (about 4-5 years ago). Since then no discussions took place on
dropping aspell library support, so I assume that this is not on the
agenda.

Regards,
Liviu


 Many thanks
 Frank Salter




-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[F M Salter]

In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the 
withdrawal of support for aspell.
Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now 
available which works with aspell 6!


It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of 
choice.  Is this the case?


I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost 
incapable of handling punctuation correctly!
This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no 
improvement is being considered!

Aspell is significantly better.

What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the 
apparent reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?


Regards
Frank Salter

and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German 
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document, 
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking 
to work.


I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german 
spbasic or whatever (which one?),

or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses 
changes?


Wolfgang

Fwd: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:and instead of und in german reference citation
Datum:  Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:20:49 +0100
Von:Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org


sorry, I had included a third possibility (biblatex) without mentioning 
that I am not sure I can manage to install biber (kubuntu). How 
difficult is it to install it? (Kubuntu)


PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.


Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang

Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[Liviu Andronic]

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter fmsal...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
 withdrawal of support for aspell.
 Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
 available which works with aspell 6!

 It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
 Is this the case?

 I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
 of handling punctuation correctly!
 This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
 improvement is being considered!
 Aspell is significantly better.

 What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
 reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?

At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped...

Regards,
Liviu

 Regards
 Frank Salter



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[Stephan Witt]

Am 15.11.2014 um 11:13 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter fmsal...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
 withdrawal of support for aspell.
 Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
 available which works with aspell 6!

What is Aspell 6 and aspell 7? I know of aspell 0.60.6.1 as latest release.

 It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
 Is this the case?
 
 I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
 of handling punctuation correctly!
 This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
 improvement is being considered!
 Aspell is significantly better.
 
 What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
 reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?
 
 At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
 library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
 on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped…

Cite from wiki:
Note: Beginning with 2.0 support for the aspell command line program has been 
dropped. Although the aspell library (aspell 0.60.x) is still supported, 
Windows binaries are compiled without this feature.

For Mac OS X aspell support is always included too.

Stephan

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Julien Rioux]

On 15/11/2014 4:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang




The file spbasic.bst is a plain text file which you can edit with a 
simple editor. You can locate it on the command line using


kpsewhich spbasic.bst

which will give you its path. Make a local copy of spbasic.bst in the 
same folder as your LyX file (I recommend also giving it a different 
name). Open the file and you will find


FUNCTION {bbl.and}
{ and}

followed by many more short functions for edited by, chap, etc. The 
part {bbl.and} defines the name of the function, and should be left as 
is. The part { and} is the return value of the function, which you 
want to change. Simply replace and to und and also translate any of 
the other functions as necessary. Use this translated copy in your LyX file.


Cheers,
Julien

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Thanks, Julien,
for your instruction. Will do so and save the file under spbasicMyGerman.bst
Wolfgang

Am 15.11.2014 um 14:08 schrieb Julien Rioux:

On 15/11/2014 4:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang




The file spbasic.bst is a plain text file which you can edit with a 
simple editor. You can locate it on the command line using


kpsewhich spbasic.bst

which will give you its path. Make a local copy of spbasic.bst in the 
same folder as your LyX file (I recommend also giving it a different 
name). Open the file and you will find


FUNCTION {bbl.and}
{ and}

followed by many more short functions for edited by, chap, etc. 
The part {bbl.and} defines the name of the function, and should be 
left as is. The part { and} is the return value of the function, 
which you want to change. Simply replace and to und and also 
translate any of the other functions as necessary. Use this translated 
copy in your LyX file.


Cheers,
Julien

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[stefano franchi]

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann 
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:




  Weitergeleitete Nachricht   Betreff: and instead of und
 in german reference citation  Datum: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:20:49 +0100  Von:
 Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
 engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de  An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 sorry, I had included a third possibility (biblatex) without mentioning
 that I am not sure I can manage to install biber (kubuntu). How difficult
 is it to install it? (Kubuntu)


It depends on which TeX distribution you are using. With the true
TeXLive, biber is installed automatically. If, on the other hand, you are
using Kubuntu's Tex packages, the situation is more complicated. According
to this, one year old link [1], (K)Ubuntu is using old versions for both
biblatex and biber, and should be avoided by switching to a true texlive
installation instead.
I actually followed that strategy myself when still using Ubuntu, before I
eventually switched to a different Linux distribution altogether
(Archilinux) which has a much better support of TeXLive (among other
advantages).
Hopefully the situation has improved with more recent versions of Ubuntu.

The bottom line, though, is that the difficulties in installing
biber/biblatex on Linux are distribution dependent, and totally independent
of LyX.

The difficulties with using biblatex in LyX, however, are a real problem. I
just started working on it, but don't expect any results soon.



Cheers,

S.



-- 
__
Stefano Franchi

stefano.fran...@gmail.com stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[F M Salter]

On 15/11/14 10:32, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 15.11.2014 um 11:13 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter fmsal...@virginmedia.com wrote:

In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
withdrawal of support for aspell.
Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
available which works with aspell 6!

What is Aspell 6 and aspell 7? I know of aspell 0.60.6.1 as latest release.

I elided the version numbers.
URL:  ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/0index.html
shows the dictionary file, aspell6-en-7.1-0.tar.bz2 
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/en/aspell6-en-7.1-0.tar.bz2

It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
Is this the case?
I asked this question as there is little in the documentation about 
spell checking.
I attempted to use hunspell in lyx and found for my work that the 
suggested corrections were few
and frequently strange with what would appear to be obvious 
suggestions missing.




I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
of handling punctuation correctly!
This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
improvement is being considered!
Aspell is significantly better.

What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?

The wiki page quoted below makes specific reference to windows



At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped…
While this comment is reassuring, the completely dropped seems to 
imply a preference for hunspell,

which is significantly inferior to aspell for my use with English English!

Cite from wiki:
Note: Beginning with 2.0 support for the aspell command line program has been 
dropped. Although the aspell library (aspell 0.60.x) is still supported, Windows binaries 
are compiled without this feature.

For Mac OS X aspell support is always included too.

Stephan
This is partly what triggered my questions.  I could not find any 
reference in the documentation
to the significance of the withdrawal of the command line support, 
mentioned above and whether
this had any longer term implications.  The general tenor of the text 
appeared to favour the use of hunspell.


If I now understand the situation correctly,  aspell will continue to be 
available indefinitely


Many thanks
Frank Salter

Re: Could not remove temporary directory...

[kevinea]

I have the same issue. Lyx 2.1, Windows 8.1, Adobe Reader.



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Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:48 PM, F M Salter fmsal...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 On 15/11/14 10:32, Stephan Witt wrote:

 Am 15.11.2014 um 11:13 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter fmsal...@virginmedia.com
 wrote:

 In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
 withdrawal of support for aspell.
 Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
 available which works with aspell 6!

 What is Aspell 6 and aspell 7? I know of aspell 0.60.6.1 as latest release.

 I elided the version numbers.
 URL:  ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/0index.html
 shows the dictionary file,  aspell6-en-7.1-0.tar.bz2

 It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
 Is this the case?

 I asked this question as there is little in the documentation about spell
 checking.
 I attempted to use hunspell in lyx and found for my work that the suggested
 corrections were few
 and frequently strange with what would appear to be obvious suggestions
 missing.


 I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
 of handling punctuation correctly!
 This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
 improvement is being considered!
 Aspell is significantly better.

 What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
 reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?

 The wiki page quoted below makes specific reference to windows

 At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
 library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
 on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped…

 While this comment is reassuring, the completely dropped seems to imply a
 preference for hunspell,
 which is significantly inferior to aspell for my use with English English!

 Cite from wiki:
 Note: Beginning with 2.0 support for the aspell command line program has
 been dropped. Although the aspell library (aspell 0.60.x) is still
 supported, Windows binaries are compiled without this feature.

 For Mac OS X aspell support is always included too.

 Stephan

 This is partly what triggered my questions.  I could not find any reference
 in the documentation
 to the significance of the withdrawal of the command line support, mentioned
 above and whether
 this had any longer term implications.  The general tenor of the text
 appeared to favour the use of hunspell.

 If I now understand the situation correctly,  aspell will continue to be
 available indefinitely

From memory, aspell CLI support was dropped about 2 major releases
back (about 4-5 years ago). Since then no discussions took place on
dropping aspell library support, so I assume that this is not on the
agenda.

Regards,
Liviu


 Many thanks
 Frank Salter




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Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[F M Salter]

In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the 
withdrawal of support for aspell.
Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now 
available which works with aspell 6!


It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of 
choice.  Is this the case?


I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost 
incapable of handling punctuation correctly!
This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no 
improvement is being considered!

Aspell is significantly better.

What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the 
apparent reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?


Regards
Frank Salter

and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German 
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document, 
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking 
to work.


I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german 
spbasic or whatever (which one?),

or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses 
changes?


Wolfgang

Fwd: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:and instead of und in german reference citation
Datum:  Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:20:49 +0100
Von:Wolfgang Engelmann 
An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org


sorry, I had included a third possibility (biblatex) without mentioning 
that I am not sure I can manage to install biber (kubuntu). How 
difficult is it to install it? (Kubuntu)


PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.


Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang

Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[Liviu Andronic]

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter  wrote:
> In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
> withdrawal of support for aspell.
> Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
> available which works with aspell 6!
>
> It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
> Is this the case?
>
> I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
> of handling punctuation correctly!
> This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
> improvement is being considered!
> Aspell is significantly better.
>
> What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
> reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?
>
At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped...

Regards,
Liviu

> Regards
> Frank Salter



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[Stephan Witt]

Am 15.11.2014 um 11:13 schrieb Liviu Andronic :

> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter  wrote:
>> In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
>> withdrawal of support for aspell.
>> Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
>> available which works with aspell 6!

What is Aspell 6 and aspell 7? I know of aspell 0.60.6.1 as latest release.

>> It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
>> Is this the case?
>> 
>> I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
>> of handling punctuation correctly!
>> This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
>> improvement is being considered!
>> Aspell is significantly better.
>> 
>> What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
>> reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?
>> 
> At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
> library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
> on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped…

Cite from wiki:
"Note: Beginning with 2.0 support for the aspell command line program has been 
dropped. Although the aspell library (aspell 0.60.x) is still supported, 
Windows binaries are compiled without this feature."

For Mac OS X aspell support is always included too.

Stephan

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Julien Rioux]

On 15/11/2014 4:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang




The file spbasic.bst is a plain text file which you can edit with a 
simple editor. You can locate it on the command line using


kpsewhich spbasic.bst

which will give you its path. Make a local copy of spbasic.bst in the 
same folder as your LyX file (I recommend also giving it a different 
name). Open the file and you will find


FUNCTION {bbl.and}
{ "and"}

followed by many more short functions for "edited by", "chap", etc. The 
part {bbl.and} defines the name of the function, and should be left as 
is. The part { "and"} is the return value of the function, which you 
want to change. Simply replace "and" to "und" and also translate any of 
the other functions as necessary. Use this translated copy in your LyX file.


Cheers,
Julien

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Thanks, Julien,
for your instruction. Will do so and save the file under spbasicMyGerman.bst
Wolfgang

Am 15.11.2014 um 14:08 schrieb Julien Rioux:

On 15/11/2014 4:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang




The file spbasic.bst is a plain text file which you can edit with a 
simple editor. You can locate it on the command line using


kpsewhich spbasic.bst

which will give you its path. Make a local copy of spbasic.bst in the 
same folder as your LyX file (I recommend also giving it a different 
name). Open the file and you will find


FUNCTION {bbl.and}
{ "and"}

followed by many more short functions for "edited by", "chap", etc. 
The part {bbl.and} defines the name of the function, and should be 
left as is. The part { "and"} is the return value of the function, 
which you want to change. Simply replace "and" to "und" and also 
translate any of the other functions as necessary. Use this translated 
copy in your LyX file.


Cheers,
Julien

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[stefano franchi]

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann <
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:

>
>
>
>  Weitergeleitete Nachricht   Betreff: and instead of und
> in german reference citation  Datum: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:20:49 +0100  Von:
> Wolfgang Engelmann 
>   An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> sorry, I had included a third possibility (biblatex) without mentioning
> that I am not sure I can manage to install biber (kubuntu). How difficult
> is it to install it? (Kubuntu)
>
>
It depends on which TeX distribution you are using. With the "true"
TeXLive, biber is installed automatically. If, on the other hand, you are
using Kubuntu's Tex packages, the situation is more complicated. According
to this, one year old link [1], (K)Ubuntu is using old versions for both
biblatex and biber, and should be avoided by switching to a true texlive
installation instead.
I actually followed that strategy myself when still using Ubuntu, before I
eventually switched to a different Linux distribution altogether
(Archilinux) which has a much better support of TeXLive (among other
advantages).
Hopefully the situation has improved with more recent versions of Ubuntu.

The bottom line, though, is that the difficulties in installing
biber/biblatex on Linux are distribution dependent, and totally independent
of LyX.

The difficulties with using biblatex in LyX, however, are a real problem. I
just started working on it, but don't expect any results soon.



Cheers,

S.



-- 
__
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stefano.fran...@gmail.com 
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[F M Salter]

On 15/11/14 10:32, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 15.11.2014 um 11:13 schrieb Liviu Andronic :


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter  wrote:

In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
withdrawal of support for aspell.
Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
available which works with aspell 6!

What is Aspell 6 and aspell 7? I know of aspell 0.60.6.1 as latest release.

I elided the version numbers.
URL:  ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/0index.html
shows the dictionary file, aspell6-en-7.1-0.tar.bz2 


It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
Is this the case?
I asked this question as there is little in the documentation about 
spell checking.
I attempted to use hunspell in lyx and found for my work that the 
suggested corrections were few
and frequently "strange" with what would appear to be obvious 
suggestions missing.




I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
of handling punctuation correctly!
This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
improvement is being considered!
Aspell is significantly better.

What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?

The wiki page quoted below makes specific reference to windows



At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped…
While this comment is reassuring, the "completely dropped" seems to 
imply a preference for hunspell,

which is significantly inferior to aspell for my use with English English!

Cite from wiki:
"Note: Beginning with 2.0 support for the aspell command line program has been 
dropped. Although the aspell library (aspell 0.60.x) is still supported, Windows binaries 
are compiled without this feature."

For Mac OS X aspell support is always included too.

Stephan
This is partly what triggered my questions.  I could not find any 
reference in the documentation
to the significance of the withdrawal of the command line support, 
mentioned above and whether
this had any longer term implications.  The general tenor of the text 
appeared to favour the use of hunspell.


If I now understand the situation correctly,  aspell will continue to be 
available indefinitely


Many thanks
Frank Salter

Re: "Could not remove temporary directory..."

[kevinea]

I have the same issue. Lyx 2.1, Windows 8.1, Adobe Reader.



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Re: Support for aspell --- LyX 2.0 onwards

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:48 PM, F M Salter  wrote:
> On 15/11/14 10:32, Stephan Witt wrote:
>
> Am 15.11.2014 um 11:13 schrieb Liviu Andronic :
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM, F M Salter 
> wrote:
>
> In the wiki new restrictions are indicated which seem to imply the
> withdrawal of support for aspell.
> Aspell dictionary version 6 is discussed.  However version 7 is now
> available which works with aspell 6!
>
> What is Aspell 6 and aspell 7? I know of aspell 0.60.6.1 as latest release.
>
> I elided the version numbers.
> URL:  ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/0index.html
> shows the dictionary file,  aspell6-en-7.1-0.tar.bz2
>
> It appears that hunspell is being presented as the spell checker of choice.
> Is this the case?
>
> I asked this question as there is little in the documentation about spell
> checking.
> I attempted to use hunspell in lyx and found for my work that the suggested
> corrections were few
> and frequently "strange" with what would appear to be obvious suggestions
> missing.
>
>
> I find that for spell checking english (gb),  hunspell is almost incapable
> of handling punctuation correctly!
> This has been a problem for many years and it seems to be that no
> improvement is being considered!
> Aspell is significantly better.
>
> What future changes if any are being planned for linux users as the apparent
> reason seems to relate to Windows inadequacies?
>
> The wiki page quoted below makes specific reference to windows
>
> At least on Linux LyX 2.1.x can be built with support for Aspell (the
> library), and this seems to work fine. And I haven't heard any noises
> on the list wrt Aspell being completely dropped…
>
> While this comment is reassuring, the "completely dropped" seems to imply a
> preference for hunspell,
> which is significantly inferior to aspell for my use with English English!
>
> Cite from wiki:
> "Note: Beginning with 2.0 support for the aspell command line program has
> been dropped. Although the aspell library (aspell 0.60.x) is still
> supported, Windows binaries are compiled without this feature."
>
> For Mac OS X aspell support is always included too.
>
> Stephan
>
> This is partly what triggered my questions.  I could not find any reference
> in the documentation
> to the significance of the withdrawal of the command line support, mentioned
> above and whether
> this had any longer term implications.  The general tenor of the text
> appeared to favour the use of hunspell.
>
> If I now understand the situation correctly,  aspell will continue to be
> available indefinitely
>
>From memory, aspell CLI support was dropped about 2 major releases
back (about 4-5 years ago). Since then no discussions took place on
dropping aspell library support, so I assume that this is not on the
agenda.

Regards,
Liviu


> Many thanks
> Frank Salter
>



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library