Re: Advanced text editing commands
On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 03:56:38PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 05/05/2023 à 13:29, José Matos a écrit : > > On Wed, 2023-05-03 at 14:49 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > > Because of my jealousy I will make a trite joke: instead of using > > > Emacs bindings in LyX, why not just implement all of LyX inside of > > > Emacs? > > > > > > Scott > > > > Because we, at least I, prefer C++ and Python over lisp. :-D > > Implement python in lisp. Thank you for humoring me, José and JMarc :) Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
Le 05/05/2023 à 13:29, José Matos a écrit : On Wed, 2023-05-03 at 14:49 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: Because of my jealousy I will make a trite joke: instead of using Emacs bindings in LyX, why not just implement all of LyX inside of Emacs? Scott Because we, at least I, prefer C++ and Python over lisp. :-D Implement python in lisp. JMarc -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
On Wed, 2023-05-03 at 14:49 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > Because of my jealousy I will make a trite joke: instead of using > Emacs bindings in LyX, why not just implement all of LyX inside of > Emacs? > > Scott Because we, at least I, prefer C++ and Python over lisp. :-D -- José Abílio -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 08:16:06PM -0500, Christopher Menzel wrote: > On Apr 30, 2023, at 1:20 PM, John Beattie wrote: > > On 2023-04-27 12:41 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > > >> Out of curiosity, do the emacs users on this list actually use emacs.bind? > > > > Yes. Linux Mint 20.1, also on Windows 10. > > Absolutely, under both MacOS Ventura and Kali Linux 2023.1 (both running Lyx > 2.3 7). I do add a number of tweaks of my own, but the default is pretty good. I can see that a lot of people are using the emacs.bind file. That's great! It must work smoothly since (1) from these responses I can tell there are a lot of users and (2) I don't see many bugs about it. I'm jealous since I don't think we will get Vim-functionality anytime. Because of my jealousy I will make a trite joke: instead of using Emacs bindings in LyX, why not just implement all of LyX inside of Emacs? Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
On Apr 30, 2023, at 1:20 PM, John Beattie wrote: > On 2023-04-27 12:41 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > >> Out of curiosity, do the emacs users on this list actually use emacs.bind? > > Yes. Linux Mint 20.1, also on Windows 10. Absolutely, under both MacOS Ventura and Kali Linux 2023.1 (both running Lyx 2.3 7). I do add a number of tweaks of my own, but the default is pretty good. Chris Menzel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
On 2023-04-27 12:41 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > Out of curiosity, do the emacs users on this list actually use emacs.bind? Yes. Linux Mint 20.1, also on Windows 10. -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
On Thu, 2023-04-27 at 20:07 +0200, Kornel Benko wrote: > I am using it. > > Kornel I have evaluate them and I have been using xemacs bindings for as long as I remember. :-) -- José Abílio -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:57:30AM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> I love using 'g;' in Vim. I think the first 'g;' in LyX can be down with
> "Navigate back" ('Ctrl + shift + <' or something like that) but I would love
> to go through the entire change list as quickly as with 'g;'.
Navigate back was implemented so it reminds `` in vim. It does not work well
though and I was thinking several times to transform it to vim's g; indeed,
just never got enough time :)
Pavel
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Re: Advanced text editing commands
Although it requires some care : the positions are relative to the point where the cursor was at the time of editing. I am not 100% sure of how to do i5, actually. JMarc Le 28 avril 2023 11:49:59 GMT+02:00, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : >We have the locations in the undo stack. -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
Le 28/04/2023 à 00:15, Richard Kimberly Heck a écrit : This actually does not sound hard. We would just need (a) to save these locations and (b) to make it possible to iterate through the list via some LFUNs. We have the locations in the undo stack. JMarc -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
On 4/27/23 14:54, R. H. van der Gaag wrote: I would like to be able to select, change, and delete around a word and a sentence, like I can in Vim. Can you explain in more detail how that works? And to do a ‘light speed’ jump to any part of the visible text by typing some shortcut and then typing the first two letters of the word I want to jump to; in Vim, and in Obsidian (using a plugin) the matches are then marked with a letter, and hitting that letter takes me there. Something like this could be possible. A first step would be to have a 'mark all matches' sort of functionality for find. Then we'd need the ability to restrict a find to the start of a word. (You could do that with the 'advanced' find feature, which permits regular expressions, too.) Then one could add the matches to the outliner and figure out some way to make the 'hitting a letter' thing work. It's doable, but would take work. Perhaps you could file an enhancement request? On top of that, going back and forward through the locations where my cursor has been placed, This actually does not sound hard. We would just need (a) to save these locations and (b) to make it possible to iterate through the list via some LFUNs. and like you say, persistent undo would be wonderful. I've initiated some discussion of a related bug. If we could fix that one, then probably it would not be hard to save the undo stack. Riki -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
On 4/27/23 12:41, Scott Kostyshak wrote: Out of curiosity, do the emacs users on this list actually use emacs.bind? I think Andre did, and maybe one of the other developers does? Enrico? Riki -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
> On 27 Apr 2023, at 16:57, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:01:59AM -0400, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
>> On 4/27/23 03:13, R. H. van der Gaag wrote:
>>> Having come from Vim and Obsidian, I find I miss a number of ‘advanced’
>>> text editing commands, like jumping to a particular place in the text with
>>> just a few keystrokes,
>> Such as?
>>> or selecting a sentence.
>>
>> I don't know how easy this would be to do in a multi-lingual way.
>
> R. H., to answer your question directly, yes I miss them :). I am used to
> Vim, and I often wish I could use Vim-like features in LyX. e.g., I love
> using 'g;' in Vim. I think the first 'g;' in LyX can be down with "Navigate
> back" ('Ctrl + shift + <' or something like that) but I would love to go
> through the entire change list as quickly as with 'g;'.
>
> Also, I've requested persistent undo (https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/12578),
> which I've gotten used to in Vim.
>
> I imagine Emacs users have similar desires to use Emacs features in LyX.
>
> That said, without considerable work, I don't see it happening in LyX anytime
> soon.
>
> Scott
It’s nice to know I’m not the only one! I guess the number of editing tricks I
miss isn’t even that large. I would like to be able to select, change, and
delete around a word and a sentence, like I can in Vim. And to do a ‘light
speed’ jump to any part of the visible text by typing some shortcut and then
typing the first two letters of the word I want to jump to; in Vim, and in
Obsidian (using a plugin) the matches are then marked with a letter, and
hitting that letter takes me there. On top of that, going back and forward
through the locations where my cursor has been placed, and like you say,
persistent undo would be wonderful.
I have no idea how to do this in LFUN, and no time, frankly, to figure out if
that is even possible.
I now find myself reverting to Obsidian or Vim to write longer copy, which is
less than ideal.
RH
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Re: Advanced text editing commands
Am Thu, 27 Apr 2023 12:41:47 -0400 schrieb Scott Kostyshak : > On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 11:27:45AM -0400, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > > On 4/27/23 10:57, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > > I imagine Emacs users have similar desires to use Emacs features in LyX. > > > > In the case of Emacs, there is the file emacs.bind, which implements some of > > the Emacs key bindings. The problem with vi is the modes, which would take > > work to implement. But you could certainly implement some kind of 'trigger' > > keystroke (something you don't use much, say the pipe), and then implement > > some vi key bindings as key sequences. I.e., in effect the pipe would > > 'switch modes' momentarily. This would not work well for character-type > > navigation, but for other commands it might work. > > > > It may be that the things some key bindings do is not yet implemented. But > > you can do a lot with sequences of LyX commands (via the command-sequence > > LFUN). > > Ah that makes sense. I didn't realize that key difference which I can see > makes it more > difficult to have Vim-like functionality in LyX. > > Out of curiosity, do the emacs users on this list actually use emacs.bind? > > Scott I am using it. Kornel pgpX9Wy4PAeWN.pgp Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 11:27:45AM -0400, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > On 4/27/23 10:57, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > I imagine Emacs users have similar desires to use Emacs features in LyX. > > In the case of Emacs, there is the file emacs.bind, which implements some of > the Emacs key bindings. The problem with vi is the modes, which would take > work to implement. But you could certainly implement some kind of 'trigger' > keystroke (something you don't use much, say the pipe), and then implement > some vi key bindings as key sequences. I.e., in effect the pipe would > 'switch modes' momentarily. This would not work well for character-type > navigation, but for other commands it might work. > > It may be that the things some key bindings do is not yet implemented. But > you can do a lot with sequences of LyX commands (via the command-sequence > LFUN). Ah that makes sense. I didn't realize that key difference which I can see makes it more difficult to have Vim-like functionality in LyX. Out of curiosity, do the emacs users on this list actually use emacs.bind? Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
On 4/27/23 10:57, Scott Kostyshak wrote: I imagine Emacs users have similar desires to use Emacs features in LyX. In the case of Emacs, there is the file emacs.bind, which implements some of the Emacs key bindings. The problem with vi is the modes, which would take work to implement. But you could certainly implement some kind of 'trigger' keystroke (something you don't use much, say the pipe), and then implement some vi key bindings as key sequences. I.e., in effect the pipe would 'switch modes' momentarily. This would not work well for character-type navigation, but for other commands it might work. It may be that the things some key bindings do is not yet implemented. But you can do a lot with sequences of LyX commands (via the command-sequence LFUN). Riki -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Advanced text editing commands
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:01:59AM -0400, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> On 4/27/23 03:13, R. H. van der Gaag wrote:
> > Having come from Vim and Obsidian, I find I miss a number of ‘advanced’
> > text editing commands, like jumping to a particular place in the text with
> > just a few keystrokes,
> Such as?
> > or selecting a sentence.
>
> I don't know how easy this would be to do in a multi-lingual way.
R. H., to answer your question directly, yes I miss them :). I am used to Vim,
and I often wish I could use Vim-like features in LyX. e.g., I love using 'g;'
in Vim. I think the first 'g;' in LyX can be down with "Navigate back" ('Ctrl +
shift + <' or something like that) but I would love to go through the entire
change list as quickly as with 'g;'.
Also, I've requested persistent undo (https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/12578),
which I've gotten used to in Vim.
I imagine Emacs users have similar desires to use Emacs features in LyX.
That said, without considerable work, I don't see it happening in LyX anytime
soon.
Scott
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Re: Advanced text editing commands
On 4/27/23 03:13, R. H. van der Gaag wrote: Having come from Vim and Obsidian, I find I miss a number of ‘advanced’ text editing commands, like jumping to a particular place in the text with just a few keystrokes, Such as? or selecting a sentence. I don't know how easy this would be to do in a multi-lingual way. Riki -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Advanced text editing commands
Having come from Vim and Obsidian, I find I miss a number of ‘advanced’ text editing commands, like jumping to a particular place in the text with just a few keystrokes, or selecting a sentence. Am I the only one who would be happy to have such commands in LyX? Kind regards, RH -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
