Re: How would LyX perform?
Herbert Voss via lyx-users said on Fri, 31 Dec 2021 11:36:44 +0100 >Am 31.12.21 um 01:41 schrieb Steve Litt via lyx-users: >> Herbert Voss via lyx-users said on Thu, 30 Dec 2021 14:52:15 +0100 >> >>> Am 30.12.21 um 14:46 schrieb Steve Litt via lyx-users: Wolfgang Engelmann via lyx-users said on Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:31:55 +0100 > This has shocked me > https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0115069 > > Would be interesting to see how LyX performs Plain TeX would be much better than LaTeX, as a native format, if it could handle fonts well. Does anyone know of a Plain TeX to LuaTeX or XeTeX converter? >>> What do you want to convert?? Every Plain TeX document runs with >>> LuaTeX or XeTeX, >>> but, of course, not vice versa! >> My thought is that I need to convert because I need to use the >> tex-gyre-schola font, and as far as I know, Plain TeX won't >> accommodate this font. So, as I understand it, my process would need >> to be: >> >> 1: Write in Plain TeX with whatever font is available >> >> 2: Convert Plain TeX to LuaTeX > > >You only have to load the font, tha's all ... > >\input luaotfload.sty >\font\rm="[texgyreschola-regular.otf]:+lnum;+dlig" >\font\bf="TeXGyre Schola/B:+lnum;+dlig" >\font\it="TeXGyre Schola/I:+lnum;+dlig" >\font\bfit="TeXGyre Schola/BI:+lnum;+dlig" at 15pt > >\rm >TeX Gyre Schola regular > >\bf TeX Gyre Schola bold > >\it TeX Gyre Schola italic > >\bfit TeX Gyre Schola bolditalic >\bye > > >Herbert Thanks Herbert! This opens a whole new world for me. I'll experiment with it next year. Happy New Years all! SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: How would LyX perform?
Am 31.12.21 um 01:41 schrieb Steve Litt via lyx-users: Herbert Voss via lyx-users said on Thu, 30 Dec 2021 14:52:15 +0100 Am 30.12.21 um 14:46 schrieb Steve Litt via lyx-users: Wolfgang Engelmann via lyx-users said on Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:31:55 +0100 This has shocked me https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0115069 Would be interesting to see how LyX performs Plain TeX would be much better than LaTeX, as a native format, if it could handle fonts well. Does anyone know of a Plain TeX to LuaTeX or XeTeX converter? What do you want to convert?? Every Plain TeX document runs with LuaTeX or XeTeX, but, of course, not vice versa! My thought is that I need to convert because I need to use the tex-gyre-schola font, and as far as I know, Plain TeX won't accommodate this font. So, as I understand it, my process would need to be: 1: Write in Plain TeX with whatever font is available 2: Convert Plain TeX to LuaTeX You only have to load the font, tha's all ... \input luaotfload.sty \font\rm="[texgyreschola-regular.otf]:+lnum;+dlig" \font\bf="TeXGyre Schola/B:+lnum;+dlig" \font\it="TeXGyre Schola/I:+lnum;+dlig" \font\bfit="TeXGyre Schola/BI:+lnum;+dlig" at 15pt \rm TeX Gyre Schola regular \bf TeX Gyre Schola bold \it TeX Gyre Schola italic \bfit TeX Gyre Schola bolditalic \bye Herbert 3: Use AWK to replace the font with tex-gyre-schola 4: Compile to PDF The reason I need this is I could *easily* convert from (X)HTML5 to Plain TeX. If I can go the rest of the way I can make a nice PDF from XHTML5. But I have neither the programming skills nor the LaTeX knowledge to create LaTeX from XHTML5. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: How would LyX perform?
Herbert Voss via lyx-users said on Thu, 30 Dec 2021 14:52:15 +0100 >Am 30.12.21 um 14:46 schrieb Steve Litt via lyx-users: >> Wolfgang Engelmann via lyx-users said on Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:31:55 >> +0100 >>> This has shocked me >>> https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0115069 >>> >>> Would be interesting to see how LyX performs >> >> Plain TeX would be much better than LaTeX, as a native format, if it >> could handle fonts well. Does anyone know of a Plain TeX to LuaTeX or >> XeTeX converter? > >What do you want to convert?? Every Plain TeX document runs with >LuaTeX or XeTeX, >but, of course, not vice versa! My thought is that I need to convert because I need to use the tex-gyre-schola font, and as far as I know, Plain TeX won't accommodate this font. So, as I understand it, my process would need to be: 1: Write in Plain TeX with whatever font is available 2: Convert Plain TeX to LuaTeX 3: Use AWK to replace the font with tex-gyre-schola 4: Compile to PDF The reason I need this is I could *easily* convert from (X)HTML5 to Plain TeX. If I can go the rest of the way I can make a nice PDF from XHTML5. But I have neither the programming skills nor the LaTeX knowledge to create LaTeX from XHTML5. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: How would LyX perform?
On 12/30/2021 8:46 AM, Steve Litt via lyx-users wrote:
Wolfgang Engelmann via lyx-users said on Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:31:55 +0100
This has shocked me
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0115069
Would be interesting to see how LyX performs
My first two books were written in WordPerfect 5.1. The next one was
written in MS Word. All the rest were written in LyX. I was happy with
all of them.
My worst nightmare would be authoring in raw LaTeX. By the time I
remembered the necessary LaTeX tag, I would have forgotten the point I
was trying to make in my writing.
LaTeX is a *lousy* native format for a document. It's suitable only for
fixed line PDF/paper. It's extremely difficult to convert to flowing
text HTML or ePub, unless you want to (urk) use Pandoc, with all the
implied compromises on appearance. In my opinion LaTeX should be only
an intermediate component in the authoring stack, that component being
for creating fixed-line PDF/paper.
Plain TeX would be much better than LaTeX, as a native format, if it
could handle fonts well. Does anyone know of a Plain TeX to LuaTeX or
XeTeX converter?
I'm working on an authoring tool whose native format is a Markdown
superset, with complete support of arbitrary styles. It's pretty easy
to go from that format to HTML or ePub, but to go from there to
fixed-line PDF/paper without using (urk) Pandoc is a challenge. But not
nearly as big of a challenge as going from LaTeX to semantic HTML.
Getting back to LyX, one of my books, "Key to Everyday Excellence",
could not have been written in WordPerfect or MSWord because the
(fictional) plot is so date driven that the current plot date appears
in the header. And although I used styles-based authoring in
WordPerfect and MSWord, I like that LyX enforces styles-based
authoring. LyX is quite a fast authoring environment --- the only way
it could be faster is to get rid of mouse usage.
In my opinion, for a document over 10K words, LyX beats the authoring
speed and ease of MSWord.
This discussion wouldn't be complete without including LibreOffice.
LibreOffice is a style-losing piece of junk fit only for
fingerpainting. Those who characterize LibreOffice as a substitute for
MSWord either don't use styles-based authoring, or they're fooling
themselves, or they know something I don't know.
By the way, my new book, "Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition", just
came out yesterday. It's made almost exclusively with LyX, Inkscape,
and shellscripts. A big thank you goes out to the LyX team who made
this possible.
SteveT
Steve,
I always enjoy reading about your experiences with various document
production systems, in part because I can relate to so much of it. While
I haven't written books, in my former profession as a trial and
appellate lawyer, I wrote countless legal briefs and documents. Most
legal briefs run about 30 pages or so and share much of the formatting
as books; a cover page, front matter with table of contents and a table
of authorities and main matter with section headings, formatted text
with headers, footers and footnotes. When presenting a brief in the U.S.
Supreme Court, one presents it in the format of a paper-back book. The
lawyer prepares the fully formatted document and then sends it to
specialized legal publishers for final printing. In my case, I used
WordPerfect for Windows as that is what my publisher preferred at the time.
I am old enough that I began with DOS and PC-Write. I graduated to
WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS, then WP for Windows and later to Word. Finally,
because I am cheap and actually read and try to abide by software
license agreements, I downloaded StarOffice and have used it along with
its various subsequent descendants including OpenOffice.org and now
LibreOffice 7.x. I am sorry that you have had bad experiences with
LibreOffice as I have always found it to be quite faithful and every bit
as easy to use as MS-Word. In my years of use, I have never had it lose
or mangle my styles. I don't think I'm fooling myself and I definitely
use styles-based authoring, and I can tell I certainly don't know any
more than you. It just works and, I often find that, when I try other
systems, including LyX, LaTeX or an HTML oriented RMarkdown, I go back
to LibreOffice to just get work done.
I agree with your assessment about LaTeX and LyX. When writing in LaTeX,
I also get distracted by the many times I have to type \command{text}.
When I found LyX, I was thrilled to see it shield me from so much LaTeX
coding. I can even type a dollar sign in LyX ($) without having to
remember to precede it with with a backslash to avoid slipping into math
mode. I can't imagine trying to write a book in LaTeX code. But, I
wouldn't hesitate to use LyX. I also agree it relies too much on the mouse.
I now teach at a local college and, for one of my classes, I wanted my
students to do a book report on Charles Sheldon's book, /In His Steps/.
Since it is an old
Re: How would LyX perform?
Am 30.12.21 um 14:46 schrieb Steve Litt via lyx-users: Wolfgang Engelmann via lyx-users said on Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:31:55 +0100 This has shocked me https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0115069 Would be interesting to see how LyX performs Plain TeX would be much better than LaTeX, as a native format, if it could handle fonts well. Does anyone know of a Plain TeX to LuaTeX or XeTeX converter? What do you want to convert?? Every Plain TeX document runs with LuaTeX or XeTeX, but, of course, not vice versa! Herbert -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: How would LyX perform?
Wolfgang Engelmann via lyx-users said on Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:31:55 +0100 >This has shocked me >https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0115069 > >Would be interesting to see how LyX performs My first two books were written in WordPerfect 5.1. The next one was written in MS Word. All the rest were written in LyX. I was happy with all of them. My worst nightmare would be authoring in raw LaTeX. By the time I remembered the necessary LaTeX tag, I would have forgotten the point I was trying to make in my writing. LaTeX is a *lousy* native format for a document. It's suitable only for fixed line PDF/paper. It's extremely difficult to convert to flowing text HTML or ePub, unless you want to (urk) use Pandoc, with all the implied compromises on appearance. In my opinion LaTeX should be only an intermediate component in the authoring stack, that component being for creating fixed-line PDF/paper. Plain TeX would be much better than LaTeX, as a native format, if it could handle fonts well. Does anyone know of a Plain TeX to LuaTeX or XeTeX converter? I'm working on an authoring tool whose native format is a Markdown superset, with complete support of arbitrary styles. It's pretty easy to go from that format to HTML or ePub, but to go from there to fixed-line PDF/paper without using (urk) Pandoc is a challenge. But not nearly as big of a challenge as going from LaTeX to semantic HTML. Getting back to LyX, one of my books, "Key to Everyday Excellence", could not have been written in WordPerfect or MSWord because the (fictional) plot is so date driven that the current plot date appears in the header. And although I used styles-based authoring in WordPerfect and MSWord, I like that LyX enforces styles-based authoring. LyX is quite a fast authoring environment --- the only way it could be faster is to get rid of mouse usage. In my opinion, for a document over 10K words, LyX beats the authoring speed and ease of MSWord. This discussion wouldn't be complete without including LibreOffice. LibreOffice is a style-losing piece of junk fit only for fingerpainting. Those who characterize LibreOffice as a substitute for MSWord either don't use styles-based authoring, or they're fooling themselves, or they know something I don't know. By the way, my new book, "Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition", just came out yesterday. It's made almost exclusively with LyX, Inkscape, and shellscripts. A big thank you goes out to the LyX team who made this possible. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: How would LyX perform?
On 12/27/2021 9:15 AM, Jose Ramom Flores das Seixas via lyx-users wrote: Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) I just read into it a bit and see no reason to look into it further: * It only compares performance in short texts *only short texts*. However, TeX's strengths are in large papers. For example, one could have set the task of making changes in a dissertation: Move sections, make systematic formatting changes, create indexesIf one had measured the expertise in using a program not only in hours, but also the sensible use of the possibilities, other groupings might have resulted - even experienced Word users rarely use style sheets consistently, for example. * *Style importance.* Character styles for highlighting (as they are common e.g. in InDesign and as macros in TeX) do not exist at all... But it is very easy to construct tasks that favor one system or another. With TeX it depends also still on the editor and how humans know to use it. * The paper is already from 2014. *old paper! Lualatex. *Since then, most LaTeX users have probably gotten used to LuaTeX with Unicode and OpenType, so that many coding problems no longer apply (although they may not have played a major role here). * It would have been interesting to include LibreOffice and ConTeXt as well. Maybe also layout programs like InDesign, Affinity Publisher, Scribus (Is LibreOffice still more stable than Word for extensive work?). Hraban I'm no expert in empirical research methodology, but I've learned enough to know that one needs to minimize variables. It seems to me that, in this study, the variables included not only the different systems -- Word and LaTeX -- but also different *users* using the different programs. I have to believe that at least some of the differences in the results have to do with differences in user typing proficiency. Some typists make more spelling and grammatical mistakes than others regardless of what software they use. To validly test the *software*, I would think that one would need to have same user use both systems. That, of course, would be problematic as it would difficult to find a single use with equal proficiency with both Word and LaTeX. When testing LaTeX, a lot depends on the editing front-end one uses. I have to believe that a person using LyX would be more efficient than one using TeXWorks, if for no other reason that LyX shields the user from so much LaTeX source code. But, unless I missed it, I didn't see any mention in the study of any of the LaTeX users editing with LyX. As to formatting "errors," I wonder what qualified as an error. It appears to me that the test was to duplicate the visual formatting of the original documents. If the original document has a 14 point heading, is it an error if LaTeX produces a 14.3 point heading? Is it an error if the resulting document has 1.5 pica paragraph indents instead of 2.0 pica indents? Were formatting "errors" found in the tables if LaTeX automatically adjusted a table width rather than making it match the width of the original document? My obvious point is that, if formatting "errors" are determined on such a visual-matching level, then it could take quite a bit of time to tweak a LaTeX preamble to achieve the desired results. This isn't a knock on LaTeX; it is simply a recognition that one doesn't generally choose LaTeX for the purpose of precisely reproducing the visual formatting of another existing document. Rather, when I choose LaTeX, it is usually because I don't *care* about the level of formatting details apparently tested by this study. I leave that up to the document class; that's the beauty of LaTeX. If I were given the task of duplicating the visual formatting of an existing document, I would always choose a WYSIWYG program over LaTeX, not because it's better, but because it would be more useful for a visually oriented task. The Word users who could see the formatting as they worked would inherently have an advantage over the LaTeX users who would be working somewhat blindly until they compiled their documents. In short, I have serious questions about the validity of this test. Virgil-- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: How would LyX perform?
Some fun comments on PubPeer. https://pubpeer.com/publications/33795E88EB9C62075F5194965C6874?utm_source=Firefox_medium=BrowserExtension_campaign=Firefox;> PubPeer I have always detested Word so I may be a poor source but AFAICT, Word is adequate for simple documents. Ask it, or pretty well any "word processor", for something mildly complex---say a Tufte--style layout or double column footnotes, good luck. Complicated figures I am unlikely to whip up a lost-cat advert to tack on a hydro pole with LaTeX or LyX. An APA format paper---Lyx all the way especially combined with R & knitr. On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 at 08:30, Baris Erkus via lyx-users wrote: > > > On 27-Dec-21 1:39 PM, Wolfgang Engelmann via lyx-users wrote: > > Ich habe nur mal ein bisschen hineingelesen und sehe keinen Grund, > > mich näher damit zu befassen: > > > > * Es wird nur die Leistung bei kurzen Texten ### only short texts - > > tex strong in larger papers ### verglichen. > > Die Stärken von TeX liegen aber bei umfangreichen Arbeiten. > > Man hätte z.B. die Aufgabe stellen können, Änderungen in einer > > Dissertation vorzunehmen: Abschnitte verschieben, systematische > > Änderungen der Formatierung, Register erstellen... > > Wenn man die Expertise im Umgang mit einem Programm nicht nur in > > Stunden gemessen hätte, sondern auch den sinnvollen Einsatz der > > Möglichkeiten, hätten sich evtl. auch noch andere Gruppierungen > > ergeben – auch erfahrene Word-Benutzer verwenden z.B. selten > > konsequent Stilvorlagen. > > ### style importance### Zeichenstile für Hervorhebungen (wie sie z.B. > > in InDesign üblich sin d und in TeX als Makros) gibt es gar nicht... > > Es ist aber sehr leicht, Aufgaben zu konstruieren, die das eine oder > > andere System bevorzugen. Bei TeX kommt es auch noch auf den Editor an > > und wie mensch ihn auszunutzen weiß. > > > > * Das Paper ist schon von 2014. ### old paper! Lualatex ### > > Seitdem haben sich wohl auch die meisten LaTeX-Benutzer an LuaTeX mit > > Unicode und OpenType gewöhnt, so dass viele Codierungsprobleme > > entfallen (die hier allerdings keine große Rolle gespielt haben dürften). > > > > * Es wäre interessant gewesen, auch LibreOffice und ConTeXt > > einzubeziehen. Vielleicht auch noch Layoutprogramme wie InDesign, > > Affinity Publisher, Scribus... > > (Ist LibreOffice bei umfangreichen Arbeiten immer noch stabiler als > > Word?) > > Hraban > > +1 > > %95 of Peer-reviewed scientific papers are junk or misleading in this > case. On the other hand, there would not be the 5%, if there is no 95%. > > -- > ↓↓ > Please bottom-post. Start your reply here: > > -- > lyx-users mailing list > lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users -- John Kane Kingston ON Canada -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: How would LyX perform?
Às 11:39 de 27/12/21, Wolfgang Engelmann via lyx-users escreveu: Am 27.12.21 um 11:31 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann via lyx-users: This has shocked me https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0115069 Would be interesting to see how LyX performs Wolfgang I had posted it also at tex-...@listserv.dfn.de and Hraban answered: (sorry, in German, English notes at ### Ich habe nur mal ein bisschen hineingelesen und sehe keinen Grund, mich näher damit zu befassen: * Es wird nur die Leistung bei kurzen Texten ### only short texts - tex strong in larger papers ### verglichen. Die Stärken von TeX liegen aber bei umfangreichen Arbeiten. Man hätte z.B. die Aufgabe stellen können, Änderungen in einer Dissertation vorzunehmen: Abschnitte verschieben, systematische Änderungen der Formatierung, Register erstellen... Wenn man die Expertise im Umgang mit einem Programm nicht nur in Stunden gemessen hätte, sondern auch den sinnvollen Einsatz der Möglichkeiten, hätten sich evtl. auch noch andere Gruppierungen ergeben – auch erfahrene Word-Benutzer verwenden z.B. selten konsequent Stilvorlagen. ### style importance### Zeichenstile für Hervorhebungen (wie sie z.B. in InDesign üblich sin d und in TeX als Makros) gibt es gar nicht... Es ist aber sehr leicht, Aufgaben zu konstruieren, die das eine oder andere System bevorzugen. Bei TeX kommt es auch noch auf den Editor an und wie mensch ihn auszunutzen weiß. * Das Paper ist schon von 2014. ### old paper! Lualatex ### Seitdem haben sich wohl auch die meisten LaTeX-Benutzer an LuaTeX mit Unicode und OpenType gewöhnt, so dass viele Codierungsprobleme entfallen (die hier allerdings keine große Rolle gespielt haben dürften). * Es wäre interessant gewesen, auch LibreOffice und ConTeXt einzubeziehen. Vielleicht auch noch Layoutprogramme wie InDesign, Affinity Publisher, Scribus... (Ist LibreOffice bei umfangreichen Arbeiten immer noch stabiler als Word?) Hraban Wolfgang Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) I just read into it a bit and see no reason to look into it further: * It only compares performance in short texts *only short texts*. However, TeX's strengths are in large papers. For example, one could have set the task of making changes in a dissertation: Move sections, make systematic formatting changes, create indexesIf one had measured the expertise in using a program not only in hours, but also the sensible use of the possibilities, other groupings might have resulted - even experienced Word users rarely use style sheets consistently, for example. * *Style importance.* Character styles for highlighting (as they are common e.g. in InDesign and as macros in TeX) do not exist at all... But it is very easy to construct tasks that favor one system or another. With TeX it depends also still on the editor and how humans know to use it. * The paper is already from 2014. *old paper! Lualatex. *Since then, most LaTeX users have probably gotten used to LuaTeX with Unicode and OpenType, so that many coding problems no longer apply (although they may not have played a major role here). * It would have been interesting to include LibreOffice and ConTeXt as well. Maybe also layout programs like InDesign, Affinity Publisher, Scribus (Is LibreOffice still more stable than Word for extensive work?). Hraban -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: How would LyX perform?
On 27-Dec-21 1:39 PM, Wolfgang Engelmann via lyx-users wrote: Ich habe nur mal ein bisschen hineingelesen und sehe keinen Grund, mich näher damit zu befassen: * Es wird nur die Leistung bei kurzen Texten ### only short texts - tex strong in larger papers ### verglichen. Die Stärken von TeX liegen aber bei umfangreichen Arbeiten. Man hätte z.B. die Aufgabe stellen können, Änderungen in einer Dissertation vorzunehmen: Abschnitte verschieben, systematische Änderungen der Formatierung, Register erstellen... Wenn man die Expertise im Umgang mit einem Programm nicht nur in Stunden gemessen hätte, sondern auch den sinnvollen Einsatz der Möglichkeiten, hätten sich evtl. auch noch andere Gruppierungen ergeben – auch erfahrene Word-Benutzer verwenden z.B. selten konsequent Stilvorlagen. ### style importance### Zeichenstile für Hervorhebungen (wie sie z.B. in InDesign üblich sin d und in TeX als Makros) gibt es gar nicht... Es ist aber sehr leicht, Aufgaben zu konstruieren, die das eine oder andere System bevorzugen. Bei TeX kommt es auch noch auf den Editor an und wie mensch ihn auszunutzen weiß. * Das Paper ist schon von 2014. ### old paper! Lualatex ### Seitdem haben sich wohl auch die meisten LaTeX-Benutzer an LuaTeX mit Unicode und OpenType gewöhnt, so dass viele Codierungsprobleme entfallen (die hier allerdings keine große Rolle gespielt haben dürften). * Es wäre interessant gewesen, auch LibreOffice und ConTeXt einzubeziehen. Vielleicht auch noch Layoutprogramme wie InDesign, Affinity Publisher, Scribus... (Ist LibreOffice bei umfangreichen Arbeiten immer noch stabiler als Word?) Hraban +1 %95 of Peer-reviewed scientific papers are junk or misleading in this case. On the other hand, there would not be the 5%, if there is no 95%. -- ↓↓ Please bottom-post. Start your reply here: -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: How would LyX perform?
Am 27.12.21 um 11:31 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann via lyx-users: This has shocked me https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0115069 Would be interesting to see how LyX performs Wolfgang I had posted it also at tex-...@listserv.dfn.de and Hraban answered: (sorry, in German, English notes at ### Ich habe nur mal ein bisschen hineingelesen und sehe keinen Grund, mich näher damit zu befassen: * Es wird nur die Leistung bei kurzen Texten ### only short texts - tex strong in larger papers ### verglichen. Die Stärken von TeX liegen aber bei umfangreichen Arbeiten. Man hätte z.B. die Aufgabe stellen können, Änderungen in einer Dissertation vorzunehmen: Abschnitte verschieben, systematische Änderungen der Formatierung, Register erstellen... Wenn man die Expertise im Umgang mit einem Programm nicht nur in Stunden gemessen hätte, sondern auch den sinnvollen Einsatz der Möglichkeiten, hätten sich evtl. auch noch andere Gruppierungen ergeben – auch erfahrene Word-Benutzer verwenden z.B. selten konsequent Stilvorlagen. ### style importance### Zeichenstile für Hervorhebungen (wie sie z.B. in InDesign üblich sin d und in TeX als Makros) gibt es gar nicht... Es ist aber sehr leicht, Aufgaben zu konstruieren, die das eine oder andere System bevorzugen. Bei TeX kommt es auch noch auf den Editor an und wie mensch ihn auszunutzen weiß. * Das Paper ist schon von 2014. ### old paper! Lualatex ### Seitdem haben sich wohl auch die meisten LaTeX-Benutzer an LuaTeX mit Unicode und OpenType gewöhnt, so dass viele Codierungsprobleme entfallen (die hier allerdings keine große Rolle gespielt haben dürften). * Es wäre interessant gewesen, auch LibreOffice und ConTeXt einzubeziehen. Vielleicht auch noch Layoutprogramme wie InDesign, Affinity Publisher, Scribus... (Ist LibreOffice bei umfangreichen Arbeiten immer noch stabiler als Word?) Hraban Wolfgang -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
