Re: Longtables
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Lastalda Felina lasta...@googlemail.comwrote: This is probably a stupid question, but I'm still fairly new to Lyx. I want to use a longtable in my thesis. From what I've read across various sources, I need to rightclick on the table, click through to the options = long tables setting and then tick off the little box saying use longtable. But for some reason I cannot tick it, it's greyed out so un-selectable. (Screenshot: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/lastalda/longtable.png) Do I need to use some specific package to be able to access the longtable option? Or some special setting? (I'm using the koma(book) class, if that is relevant.) Longtables do not work in floats, and it seems that your table is in a float. There might be ways around, but I am not aware of any (and doubt they are useful). Cheers, Rainer Thank you in advance for your help! Lastalda -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax (F): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug
Re: Longtables
The table is not within a float. (I already found the don't put longtables in floats advice before.) Anything else I might be doing wrong? Would making a short version of the file showing the problem help? 2011/10/5 Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Lastalda Felina lasta...@googlemail.com wrote: This is probably a stupid question, but I'm still fairly new to Lyx. I want to use a longtable in my thesis. From what I've read across various sources, I need to rightclick on the table, click through to the options = long tables setting and then tick off the little box saying use longtable. But for some reason I cannot tick it, it's greyed out so un-selectable. (Screenshot: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/lastalda/longtable.png) Do I need to use some specific package to be able to access the longtable option? Or some special setting? (I'm using the koma(book) class, if that is relevant.) Longtables do not work in floats, and it seems that your table is in a float. There might be ways around, but I am not aware of any (and doubt they are useful). Cheers, Rainer Thank you in advance for your help! Lastalda -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax (F): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -- Zu sagen Hier herrscht Freiheit ist immer ein Irrtum oder eine Lüge. Freiheit herrscht nicht. - Ehrich Fried, Herrschaftsfreiheit -
Re: Longtables
Solution found: longtables do not seem to like table width. Removing the tablewidth setting solved the problem. Thank you, Rainer! 2011/10/5 Lastalda Felina lasta...@googlemail.com: The table is not within a float. (I already found the don't put longtables in floats advice before.) Anything else I might be doing wrong? Would making a short version of the file showing the problem help? 2011/10/5 Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Lastalda Felina lasta...@googlemail.com wrote: This is probably a stupid question, but I'm still fairly new to Lyx. I want to use a longtable in my thesis. From what I've read across various sources, I need to rightclick on the table, click through to the options = long tables setting and then tick off the little box saying use longtable. But for some reason I cannot tick it, it's greyed out so un-selectable. (Screenshot: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/lastalda/longtable.png) Do I need to use some specific package to be able to access the longtable option? Or some special setting? (I'm using the koma(book) class, if that is relevant.) Longtables do not work in floats, and it seems that your table is in a float. There might be ways around, but I am not aware of any (and doubt they are useful). Cheers, Rainer Thank you in advance for your help! Lastalda -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax (F): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -- Zu sagen Hier herrscht Freiheit ist immer ein Irrtum oder eine Lüge. Freiheit herrscht nicht. - Ehrich Fried, Herrschaftsfreiheit - -- Zu sagen Hier herrscht Freiheit ist immer ein Irrtum oder eine Lüge. Freiheit herrscht nicht. - Ehrich Fried, Herrschaftsfreiheit -
Re: Longtables
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Lastalda Felina lasta...@googlemail.comwrote: This is probably a stupid question, but I'm still fairly new to Lyx. I want to use a longtable in my thesis. From what I've read across various sources, I need to rightclick on the table, click through to the options = long tables setting and then tick off the little box saying use longtable. But for some reason I cannot tick it, it's greyed out so un-selectable. (Screenshot: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/lastalda/longtable.png) Do I need to use some specific package to be able to access the longtable option? Or some special setting? (I'm using the koma(book) class, if that is relevant.) Longtables do not work in floats, and it seems that your table is in a float. There might be ways around, but I am not aware of any (and doubt they are useful). Cheers, Rainer Thank you in advance for your help! Lastalda -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax (F): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug
Re: Longtables
The table is not within a float. (I already found the don't put longtables in floats advice before.) Anything else I might be doing wrong? Would making a short version of the file showing the problem help? 2011/10/5 Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Lastalda Felina lasta...@googlemail.com wrote: This is probably a stupid question, but I'm still fairly new to Lyx. I want to use a longtable in my thesis. From what I've read across various sources, I need to rightclick on the table, click through to the options = long tables setting and then tick off the little box saying use longtable. But for some reason I cannot tick it, it's greyed out so un-selectable. (Screenshot: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/lastalda/longtable.png) Do I need to use some specific package to be able to access the longtable option? Or some special setting? (I'm using the koma(book) class, if that is relevant.) Longtables do not work in floats, and it seems that your table is in a float. There might be ways around, but I am not aware of any (and doubt they are useful). Cheers, Rainer Thank you in advance for your help! Lastalda -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax (F): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -- Zu sagen Hier herrscht Freiheit ist immer ein Irrtum oder eine Lüge. Freiheit herrscht nicht. - Ehrich Fried, Herrschaftsfreiheit -
Re: Longtables
Solution found: longtables do not seem to like table width. Removing the tablewidth setting solved the problem. Thank you, Rainer! 2011/10/5 Lastalda Felina lasta...@googlemail.com: The table is not within a float. (I already found the don't put longtables in floats advice before.) Anything else I might be doing wrong? Would making a short version of the file showing the problem help? 2011/10/5 Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Lastalda Felina lasta...@googlemail.com wrote: This is probably a stupid question, but I'm still fairly new to Lyx. I want to use a longtable in my thesis. From what I've read across various sources, I need to rightclick on the table, click through to the options = long tables setting and then tick off the little box saying use longtable. But for some reason I cannot tick it, it's greyed out so un-selectable. (Screenshot: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/lastalda/longtable.png) Do I need to use some specific package to be able to access the longtable option? Or some special setting? (I'm using the koma(book) class, if that is relevant.) Longtables do not work in floats, and it seems that your table is in a float. There might be ways around, but I am not aware of any (and doubt they are useful). Cheers, Rainer Thank you in advance for your help! Lastalda -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax (F): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -- Zu sagen Hier herrscht Freiheit ist immer ein Irrtum oder eine Lüge. Freiheit herrscht nicht. - Ehrich Fried, Herrschaftsfreiheit - -- Zu sagen Hier herrscht Freiheit ist immer ein Irrtum oder eine Lüge. Freiheit herrscht nicht. - Ehrich Fried, Herrschaftsfreiheit -
Re: Longtables
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Lastalda Felinawrote: > This is probably a stupid question, but I'm still fairly new to Lyx. > I want to use a longtable in my thesis. From what I've read across > various sources, I need to rightclick on the table, click through to > the "options => long tables" setting and then tick off the little box > saying "use longtable". But for some reason I cannot tick it, it's > greyed out so un-selectable. > (Screenshot: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/lastalda/longtable.png) > > Do I need to use some specific package to be able to access the > longtable option? Or some special setting? > (I'm using the koma(book) class, if that is relevant.) > Longtables do not work in floats, and it seems that your table is in a float. There might be ways around, but I am not aware of any (and doubt they are useful). Cheers, Rainer > > Thank you in advance for your help! > Lastalda > -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax (F): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug
Re: Longtables
The table is not within a float. (I already found the "don't put longtables in floats" advice before.) Anything else I might be doing wrong? Would making a short version of the file showing the problem help? 2011/10/5 Rainer M Krug: > > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Lastalda Felina > wrote: >> >> This is probably a stupid question, but I'm still fairly new to Lyx. >> I want to use a longtable in my thesis. From what I've read across >> various sources, I need to rightclick on the table, click through to >> the "options => long tables" setting and then tick off the little box >> saying "use longtable". But for some reason I cannot tick it, it's >> greyed out so un-selectable. >> (Screenshot: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/lastalda/longtable.png) >> >> Do I need to use some specific package to be able to access the >> longtable option? Or some special setting? >> (I'm using the koma(book) class, if that is relevant.) > > Longtables do not work in floats, and it seems that your table is in a > float. > > There might be ways around, but I am not aware of any (and doubt they are > useful). > Cheers, > > Rainer > > >> >> Thank you in advance for your help! >> Lastalda > > > > -- > Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, > UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) > > Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology > Stellenbosch University > South Africa > > Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 > Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 > Fax (F): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 > > Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 > > email: rai...@krugs.de > > Skype: RMkrug > > -- Zu sagen "Hier herrscht Freiheit" ist immer ein Irrtum oder eine Lüge. Freiheit herrscht nicht. - Ehrich Fried, "Herrschaftsfreiheit" -
Re: Longtables
Solution found: longtables do not seem to like table width. Removing the tablewidth setting solved the problem. Thank you, Rainer! 2011/10/5 Lastalda Felina: > The table is not within a float. > (I already found the "don't put longtables in floats" advice before.) > > Anything else I might be doing wrong? > Would making a short version of the file showing the problem help? > > 2011/10/5 Rainer M Krug : >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Lastalda Felina >> wrote: >>> >>> This is probably a stupid question, but I'm still fairly new to Lyx. >>> I want to use a longtable in my thesis. From what I've read across >>> various sources, I need to rightclick on the table, click through to >>> the "options => long tables" setting and then tick off the little box >>> saying "use longtable". But for some reason I cannot tick it, it's >>> greyed out so un-selectable. >>> (Screenshot: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/lastalda/longtable.png) >>> >>> Do I need to use some specific package to be able to access the >>> longtable option? Or some special setting? >>> (I'm using the koma(book) class, if that is relevant.) >> >> Longtables do not work in floats, and it seems that your table is in a >> float. >> >> There might be ways around, but I am not aware of any (and doubt they are >> useful). >> Cheers, >> >> Rainer >> >> >>> >>> Thank you in advance for your help! >>> Lastalda >> >> >> >> -- >> Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, >> UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) >> >> Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology >> Stellenbosch University >> South Africa >> >> Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 >> Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 >> Fax (F): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 >> >> Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 >> >> email: rai...@krugs.de >> >> Skype: RMkrug >> >> > > > > -- > Zu sagen "Hier herrscht Freiheit" ist immer ein Irrtum oder eine Lüge. > Freiheit herrscht nicht. > - Ehrich Fried, "Herrschaftsfreiheit" - > -- Zu sagen "Hier herrscht Freiheit" ist immer ein Irrtum oder eine Lüge. Freiheit herrscht nicht. - Ehrich Fried, "Herrschaftsfreiheit" -
Re: longtables and rotating
RENARD Francois 144138 wrote: I've a lot of problems with longtables and rotating in LYX : 1- Do longtables work in float environment ? Apparently no... only when it has no pagebreak, but then it is no longtable ... ;-) 2- Is it possible to rotate longtable (I got lot of errors when selecting longtable + rotate 90 deg) ? this is a bug inside LyX, it shouldn't allow that a longtable can be rotated. 3- Does somebody know how do rotate longtables in LATEX ? I saw in a book that it is possible, but I can't manage to do it... insert in ERT \begin{landscape}, then insert as usual the longtable, but not inside a float. For the caption search into the archives, I posted an example some weeks ago. After the longtable write laso in ERT \enbd{landscape} In the preamble input \usepackage{lscape} 4- Is it possible to rotate a float figure (figure and caption) ? ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/hvfloat/ Herbert -- http://TeXnik.de/ http://PSTricks.de/ ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/info/math/voss/Voss-Mathmode.pdf http://www.dante.de/faq/de-tex-faq/ http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?introduction=yes
Re: longtables and rotating
RENARD Francois 144138 wrote: I've a lot of problems with longtables and rotating in LYX : 1- Do longtables work in float environment ? Apparently no... only when it has no pagebreak, but then it is no longtable ... ;-) 2- Is it possible to rotate longtable (I got lot of errors when selecting longtable + rotate 90 deg) ? this is a bug inside LyX, it shouldn't allow that a longtable can be rotated. 3- Does somebody know how do rotate longtables in LATEX ? I saw in a book that it is possible, but I can't manage to do it... insert in ERT \begin{landscape}, then insert as usual the longtable, but not inside a float. For the caption search into the archives, I posted an example some weeks ago. After the longtable write laso in ERT \enbd{landscape} In the preamble input \usepackage{lscape} 4- Is it possible to rotate a float figure (figure and caption) ? ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/hvfloat/ Herbert -- http://TeXnik.de/ http://PSTricks.de/ ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/info/math/voss/Voss-Mathmode.pdf http://www.dante.de/faq/de-tex-faq/ http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?introduction=yes
Re: longtables and rotating
RENARD Francois 144138 wrote: I've a lot of problems with longtables and rotating in LYX : 1- Do longtables work in float environment ? Apparently no... only when it has no pagebreak, but then it is no longtable ... ;-) 2- Is it possible to rotate longtable (I got lot of errors when selecting longtable + rotate 90 deg) ? this is a bug inside LyX, it shouldn't allow that a longtable can be rotated. 3- Does somebody know how do rotate longtables in LATEX ? I saw in a book that it is possible, but I can't manage to do it... insert in ERT \begin{landscape}, then insert as usual the longtable, but not inside a float. For the caption search into the archives, I posted an example some weeks ago. After the longtable write laso in ERT \enbd{landscape} In the preamble input \usepackage{lscape} 4- Is it possible to rotate a float figure (figure and caption) ? ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/hvfloat/ Herbert -- http://TeXnik.de/ http://PSTricks.de/ ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/info/math/voss/Voss-Mathmode.pdf http://www.dante.de/faq/de-tex-faq/ http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?introduction=yes
Re: longtables
Holger Zebner schrieb: I have a problem with longtables. All tables are placed inside floats and have a caption. makes no sense to have a longtable in a float, because a longtable can not break across pages. When I tick in the table dialog at the longtable box the first table in my document will be counted as No. 2 (Table 2) and the next one Table 3. When I deselect the longtable option the 1rst table gets counted correctly as No. 1. Why doesen't the counting of tables work with the first table as a longtable? because longtable uses the same counter than table. http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/LaTeX/table/longtable.phtml Herbert
Re: longtables
Holger Zebner schrieb: I have a problem with longtables. All tables are placed inside floats and have a caption. makes no sense to have a longtable in a float, because a longtable can not break across pages. When I tick in the table dialog at the longtable box the first table in my document will be counted as No. 2 (Table 2) and the next one Table 3. When I deselect the longtable option the 1rst table gets counted correctly as No. 1. Why doesen't the counting of tables work with the first table as a longtable? because longtable uses the same counter than table. http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/LaTeX/table/longtable.phtml Herbert
Re: longtables
Holger Zebner schrieb: I have a problem with longtables. All tables are placed inside floats and have a caption. makes no sense to have a longtable in a float, because a longtable can not break across pages. When I tick in the table dialog at the longtable box the first table in my document will be counted as No. 2 (Table 2) and the next one "Table 3". When I deselect the "longtable" option the 1rst table gets counted correctly as No. 1. Why doesen't the counting of tables work with the first table as a longtable? because longtable uses the same counter than table. http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/LaTeX/table/longtable.phtml Herbert
Re: longtables
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 06:38:29PM +0200, Holger Zebner wrote: Hi list, I have a problem with longtables. All tables are placed inside floats and have a caption. Longtables should not be placed in a float. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson or B. Franklin or both...)
Re: longtables
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 06:38:29PM +0200, Holger Zebner wrote: Hi list, I have a problem with longtables. All tables are placed inside floats and have a caption. Longtables should not be placed in a float. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson or B. Franklin or both...)
Re: longtables
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 06:38:29PM +0200, Holger Zebner wrote: > Hi list, > I have a problem with longtables. > All tables are placed inside floats and have a caption. Longtables should not be placed in a float. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson or B. Franklin or both...)
Re: longtables
I think I can recall something about longtables not working properly in floats.But have a look at the online help to confirm this cheers Owen Holger Zebner wrote: Hi list, I have a problem with longtables. All tables are placed inside floats and have a caption. When I tick in the table dialog at the longtable box the first table in my document will be counted as No. 2 (Table 2) and the next one Table 3. When I deselect the longtable option the 1rst table gets counted correctly as No. 1. Why doesen't the counting of tables work with the first table as a longtable? Thanks and Greetings Holger
Re: longtables
I think I can recall something about longtables not working properly in floats.But have a look at the online help to confirm this cheers Owen Holger Zebner wrote: Hi list, I have a problem with longtables. All tables are placed inside floats and have a caption. When I tick in the table dialog at the longtable box the first table in my document will be counted as No. 2 (Table 2) and the next one Table 3. When I deselect the longtable option the 1rst table gets counted correctly as No. 1. Why doesen't the counting of tables work with the first table as a longtable? Thanks and Greetings Holger
Re: longtables
I think I can recall something about longtables not working properly in floats.But have a look at the online help to confirm this cheers Owen Holger Zebner wrote: Hi list, I have a problem with longtables. All tables are placed inside floats and have a caption. When I tick in the table dialog at the longtable box the first table in my document will be counted as No. 2 (Table 2) and the next one "Table 3". When I deselect the "longtable" option the 1rst table gets counted correctly as No. 1. Why doesen't the counting of tables work with the first table as a longtable? Thanks and Greetings Holger
Re: Longtables in figure floats?
Mesner Strast wrote: Hi I've got a figure float with many sub-figures which I have put into a longtable. The thing is that the figure float runs into several pages but the longtable doesn't seem to want to split. How can this be done? Any suggestions? Thanks. don't use a float or write your own environment if you need the caption. e.g. \newcounter{myCounter}[section] \newcommand{\myCaption}[1]{% \vspace{0.5cm}\noindent\refstepcounter{myCounter} \sc Table % \rm\thesection .\arabic{myCounter}\hspace{0.2cm}\rm\ #1% } Herbert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://perce.de/voss
Re: Longtables in figure floats?
Mesner Strast wrote: Hi I've got a figure float with many sub-figures which I have put into a longtable. The thing is that the figure float runs into several pages but the longtable doesn't seem to want to split. How can this be done? Any suggestions? Thanks. don't use a float or write your own environment if you need the caption. e.g. \newcounter{myCounter}[section] \newcommand{\myCaption}[1]{% \vspace{0.5cm}\noindent\refstepcounter{myCounter} \sc Table % \rm\thesection .\arabic{myCounter}\hspace{0.2cm}\rm\ #1% } Herbert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://perce.de/voss
Re: Longtables in figure floats?
Mesner Strast wrote: > > Hi I've got a figure float with many sub-figures which I have > put into a longtable. The thing is that the figure float runs > into several pages but the longtable doesn't seem to want to > split. How can this be done? Any suggestions? Thanks. don't use a float or write your own environment if you need the caption. e.g. \newcounter{myCounter}[section] \newcommand{\myCaption}[1]{% \vspace{0.5cm}\noindent\refstepcounter{myCounter} \sc Table % \rm\thesection .\arabic{myCounter}\hspace{0.2cm}\rm\ #1% } Herbert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://perce.de/voss