Re: User list server settings

[Steve Litt via lyx-users]

Paul A. Rubin via lyx-users said on Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:23:48 -0500


>In any case, while I would prefer to have the proper sender display 
>back, if that can't be done I can accept the "new normal" as the price 
>of avoiding your being spammed. :-)

I know it's a lost cause but I'll say it anyway: A better cost would
have been just to ban email from yahoo and its ilk right from the
beginning. As a user, I've found Dmarc has been nothing but trouble from
the very beginning.

SteveT

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Re: User list server settings

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes via lyx-users]

Le 16/12/2021 à 18:23, Paul A. Rubin via lyx-users a écrit :
Thanks JMarc. That sheds some light. It is quite curious that the change 
affects different recipients in different ways, even when we use the 
same mail client (though perhaps not with the same email provider).


In any case, while I would prefer to have the proper sender display 
back, if that can't be done I can accept the "new normal" as the price 
of avoiding your being spammed. :-)


I do review a few dozen blocked messages per day, just to see whether 
there is something legitimate in there. Usually there is not.


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Re: User list server settings

[Paul A. Rubin via lyx-users]

On 12/16/21 12:00 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes via lyx-users wrote:

Le 16/12/2021 à 05:13, Paul A. Rubin via lyx-users a écrit :

Hi all,

Did a gremlin mess with server settings for this list? For the last 
few days, every message I've gotten has had  "mailing list" 
(lyx-users@lists.lyx.org) in both From and To fields, which means my 
mail client no longer shows who the sender was. (The sender's name 
and address are in the "Reply to" field.) In contrast, the developer 
list continues to behave itself, with the sender's name in the From 
field and "LyX Developers" in the To field.


I am not sure if I would qualify this as a gremlin, but one of the 
people from OSUOSL.org (which gracefully hosts these lists and our 
server) did tweak this mailing list.


Why did such a thing happen?

Well, every time our friend Valdemaras (aka sov...@yahoo.com) posted a 
message on the list, I got a bounce from every subscriber to this list 
who use a yahoo-based ISP (that's 40 people who did not get the 
message). This with an error message about spam and DMARC that I am 
not sure to understand. As I do not understand why Valdemaras is our 
only user who freaks out yahoo.


So we can try to tweak again and better the list, but no promises. And 
if there is a specialist of mailman reading this, hints will be welcome.


JMarc
Thanks JMarc. That sheds some light. It is quite curious that the change 
affects different recipients in different ways, even when we use the 
same mail client (though perhaps not with the same email provider).


In any case, while I would prefer to have the proper sender display 
back, if that can't be done I can accept the "new normal" as the price 
of avoiding your being spammed. :-)


Paul


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Re: User list server settings

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes via lyx-users]

Le 16/12/2021 à 05:13, Paul A. Rubin via lyx-users a écrit :

Hi all,

Did a gremlin mess with server settings for this list? For the last few 
days, every message I've gotten has had  "mailing list" 
(lyx-users@lists.lyx.org) in both From and To fields, which means my 
mail client no longer shows who the sender was. (The sender's name and 
address are in the "Reply to" field.) In contrast, the developer list 
continues to behave itself, with the sender's name in the From field and 
"LyX Developers" in the To field.


I am not sure if I would qualify this as a gremlin, but one of the 
people from OSUOSL.org (which gracefully hosts these lists and our 
server) did tweak this mailing list.


Why did such a thing happen?

Well, every time our friend Valdemaras (aka sov...@yahoo.com) posted a 
message on the list, I got a bounce from every subscriber to this list 
who use a yahoo-based ISP (that's 40 people who did not get the 
message). This with an error message about spam and DMARC that I am not 
sure to understand. As I do not understand why Valdemaras is our only 
user who freaks out yahoo.


So we can try to tweak again and better the list, but no promises. And 
if there is a specialist of mailman reading this, hints will be welcome.


JMarc
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Re: User list server settings

[Paul A. Rubin via lyx-users]

On 12/16/21 8:17 AM, Daniel via lyx-users wrote:

On 16/12/2021 05:13, Paul A. Rubin via lyx-users wrote:

Hi all,

Did a gremlin mess with server settings for this list? For the last 
few days, every message I've gotten has had  "mailing list" 
(lyx-users@lists.lyx.org) in both From and To fields, which means my 
mail client no longer shows who the sender was. (The sender's name 
and address are in the "Reply to" field.) In contrast, the developer 
list continues to behave itself, with the sender's name in the From 
field and "LyX Developers" in the To field.


It's not a big deal, but as one of the older members of the list I 
feel I should point out that we elderly types do confuse easily.


Paul



I see a similar problem. But my client (Thunderbird) gives the name 
with a "via lyx-users". So, I can see who send the email but in an 
annoying way. lyx-devel seems to be unaffected.


Daniel

That's curious. I too use Thunderbird (78.14.0) but I just see "mailing 
lyx" in the "From" column.


Paul

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Re: User list server settings

[Paul A. Rubin via lyx-users]

On 12/15/21 11:13 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Hi all,

Did a gremlin mess with server settings for this list? For the last 
few days, every message I've gotten has had  "mailing list" 
(lyx-users@lists.lyx.org) in both From and To fields, which means my 
mail client no longer shows who the sender was. (The sender's name and 
address are in the "Reply to" field.) In contrast, the developer list 
continues to behave itself, with the sender's name in the From field 
and "LyX Developers" in the To field.


It's not a big deal, but as one of the older members of the list I 
feel I should point out that we elderly types do confuse easily.


Paul

Oops, there's a typo there. What I see in the "From" field is "mailing 
lyx", not "mailing list".


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RE: User list server settings

[Dr Paul Verschueren via lyx-users]

The Outlook client view has not changed. It does provide slightly more 
information (see attached screen shot).

I have not come across this form of address line on emails from any other 
source (it contains 3 email addresses!), so there is something unusual about it.



[cid:image001.png@01D7F286.F06688F0]



The “Reply” command believes the return address is:

“Daniel xraco...@gmx.de”

whereas “LyX Users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org” 
would be more useful here!


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Re: User list server settings

[Daniel via lyx-users]

On 16/12/2021 05:13, Paul A. Rubin via lyx-users wrote:

Hi all,

Did a gremlin mess with server settings for this list? For the last few 
days, every message I've gotten has had  "mailing list" 
(lyx-users@lists.lyx.org) in both From and To fields, which means my 
mail client no longer shows who the sender was. (The sender's name and 
address are in the "Reply to" field.) In contrast, the developer list 
continues to behave itself, with the sender's name in the From field and 
"LyX Developers" in the To field.


It's not a big deal, but as one of the older members of the list I feel 
I should point out that we elderly types do confuse easily.


Paul



I see a similar problem. But my client (Thunderbird) gives the name with 
a "via lyx-users". So, I can see who send the email but in an annoying 
way. lyx-devel seems to be unaffected.


Daniel

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Re: User list server settings

[Norman Dunbar via lyx-users]

Morning Gents,

I see both your names in the From field with "Your name via lyx-users 
 and just lyx in the To field. A reply all brings up a 
reply to both you, and Lyx.


I'm an oldie too, as in age, not time spent here! ;-)


Cheers,
Norm.


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Re: User list server settings

[Andrew Parsloe via lyx-users]

On 16/12/2021 5:13 pm, Paul A. Rubin via lyx-users wrote:

Hi all,

Did a gremlin mess with server settings for this list? For the last 
few days, every message I've gotten has had  "mailing list" 
(lyx-users@lists.lyx.org) in both From and To fields, which means my 
mail client no longer shows who the sender was. (The sender's name and 
address are in the "Reply to" field.) In contrast, the developer list 
continues to behave itself, with the sender's name in the From field 
and "LyX Developers" in the To field.


It's not a big deal, but as one of the older members of the list I 
feel I should point out that we elderly types do confuse easily.


Paul


Same problem here.

Andrew

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