Re: Python (was Shortcuts under MacOs Sonoma)

2023-11-09 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 09.11.2023 um 11:24 schrieb Isaac Oscar Gariano :
> 
> Interestingly I've never had this problem on windows as LyX comes with a 
> python in it's installation directory.

Hi Isaac,

Python was an integral component of macOS for ages. Therefore no need to bundle 
it with LyX. In general is the distribution of 3rd party software inside the 
bundle debatable.

> Perhaps the MacOS version should do the same, or at the very least give a 
> very clear error message.

The new LyX version 2.4 has implemented this „feature“.

BR, Stephan

> It might be worth opening a bug report for this. (I've also had LyX tell me 
> it can't find the a LaTeX class, when I definitely had LaTeX installed 
> properly; I can't remember what the cause of it was though, probably my fault 
> for not building LyX properly).
> — Isaac Oscar Gariano​
> From: lyx-users  on behalf of Daniel CLEMENT 
> via lyx-users 
> Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2023 11:13 PM
> To: Dr Eberhard W Lisse 
> Cc: LyX 
> Subject: Re: Python (was Shortcuts under MacOs Sonoma)
>  
> Yes, I had seen this thread and I had reviewed it.
> 
> What I didn’t expect, was that the upgrade would suppress something!
> 
> I don’t know how Python was present before the upgrade (builtin?) However, I 
> have installed the Python3 pkg from the official Python website before I 
> could read your advice.
> 
> Let’s see if that persists across the next upgrades!
> 
> BR - Daniel
> 
> > Le 8 nov. 2023 à 19:16, Dr Eberhard W Lisse  a écrit :
> > 
> > This has been discussed here a number of times in the not so
> > distant past.
> > 
> > I think you need to install the X-Code command line tools to
> > get /usr/bin/python3 again but I use Homebrew's python and
> > that survives OS Upgrades.
> > 
> > greetings, el
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 07/11/2023 15:12, Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users wrote:
> >> Thanks for your reply Isaac.
> >> 
> >> The user directory is: ~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.3/ 
> >> 
> >> That sounded correct. 
> >> 
> >> So I investigated a bit more on the Python side.  It was
> >> definitely a Python issue.
> >> 
> >> I still can hardly believe it, but it seems that the upgrade
> >> had completely stripped my system of any Python.  I
> >> (re)installed it from the official site, and all the LyX
> >> shortcuts got working again.  And the reconfigure function,
> >> too.
> >> 
> >> So, problem solved for now. BR, Daniel
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Re: Python (was Shortcuts under MacOs Sonoma)

2023-11-09 Thread Isaac Oscar Gariano
Interestingly I've never had this problem on windows as LyX comes with a python 
in it's installation directory. Perhaps the MacOS version should do the same, 
or at the very least give a very clear error message.  It might be worth 
opening a bug report for this. (I've also had LyX tell me it can't find the a 
LaTeX class, when I definitely had LaTeX installed properly; I can't remember 
what the cause of it was though, probably my fault for not building LyX 
properly).
— Isaac Oscar Gariano​

From: lyx-users  on behalf of Daniel CLEMENT 
via lyx-users 
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2023 11:13 PM
To: Dr Eberhard W Lisse 
Cc: LyX 
Subject: Re: Python (was Shortcuts under MacOs Sonoma)

Yes, I had seen this thread and I had reviewed it.

What I didn’t expect, was that the upgrade would suppress something!

I don’t know how Python was present before the upgrade (builtin?) However, I 
have installed the Python3 pkg from the official Python website before I could 
read your advice.

Let’s see if that persists across the next upgrades!

BR - Daniel

> Le 8 nov. 2023 à 19:16, Dr Eberhard W Lisse  a écrit :
>
> This has been discussed here a number of times in the not so
> distant past.
>
> I think you need to install the X-Code command line tools to
> get /usr/bin/python3 again but I use Homebrew's python and
> that survives OS Upgrades.
>
> greetings, el
>
>
>
> On 07/11/2023 15:12, Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users wrote:
>> Thanks for your reply Isaac.
>>
>> The user directory is: ~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.3/
>>
>> That sounded correct.
>>
>> So I investigated a bit more on the Python side.  It was
>> definitely a Python issue.
>>
>> I still can hardly believe it, but it seems that the upgrade
>> had completely stripped my system of any Python.  I
>> (re)installed it from the official site, and all the LyX
>> shortcuts got working again.  And the reconfigure function,
>> too.
>>
>> So, problem solved for now. BR, Daniel
> [...]
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Re: Python (was Shortcuts under MacOs Sonoma)

2023-11-09 Thread Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users
Yes, I had seen this thread and I had reviewed it.

What I didn’t expect, was that the upgrade would suppress something!

I don’t know how Python was present before the upgrade (builtin?) However, I 
have installed the Python3 pkg from the official Python website before I could 
read your advice.

Let’s see if that persists across the next upgrades!

BR - Daniel

> Le 8 nov. 2023 à 19:16, Dr Eberhard W Lisse  a écrit :
> 
> This has been discussed here a number of times in the not so
> distant past.
> 
> I think you need to install the X-Code command line tools to
> get /usr/bin/python3 again but I use Homebrew's python and
> that survives OS Upgrades.
> 
> greetings, el
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/11/2023 15:12, Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users wrote:
>> Thanks for your reply Isaac.
>> 
>> The user directory is: ~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.3/ 
>> 
>> That sounded correct. 
>> 
>> So I investigated a bit more on the Python side.  It was
>> definitely a Python issue.
>> 
>> I still can hardly believe it, but it seems that the upgrade
>> had completely stripped my system of any Python.  I
>> (re)installed it from the official site, and all the LyX
>> shortcuts got working again.  And the reconfigure function,
>> too.
>> 
>> So, problem solved for now. BR, Daniel
> [...]
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Python (was Shortcuts under MacOs Sonoma)

2023-11-08 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
This has been discussed here a number of times in the not so
distant past.

I think you need to install the X-Code command line tools to
get /usr/bin/python3 again but I use Homebrew's python and
that survives OS Upgrades.

greetings, el



On 07/11/2023 15:12, Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users wrote:
> Thanks for your reply Isaac.
> 
> The user directory is: ~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.3/ 
> 
> That sounded correct. 
> 
> So I investigated a bit more on the Python side.  It was
> definitely a Python issue.
> 
> I still can hardly believe it, but it seems that the upgrade
> had completely stripped my system of any Python.  I
> (re)installed it from the official site, and all the LyX
> shortcuts got working again.  And the reconfigure function,
> too.
> 
> So, problem solved for now. BR, Daniel
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Re: Shortcuts under MacOs Sonoma

2023-11-07 Thread Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users
Thanks for your reply Isaac.

The user directory is: ~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.3/ 

That sounded correct. 

So I investigated a bit more on the Python side.  It was definitely a Python 
issue.

I still can hardly believe it, but it seems that the upgrade had completely 
stripped my system of any Python. I (re)installed it from the official site, 
and all the LyX shortcuts got working again. And the reconfigure function, too.

So, problem solved for now. BR, Daniel

> Le 7 nov. 2023 à 04:01, Isaac Oscar Gariano  a écrit :
> 
> Dear Daniel,
> I personally am not familiar with MacOS, but it sounds like LyX isn't finding 
> your files correctly.
> If you go to Help → About LyX, it will list a folder as "User directory",
> Does that folder contain the bind/user.bind​ file you want to use?
> 
> — Isaac Oscar Gariano​From: lyx-users  on 
> behalf of Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users 
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2023 6:49 AM
> To: LyX 
> Subject: Shortcuts under MacOs Sonoma
>  Dear list members,
> 
> I have recently upgraded my MacBook to MacOs 14 “Sonoma” last week (right 
> from 12).
> 
> LyX (2.3.7) was one of the main apps that I have tested; it appeared to work 
> well at first glance. But only today I have noticed a couple of issues, 
> mainly shortcuts, but possibly related:
> 
> 1) I’ve lost my shortcuts (sigh!) My shortcut file is still there. I have 
> reloaded it for good measure, but no luck. So, no Cmd-O to open a file, Cmd-D 
> for displayed maths and so on… (-> “unknown function” in the taskbar).
> 
> 2) Then I tried to reconfigure, but I got an error message like: “reconfigure 
> failed - implicit classes will be used but maybe LyX won’t work normally”.
> 
> 3) I happened to try and open a file coming from LyX 2.1, but I got: 
> “ comes from an old LyX version, but the LyX2LyX script could not 
> convert it”.
> 
> Doesn’t all this look like a Python issue? I don’t want to rush into any 
> hazardous workaround… What would you suggest?
> 
> Thanks a lot in advance for any advice - best regards, Daniel
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Re: Shortcuts under MacOs Sonoma

2023-11-06 Thread Isaac Oscar Gariano
Dear Daniel,
I personally am not familiar with MacOS, but it sounds like LyX isn't finding 
your files correctly.
If you go to Help → About LyX, it will list a folder as "User directory",
Does that folder contain the bind/user.bind​ file you want to use?

— Isaac Oscar Gariano​

From: lyx-users  on behalf of Daniel CLEMENT 
via lyx-users 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2023 6:49 AM
To: LyX 
Subject: Shortcuts under MacOs Sonoma

Dear list members,

I have recently upgraded my MacBook to MacOs 14 “Sonoma” last week (right from 
12).

LyX (2.3.7) was one of the main apps that I have tested; it appeared to work 
well at first glance. But only today I have noticed a couple of issues, mainly 
shortcuts, but possibly related:

1) I’ve lost my shortcuts (sigh!) My shortcut file is still there. I have 
reloaded it for good measure, but no luck. So, no Cmd-O to open a file, Cmd-D 
for displayed maths and so on… (-> “unknown function” in the taskbar).

2) Then I tried to reconfigure, but I got an error message like: “reconfigure 
failed - implicit classes will be used but maybe LyX won’t work normally”.

3) I happened to try and open a file coming from LyX 2.1, but I got: 
“ comes from an old LyX version, but the LyX2LyX script could not 
convert it”.

Doesn’t all this look like a Python issue? I don’t want to rush into any 
hazardous workaround… What would you suggest?

Thanks a lot in advance for any advice - best regards, Daniel

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Shortcuts under MacOs Sonoma

2023-11-06 Thread Daniel CLEMENT via lyx-users
Dear list members,

I have recently upgraded my MacBook to MacOs 14 “Sonoma” last week (right from 
12).

LyX (2.3.7) was one of the main apps that I have tested; it appeared to work 
well at first glance. But only today I have noticed a couple of issues, mainly 
shortcuts, but possibly related:

1) I’ve lost my shortcuts (sigh!) My shortcut file is still there. I have 
reloaded it for good measure, but no luck. So, no Cmd-O to open a file, Cmd-D 
for displayed maths and so on… (-> “unknown function” in the taskbar).

2) Then I tried to reconfigure, but I got an error message like: “reconfigure 
failed - implicit classes will be used but maybe LyX won’t work normally”.

3) I happened to try and open a file coming from LyX 2.1, but I got: 
“ comes from an old LyX version, but the LyX2LyX script could not 
convert it”.

Doesn’t all this look like a Python issue? I don’t want to rush into any 
hazardous workaround… What would you suggest?

Thanks a lot in advance for any advice - best regards, Daniel

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