Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Marcus Beyer wrote:

 But yes! AFAIK pslatex uses "times" for math. Why is this not reasonable?

For some math fonts, but not all.

I think also that it might not typeset the ps fonts as carefully as TeX
typesets cm fonts, but you'd better ask someone else.




Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

 "Tuukka" == Tuukka Toivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Tuukka On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Marcus Beyer wrote:
 But yes! AFAIK pslatex uses "times" for math. Why is this not
 reasonable?

Tuukka I think also that it might not typeset the ps fonts as
Tuukka carefully as TeX typesets cm fonts, but you'd better ask
Tuukka someone else.

The problem is that designing a math font is a very difficult task.
You have to make sure, for example, that any character used as a
subscript of another one looks good and does not overlap, and a lot of
other things... Currently, when using times as main font, you have the
following choices for math fonts:

- mathtimes fonts: the best choice , but you have to pay for them

- mathptm, mathptmx packages: use a clunky virtual math font based on
  times. It is not very nice and moreover still uses normal computer
  modern for some glyphs (thus has the problems you describe)

- normal computer modern: looks too thin for times

- euler fonts: a bit bolder, but not everybody likes them. 

- the recently released txfonts: probably a good choice, but
  unfortunately they fail to print on some printers (bug in the ps
  fonts).

If however your problem is only to get small and readable pdf files, a
good solution is to use the Postscript Type1 version of the computer
modern fonts. Usually you can do that by doing

dvips -Pps myfile.dvi -o myfile.ps
ps2pdf myfile.ps

[of course there are some magic flags to add here and there to make
this work...]

This only works if you are using the older OT1 encoding. For people
using the newer T1 encoding, you should either

- buy postscript version of the T1 ec fonts

- use the ae.sty package (almost ec), which will emulate the T1 ec
  fonts with postscript OT1 cm fonts. Then if you want french quotes,
  you will need the aeguill.sty package too.


So, as you can see, things are not _very_ easy.

JMarc



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 07:46:58PM +0100, Marcus Beyer wrote:
 Isn't PDFLaTeX the _only_ reasonable solution,
 when you want to include bitmap pictures,
 but don't want to have huge 
 (Megabytes instead of Kilobytes) target files?

Now, you can also use latex+dvipdfm.



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 10:55:00AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
 If however your problem is only to get small and readable pdf files, a
 good solution is to use the Postscript Type1 version of the computer
 modern fonts. Usually you can do that by doing
 
 dvips -Pps myfile.dvi -o myfile.ps
 ps2pdf myfile.ps

See Extended.lyx, section 3.3.6.2 for more information on this issue.



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Marcus Beyer wrote:

 But yes! AFAIK pslatex uses "times" for math. Why is this not reasonable?

For some math fonts, but not all.

I think also that it might not typeset the ps fonts as carefully as TeX
typesets cm fonts, but you'd better ask someone else.




Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

 "Tuukka" == Tuukka Toivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Tuukka On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Marcus Beyer wrote:
 But yes! AFAIK pslatex uses "times" for math. Why is this not
 reasonable?

Tuukka I think also that it might not typeset the ps fonts as
Tuukka carefully as TeX typesets cm fonts, but you'd better ask
Tuukka someone else.

The problem is that designing a math font is a very difficult task.
You have to make sure, for example, that any character used as a
subscript of another one looks good and does not overlap, and a lot of
other things... Currently, when using times as main font, you have the
following choices for math fonts:

- mathtimes fonts: the best choice , but you have to pay for them

- mathptm, mathptmx packages: use a clunky virtual math font based on
  times. It is not very nice and moreover still uses normal computer
  modern for some glyphs (thus has the problems you describe)

- normal computer modern: looks too thin for times

- euler fonts: a bit bolder, but not everybody likes them. 

- the recently released txfonts: probably a good choice, but
  unfortunately they fail to print on some printers (bug in the ps
  fonts).

If however your problem is only to get small and readable pdf files, a
good solution is to use the Postscript Type1 version of the computer
modern fonts. Usually you can do that by doing

dvips -Pps myfile.dvi -o myfile.ps
ps2pdf myfile.ps

[of course there are some magic flags to add here and there to make
this work...]

This only works if you are using the older OT1 encoding. For people
using the newer T1 encoding, you should either

- buy postscript version of the T1 ec fonts

- use the ae.sty package (almost ec), which will emulate the T1 ec
  fonts with postscript OT1 cm fonts. Then if you want french quotes,
  you will need the aeguill.sty package too.


So, as you can see, things are not _very_ easy.

JMarc



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 07:46:58PM +0100, Marcus Beyer wrote:
 Isn't PDFLaTeX the _only_ reasonable solution,
 when you want to include bitmap pictures,
 but don't want to have huge 
 (Megabytes instead of Kilobytes) target files?

Now, you can also use latex+dvipdfm.



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 10:55:00AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
 If however your problem is only to get small and readable pdf files, a
 good solution is to use the Postscript Type1 version of the computer
 modern fonts. Usually you can do that by doing
 
 dvips -Pps myfile.dvi -o myfile.ps
 ps2pdf myfile.ps

See Extended.lyx, section 3.3.6.2 for more information on this issue.



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Marcus Beyer wrote:

> But yes! AFAIK pslatex uses "times" for math. Why is this not reasonable?

For some math fonts, but not all.

I think also that it might not typeset the ps fonts as carefully as TeX
typesets cm fonts, but you'd better ask someone else.




Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

> "Tuukka" == Tuukka Toivonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Tuukka> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Marcus Beyer wrote:
>> But yes! AFAIK pslatex uses "times" for math. Why is this not
>> reasonable?

Tuukka> I think also that it might not typeset the ps fonts as
Tuukka> carefully as TeX typesets cm fonts, but you'd better ask
Tuukka> someone else.

The problem is that designing a math font is a very difficult task.
You have to make sure, for example, that any character used as a
subscript of another one looks good and does not overlap, and a lot of
other things... Currently, when using times as main font, you have the
following choices for math fonts:

- mathtimes fonts: the best choice , but you have to pay for them

- mathptm, mathptmx packages: use a clunky virtual math font based on
  times. It is not very nice and moreover still uses normal computer
  modern for some glyphs (thus has the problems you describe)

- normal computer modern: looks too thin for times

- euler fonts: a bit bolder, but not everybody likes them. 

- the recently released txfonts: probably a good choice, but
  unfortunately they fail to print on some printers (bug in the ps
  fonts).

If however your problem is only to get small and readable pdf files, a
good solution is to use the Postscript Type1 version of the computer
modern fonts. Usually you can do that by doing

dvips -Pps myfile.dvi -o myfile.ps
ps2pdf myfile.ps

[of course there are some magic flags to add here and there to make
this work...]

This only works if you are using the older OT1 encoding. For people
using the newer T1 encoding, you should either

- buy postscript version of the T1 ec fonts

- use the ae.sty package (almost ec), which will emulate the T1 ec
  fonts with postscript OT1 cm fonts. Then if you want french quotes,
  you will need the aeguill.sty package too.


So, as you can see, things are not _very_ easy.

JMarc



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 07:46:58PM +0100, Marcus Beyer wrote:
> Isn't PDFLaTeX the _only_ reasonable solution,
> when you want to include bitmap pictures,
> but don't want to have huge 
> (Megabytes instead of Kilobytes) target files?

Now, you can also use latex+dvipdfm.



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-24 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 10:55:00AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> If however your problem is only to get small and readable pdf files, a
> good solution is to use the Postscript Type1 version of the computer
> modern fonts. Usually you can do that by doing
> 
> dvips -Pps myfile.dvi -o myfile.ps
> ps2pdf myfile.ps

See Extended.lyx, section 3.3.6.2 for more information on this issue.



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-23 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Paul E Johnson wrote:

 Why is pslatex not the "default" font type?

Well, maybe it's the tradition. And some older TeX installations might not
have pslatex.




Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

 "Tuukka" == Tuukka Toivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Tuukka On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Paul E Johnson wrote:
 Why is pslatex not the "default" font type?

Tuukka Well, maybe it's the tradition. And some older TeX
Tuukka installations might not have pslatex.

The default for latex is to use computer modern font. Pslatex does not
provide reasonable math fonts and helvetica looks IMO ugly. It is just
a quick hack to produce pdf files, not a good long term solution.

JMarc



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-23 Thread Marcus Beyer


  Why is pslatex not the "default" font type?

 Tuukka Well, maybe it's the tradition. And some older TeX
 Tuukka installations might not have pslatex.

 The default for latex is to use computer modern font. Pslatex does not
 provide reasonable math fonts

But yes! AFAIK pslatex uses "times" for math. Why is this not reasonable?

 and helvetica looks IMO ugly. It is just
 a quick hack to produce pdf files, not a good long term solution.

Isn't PDFLaTeX the _only_ reasonable solution,
when you want to include bitmap pictures,
but don't want to have huge 
(Megabytes instead of Kilobytes) target files?
Before PDFLaTeX came along
this was always a reason against LyX and TeX!
So what is wrong about PDF?

regards,
Marcus Beyer

http://www.Stormlight.de/lyx_de.html



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-23 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Paul E Johnson wrote:

 Why is pslatex not the "default" font type?

Well, maybe it's the tradition. And some older TeX installations might not
have pslatex.




Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

 "Tuukka" == Tuukka Toivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Tuukka On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Paul E Johnson wrote:
 Why is pslatex not the "default" font type?

Tuukka Well, maybe it's the tradition. And some older TeX
Tuukka installations might not have pslatex.

The default for latex is to use computer modern font. Pslatex does not
provide reasonable math fonts and helvetica looks IMO ugly. It is just
a quick hack to produce pdf files, not a good long term solution.

JMarc



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-23 Thread Marcus Beyer


  Why is pslatex not the "default" font type?

 Tuukka Well, maybe it's the tradition. And some older TeX
 Tuukka installations might not have pslatex.

 The default for latex is to use computer modern font. Pslatex does not
 provide reasonable math fonts

But yes! AFAIK pslatex uses "times" for math. Why is this not reasonable?

 and helvetica looks IMO ugly. It is just
 a quick hack to produce pdf files, not a good long term solution.

Isn't PDFLaTeX the _only_ reasonable solution,
when you want to include bitmap pictures,
but don't want to have huge 
(Megabytes instead of Kilobytes) target files?
Before PDFLaTeX came along
this was always a reason against LyX and TeX!
So what is wrong about PDF?

regards,
Marcus Beyer

http://www.Stormlight.de/lyx_de.html



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-23 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Paul E Johnson wrote:

> Why is pslatex not the "default" font type?

Well, maybe it's the tradition. And some older TeX installations might not
have pslatex.




Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

> "Tuukka" == Tuukka Toivonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Tuukka> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Paul E Johnson wrote:
>> Why is pslatex not the "default" font type?

Tuukka> Well, maybe it's the tradition. And some older TeX
Tuukka> installations might not have pslatex.

The default for latex is to use computer modern font. Pslatex does not
provide reasonable math fonts and helvetica looks IMO ugly. It is just
a quick hack to produce pdf files, not a good long term solution.

JMarc



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-23 Thread Marcus Beyer


> >> Why is pslatex not the "default" font type?
>
> Tuukka> Well, maybe it's the tradition. And some older TeX
> Tuukka> installations might not have pslatex.
>
> The default for latex is to use computer modern font. Pslatex does not
> provide reasonable math fonts

But yes! AFAIK pslatex uses "times" for math. Why is this not reasonable?

> and helvetica looks IMO ugly. It is just
> a quick hack to produce pdf files, not a good long term solution.

Isn't PDFLaTeX the _only_ reasonable solution,
when you want to include bitmap pictures,
but don't want to have huge 
(Megabytes instead of Kilobytes) target files?
Before PDFLaTeX came along
this was always a reason against LyX and TeX!
So what is wrong about PDF?

regards,
Marcus Beyer

http://www.Stormlight.de/lyx_de.html



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Stephan E. Schlierf

Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 09:11 schrieb Paul E Johnson:
 First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
 fuzzy looking fonts?
 http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
 ???

Hi Paul,

a quick view on your file seems to reveal that the fonts are displayed as 
graphics. I think there could be more than one reason for this:
If you´ re using ps2pdf to create your pdf-file, be sure that you´re using 
ghostscript  5.0.
Try to choose another font from Layout - Document (for me, "newcent" works 
fine but you can also try pslatex
Hope this helps!

CU

Stephan
-- 
Stephan E. Schlierf M.A.
- Leiter Konzeptentwicklung -
speed2web GmbH Germany
FON: ++49 921 99 00 86 12
FAX: ++49 921 99 00 86 70
http://www.speed2web.de



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:

  First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
  fuzzy looking fonts?
  http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf

You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.

 a quick view on your file seems to reveal that the fonts are displayed as 
 graphics. I think there could be more than one reason for this:

Yes, that is the reason. 

 If you re using ps2pdf to create your pdf-file, be sure that youre using 
 ghostscript  5.0.

But I have here (in RedHat 6.2 clone) ghostscript 5.50 and I am still
getting bitmapped fonts (no matter whether I use ps2pdf or pdflatex).

Use "Layout/Document/Fonts" and select eg. pslatex from there. You'll lose
the cool computer modern fonts but at least they will be outline fonts
then--except some math.

[and about ghostscript: anyone has tips how to install gs 6.50? It seems
to be very difficult, especially compared to smooth LyX installation]





Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:

 Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 12:14 schrieb Tuukka Toivonen:
  On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:
First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
fuzzy looking fonts?
http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
 
  You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.
 
 I dont want to doubt your experiences but no matter if I use Acroread, 
 kghostview or whatever the result is all the same (and looks fine, btw)

Well, maybe newer versions of acroread support antialiased bitmapped fonts
too.

It is true that with gv bitmapped fonts do look more fuzzy than outline
fonts (probably because ghostscript tries to be smart and not to antialias
vertical and horizontal lines) but, IMHO, the fully antialiased bitmapped
fonts look actually better (because the vertical and horizontal line edges
have better than integer pixel position).

Any way to enable full antialiasing in ghostscript even with outline
fonts?

  Use "Layout/Document/Fonts" and select eg. pslatex from there. You'll lose
  the cool computer modern fonts but at least they will be outline fonts
  then--except some math.
 
 and what happens when using, say, "newcent" ?

Interesting experiment. Now I still get bitmapped font with ps2pdf--but
with pdflatex I get outline fonts!





Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Stephan E. Schlierf

Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 15:01 schrieb Tuukka Toivonen:
 On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:
  Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 12:14 schrieb Tuukka Toivonen:
   On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:
 First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has
 such fuzzy looking fonts?
 http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
  
   You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.
 
  I dont want to doubt your experiences but no matter if I use Acroread,
  kghostview or whatever the result is all the same (and looks fine, btw)

 Well, maybe newer versions of acroread support antialiased bitmapped fonts
 too.

Im using Acrobat Reader 4.0...


 It is true that with gv bitmapped fonts do look more fuzzy than outline
 fonts (probably because ghostscript tries to be smart and not to antialias
 vertical and horizontal lines) but, IMHO, the fully antialiased bitmapped
 fonts look actually better (because the vertical and horizontal line edges
 have better than integer pixel position).

 Any way to enable full antialiasing in ghostscript even with outline
 fonts?

Im sorry, but Im not so familiar with ghostscript or gv. The version of 
ghostscript I use is 6.0 - and after a little bit of copying the right files 
to their right place (I think this depends on the distribution - mine is 
SuSE) is worked perfectly.


   Use "Layout/Document/Fonts" and select eg. pslatex from there. You'll
   lose the cool computer modern fonts but at least they will be outline
   fonts then--except some math.
 
  and what happens when using, say, "newcent" ?

 Interesting experiment. Now I still get bitmapped font with ps2pdf--but
 with pdflatex I get outline fonts!

Just a guess: what about including "\usepackage[ps2pdf] in you LaTeX-preamble?
-- 
Stephan E. Schlierf M.A.
- Leiter Konzeptentwicklung -
speed2web GmbH Germany
FON: ++49 921 99 00 86 12
FAX: ++49 921 99 00 86 70
http://www.speed2web.de



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Marcus Beyer

 First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has
 such fuzzy looking fonts?
 http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
  
   You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.
 
  I dont want to doubt your experiences but no matter if I use Acroread,
  kghostview or whatever the result is all the same (and looks fine, btw)

 Well, maybe newer versions of acroread support antialiased bitmapped fonts
 too.

I think the problem is to use bitmap fonts at all.
"pslatex" uses PostScript fonts, so no problems occur.
Is there any good reason to use bitmap fonts???
Why in the world should Acroread support bitmap fonts?

regards,
Marcus Beyer

http://www.Stormlight.de



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Stephan E. Schlierf

Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 09:11 schrieb Paul E Johnson:
 First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
 fuzzy looking fonts?
 http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
 ???

Hi Paul,

a quick view on your file seems to reveal that the fonts are displayed as 
graphics. I think there could be more than one reason for this:
If you´ re using ps2pdf to create your pdf-file, be sure that you´re using 
ghostscript  5.0.
Try to choose another font from Layout - Document (for me, "newcent" works 
fine but you can also try pslatex
Hope this helps!

CU

Stephan
-- 
Stephan E. Schlierf M.A.
- Leiter Konzeptentwicklung -
speed2web GmbH Germany
FON: ++49 921 99 00 86 12
FAX: ++49 921 99 00 86 70
http://www.speed2web.de



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:

  First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
  fuzzy looking fonts?
  http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf

You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.

 a quick view on your file seems to reveal that the fonts are displayed as 
 graphics. I think there could be more than one reason for this:

Yes, that is the reason. 

 If you re using ps2pdf to create your pdf-file, be sure that youre using 
 ghostscript  5.0.

But I have here (in RedHat 6.2 clone) ghostscript 5.50 and I am still
getting bitmapped fonts (no matter whether I use ps2pdf or pdflatex).

Use "Layout/Document/Fonts" and select eg. pslatex from there. You'll lose
the cool computer modern fonts but at least they will be outline fonts
then--except some math.

[and about ghostscript: anyone has tips how to install gs 6.50? It seems
to be very difficult, especially compared to smooth LyX installation]





Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:

 Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 12:14 schrieb Tuukka Toivonen:
  On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:
First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
fuzzy looking fonts?
http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
 
  You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.
 
 I dont want to doubt your experiences but no matter if I use Acroread, 
 kghostview or whatever the result is all the same (and looks fine, btw)

Well, maybe newer versions of acroread support antialiased bitmapped fonts
too.

It is true that with gv bitmapped fonts do look more fuzzy than outline
fonts (probably because ghostscript tries to be smart and not to antialias
vertical and horizontal lines) but, IMHO, the fully antialiased bitmapped
fonts look actually better (because the vertical and horizontal line edges
have better than integer pixel position).

Any way to enable full antialiasing in ghostscript even with outline
fonts?

  Use "Layout/Document/Fonts" and select eg. pslatex from there. You'll lose
  the cool computer modern fonts but at least they will be outline fonts
  then--except some math.
 
 and what happens when using, say, "newcent" ?

Interesting experiment. Now I still get bitmapped font with ps2pdf--but
with pdflatex I get outline fonts!





Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Stephan E. Schlierf

Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 15:01 schrieb Tuukka Toivonen:
 On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:
  Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 12:14 schrieb Tuukka Toivonen:
   On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:
 First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has
 such fuzzy looking fonts?
 http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
  
   You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.
 
  I dont want to doubt your experiences but no matter if I use Acroread,
  kghostview or whatever the result is all the same (and looks fine, btw)

 Well, maybe newer versions of acroread support antialiased bitmapped fonts
 too.

Im using Acrobat Reader 4.0...


 It is true that with gv bitmapped fonts do look more fuzzy than outline
 fonts (probably because ghostscript tries to be smart and not to antialias
 vertical and horizontal lines) but, IMHO, the fully antialiased bitmapped
 fonts look actually better (because the vertical and horizontal line edges
 have better than integer pixel position).

 Any way to enable full antialiasing in ghostscript even with outline
 fonts?

Im sorry, but Im not so familiar with ghostscript or gv. The version of 
ghostscript I use is 6.0 - and after a little bit of copying the right files 
to their right place (I think this depends on the distribution - mine is 
SuSE) is worked perfectly.


   Use "Layout/Document/Fonts" and select eg. pslatex from there. You'll
   lose the cool computer modern fonts but at least they will be outline
   fonts then--except some math.
 
  and what happens when using, say, "newcent" ?

 Interesting experiment. Now I still get bitmapped font with ps2pdf--but
 with pdflatex I get outline fonts!

Just a guess: what about including "\usepackage[ps2pdf] in you LaTeX-preamble?
-- 
Stephan E. Schlierf M.A.
- Leiter Konzeptentwicklung -
speed2web GmbH Germany
FON: ++49 921 99 00 86 12
FAX: ++49 921 99 00 86 70
http://www.speed2web.de



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Marcus Beyer

 First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has
 such fuzzy looking fonts?
 http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
  
   You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.
 
  I dont want to doubt your experiences but no matter if I use Acroread,
  kghostview or whatever the result is all the same (and looks fine, btw)

 Well, maybe newer versions of acroread support antialiased bitmapped fonts
 too.

I think the problem is to use bitmap fonts at all.
"pslatex" uses PostScript fonts, so no problems occur.
Is there any good reason to use bitmap fonts???
Why in the world should Acroread support bitmap fonts?

regards,
Marcus Beyer

http://www.Stormlight.de



Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Stephan E. Schlierf

Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 09:11 schrieb Paul E Johnson:
> First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
> fuzzy looking fonts?
> http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
> ???

Hi Paul,

a quick view on your file seems to reveal that the fonts are displayed as 
graphics. I think there could be more than one reason for this:
If you´ re using ps2pdf to create your pdf-file, be sure that you´re using 
ghostscript > 5.0.
Try to choose another font from Layout -> Document (for me, "newcent" works 
fine but you can also try pslatex
Hope this helps!

CU

Stephan
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Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:

> > First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
> > fuzzy looking fonts?
> > http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf

You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.

> a quick view on your file seems to reveal that the fonts are displayed as 
> graphics. I think there could be more than one reason for this:

Yes, that is the reason. 

> If you´ re using ps2pdf to create your pdf-file, be sure that you´re using 
> ghostscript > 5.0.

But I have here (in RedHat 6.2 clone) ghostscript 5.50 and I am still
getting bitmapped fonts (no matter whether I use ps2pdf or pdflatex).

Use "Layout/Document/Fonts" and select eg. pslatex from there. You'll lose
the cool computer modern fonts but at least they will be outline fonts
then--except some math.

[and about ghostscript: anyone has tips how to install gs 6.50? It seems
to be very difficult, especially compared to smooth LyX installation]





Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Tuukka Toivonen

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:

> Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 12:14 schrieb Tuukka Toivonen:
> > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:
> > > > First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
> > > > fuzzy looking fonts?
> > > > http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
> >
> > You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.
> 
> I don´t want to doubt your experiences but no matter if I use Acroread, 
> kghostview or whatever the result is all the same (and looks fine, btw)

Well, maybe newer versions of acroread support antialiased bitmapped fonts
too.

It is true that with gv bitmapped fonts do look more fuzzy than outline
fonts (probably because ghostscript tries to be smart and not to antialias
vertical and horizontal lines) but, IMHO, the fully antialiased bitmapped
fonts look actually better (because the vertical and horizontal line edges
have better than integer pixel position).

Any way to enable full antialiasing in ghostscript even with outline
fonts?

> > Use "Layout/Document/Fonts" and select eg. pslatex from there. You'll lose
> > the cool computer modern fonts but at least they will be outline fonts
> > then--except some math.
> 
> and what happens when using, say, "newcent" ?

Interesting experiment. Now I still get bitmapped font with ps2pdf--but
with pdflatex I get outline fonts!





Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Stephan E. Schlierf

Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 15:01 schrieb Tuukka Toivonen:
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:
> > Am Montag, 22. Januar 2001 12:14 schrieb Tuukka Toivonen:
> > > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Stephan E. Schlierf wrote:
> > > > > First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has
> > > > > such fuzzy looking fonts?
> > > > > http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
> > >
> > > You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.
> >
> > I don´t want to doubt your experiences but no matter if I use Acroread,
> > kghostview or whatever the result is all the same (and looks fine, btw)
>
> Well, maybe newer versions of acroread support antialiased bitmapped fonts
> too.

I´m using Acrobat Reader 4.0...

>
> It is true that with gv bitmapped fonts do look more fuzzy than outline
> fonts (probably because ghostscript tries to be smart and not to antialias
> vertical and horizontal lines) but, IMHO, the fully antialiased bitmapped
> fonts look actually better (because the vertical and horizontal line edges
> have better than integer pixel position).
>
> Any way to enable full antialiasing in ghostscript even with outline
> fonts?

I´m sorry, but I´m not so familiar with ghostscript or gv. The version of 
ghostscript I use is 6.0 - and after a little bit of copying the right files 
to their right place (I think this depends on the distribution - mine is 
SuSE) is worked perfectly.

>
> > > Use "Layout/Document/Fonts" and select eg. pslatex from there. You'll
> > > lose the cool computer modern fonts but at least they will be outline
> > > fonts then--except some math.
> >
> > and what happens when using, say, "newcent" ?
>
> Interesting experiment. Now I still get bitmapped font with ps2pdf--but
> with pdflatex I get outline fonts!

Just a guess: what about including "\usepackage[ps2pdf] in you LaTeX-preamble?
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Re: trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-22 Thread Marcus Beyer

> > > > > First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has
> > > > > such fuzzy looking fonts?
> > > > > http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
> > >
> > > You're using wrong pdf viewer. Use "gv", not Acroread.
> >
> > I don´t want to doubt your experiences but no matter if I use Acroread,
> > kghostview or whatever the result is all the same (and looks fine, btw)
>
> Well, maybe newer versions of acroread support antialiased bitmapped fonts
> too.

I think the problem is to use bitmap fonts at all.
"pslatex" uses PostScript fonts, so no problems occur.
Is there any good reason to use bitmap fonts???
Why in the world should Acroread support bitmap fonts?

regards,
Marcus Beyer

http://www.Stormlight.de



trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-21 Thread Paul E Johnson

First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
fuzzy looking fonts?
http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
???


Second, latex2html seems to run and it generates an html file, but it 
seems to call for a .css file that it does not create.  I have version:
latex2html-99.2beta8-3mdk.noarch
When It runs I see these things, but people in this list have told me
before they can be ignored. Do we still think so?:
Calling latex2html -no_subdir -split 0 -show_section_numbers
'/tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/syl01.tex'
This is LaTeX2HTML Version 99.2beta8 (1.42)
by Nikos Drakos, Computer Based Learning Unit, University of Leeds.
Revised and extended by:
 Marcus Hennecke, Ross Moore, Herb Swan and others
...producing markup for HTML version 3.2
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/versions/html3_2.pl
 *** processing declarations ***
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/versions/latin1.pl
OPENING /tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/syl01.tex
Cannot create directory /tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/:
File exists, reusing it.
Reusing directory /tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/:
Note: Working directory is
/tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA
Note: Images will be generated in /tmp/l2h2110
texexpand V99.2beta8 (Revision 1.10)
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/texdefs.perl...
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/article.perl
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/english.perl [english]
Warning: No implementation found for option: `T1' for `fontenc' package
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/inputenc.perl
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/babel.perl
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/versions/lang.pl

-- 
Paul E. Johnson   email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dept. of Political Sciencehttp://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn
University of Kansas  Office: (785) 864-9086
Lawrence, Kansas 66045FAX: (785) 864-5700



trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-21 Thread Paul E Johnson

First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
fuzzy looking fonts?
http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
???


Second, latex2html seems to run and it generates an html file, but it 
seems to call for a .css file that it does not create.  I have version:
latex2html-99.2beta8-3mdk.noarch
When It runs I see these things, but people in this list have told me
before they can be ignored. Do we still think so?:
Calling latex2html -no_subdir -split 0 -show_section_numbers
'/tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/syl01.tex'
This is LaTeX2HTML Version 99.2beta8 (1.42)
by Nikos Drakos, Computer Based Learning Unit, University of Leeds.
Revised and extended by:
 Marcus Hennecke, Ross Moore, Herb Swan and others
...producing markup for HTML version 3.2
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/versions/html3_2.pl
 *** processing declarations ***
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/versions/latin1.pl
OPENING /tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/syl01.tex
Cannot create directory /tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/:
File exists, reusing it.
Reusing directory /tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/:
Note: Working directory is
/tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA
Note: Images will be generated in /tmp/l2h2110
texexpand V99.2beta8 (Revision 1.10)
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/texdefs.perl...
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/article.perl
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/english.perl [english]
Warning: No implementation found for option: `T1' for `fontenc' package
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/inputenc.perl
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/babel.perl
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/versions/lang.pl

-- 
Paul E. Johnson   email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dept. of Political Sciencehttp://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn
University of Kansas  Office: (785) 864-9086
Lawrence, Kansas 66045FAX: (785) 864-5700



trouble exporting lyx to pdf and html

2001-01-21 Thread Paul E Johnson

First, can you please tell me why my pdf output from Lyx 1.1.6 has such
fuzzy looking fonts?
http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/ps707/syl01.pdf
???


Second, latex2html seems to run and it generates an html file, but it 
seems to call for a .css file that it does not create.  I have version:
latex2html-99.2beta8-3mdk.noarch
When It runs I see these things, but people in this list have told me
before they can be ignored. Do we still think so?:
Calling latex2html -no_subdir -split 0 -show_section_numbers
'/tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/syl01.tex'
This is LaTeX2HTML Version 99.2beta8 (1.42)
by Nikos Drakos, Computer Based Learning Unit, University of Leeds.
Revised and extended by:
 Marcus Hennecke, Ross Moore, Herb Swan and others
...producing markup for HTML version 3.2
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/versions/html3_2.pl
 *** processing declarations ***
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/versions/latin1.pl
OPENING /tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/syl01.tex
Cannot create directory /tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/:
File exists, reusing it.
Reusing directory /tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA/:
Note: Working directory is
/tmp/lyx_tmpdir11898rTCBd/lyx_tmpbuf118942E3tA
Note: Images will be generated in /tmp/l2h2110
texexpand V99.2beta8 (Revision 1.10)
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/texdefs.perl...
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/article.perl
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/english.perl [english]
Warning: No implementation found for option: `T1' for `fontenc' package
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/inputenc.perl
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/styles/babel.perl
Loading /usr/lib/latex2html/versions/lang.pl

-- 
Paul E. Johnson   email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dept. of Political Sciencehttp://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn
University of Kansas  Office: (785) 864-9086
Lawrence, Kansas 66045FAX: (785) 864-5700