Re: [M100] Rex vs DVI

[Greg Swallow]

Am trying this out and having trouble with saving the DVI image. I have a 
TS-DOS image fine, but the only way I have been able to get DVI-DOS to load is 
without REXMGR loaded/in menu. Figuring I must be missing something?

God Bless,

GregS <><

- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Adolph" 
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 2:05:37 PM
Subject: Re: [M100] Rex vs DVI

I think how I would solve this problem
1) have a ram image that is TSDOS centric
2) have a ram image that is DVI centric
3) switch between the ram images
4) use the file access function of REX to transfer files between ram images.

Re: [M100] Rex vs DVI

[Josh Malone]

I don't think you're missing anything. I just don't think DVI-DOS and
REXMGR can coexist. It didn't occur to me when Stephen posted his method
that REXMGR was also a problem, not just TS-DOS. Once you load DVI-DOS, is
it possible to re-load REXMGR or does that Smurf up the loaded DVI-DOS?

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 11:27 AM Greg Swallow  Am trying this out and having trouble with saving the DVI image. I have a
> TS-DOS image fine, but the only way I have been able to get DVI-DOS to load
> is without REXMGR loaded/in menu. Figuring I must be missing something?
>
> God Bless,
>
> GregS <><
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Stephen Adolph" 
> To: m...@bitchin100.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 2:05:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [M100] Rex vs DVI
>
> I think how I would solve this problem
> 1) have a ram image that is TSDOS centric
> 2) have a ram image that is DVI centric
> 3) switch between the ram images
> 4) use the file access function of REX to transfer files between ram
> images.
>
>

Re: [M100] Rex vs DVI

[Greg Swallow]

Yep, DVI-DOS gets dumped.

1) Cold Start to clear MT
2) Turn on DVI
3) Insert boot disk at prompt
4) Hit reset on MT
5) Verify DVI-DOS loaded with LFILES
6) In BASIC and CALL 63012
7) REXMGR in Menu, go to BASIC and DVI-DOS not working; LFILES gives a FC error.


God Bless,

GregS <><

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Malone" 
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:55:01 AM
Subject: Re: [M100] Rex vs DVI

I don't think you're missing anything. I just don't think DVI-DOS and
REXMGR can coexist. It didn't occur to me when Stephen posted his method
that REXMGR was also a problem, not just TS-DOS. Once you load DVI-DOS, is
it possible to re-load REXMGR or does that Smurf up the loaded DVI-DOS?

[M100] New Model T owner

[Andrew Kennedy]

Howdy everyone, I just wanted to say hello!



I just purchased a 102 on eBay, and I'm trying to read up on things and get 
acquainted with the files on club100 and bitchin100 while I wait for it to 
arrive.



My machine should be in good condition when I get it, but I wanted to open it 
up and check on the NiCd. Is there a way to tell if it's been replaced recently 
or not?



A little about myself: I'm 27, if that makes me young for this crowd, and I 
live in Greensboro, NC. I built one of Glitch (of glitchwrks.com)'s 8085 SBCs 
at VCF East last year, so I'm interested in using another 8085 machine as my 
terminal for it.



Am I correct in believing that TELCOM on the M102 should work as a dumb 
terminal "out of the box", with a 3-wire null modem cable in the RS-232 port? 
I'm going to have to wait a while before I can purchase a REX.




Thanks for taking the time to read, I probably won't have much to contribute to 
the discussions on here but I am looking forward to reading them :)



- Andrew

Re: [M100] New Model T owner

[Kurt McCullum]

Welcome to the list Andrew. TELCOM will work as a dumb terminal.
However, the small serial buffer in the Model-T will get
overloaded at high baud rates. HTerm, which uses RTS/CTS flow
control, can run at 19200.
Kurt


On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Andrew Kennedy wrote:
> Howdy everyone, I just wanted to say hello!
> 
> I just purchased a 102 on eBay, and I'm trying to read up on things
> and get acquainted with the files on club100 and bitchin100 while I
> wait for it to arrive.> 
> My machine should be in good condition when I get it, but I wanted to
> open it up and check on the NiCd. Is there a way to tell if it's been
> replaced recently or not?> 
> A little about myself: I'm 27, if that makes me young for this crowd,
> and I live in Greensboro, NC. I built one of Glitch (of
> glitchwrks.com)'s 8085 SBCs at VCF East last year, so I'm interested
> in using another 8085 machine as my terminal for it.> 
> Am I correct in believing that TELCOM on the M102 should work as a
> dumb terminal "out of the box", with a 3-wire null modem cable in
> the RS-232 port? I'm going to have to wait a while before I can
> purchase a REX.> 
> Thanks for taking the time to read, I probably won't have much to
> contribute to the discussions on here but I am looking forward to
> reading them :)> 
> - Andrew

Re: [M100] New Model T owner

[Jeffrey Birt]

Welcome to the club. You ‘might’ be able to tell if the battery is original 
based on the brand name (don’t have one in front of me at present to confirm 
OEM brands used) or by the soldering job (sometime someone replacing a battery 
might not do a good job. They are not expensive if you need to replace them. I 
bought several weeks ago and put the extras up on my website (below) and 
another group member has some on his website too (arcade shopper).

 

Also look for signs of leaking around the electrolytic capacitors. I did a 
video on doing a recap along with a map with part numbers on a M100, but not a 
102 (yet). The process will be similar though the part numbers will (likely) be 
different.

 

Batteries: https://www.soigeneris.com/memory-backup-battery-mbat1

M100 video: https://youtu.be/hbLWk7ir9sI

 

The club website has an extensive files section where you can find the service 
manuals, etc.

 

Jeff Birt (Hey Birt!)

 

 

From: M100  On Behalf Of Andrew Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:48 PM
To: m100 
Subject: [M100] New Model T owner

 

Howdy everyone, I just wanted to say hello!

 

I just purchased a 102 on eBay, and I'm trying to read up on things and get 
acquainted with the files on club100 and bitchin100 while I wait for it to 
arrive.

 

My machine should be in good condition when I get it, but I wanted to open it 
up and check on the NiCd. Is there a way to tell if it's been replaced recently 
or not?

 

A little about myself: I'm 27, if that makes me young for this crowd, and I 
live in Greensboro, NC. I built one of Glitch (of glitchwrks.com)'s 8085 SBCs 
at VCF East last year, so I'm interested in using another 8085 machine as my 
terminal for it.

 

Am I correct in believing that TELCOM on the M102 should work as a dumb 
terminal "out of the box", with a 3-wire null modem cable in the RS-232 port? 
I'm going to have to wait a while before I can purchase a REX.

 

Thanks for taking the time to read, I probably won't have much to contribute to 
the discussions on here but I am looking forward to reading them :)

 

- Andrew

 

Re: [M100] Rex vs DVI

[Fugu ME100]

The DVI-DOS loads from 0xE000 -> 0xF700.  It also taps into the command
processor for BASIC to add in the extra DVI commands.  If REXMGR or
anything else writes over those locations with its own jumps etc then the
DVI commands will not be found (FC error).  It would appear that is what
is happening.  As mentioned yesterday there might be some tools that can
save and restore the DVI commands allowing some co-existence?



On 20/2/19, 9:28 AM, "M100 on behalf of Greg Swallow"
 wrote:

>Yep, DVI-DOS gets dumped.
>
>1) Cold Start to clear MT
>2) Turn on DVI
>3) Insert boot disk at prompt
>4) Hit reset on MT
>5) Verify DVI-DOS loaded with LFILES
>6) In BASIC and CALL 63012
>7) REXMGR in Menu, go to BASIC and DVI-DOS not working; LFILES gives a FC
>error.
>
>
>God Bless,
>
>GregS <><
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Josh Malone" 
>To: m...@bitchin100.com
>Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:55:01 AM
>Subject: Re: [M100] Rex vs DVI
>
>I don't think you're missing anything. I just don't think DVI-DOS and
>REXMGR can coexist. It didn't occur to me when Stephen posted his method
>that REXMGR was also a problem, not just TS-DOS. Once you load DVI-DOS, is
>it possible to re-load REXMGR or does that Smurf up the loaded DVI-DOS?
>

Re: [M100] New Model T owner

[Mike Stein]

Well, that depends... if you can do XON/XOFF handshaking and have a 'real' 
serial port you should be able to do 19,200bd without problems.

But Hterm is worth looking into anyway; not only can it use hardware 
handshaking, it can also go up to 38,400bd (or more) and can translate UTF & 
ANSII codes.

Have FUN!! 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kurt McCullum 
  To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 3:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [M100] New Model T owner


  Welcome to the list Andrew. TELCOM will work as a dumb terminal. However, the 
small serial buffer in the Model-T will get overloaded at high baud rates. 
HTerm, which uses RTS/CTS flow control, can run at 19200.



  Kurt





  On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Andrew Kennedy wrote:

Howdy everyone, I just wanted to say hello!



I just purchased a 102 on eBay, and I'm trying to read up on things and get 
acquainted with the files on club100 and bitchin100 while I wait for it to 
arrive.



My machine should be in good condition when I get it, but I wanted to open 
it up and check on the NiCd. Is there a way to tell if it's been replaced 
recently or not?



A little about myself: I'm 27, if that makes me young for this crowd, and I 
live in Greensboro, NC. I built one of Glitch (of glitchwrks.com)'s 8085 SBCs 
at VCF East last year, so I'm interested in using another 8085 machine as my 
terminal for it.



Am I correct in believing that TELCOM on the M102 should work as a dumb 
terminal "out of the box", with a 3-wire null modem cable in the RS-232 port? 
I'm going to have to wait a while before I can purchase a REX.



Thanks for taking the time to read, I probably won't have much to 
contribute to the discussions on here but I am looking forward to reading them 
:)



- Andrew

Re: [M100] New Model T owner

[George Michael Rimakis]

Where can one find HTERM?

-Grimakis

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 4:35 PM Mike Stein  wrote:

> Well, that depends... if you can do XON/XOFF handshaking and have a 'real'
> serial port you should be able to do 19,200bd without problems.
>
> But Hterm is worth looking into anyway; not only can it use hardware
> handshaking, it can also go up to 38,400bd (or more) and can translate UTF
> & ANSII codes.
>
> Have FUN!!
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kurt McCullum 
> *To:* m100@lists.bitchin100.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2019 3:07 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] New Model T owner
>
> Welcome to the list Andrew. TELCOM will work as a dumb terminal. However,
> the small serial buffer in the Model-T will get overloaded at high baud
> rates. HTerm, which uses RTS/CTS flow control, can run at 19200.
>
> Kurt
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Andrew Kennedy wrote:
>
> Howdy everyone, I just wanted to say hello!
>
> I just purchased a 102 on eBay, and I'm trying to read up on things and
> get acquainted with the files on club100 and bitchin100 while I wait for it
> to arrive.
>
> My machine should be in good condition when I get it, but I wanted to open
> it up and check on the NiCd. Is there a way to tell if it's been replaced
> recently or not?
>
> A little about myself: I'm 27, if that makes me young for this crowd, and
> I live in Greensboro, NC. I built one of Glitch (of glitchwrks.com)'s
> 8085 SBCs at VCF East last year, so I'm interested in using another 8085
> machine as my terminal for it.
>
> Am I correct in believing that TELCOM on the M102 should work as a dumb
> terminal "out of the box", with a 3-wire null modem cable in the RS-232
> port? I'm going to have to wait a while before I can purchase a REX.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read, I probably won't have much to
> contribute to the discussions on here but I am looking forward to reading
> them :)
>
> - Andrew
>
>
>

Re: [M100] New Model T owner

[Kevin Becker]

http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTERM 



> On Feb 20, 2019, at 4:41 PM, George Michael Rimakis  
> wrote:
> 
> Where can one find HTERM?
> 
> -Grimakis
> 
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 4:35 PM Mike Stein  > wrote:
> Well, that depends... if you can do XON/XOFF handshaking and have a 'real' 
> serial port you should be able to do 19,200bd without problems.
>  
> But Hterm is worth looking into anyway; not only can it use hardware 
> handshaking, it can also go up to 38,400bd (or more) and can translate UTF & 
> ANSII codes.
>  
> Have FUN!! 
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt McCullum 
> To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [M100] New Model T owner
> 
> Welcome to the list Andrew. TELCOM will work as a dumb terminal. However, the 
> small serial buffer in the Model-T will get overloaded at highbaud rates. 
> HTerm, which uses RTS/CTS flow control, can run at 19200.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Andrew Kennedy wrote:
>> Howdy everyone, I just wanted to say hello!
>> 
>> I just purchased a 102 on eBay, and I'm trying to read up on things and get 
>> acquainted with the files on club100 and bitchin100 while I wait for it to 
>> arrive.
>> 
>> My machine should be in good condition when I get it, but I wanted to open 
>> it up and check on the NiCd. Is there a way to tell if it's been replaced 
>> recently or not?
>> 
>> A little about myself: I'm 27, if that makes me young for this crowd, and I 
>> live in Greensboro, NC. I built one of Glitch (of glitchwrks.com 
>> )'s 8085 SBCs at VCF East last year, so I'm 
>> interested in using another 8085 machine as my terminal for it.
>> 
>> Am I correct in believing that TELCOM on the M102 should work as a dumb 
>> terminal "out of the box", with a 3-wire null modem cable in the RS-232 
>> port? I'm going to have to wait a while before I can purchase a REX.
>> 
>> Thanks for taking the time to read, I probably won't have much to contribute 
>> to the discussions on here but I am looking forward to reading them :)
>> 
>> - Andrew
> 

Re: [M100] New Model T owner

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:35 PM Mike Stein  wrote:

> Well, that depends... if you can do XON/XOFF handshaking and have a 'real'
> serial port you should be able to do 19,200bd without problems.
>
> But Hterm is worth looking into anyway; not only can it use hardware
> handshaking, it can also go up to 38,400bd (or more) and can translate UTF
> & ANSII codes.
>
>

He did mention a 3-wire capable. HTERM won't work.

For his 8085 machine TELCOM with XON/XOFF (it the host supports it) may be
the ticket.

Or just a low baud rate.

-- John.

Re: [M100] New Model T owner

[Mike Stein]

Glitch's SBC does have a 5-pin RS-232 connector so maybe hardware handshaking 
is an option with an appropriate cable?

If hardware handshaking is available then AFAIK Hterm will work up to 38,400bd 
with a 5-wire cable.

If H/W handshaking is not available but XON/XOFF is then Telcom will work fine 
up to 19,200bd with a three-wire null modem cable.

If neither handshake version is available then indeed, you'll have to limit 
yourself to a low baud rate, probably 1200 or less, to avoid buffer overflow; 
presumably Hterm could still be useful in this case for its conversion feature.

m
  - Original Message - 
  From: John R. Hogerhuis 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [M100] New Model T owner






  On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:35 PM Mike Stein  wrote:

Well, that depends... if you can do XON/XOFF handshaking and have a 'real' 
serial port you should be able to do 19,200bd without problems.

But Hterm is worth looking into anyway; not only can it use hardware 
handshaking, it can also go up to 38,400bd (or more) and can translate UTF & 
ANSII codes.



  He did mention a 3-wire capable. HTERM won't work.

  For his 8085 machine TELCOM with XON/XOFF (it the host supports it) may be 
the ticket.

  Or just a low baud rate.


  -- John. 

Re: [M100] New Model T owner

[John R. Hogerhuis]

The model 100 and 102 can actually go to 76800bps with a serial device that
supports that rate.

The t200 cannot.

-- John.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 2:27 PM Mike Stein  wrote:

> Glitch's SBC does have a 5-pin RS-232 connector so maybe hardware
> handshaking is an option with an appropriate cable?
>
> If hardware handshaking is available then AFAIK Hterm will work up to
> 38,400bd with a 5-wire cable.
>
> If H/W handshaking is not available but XON/XOFF is then Telcom will work
> fine up to 19,200bd with a three-wire null modem cable.
>
> If neither handshake version is available then indeed, you'll have to
> limit yourself to a low baud rate, probably 1200 or less, to avoid buffer
> overflow; presumably Hterm could still be useful in this case for its
> conversion feature.
>
> m
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* John R. Hogerhuis 
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:03 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] New Model T owner
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:35 PM Mike Stein  wrote:
>
>> Well, that depends... if you can do XON/XOFF handshaking and have a
>> 'real' serial port you should be able to do 19,200bd without problems.
>>
>> But Hterm is worth looking into anyway; not only can it use hardware
>> handshaking, it can also go up to 38,400bd (or more) and can translate UTF
>> & ANSII codes.
>>
>>
>
> He did mention a 3-wire capable. HTERM won't work.
>
> For his 8085 machine TELCOM with XON/XOFF (it the host supports it) may be
> the ticket.
>
> Or just a low baud rate.
>
> -- John.
>
>

Re: [M100] New Model T owner

[Andrew Kennedy]

Thanks for the responses, guys. In fact, the 8085 SBC is capable of CTS/RTS but 
the RTS signal is not connected to the serial cable. I will have to figure out 
how to crimp an extra wire onto the molex connector, and use a slow baudrate in 
the mean time.

I'll also say that I'm interested in the REXCPM and MTVGA protects that are in 
the works :)

- Andrew

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 2:27 PM Mike Stein  wrote:

> Glitch's SBC does have a 5-pin RS-232 connector so maybe hardware handshaking 
> is an option with an appropriate cable?
> 
> If hardware handshaking is available then AFAIK Hterm will work up to 
> 38,400bd with a 5-wire cable.
> 
> If H/W handshaking is not available but XON/XOFF is then Telcom will work 
> fine up to 19,200bd with a three-wire null modem cable.
> 
> If neither handshake version is available then indeed, you'll have to limit 
> yourself to a low baud rate, probably 1200 or less, to avoid buffer overflow; 
> presumably Hterm could still be useful in this case for its conversion 
> feature.
> 
> m
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: John R. Hogerhuis 
>   To: m100 at bitchin100.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:03 PM
>   Subject: Re: [M100] New Model T owner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:35 PM Mike Stein  wrote:
> 
> Well, that depends... if you can do XON/XOFF handshaking and have a 
> 'real' serial port you should be able to do 19,200bd without problems.
> 
> But Hterm is worth looking into anyway; not only can it use hardware 
> handshaking, it can also go up to 38,400bd (or more) and can translate UTF & 
> ANSII codes.
> 
> 
> 
>   He did mention a 3-wire capable. HTERM won't work.
> 
>   For his 8085 machine TELCOM with XON/XOFF (it the host supports it) may be 
> the ticket.
> 
>   Or just a low baud rate.
> 
> 
>   -- John. 

Re: [M100] New Model T owner

[Gary Weber]

Welcome to the community, Andrew!   I'm glad this group of ours continues
to grow.

Gary Weber
www.web8201.com


On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:41 PM Andrew Kennedy 
wrote:

> Thanks for the responses, guys. In fact, the 8085 SBC is capable of
> CTS/RTS but the RTS signal is not connected to the serial cable. I will
> have to figure out how to crimp an extra wire onto the molex connector, and
> use a slow baudrate in the mean time.
>
> I'll also say that I'm interested in the REXCPM and MTVGA protects that
> are in the works :)
>
> - Andrew
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 2:27 PM Mike Stein  wrote:
>
> > Glitch's SBC does have a 5-pin RS-232 connector so maybe hardware
> handshaking is an option with an appropriate cable?
> >
> > If hardware handshaking is available then AFAIK Hterm will work up to
> 38,400bd with a 5-wire cable.
> >
> > If H/W handshaking is not available but XON/XOFF is then Telcom will
> work fine up to 19,200bd with a three-wire null modem cable.
> >
> > If neither handshake version is available then indeed, you'll have to
> limit yourself to a low baud rate, probably 1200 or less, to avoid buffer
> overflow; presumably Hterm could still be useful in this case for its
> conversion feature.
> >
> > m
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: John R. Hogerhuis
> >   To: m100 at bitchin100.com
> >   Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:03 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [M100] New Model T owner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:35 PM Mike Stein 
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, that depends... if you can do XON/XOFF handshaking and have a
> 'real' serial port you should be able to do 19,200bd without problems.
> >
> > But Hterm is worth looking into anyway; not only can it use hardware
> handshaking, it can also go up to 38,400bd (or more) and can translate UTF
> & ANSII codes.
> >
> >
> >
> >   He did mention a 3-wire capable. HTERM won't work.
> >
> >   For his 8085 machine TELCOM with XON/XOFF (it the host supports it)
> may be the ticket.
> >
> >   Or just a low baud rate.
> >
> >
> >   -- John.
>
>

-- 
Gary Weber
g...@web8201.com