Re: Navigon 2.01 is out.

[Sarah Alawami]

I notice the changes but the slugishness still remains. *cries*

Take care..
On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Greetings y'all,
> 
> Navigon NorthAmerica 2.01 was released on Monday, and I would presume there 
> are applicable updates for other world wide offerings.
> 
> VoiceOver was specifically mentioned in their documentation of recent 
> changes, so hopefully the sluggishness will abate for those who are not using 
> the dual-core A5 chip.  I can report that it is now possible to return to the 
> main menu even when following a route.  Since my experience using Navigon 
> version 2.0
> with voiceOver on a 4S was dramatically better than what others using older 
> hardware reported, I hesitate to say: "come on in, the water's fine".  I can 
> definitively assert, however that 2.01 is, if anything more voiceOver 
> accessible than the last version 1 release (1.73 if memory serves).
> 
> Happy downloading!
> Geoff
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Navigon 2.01 is out.

[Geoff Waaler]

Greetings y'all,

Navigon NorthAmerica 2.01 was released on Monday, and I would presume there are 
applicable updates for other world wide offerings.

VoiceOver was specifically mentioned in their documentation of recent changes, 
so hopefully the sluggishness will abate for those who are not using the 
dual-core A5 chip.  I can report that it is now possible to return to the main 
menu even when following a route.  Since my experience using Navigon version 2.0
with voiceOver on a 4S was dramatically better than what others using older 
hardware reported, I hesitate to say: "come on in, the water's fine".  I can 
definitively assert, however that 2.01 is, if anything more voiceOver 
accessible than the last version 1 release (1.73 if memory serves).

Happy downloading!
Geoff
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Re: Instructions for clearing App switcher [was Re: Removing applications from App switcher in IPhone]

[Paula Hobley]

Thanks for that Esther, I will give this a go.

Take care

Paula

On 20/12/2011, at 11:59 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Paula and Others,
> 
> At the risk of adding to an already long thread, I thought I'd post 
> instructions on how I remove apps from the App switcher window.  
> 
> 1. If you are currently in an app, click the "Home" button to return to the 
> home screen
> 2. Double click the "Home" button, and you should hear VoiceOver say, "App 
> Switcher", then announce the name of your most recently used app, followed by 
> "double tap to open".
> 3. Perform the double tap and hold pass through gesture in the center of your 
> iPhone screen. You should hear the burbly sound that indicates a successful 
> execution of the pass through gesture, then VoiceOver should say, "editing 
> apps".  Focus will be on the app in the bottom left corner of the screen.  
> You don't have to locate this app before you do the pass through gesture, 
> because it already had focus when you opened the App Switcher.  So you don't 
> need to worry about performing the double tap and hold gesture in any 
> particular location on the screen -- I do this in the center of the screen.
> 4. Keep double tapping in the center of the screen to delete apps. As you 
> delete apps, focus will stay on the bottom left corner of the screen, and the 
> next app to be deleted will move into position here.  (You don't actually 
> have to wait for VoiceOver to announce each action's completed status as you 
> double tap to delete.)
> 5. Eventually, VoiceOver will announce, "App Switcher has no items".
> 6. Click the "Home" button to return to your home screen.
> 
> You can also perform a variant of the above using a paired Bluetooth 
> keyboard, but the double tap and hold pass through gesture must be performed 
> on the screen, since there is no equivalent keyboard shortcut.  The 
> instructions would work as follows:
> 1. If you are currently in an app, press Control+Option+H to return to the 
> home screen.  On keyboards with a dedicated "Home" key (e.g. the iPad 
> Keyboard Dock, and some third party keyboards, but not the Apple Wireless 
> Keyboard) you can press that key to return to the home screen.
> 2. Press VO-H twice by holding down the Control+Option keys and tapping the 
> "h" key twice to access the App Switcher.  Again, on keyboards with a 
> dedicated "Home" key, you can simply double click that key.
> 3. Perform the double tap and hold pass through gesture in the center of your 
> iPhone screen. (This has to be done as a gesture, but you can do it anywhere 
> in the center of your screen.) You should hear the burbly sound that 
> indicates a successful execution of the  pass through gesture, then VoiceOver 
> should say, "editing apps". Focus will be on the most recently used app, in 
> the bottom left corner of the screen.
> 4. Use your keyboard to remove all the apps in the App Switcher window.  I do 
> this with VO+space bar, since I can hold down the Control+Option keys and 
> just keep tapping the space bar until all the apps in the App Switcher window 
> are removed and you hear VoiceOver say, "App Switcher has no items". If you 
> have a Keyboard without a Control or Option key, you can turn QuickNav on (by 
> simultaneously pressing the right and left arrow keys), and then press the 
> up+down arrow keys instead of using VO+space bar to delete apps.
> 5. Eventually, VoiceOver will announce, "App Switcher has no items".
> 6. Press VO+H, or press the dedicated home key if your keyboard has one, to 
> return to the home screen.
> 
> I'll just add that the App Switcher window is really a list of your recently 
> used apps, but doesn't tell you which apps are actively running.   In the 
> multi-tasking environment, as your iOS device requires more resources it 
> starts dropping your previously used apps from its active list.  If you 
> happen to remove an app from your App Switcher window which is actively 
> running, you'll stop it from running.  Since VoiceOver requires more 
> resources when it is running than the default iOS system without VoiceOver, 
> users often want to release resources from currently running apps manually, 
> hence the practice of clearing off apps from the App Switcher window.  This 
> is overkill in the sense that you're removing all your recently used apps in 
> order to guarantee that the few that are still using resources are stopped.  
> Another way to do this, without deleting apps from the App Switcher window, 
> is to use an app that frees memory, like XSysInfo or System Activity Monitor. 
>  There are prob
 ab
> ly more updated versions of these apps that can be used to free memory.  I 
> usually use Activity Monitor Touch to check which apps are currently running. 
>  Another thing that may not be obvious: even when an app is not running, it 
> still may locally store data in memory that gets used when you next launch 
> the app.  So even if you remove Safari from the App Switcher window, 

Re: turning PDF into text

[Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Paula Hobley  wrote:
> I am looking for an application that will turn my pdf documents into text.
> Can anybody recommend anything?  I know ABBY Fine Reader is out there, but I
> don't want to actually scan books, just turn pdf images into text.

ABBY can work from an opened PDF file.

Having bought ABBY, I've actually ended up using PDFPenPro instead. I
think it behaves much more like a Mac application than ABBY. However,
I don't know how well it plays with VoiceOver.

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RE: turning PDF into text

[David Griffith]

There is a good free automatic email conversion   service which will do this
which somebody posted a few weeks ago. You might be able to find it on the
archives . I did save the mail with the address but I am not on my Mac at
the moment. I will send it in later if nobody else does it before me.


I used the service to convert my I-Mac User  guide PDF to text so I could
listen to it on the fly with my Pocket Plextalk and this worked well.
Basically you email the PDF  as an attachment and you get a text version
emailed back as an attachment very quickly 

David Griffith

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Paula Hobley
Sent: 19 December 2011 21:29
To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: turning PDF into text

Hi there

 

I am looking for an application that will turn my pdf documents into text.
Can anybody recommend anything?  I know ABBY Fine Reader is out there, but I
don't want to actually scan books, just turn pdf images into text.

 


Thanks for your help

 

Paula

 

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RE: copying large chunk of text from safari.

[David Griffith]

Interacting did not work for me either, but It did work for me in safari at
least after pressing VO spacebar on the shortcut field and then pressing the
desired shortcut combination.
 

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Sent: 19 December 2011 23:24
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: copying large chunk of text from safari.

I'll have to try that. I added the shortcut but sometimes selecting with vo
enter fails even after interaction with the area.

Thanks for the tip though.
On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dónal,
> 
> You can speed this up even more if, after making sure that the "New
TextEdit Window Containing Selection" option is checked under the Services
menu option, you also assign this a keyboard shortcut.  Then you only need
to use Command-A to select all and apply your shortcut.  You can find the
instructions to set this up in the archived post I wrote for our list:
> • Re: Selecting a block of text from a website on Lion 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg00659.html
> I'm using the shortcut Command-Option-Shift-W for this, and this works to
send your selected text to TextEdit from any application.  An added bonus is
that it can also be used to read some web sites that are not accessible with
VoiceOver due to bad HTML coding, since using the Services menu option
strips out the non-text elements, as a simple copy and paste does not.  For
similar reasons, you can use this to read embedded tables and lists in
documents in Pages, Nisus Writer Pro, etc. by selecting the page and
applying the shortcut, since it transforms the embedded material to text,
and lets VoiceOver read out the table directly.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Dec 19, 2011, at 06:36, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Ahh Paul, the best solution is usualy the simplest!  thanks very much
indeed for this.
>> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:30, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donald,
>>> I do this by selecting all the text in the Safari page and then going to
the menu bar and selecting Safari then Services then Save selected text in
TextEdit WIndow. I can then select the desired text from the TextEdit window
in the normal way. 
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell
>>> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
 Folks,
 
 I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do
this without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying,
pasting, returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
 Dónal Fitzpatrick
 dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
 
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Re: hanging with friends.

[Sarah Alawami]

Double tap ont he letter you want. If you want to build teeth

double tap t

double tap e

if there's another e double tap that

if there is another t double tap that
and double tap h if you have that.
On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Ian McNamara wrote:

> Ok i got the three versssion of hanging with friends how do i build my word?
> 
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Re: the dictionary on the i-phone

[Sarah Alawami]

If you want to reject a word swipe down and double tap to reject it and keep 
typing. It will learn what you mean eventally.

Also you only get one word so  there ya go.
On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:36 PM, Paula Hobley wrote:

> I have the same issue when texting, it's really irritating! I'm not sure how
> to fix it either.  My pet hate is when I want to use a word that's not in
> the dictionary and it won't let me use it.
> 
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> Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2011 3:45 PM
> To: mac-access@mac-access.net
> Subject: the dictionary on the i-phone
> 
> is there a way of getting the options and words in the dictionary 
> on the i-phone when a word is queried when texting?
> i have tried the rota and swiping and i cannot seem to be able to 
> access words or the options and you cannot seem to be able to 
> press space or enter on a word you wish to accept because if it 
> queries with the wrong word and you try to change it, it just 
> puts the wrong word back again.
> none of the options in the rota seem to give me access when i am 
> texting and a word is queried.
> deleting a character at the end of the word sometimes brings up 
> the right choice first time but hitting enter or space changes it 
> back to the word that it first comes up with rather than the one 
> you want.
> i know one person told me she switches off the dictionary because 
> she uses the same bluetooth keyboard as me which is the bt 
> freedom but i don't always wish to carry a bluetooth keyboard 
> around with me as it is still pretty bulky when foldered down and 
> normally needs a larger pocket for carrying it in.
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RE: the dictionary on the i-phone

[Paula Hobley]

I have the same issue when texting, it's really irritating! I'm not sure how
to fix it either.  My pet hate is when I want to use a word that's not in
the dictionary and it won't let me use it.

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Subject: the dictionary on the i-phone

is there a way of getting the options and words in the dictionary 
on the i-phone when a word is queried when texting?
i have tried the rota and swiping and i cannot seem to be able to 
access words or the options and you cannot seem to be able to 
press space or enter on a word you wish to accept because if it 
queries with the wrong word and you try to change it, it just 
puts the wrong word back again.
none of the options in the rota seem to give me access when i am 
texting and a word is queried.
deleting a character at the end of the word sometimes brings up 
the right choice first time but hitting enter or space changes it 
back to the word that it first comes up with rather than the one 
you want.
i know one person told me she switches off the dictionary because 
she uses the same bluetooth keyboard as me which is the bt 
freedom but i don't always wish to carry a bluetooth keyboard 
around with me as it is still pretty bulky when foldered down and 
normally needs a larger pocket for carrying it in.
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the dictionary on the i-phone

[michael weaver]

is there a way of getting the options and words in the dictionary 
on the i-phone when a word is queried when texting?
i have tried the rota and swiping and i cannot seem to be able to 
access words or the options and you cannot seem to be able to 
press space or enter on a word you wish to accept because if it 
queries with the wrong word and you try to change it, it just 
puts the wrong word back again.
none of the options in the rota seem to give me access when i am 
texting and a word is queried.
deleting a character at the end of the word sometimes brings up 
the right choice first time but hitting enter or space changes it 
back to the word that it first comes up with rather than the one 
you want.
i know one person told me she switches off the dictionary because 
she uses the same bluetooth keyboard as me which is the bt 
freedom but i don't always wish to carry a bluetooth keyboard 
around with me as it is still pretty bulky when foldered down and 
normally needs a larger pocket for carrying it in.

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Re: drop box question

[Sarah Alawami]

Just hit vo shift m on the file in question and you should see the dropbox 
submenu. from there  you should be able to right arrow and then hit  enter on 
copy public link.
On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:05 PM, michael maslo wrote:

> Hi list:
> 
> Can someone please tell me how to cop a public link?
> 
> I am trying to do this. I have a file in my public folder and want to copy a 
> link or create a link and then copy it and paste it in the email message.
> 
> How do I do this? I do not understand on how. I know with other systems you 
> have to right click but mac won't allow me to do that.
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Instructions for clearing App switcher [was Re: Removing applications from App switcher in IPhone]

[Esther]

Hi Paula and Others,

At the risk of adding to an already long thread, I thought I'd post 
instructions on how I remove apps from the App switcher window.  

1. If you are currently in an app, click the "Home" button to return to the 
home screen
2. Double click the "Home" button, and you should hear VoiceOver say, "App 
Switcher", then announce the name of your most recently used app, followed by 
"double tap to open".
3. Perform the double tap and hold pass through gesture in the center of your 
iPhone screen. You should hear the burbly sound that indicates a successful 
execution of the pass through gesture, then VoiceOver should say, "editing 
apps".  Focus will be on the app in the bottom left corner of the screen.  You 
don't have to locate this app before you do the pass through gesture, because 
it already had focus when you opened the App Switcher.  So you don't need to 
worry about performing the double tap and hold gesture in any particular 
location on the screen -- I do this in the center of the screen.
4. Keep double tapping in the center of the screen to delete apps. As you 
delete apps, focus will stay on the bottom left corner of the screen, and the 
next app to be deleted will move into position here.  (You don't actually have 
to wait for VoiceOver to announce each action's completed status as you double 
tap to delete.)
5. Eventually, VoiceOver will announce, "App Switcher has no items".
6. Click the "Home" button to return to your home screen.

You can also perform a variant of the above using a paired Bluetooth keyboard, 
but the double tap and hold pass through gesture must be performed on the 
screen, since there is no equivalent keyboard shortcut.  The instructions would 
work as follows:
1. If you are currently in an app, press Control+Option+H to return to the home 
screen.  On keyboards with a dedicated "Home" key (e.g. the iPad Keyboard Dock, 
and some third party keyboards, but not the Apple Wireless Keyboard) you can 
press that key to return to the home screen.
2. Press VO-H twice by holding down the Control+Option keys and tapping the "h" 
key twice to access the App Switcher.  Again, on keyboards with a dedicated 
"Home" key, you can simply double click that key.
3. Perform the double tap and hold pass through gesture in the center of your 
iPhone screen. (This has to be done as a gesture, but you can do it anywhere in 
the center of your screen.) You should hear the burbly sound that indicates a 
successful execution of the  pass through gesture, then VoiceOver should say, 
"editing apps". Focus will be on the most recently used app, in the bottom left 
corner of the screen.
4. Use your keyboard to remove all the apps in the App Switcher window.  I do 
this with VO+space bar, since I can hold down the Control+Option keys and just 
keep tapping the space bar until all the apps in the App Switcher window are 
removed and you hear VoiceOver say, "App Switcher has no items". If you have a 
Keyboard without a Control or Option key, you can turn QuickNav on (by 
simultaneously pressing the right and left arrow keys), and then press the 
up+down arrow keys instead of using VO+space bar to delete apps.
5. Eventually, VoiceOver will announce, "App Switcher has no items".
6. Press VO+H, or press the dedicated home key if your keyboard has one, to 
return to the home screen.

I'll just add that the App Switcher window is really a list of your recently 
used apps, but doesn't tell you which apps are actively running.   In the 
multi-tasking environment, as your iOS device requires more resources it starts 
dropping your previously used apps from its active list.  If you happen to 
remove an app from your App Switcher window which is actively running, you'll 
stop it from running.  Since VoiceOver requires more resources when it is 
running than the default iOS system without VoiceOver, users often want to 
release resources from currently running apps manually, hence the practice of 
clearing off apps from the App Switcher window.  This is overkill in the sense 
that you're removing all your recently used apps in order to guarantee that the 
few that are still using resources are stopped.  Another way to do this, 
without deleting apps from the App Switcher window, is to use an app that frees 
memory, like XSysInfo or System Activity Monitor.  There are probab
 ly more updated versions of these apps that can be used to free memory.  I 
usually use Activity Monitor Touch to check which apps are currently running.  
Another thing that may not be obvious: even when an app is not running, it 
still may locally store data in memory that gets used when you next launch the 
app.  So even if you remove Safari from the App Switcher window, if you don't 
close additional tabs, or go to Settings > Safari and use the options to "Clear 
Cache" and "Clear History", that stored memory usage will still impact your 
resources.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


 

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drop box question

[michael maslo]

Hi list:

Can someone please tell me how to cop a public link?

I am trying to do this. I have a file in my public folder and want to copy a 
link or create a link and then copy it and paste it in the email message.

How do I do this? I do not understand on how. I know with other systems you 
have to right click but mac won't allow me to do that.
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Re: words with friends and voice over.

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Try hanging with friends, it is accessible and very cool.

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> Hi thanks for that glad i only got the three verssion then smiley.
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Re: copying large chunk of text from safari.

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Hi David, 

This works for me in Safari, Webkit, and all other apps, but I'm running Safari 
5.05 under Snow Leopard.  The shortcut I'm using is Command-Option-Shift-W.  
(There's an extra Command key added here that is absent from your post.)  You 
can assign any shortcut you like.  The reason I post the actual key 
combinations I use is that there's a fair chance of running into a conflict 
with an existing keyboard shortcut in some other app.  That's one of the 
reasons why I'm using so many keys in the shortcut definition, since this 
Services menu shortcut works in all apps, and not just in Safari. When I first 
set up my personalized script to announce time, back in Leopard after 
considerable discussion with Paul Hopewell on this list on getting a 24 hour 
clock announcement (for the U.S.) with AppleScript (and some other 
configuration), I assigned the shortcut Command-Shift-T under Spark.  Well, 
that shortcut got used in Snow Leopard to put selected Finder items into the 
Dock, so I had to make this Command-Option-Shift-T.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 19, 2011, at 13:00, David Griffith wrote:

> I tried this for ages in Webkit and tonight  the key shortcut assignment  
> would not work.  It reported option shift W as the shortcut in the table but 
> actually pressing these keys after selecting all would not work.  I then 
> switched to Safari and it worked first time so it looks like the recent build 
> of Webkit I was using has this feature broken.
> 
> I will try updating the build tonight to see if works on the very latest 
> Webkit.
> Thanks for  the tip. At least I know that I can switch to Safari if I want to 
> have this feature.
> 
> RegardsDavid Griffith. 
> David Griffith
> d.griff...@btinternet.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 Dec 2011, at 17:52, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dónal,
>> 
>> You can speed this up even more if, after making sure that the "New TextEdit 
>> Window Containing Selection" option is checked under the Services menu 
>> option, you also assign this a keyboard shortcut.  Then you only need to use 
>> Command-A to select all and apply your shortcut.  You can find the 
>> instructions to set this up in the archived post I wrote for our list:
>> • Re: Selecting a block of text from a website on Lion 
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg00659.html
>> I'm using the shortcut Command-Option-Shift-W for this, and this works to 
>> send your selected text to TextEdit from any application.  An added bonus is 
>> that it can also be used to read some web sites that are not accessible with 
>> VoiceOver due to bad HTML coding, since using the Services menu option 
>> strips out the non-text elements, as a simple copy and paste does not.  For 
>> similar reasons, you can use this to read embedded tables and lists in 
>> documents in Pages, Nisus Writer Pro, etc. by selecting the page and 
>> applying the shortcut, since it transforms the embedded material to text, 
>> and lets VoiceOver read out the table directly.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2011, at 06:36, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Ahh Paul, the best solution is usualy the simplest!  thanks very much 
>>> indeed for this.
>>> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:30, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Donald, 
 I do this by selecting all the text in the Safari page and then going to 
 the menu bar and selecting Safari then Services then Save selected text in 
 TextEdit WIndow. I can then select the desired text from the TextEdit 
 window in the normal way. 
 
 Paul Hopewell 
 On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
> Folks,
> 
> I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do 
> this without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying, 
> pasting, returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
> Dónal Fitzpatrick
> dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
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Re: copying large chunk of text from safari.

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I'll have to try that. I added the shortcut but sometimes selecting with vo 
enter fails even after interaction with the area.

Thanks for the tip though.
On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dónal,
> 
> You can speed this up even more if, after making sure that the "New TextEdit 
> Window Containing Selection" option is checked under the Services menu 
> option, you also assign this a keyboard shortcut.  Then you only need to use 
> Command-A to select all and apply your shortcut.  You can find the 
> instructions to set this up in the archived post I wrote for our list:
> • Re: Selecting a block of text from a website on Lion 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg00659.html
> I'm using the shortcut Command-Option-Shift-W for this, and this works to 
> send your selected text to TextEdit from any application.  An added bonus is 
> that it can also be used to read some web sites that are not accessible with 
> VoiceOver due to bad HTML coding, since using the Services menu option strips 
> out the non-text elements, as a simple copy and paste does not.  For similar 
> reasons, you can use this to read embedded tables and lists in documents in 
> Pages, Nisus Writer Pro, etc. by selecting the page and applying the 
> shortcut, since it transforms the embedded material to text, and lets 
> VoiceOver read out the table directly.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Dec 19, 2011, at 06:36, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Ahh Paul, the best solution is usualy the simplest!  thanks very much indeed 
>> for this.
>> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:30, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donald, 
>>> I do this by selecting all the text in the Safari page and then going to 
>>> the menu bar and selecting Safari then Services then Save selected text in 
>>> TextEdit WIndow. I can then select the desired text from the TextEdit 
>>> window in the normal way. 
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell 
>>> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
 Folks,
 
 I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do 
 this without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying, 
 pasting, returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
 Dónal Fitzpatrick
 dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
 
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Re: copying large chunk of text from safari.

[David Griffith]

I tried this for ages in Webkit and tonight  the key shortcut assignment  would 
not work.  It reported option shift W as the shortcut in the table but actually 
pressing these keys after selecting all would not work.  I then switched to 
Safari and it worked first time so it looks like the recent build of Webkit I 
was using has this feature broken.

I will try updating the build tonight to see if works on the very latest Webkit.
Thanks for  the tip. At least I know that I can switch to Safari if I want to 
have this feature.
  
RegardsDavid Griffith. 
David Griffith
d.griff...@btinternet.com



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> Hi Dónal,
> 
> You can speed this up even more if, after making sure that the "New TextEdit 
> Window Containing Selection" option is checked under the Services menu 
> option, you also assign this a keyboard shortcut.  Then you only need to use 
> Command-A to select all and apply your shortcut.  You can find the 
> instructions to set this up in the archived post I wrote for our list:
> • Re: Selecting a block of text from a website on Lion 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg00659.html
> I'm using the shortcut Command-Option-Shift-W for this, and this works to 
> send your selected text to TextEdit from any application.  An added bonus is 
> that it can also be used to read some web sites that are not accessible with 
> VoiceOver due to bad HTML coding, since using the Services menu option strips 
> out the non-text elements, as a simple copy and paste does not.  For similar 
> reasons, you can use this to read embedded tables and lists in documents in 
> Pages, Nisus Writer Pro, etc. by selecting the page and applying the 
> shortcut, since it transforms the embedded material to text, and lets 
> VoiceOver read out the table directly.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Dec 19, 2011, at 06:36, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Ahh Paul, the best solution is usualy the simplest!  thanks very much indeed 
>> for this.
>> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:30, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donald, 
>>> I do this by selecting all the text in the Safari page and then going to 
>>> the menu bar and selecting Safari then Services then Save selected text in 
>>> TextEdit WIndow. I can then select the desired text from the TextEdit 
>>> window in the normal way. 
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell 
>>> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
 Folks,
 
 I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do 
 this without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying, 
 pasting, returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
 Dónal Fitzpatrick
 dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
 
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turning PDF into text

[Paula Hobley]

Hi there

 

I am looking for an application that will turn my pdf documents into text.
Can anybody recommend anything?  I know ABBY Fine Reader is out there, but I
don't want to actually scan books, just turn pdf images into text.

 


Thanks for your help

 

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Re: Finding Unseen Items in Status Menu

[Sarah Alawami]

Not that I am aware of. I also want to do this and hav asked  but so far no 
answer. Ther probably is a way to do it but I'm not that knoledgable as most 
members on this list lol.

Hope someone can answer our queries.
On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:51 AM, Earle wrote:

> Haven't been out here in a while, so please forgive me if this has already 
> been covered. I went back through some archives, but saw no mention of this 
> issue.
> 
> I am currently using the latest version of Lion, and I have all updates 
> installed. Is there a way to find the unseen icons in the status menu? I was 
> able to do this in Snow Leopard, but can't seem to get it to work in Lion. It 
> isn't very often that I need this feature, so it hasn't been an issue up 
> until now. Like I said, I had no problems finding these icons in Snow 
> Leopard. I'm trying the exact same procedure that I used to use in Snow 
> Leopard, but I'm having no luck. Is there no way to do this in Lion 
> currently? Any help would be most appreciated.
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Re: copying large chunk of text from safari.

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Hi Shannon and Others,

I've been using this Services menu option to send selections to TextEdit since 
Tiger -- which is the very first version of Mac OS X to support VoiceOver.  The 
main practical difference in using this in versions starting with Snow Leopard 
is that you have to check a box under a table in the Keyboard Shortcuts pane of 
System Preferences to determine which items show up under the Services menu.  
In Tiger and Leopard, the option automatically appeared under the TextEdit 
submenu of Services  as "New window containing selection".  As Colin stated, my 
earlier post gives a link to step-by-step instructions to enable this Services 
menu option, and additionally assign a keyboard shortcut.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 
On Dec 19, 2011, at 08:39, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi Shannon!
> Yes it will!
> And if you have already red Esther's post a about adding that shortcut that 
> will also work! :]
> Colin
> Qapla!
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>> I'm running SL. Will this work for me, or is this just for lion users?
>> 
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>> On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donald, 
>>> I do this by selecting all the text in the Safari page and then going to 
>>> the menu bar and selecting Safari then Services then Save selected text in 
>>> TextEdit WIndow. I can then select the desired text from the TextEdit 
>>> window in the normal way. 
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell 
>>> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
 Folks,
 
 I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do 
 this without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying, 
 pasting, returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
 Dónal Fitzpatrick
 dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
 

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Re: words with friends and voice over.

[chris hallsworth]

Lyric Genius works on the iPhone and iPod Touch as well as the iPad. 
Perhaps the person submitted it tested it on an iPad only.


On 19/12/2011 17:25, Ian McNamara wrote:

Thanks thinking of taking a look at that lyric jenus app but it says it only 
works on the ipad so if i get it for my iphone i take it it wont work.

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Re: copying large chunk of text from safari.

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Hi Shannon!
Yes it will!
And if you have already red Esther's post a about adding that shortcut that 
will also work! :]
Colin
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> I'm running SL. Will this work for me, or is this just for lion users?
> 
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>> Hi Donald, 
>> I do this by selecting all the text in the Safari page and then going to the 
>> menu bar and selecting Safari then Services then Save selected text in 
>> TextEdit WIndow. I can then select the desired text from the TextEdit window 
>> in the normal way. 
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell 
>> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do this 
>>> without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying, 
>>> pasting, returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
>>> Dónal Fitzpatrick
>>> dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
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Re: copying large chunk of text from safari.

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I'm running SL. Will this work for me, or is this just for lion users?

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> Hi Donald, 
> I do this by selecting all the text in the Safari page and then going to the 
> menu bar and selecting Safari then Services then Save selected text in 
> TextEdit WIndow. I can then select the desired text from the TextEdit window 
> in the normal way. 
> 
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> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
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>> Folks,
>> 
>> I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do this 
>> without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying, pasting, 
>> returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
>> Dónal Fitzpatrick
>> dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
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Hi mate allready got some apps from this sight smiley.

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Re: copying large chunk of text from safari.

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Hi Dónal,

You can speed this up even more if, after making sure that the "New TextEdit 
Window Containing Selection" option is checked under the Services menu option, 
you also assign this a keyboard shortcut.  Then you only need to use Command-A 
to select all and apply your shortcut.  You can find the instructions to set 
this up in the archived post I wrote for our list:
• Re: Selecting a block of text from a website on Lion 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg00659.html
I'm using the shortcut Command-Option-Shift-W for this, and this works to send 
your selected text to TextEdit from any application.  An added bonus is that it 
can also be used to read some web sites that are not accessible with VoiceOver 
due to bad HTML coding, since using the Services menu option strips out the 
non-text elements, as a simple copy and paste does not.  For similar reasons, 
you can use this to read embedded tables and lists in documents in Pages, Nisus 
Writer Pro, etc. by selecting the page and applying the shortcut, since it 
transforms the embedded material to text, and lets VoiceOver read out the table 
directly.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 19, 2011, at 06:36, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Ahh Paul, the best solution is usualy the simplest!  thanks very much indeed 
> for this.
> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:30, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donald, 
>> I do this by selecting all the text in the Safari page and then going to the 
>> menu bar and selecting Safari then Services then Save selected text in 
>> TextEdit WIndow. I can then select the desired text from the TextEdit window 
>> in the normal way. 
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell 
>> On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do this 
>>> without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying, 
>>> pasting, returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
>>> Dónal Fitzpatrick
>>> dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
>>> 

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Re: words with friends and voice over.

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Hi Ian!

The web address for the accessible apps is: http://www.applevis.com
 Scroll to "App Directory" and double tap it, and you'll find them all in 
there. You can, of course, view this page on the computer too.
Cheers.
Lewis :)
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Thanks thinking of taking a look at that lyric jenus app but it says it only 
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Ahh Paul, the best solution is usualy the simplest!  thanks very much indeed 
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> Hi Donald, 
> I do this by selecting all the text in the Safari page and then going to the 
> menu bar and selecting Safari then Services then Save selected text in 
> TextEdit WIndow. I can then select the desired text from the TextEdit window 
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> Paul Hopewell 
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>> Folks,
>> 
>> I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do this 
>> without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying, pasting, 
>> returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
>> Dónal Fitzpatrick
>> dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
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Hi Donald, 
I do this by selecting all the text in the Safari page and then going to the 
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WIndow. I can then select the desired text from the TextEdit window in the 
normal way. 

Paul Hopewell 
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> 
> I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do this 
> without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying, pasting, 
> returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
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www.applevis.com.

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copying large chunk of text from safari.

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Folks,

I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do this 
without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying, pasting, 
returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
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Folks,

I need to copy large chunks of text from safari.  Is there a way to do this 
without interacting with each block of text, selecting it, copying, pasting, 
returning to safari and doing the same thing all over again?
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Hi could i have the address for all the accessable apple apps heard there was a 
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thanks very much.

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Hi thanks for that glad i only got the three verssion then smiley.

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Re: words with friends and voice over.

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Hi, the game is not accessible. 

Regards.

Enviado via iPhone

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> Hi has any one managed to play the words with friends with voice over? If so 
> how does it work?
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Re: accessible FTP client

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Paula

Have you considered Expandrive,  it is a 
cross-platform application which we use here and it saves a lot of time, even 
with one server.

Lynne


On 18 Dec 2011, at 18:39, Paula Hobley wrote:

Thanks Lew, I don't regularly work with ftp survers, just need to access one
every now and then. I will check out your suggestion.

Cheers

Paula


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Hi Paula,

cyberduck is a great free alternative which I quite like for data on the
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regularly working with FTP sites and servers.

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Re: Keynote 5.1.1 Accessibility question [Was: Re: Top Ten list of tools and techniques I used to successfully complete my first college semester as a blind student]

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Bryan,

To be honest I've noticed no discernible difference(s).  however, I simply 
opened a powerpoint presentation, went into slideshow mode and then discovered 
that it was still lousy.

Sory I can't be more possitive,

Dónal
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> Hello Donal,
> 
> Thank you for your feedback. I'm interested in your comments regarding the 
> accessibility limitations in Keynote. I'm not yet a heavy Keynote User, but I 
> did notice that the recent 5.1.1 update included a mention of "improved 
> accessibility" and am wondering if the slide show or any other access issues 
> were addressed in this update. Apple, as usual, seems to offer no details 
> regarding the improvements, so I'm hoping someone familiar with the product 
> and it's shortcomings might be able to opine on this.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bryan
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>> One aspect where OSX and VO are truly abysmal is in the area of making 
>> presentations.  Anne Robertson has played with this extensively and has come 
>> up with several ingenious workarounds.  However, it seems criminal that two 
>> years after release, VO still cannot access a presentation when the thing is 
>> being played in slideshow mode.  What do Apple think blind people want to do 
>> with Keynote, create presentations and have someone else make them?
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words with friends and voice over.

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Hi has any one managed to play the words with friends with voice over? If so 
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keyboard.

[Ian McNamara]

Hi taking the keyboard in to the apple store on wednesday they where very 
helpful when i rang my local apple store and booked me an apoiment over the 
phone. They have to check the keyboard just to be sure i did not damage it my 
self, even though i know it was accedentle.

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Finding Unseen Items in Status Menu

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Haven't been out here in a while, so please forgive me if this has already been 
covered. I went back through some archives, but saw no mention of this issue.

I am currently using the latest version of Lion, and I have all updates 
installed. Is there a way to find the unseen icons in the status menu? I was 
able to do this in Snow Leopard, but can't seem to get it to work in Lion. It 
isn't very often that I need this feature, so it hasn't been an issue up until 
now. Like I said, I had no problems finding these icons in Snow Leopard. I'm 
trying the exact same procedure that I used to use in Snow Leopard, but I'm 
having no luck. Is there no way to do this in Lion currently? Any help would be 
most appreciated.
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