Re: safe mode and voiceover

[Zachary Kline]

Wifi is accessible under Mountain Lion.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Well it should be… It looks like people are going to need to start 
> campaigning to Apple accessibility.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> Yeah the wifi part is not accessible, but I just created a flash drive as 
>> even with my  15 mbp connection, it will still be slow to download the 
>> mountain lion thingy.
>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Chris, that would certainly be nice if you could do that. That way if I 
>>> or any other person that can't see had to go into this mode, they had a way 
>>> to do it without sighted assistance. Thanks very much! Oh, it would also be 
>>> nice if there were a way to do an   Internet install of OS X without 
>>> sighted help  to…
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to manually enable the 
 audio service.  there just has! to be.  That would be silly not.  Let me 
 do some digging around, and will then post the exact steps on how to do it 
 and get it up and working if there be a way, which as I said, there should 
 be. It may involve terminal work, but even if so, it shouldn't be anything 
 bad at all.
 
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 - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:07
 Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover
 
 
> I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, OS 10 only 
> uses what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up any sound drivers or 
> anything like that.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas  
> wrote:
> 
>> hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe 
>> mode yet voiceover does not work?
>> i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
>> partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry 
>> in case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
>> 
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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[Josh Gregory]

Well it should be… It looks like people are going to need to start campaigning 
to Apple accessibility.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Yeah the wifi part is not accessible, but I just created a flash drive as 
> even with my  15 mbp connection, it will still be slow to download the 
> mountain lion thingy.
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris, that would certainly be nice if you could do that. That way if I 
>> or any other person that can't see had to go into this mode, they had a way 
>> to do it without sighted assistance. Thanks very much! Oh, it would also be 
>> nice if there were a way to do an   Internet install of OS X without sighted 
>> help  to…
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to manually enable the 
>>> audio service.  there just has! to be.  That would be silly not.  Let me do 
>>> some digging around, and will then post the exact steps on how to do it and 
>>> get it up and working if there be a way, which as I said, there should be. 
>>> It may involve terminal work, but even if so, it shouldn't be anything bad 
>>> at all.
>>> 
>>> Chris Gilland.
>>> Founder of CLG Productions
>>> http://www.clgproductions.com
>>> E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
>>> Phone: 803-760-7136
>>> Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
>>> Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:07
>>> Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover
>>> 
>>> 
 I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, OS 10 only 
 uses what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up any sound drivers or 
 anything like that.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas  wrote:
 
> hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode 
> yet voiceover does not work?
> i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
> partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry 
> in case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
> 
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Re: for those wanting the iPhone gps application from seeing eye

[Lewis Crack]

Hi.

I hate it when it takes a while for the app to be released in the UK.
It's annoying how the UK and US have a different App Store. That GPS
App does sound good though!
Cheers.
Lewis.

On 27/02/2013, William Lomas  wrote:
>   the app will not be in UK or outside north america to start with 
> although
> at least when it reaches UK it will be i guess v2
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Re: GPS on iPhone without data plan

[Travis Siegel]

We have no data plan on our cell phones.  In fact, our iphones don't  
even have cell service, but the gps programs still work.  We tried  
the one that comes with the iphone, called maps, and it worked just  
fine.  I'm not sure how accessible it is, as I myself didn't try it,  
but if there's another accessible program (I've not tried any yet) I  
suspect it would work just as well.


On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:57 PM, Christopher Gilland wrote:


Glenn,

To the best of my knowledge, it doesn't matter if you're on 3g, 4g,  
edge, GPRS, God help you, or LTE.  It's going to rely on whatever  
data is connected… if that be wifi, that is also what it will use.   
So yeah, the only exception is if you download an app which makes  
you download the maps locally to the phone such as Navigon NOrth  
America, which by the way, I swear by!


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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[JAMES AUSTIN]

Hi John,

Again you're correct. Sorry my explanation was not as clear as I thought.

Take care
James
On 27 Feb 2013, at 17:00, John Panarese  wrote:

   I would leave that question to someone more versed with that.  The problem, 
though, would be that it still would not load in Safe Mode.  Single User mode 
would probably be the best avenue for that.


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On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:51 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Hi John,
> 
> You're right, in SUM, VO does not load. I woner if there would be a way of 
> installing  SpeakUP or some other flavour of a Linux/UNIX Screen Reader given 
> that OS X is built on and is UNIX compliant. But I think that might be 
> outside of the scope of this list.
> 
> James 
> On 27 Feb 2013, at 16:47, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure about the Braille display.  I know VoiceOver does not load at 
> all.  When OS X safe-boots, it doesn't load any third-party items, such as 
> KEXTs, launch agents, launch daemons, startup items, fonts, any user login 
> items, or any user-specific launch agents.
> When you are in Save Mode, nothing but the bare essentials load.  This is 
> done for specific troubleshooting and you can't turn on any services through 
> Safe Mode.  You probably can in Single User mode, but this is a terminal line 
> only interface, and,a again, I don't believe VO loads.
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:32 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Will,
>> 
>> I think I read somewhere that although sound drivers are not loaded in safe 
>> mode, a Braille Display should work with VO. I could have imagined reading 
>> this though.
>> 
>> Also, I am not sure if your problems are due exclusively to the fact that 
>> you have an SSD? I would think that there are plenty of folks who have an 
>> SSD drive in their Macs running something other than OS X. If this is 
>> exclusively an SSD issue though hopefully it will get sorted.
>> 
>> Out of interest, have you tried booting into a bootable back up of OS X and 
>> then tried partitioning your drive with  an MS DOS partition?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Take care
>> James
>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 15:02, William Lomas  wrote:
>> 
>> hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode 
>> yet voiceover does not work?
>> i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
>> partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry in 
>> case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
>> 
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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[Lewis Crack]

Hi all,

This does sound interesting. I've never had to boot my Mac up in Safe
Mode, but I can see why it wouldn't load any sound drivers, and so on.
The exact same is said for the other OS. I normally usually use
recovery mode to try and get me out of situations like these, although
Safe Mode/Single User Mode would be better as it gives you more
control of the system such as changing partitions, etc. have you tried
repairing Disk Permissions in Recovery Mode?
That may fix it. I would think that partitioning the disk would work,
no matter what type of disk is used, e.g SATA, SSD, etc, although as
James said, it has to be in MSDos (NTFS) format, as the other OS
doesn't like FAT32, and unfortunately BootCamp doesn't format the
drive in NTFS, but in FAT32, meaning that the user has to format it
themselves again during the other OS setup.
Sorry for the long email, but I'm finding the topic interesting!
Hope these tips lead you in the right direction!
Regards.
Lewis.




On 27/02/2013, John Panarese  wrote:
> I would leave that question to someone more versed with that.  The
> problem, though, would be that it still would not load in Safe Mode.  Single
> User mode would probably be the best avenue for that.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
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> On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:51 AM, JAMES AUSTIN 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> You're right, in SUM, VO does not load. I woner if there would be a way of
>> installing  SpeakUP or some other flavour of a Linux/UNIX Screen Reader
>> given that OS X is built on and is UNIX compliant. But I think that might
>> be outside of the scope of this list.
>>
>> James
>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 16:47, John Panarese  wrote:
>>
>>  I'm not sure about the Braille display.  I know VoiceOver does not load
>> at all.  When OS X safe-boots, it doesn't load any third-party items, such
>> as KEXTs, launch agents, launch daemons, startup items, fonts, any user
>> login items, or any user-specific launch agents.
>> When you are in Save Mode, nothing but the bare essentials load.  This is
>> done for specific troubleshooting and you can't turn on any services
>> through Safe Mode.  You probably can in Single User mode, but this is a
>> terminal line only interface, and,a again, I don't believe VO loads.
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:32 AM, JAMES AUSTIN 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Will,
>>>
>>> I think I read somewhere that although sound drivers are not loaded in
>>> safe mode, a Braille Display should work with VO. I could have imagined
>>> reading this though.
>>>
>>> Also, I am not sure if your problems are due exclusively to the fact that
>>> you have an SSD? I would think that there are plenty of folks who have an
>>> SSD drive in their Macs running something other than OS X. If this is
>>> exclusively an SSD issue though hopefully it will get sorted.
>>>
>>> Out of interest, have you tried booting into a bootable back up of OS X
>>> and then tried partitioning your drive with  an MS DOS partition?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Take care
>>> James
>>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 15:02, William Lomas  wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode
>>> yet voiceover does not work?
>>> i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to
>>> partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry
>>> in case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
>>>
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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[John Panarese]

I would leave that question to someone more versed with that.  The problem, 
though, would be that it still would not load in Safe Mode.  Single User mode 
would probably be the best avenue for that.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
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On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:51 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Hi John,
> 
> You're right, in SUM, VO does not load. I woner if there would be a way of 
> installing  SpeakUP or some other flavour of a Linux/UNIX Screen Reader given 
> that OS X is built on and is UNIX compliant. But I think that might be 
> outside of the scope of this list.
> 
> James 
> On 27 Feb 2013, at 16:47, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  I'm not sure about the Braille display.  I know VoiceOver does not load at 
> all.  When OS X safe-boots, it doesn't load any third-party items, such as 
> KEXTs, launch agents, launch daemons, startup items, fonts, any user login 
> items, or any user-specific launch agents.
> When you are in Save Mode, nothing but the bare essentials load.  This is 
> done for specific troubleshooting and you can't turn on any services through 
> Safe Mode.  You probably can in Single User mode, but this is a terminal line 
> only interface, and,a again, I don't believe VO loads.
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
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> 
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:32 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Will,
>> 
>> I think I read somewhere that although sound drivers are not loaded in safe 
>> mode, a Braille Display should work with VO. I could have imagined reading 
>> this though.
>> 
>> Also, I am not sure if your problems are due exclusively to the fact that 
>> you have an SSD? I would think that there are plenty of folks who have an 
>> SSD drive in their Macs running something other than OS X. If this is 
>> exclusively an SSD issue though hopefully it will get sorted.
>> 
>> Out of interest, have you tried booting into a bootable back up of OS X and 
>> then tried partitioning your drive with  an MS DOS partition?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Take care
>> James
>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 15:02, William Lomas  wrote:
>> 
>> hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode 
>> yet voiceover does not work?
>> i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
>> partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry in 
>> case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
>> 
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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[JAMES AUSTIN]

Hi John,

You're right, in SUM, VO does not load. I woner if there would be a way of 
installing  SpeakUP or some other flavour of a Linux/UNIX Screen Reader given 
that OS X is built on and is UNIX compliant. But I think that might be outside 
of the scope of this list.

James 
On 27 Feb 2013, at 16:47, John Panarese  wrote:

  I'm not sure about the Braille display.  I know VoiceOver does not load at 
all.  When OS X safe-boots, it doesn't load any third-party items, such as 
KEXTs, launch agents, launch daemons, startup items, fonts, any user login 
items, or any user-specific launch agents.
When you are in Save Mode, nothing but the bare essentials load.  This is done 
for specific troubleshooting and you can't turn on any services through Safe 
Mode.  You probably can in Single User mode, but this is a terminal line only 
interface, and,a again, I don't believe VO loads.

Take Care

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On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:32 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Hi Will,
> 
> I think I read somewhere that although sound drivers are not loaded in safe 
> mode, a Braille Display should work with VO. I could have imagined reading 
> this though.
> 
> Also, I am not sure if your problems are due exclusively to the fact that you 
> have an SSD? I would think that there are plenty of folks who have an SSD 
> drive in their Macs running something other than OS X. If this is exclusively 
> an SSD issue though hopefully it will get sorted.
> 
> Out of interest, have you tried booting into a bootable back up of OS X and 
> then tried partitioning your drive with  an MS DOS partition?
> 
> 
> 
> Take care
> James
> On 27 Feb 2013, at 15:02, William Lomas  wrote:
> 
> hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode yet 
> voiceover does not work?
> i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
> partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry in 
> case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
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Re: safe mode and voiceover

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   I'm not sure about the Braille display.  I know VoiceOver does not load at 
all.  When OS X safe-boots, it doesn't load any third-party items, such as 
KEXTs, launch agents, launch daemons, startup items, fonts, any user login 
items, or any user-specific launch agents.
 When you are in Save Mode, nothing but the bare essentials load.  This is done 
for specific troubleshooting and you can't turn on any services through Safe 
Mode.  You probably can in Single User mode, but this is a terminal line only 
interface, and,a again, I don't believe VO loads.

Take Care

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On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:32 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Hi Will,
> 
> I think I read somewhere that although sound drivers are not loaded in safe 
> mode, a Braille Display should work with VO. I could have imagined reading 
> this though.
> 
> Also, I am not sure if your problems are due exclusively to the fact that you 
> have an SSD? I would think that there are plenty of folks who have an SSD 
> drive in their Macs running something other than OS X. If this is exclusively 
> an SSD issue though hopefully it will get sorted.
> 
> Out of interest, have you tried booting into a bootable back up of OS X and 
> then tried partitioning your drive with  an MS DOS partition?
> 
> 
> 
> Take care
> James
> On 27 Feb 2013, at 15:02, William Lomas  wrote:
> 
> hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode yet 
> voiceover does not work?
> i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
> partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry in 
> case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
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Re: keeps saying files can't be moved

[Will]

the utility though not letting me create the partition

On 27 Feb 2013, at 16:21, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> huh? No you don't need to do that. just create the partition in the boot camp 
> utility in the utilities folder, hit space on continue and then ask for sited 
> help as when the cd boots up you have to go to advanced  then format and have 
> them choose ntms on the partition that boot camp will be installed on.From 
> there it should be pretty straight forward.
> 
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> On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Will  wrote:
> 
>> I am trying to make a Boot Camp partition. I have read on the Internet that 
>> I'll have to format the Mac and start again it says hello brindle Boot Camp 
>> and click continue, that files cannot be moved
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:15, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Will,
>>> 
>>> You're explanation is not very helpful. What exactly are you trying to move 
>>> and how are you trying to do it? Under which OS?
>>> 
>>> If you could provide us with a little more information, we might be more 
>>> able to help.
>>> 
>>> Hope all is well apart from that.
>>> Take care
>>> James 
>>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 10:22, William Lomas  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi all why does my macbook air keep saying files can not be moved?
>>> one minute bootcamp works the next it doesn't i am not prepared to restore 
>>> the whole mac again just to sort out this issue it is crazy smile
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Re: keeps saying files can't be moved

[Sarah k Alawami]

huh? No you don't need to do that. just create the partition in the boot camp 
utility in the utilities folder, hit space on continue and then ask for sited 
help as when the cd boots up you have to go to advanced  then format and have 
them choose ntms on the partition that boot camp will be installed on.From 
there it should be pretty straight forward.

Take care.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Will  wrote:

> I am trying to make a Boot Camp partition. I have read on the Internet that 
> I'll have to format the Mac and start again it says hello brindle Boot Camp 
> and click continue, that files cannot be moved
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:15, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Will,
>> 
>> You're explanation is not very helpful. What exactly are you trying to move 
>> and how are you trying to do it? Under which OS?
>> 
>> If you could provide us with a little more information, we might be more 
>> able to help.
>> 
>> Hope all is well apart from that.
>> Take care
>> James 
>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 10:22, William Lomas  wrote:
>> 
>> hi all why does my macbook air keep saying files can not be moved?
>> one minute bootcamp works the next it doesn't i am not prepared to restore 
>> the whole mac again just to sort out this issue it is crazy smile
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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[Sarah k Alawami]

Yeah the wifi part is not accessible, but I just created a flash drive as even 
with my  15 mbp connection, it will still be slow to download the mountain lion 
thingy.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Hi Chris, that would certainly be nice if you could do that. That way if I or 
> any other person that can't see had to go into this mode, they had a way to 
> do it without sighted assistance. Thanks very much! Oh, it would also be nice 
> if there were a way to do an   Internet install of OS X without sighted help  
> to…
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to manually enable the 
>> audio service.  there just has! to be.  That would be silly not.  Let me do 
>> some digging around, and will then post the exact steps on how to do it and 
>> get it up and working if there be a way, which as I said, there should be. 
>> It may involve terminal work, but even if so, it shouldn't be anything bad 
>> at all.
>> 
>> Chris Gilland.
>> Founder of CLG Productions
>> http://www.clgproductions.com
>> E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
>> Phone: 803-760-7136
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>> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:07
>> Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover
>> 
>> 
>>> I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, OS 10 only 
>>> uses what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up any sound drivers or 
>>> anything like that.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas  wrote:
>>> 
 hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode 
 yet voiceover does not work?
 i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
 partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry in 
 case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
 
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for those wanting the iPhone gps application from seeing eye

[William Lomas]

the app will not be in UK or outside north america to start with 
although at least when it reaches UK it will be i guess v2

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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[Josh Gregory]

Hi Chris, that would certainly be nice if you could do that. That way if I or 
any other person that can't see had to go into this mode, they had a way to do 
it without sighted assistance. Thanks very much! Oh, it would also be nice if 
there were a way to do an   Internet install of OS X without sighted help  to…

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:

> You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to manually enable the audio 
> service.  there just has! to be.  That would be silly not.  Let me do some 
> digging around, and will then post the exact steps on how to do it and get it 
> up and working if there be a way, which as I said, there should be. It may 
> involve terminal work, but even if so, it shouldn't be anything bad at all.
> 
> Chris Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> http://www.clgproductions.com
> E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
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> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:07
> Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover
> 
> 
>> I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, OS 10 only 
>> uses what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up any sound drivers or 
>> anything like that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode 
>>> yet voiceover does not work?
>>> i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
>>> partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry in 
>>> case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
>>> 
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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I just need to figure out what kext files have to be loaded and how in 
terminal to do so.  Give me some time.  It may take a day or so for me to 
figure this one out, as this is a tuffy, but I'll do what I can, no promises 
though.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Will" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:27
Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover



thanks as could get loads of us out of situations smile

On 27 Feb 2013, at 15:26, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to manually enable the 
audio service.  there just has! to be.  That would be silly not.  Let me 
do some digging around, and will then post the exact steps on how to do 
it and get it up and working if there be a way, which as I said, there 
should be. It may involve terminal work, but even if so, it shouldn't be 
anything bad at all.


Chris Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
http://www.clgproductions.com
E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays.
- Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:07
Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover


I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, OS 10 
only uses what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up any sound 
drivers or anything like that.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas  
wrote:


hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe 
mode yet voiceover does not work?
i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry 
in case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition


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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[JAMES AUSTIN]

Hi Will,

I think I read somewhere that although sound drivers are not loaded in safe 
mode, a Braille Display should work with VO. I could have imagined reading this 
though.

Also, I am not sure if your problems are due exclusively to the fact that you 
have an SSD? I would think that there are plenty of folks who have an SSD drive 
in their Macs running something other than OS X. If this is exclusively an SSD 
issue though hopefully it will get sorted.

Out of interest, have you tried booting into a bootable back up of OS X and 
then tried partitioning your drive with  an MS DOS partition?



Take care
James
 On 27 Feb 2013, at 15:02, William Lomas  wrote:

hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode yet 
voiceover does not work?
i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry in case 
i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition

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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[Will]

thanks as could get loads of us out of situations smile

On 27 Feb 2013, at 15:26, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"  
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> You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to manually enable the audio 
> service.  there just has! to be.  That would be silly not.  Let me do some 
> digging around, and will then post the exact steps on how to do it and get it 
> up and working if there be a way, which as I said, there should be. It may 
> involve terminal work, but even if so, it shouldn't be anything bad at all.
> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:07
> Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover
> 
> 
>> I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, OS 10 only 
>> uses what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up any sound drivers or 
>> anything like that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode 
>>> yet voiceover does not work?
>>> i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
>>> partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry in 
>>> case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
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[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to manually enable the 
audio service.  there just has! to be.  That would be silly not.  Let me do 
some digging around, and will then post the exact steps on how to do it and 
get it up and working if there be a way, which as I said, there should be. 
It may involve terminal work, but even if so, it shouldn't be anything bad 
at all.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Gregory" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:07
Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover


I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, OS 10 only 
uses what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up any sound drivers or 
anything like that.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas  
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hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode 
yet voiceover does not work?
i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry 
in case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition


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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[Josh Gregory]

I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, OS 10 only uses 
what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up any sound drivers or anything 
like that.

Sent from my iPhone

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> hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode yet 
> voiceover does not work?
> i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
> partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry in 
> case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
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safe mode and voiceover

[William Lomas]

hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode yet 
voiceover does not work?
i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry in case 
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Re: keeps saying files can't be moved

[Will]

I am trying to make a Boot Camp partition. I have read on the Internet that 
I'll have to format the Mac and start again it says hello brindle Boot Camp and 
click continue, that files cannot be moved

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:15, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Hi Will,
> 
> You're explanation is not very helpful. What exactly are you trying to move 
> and how are you trying to do it? Under which OS?
> 
> If you could provide us with a little more information, we might be more able 
> to help.
> 
> Hope all is well apart from that.
> Take care
> James 
> On 27 Feb 2013, at 10:22, William Lomas  wrote:
> 
> hi all why does my macbook air keep saying files can not be moved?
> one minute bootcamp works the next it doesn't i am not prepared to restore 
> the whole mac again just to sort out this issue it is crazy smile
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Re: keeps saying files can't be moved

[JAMES AUSTIN]

Hi Will,

You're explanation is not very helpful. What exactly are you trying to move and 
how are you trying to do it? Under which OS?

If you could provide us with a little more information, we might be more able 
to help.

Hope all is well apart from that.
Take care
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hi all why does my macbook air keep saying files can not be moved?
one minute bootcamp works the next it doesn't i am not prepared to restore the 
whole mac again just to sort out this issue it is crazy smile

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itunes

[Karen Burgess]

hi everyone

i'm fairly new to the mac but getting there slowly, i do have some questions 
about iTunes and how it behaves.

firstly, i have a load of music on an iPod touch, as i understand it, if i plug 
the iPod in to my mac here i will lose all the music if i let it sink with the 
iTunes? is there a way of getting all the stuff off the iPod and putting it in 
the iTunes library on my macbook pro?

secondly, if i want different music on different devices is there a way to do 
this? for example i have an iPhone and and iPod touch, i used to sink them on 
different computers but can i have them both using the 1 iTunes library and 
choose what i put on each?

lastly, if i store music on my macbook pro and import it in to my iTunes 
library but its still in the music folder does that mean there are 2 copies on 
the system?

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Re: calling Apple store

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keeps saying files can't be moved

[William Lomas]

hi all why does my macbook air keep saying files can not be moved?
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