RE: moving a file from one location to another

[David Griffith]

You use option command V rather than command v.

David Griffith

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Subject: moving a file from one location to another 



> I've been using them Mac for a few weeks, and I know how to copy and 
> paste a file, But how do you cut a file inorder to paste it to another
location?
> 
> Typed with Fleksy
> reply://george.c...@outlook.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> George,
> 
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Living a file from one location to another

[George Cham]

I've been using them Mac for a few weeks, and I know how to copy and paste a 
file, 
But how do you cut a file inorder to paste it to another location? 

Typed with Fleksy
reply://george.c...@outlook.com




George,

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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

[Michael Marshall]

thanks for that.

Michael
On 16/03/2013 12:14 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I don't  normally do that except when I'm gong to reinstall ml and that means 
while the whole drive including my recovery partition but if you want to do a 
repair like this then hold down cmd r at the start up and wait for about 30 
seconds, let up and start vo.

Good luck.
On Mar 15, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:


hey,
when you boot into a stick does it work just like on the system?
is this what i should do if i need to fix ML?
On 16/03/2013 10:59 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I'm not ester, but what I do is boot in to it via the start up disk thing in system 
prefs in my main os since I can't memorize the layout of that option left right 
thing and I normally don't have the patience to see if what I"m booting in to 
is my recovery drive internal or my usb stick.

Take care.
On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:


hey,
how do you boot into a ML disc or USB stick?
how do you know what to choos?
On 16/03/2013 3:20 AM, Esther wrote:

Hi Cathy,

In most cases you can repair permissions or repair a disk by running Disk 
Utility from the Applications folder.  However, repairs cannot be made on any 
files that are open at the time you run the repair operation, so for really bad 
problems running a Disk repair from the same system volume that is open and 
currently giving you problems may not work to fix things.  So the convention, 
from back in the days when we used install CDs or DVDs for the operating 
system, was to run Disk Utility from the install DVD or CD, on the chance that 
one of the files that is open when your system is running and booted from your 
hard drive is the one that needs repairing.  James translated the action for 
the current operating systems that do not use install DVDs or CDs to running 
the repair operation from the recovery partition.

What I usually do for instances that require extensive trouble-shooting is to 
attach a hard drive with a bootable clone or a USB memory stick on which I have 
created a bootable version of the operating system (with Carbon Copy Cloner or 
Lion Diskmaker), then boot from there.  This is also the usual procedure that I 
adopt if really heavy-duty repair and diagnosis tools, such as Alsoft's Disk 
Warrior, are needed.  I have a copy of the software on the cloned disk drive, 
and run it from there.

You can read a summary of good Maintenance practices, that includes 
periodically running Disk Utility to repair permissions, at this OS X Daily web 
site:
• OS X Daily: 4 Simple Mac Maintenance Tips
http://osxdaily.com/2012/03/04/mac-maintenance-tips/
(For new Mac users, remember to use Command-Shift-R to bring up Safari Reader, 
so you can focus on reading the article without viewing any of the other page 
content.)

If you want a (much) more extensive description of maintenance practices, this 
old Mac Attorney page on Mac OS X Routine Maintenance hits all the conceptual 
highlights, even if it was written for systems 10.2 through 10.6, and includes 
details about older systems:
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html

Cleaning out caches, and corrupted preference files, both discussed on the Mac 
Attorney page, are much lower down on the trouble-shooting list, but are 
situations you may eventually encounter if you run your Mac long enough.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Cathy wrote


hello,
the update is various security and bug fixes. details are on the ap store site 
when you download and install.

I wanted to thank James for explaining how to repair a disk, this is a handy 
thing to know. however, in this instance, my husband found an easy fix. instead 
of opening the program from my desktop, he suggested I open it from the 
application window. sure enough it worked like a charm. so I sent the old mail 
program to trash and copied the mail from the applications window to my desktop 
and now I am in business.

Cathy


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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

[Sarah k Alawami]

I don't  normally do that except when I'm gong to reinstall ml and that means 
while the whole drive including my recovery partition but if you want to do a 
repair like this then hold down cmd r at the start up and wait for about 30 
seconds, let up and start vo.

Good luck.
On Mar 15, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> hey,
> when you boot into a stick does it work just like on the system?
> is this what i should do if i need to fix ML?
> On 16/03/2013 10:59 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> I'm not ester, but what I do is boot in to it via the start up disk thing in 
>> system prefs in my main os since I can't memorize the layout of that option 
>> left right thing and I normally don't have the patience to see if what I"m 
>> booting in to is my recovery drive internal or my usb stick.
>> 
>> Take care.
>> On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> hey,
>>> how do you boot into a ML disc or USB stick?
>>> how do you know what to choos?
>>> On 16/03/2013 3:20 AM, Esther wrote:
 Hi Cathy,
 
 In most cases you can repair permissions or repair a disk by running Disk 
 Utility from the Applications folder.  However, repairs cannot be made on 
 any files that are open at the time you run the repair operation, so for 
 really bad problems running a Disk repair from the same system volume that 
 is open and currently giving you problems may not work to fix things.  So 
 the convention, from back in the days when we used install CDs or DVDs for 
 the operating system, was to run Disk Utility from the install DVD or CD, 
 on the chance that one of the files that is open when your system is 
 running and booted from your hard drive is the one that needs repairing.  
 James translated the action for the current operating systems that do not 
 use install DVDs or CDs to running the repair operation from the recovery 
 partition.
 
 What I usually do for instances that require extensive trouble-shooting is 
 to attach a hard drive with a bootable clone or a USB memory stick on 
 which I have created a bootable version of the operating system (with 
 Carbon Copy Cloner or Lion Diskmaker), then boot from there.  This is also 
 the usual procedure that I adopt if really heavy-duty repair and diagnosis 
 tools, such as Alsoft's Disk Warrior, are needed.  I have a copy of the 
 software on the cloned disk drive, and run it from there.
 
 You can read a summary of good Maintenance practices, that includes 
 periodically running Disk Utility to repair permissions, at this OS X 
 Daily web site:
 • OS X Daily: 4 Simple Mac Maintenance Tips
 http://osxdaily.com/2012/03/04/mac-maintenance-tips/
 (For new Mac users, remember to use Command-Shift-R to bring up Safari 
 Reader, so you can focus on reading the article without viewing any of the 
 other page content.)
 
 If you want a (much) more extensive description of maintenance practices, 
 this old Mac Attorney page on Mac OS X Routine Maintenance hits all the 
 conceptual highlights, even if it was written for systems 10.2 through 
 10.6, and includes details about older systems:
 http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
 
 Cleaning out caches, and corrupted preference files, both discussed on the 
 Mac Attorney page, are much lower down on the trouble-shooting list, but 
 are situations you may eventually encounter if you run your Mac long 
 enough.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Cathy wrote
 
> hello,
> the update is various security and bug fixes. details are on the ap store 
> site when you download and install.
> 
> I wanted to thank James for explaining how to repair a disk, this is a 
> handy thing to know. however, in this instance, my husband found an easy 
> fix. instead of opening the program from my desktop, he suggested I open 
> it from the application window. sure enough it worked like a charm. so I 
> sent the old mail program to trash and copied the mail from the 
> applications window to my desktop and now I am in business.
> 
> Cathy
> 
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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
when you boot into a stick does it work just like on the system?
is this what i should do if i need to fix ML?
On 16/03/2013 10:59 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I'm not ester, but what I do is boot in to it via the start up disk thing in system 
prefs in my main os since I can't memorize the layout of that option left right 
thing and I normally don't have the patience to see if what I"m booting in to 
is my recovery drive internal or my usb stick.

Take care.
On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:


hey,
how do you boot into a ML disc or USB stick?
how do you know what to choos?
On 16/03/2013 3:20 AM, Esther wrote:

Hi Cathy,

In most cases you can repair permissions or repair a disk by running Disk 
Utility from the Applications folder.  However, repairs cannot be made on any 
files that are open at the time you run the repair operation, so for really bad 
problems running a Disk repair from the same system volume that is open and 
currently giving you problems may not work to fix things.  So the convention, 
from back in the days when we used install CDs or DVDs for the operating 
system, was to run Disk Utility from the install DVD or CD, on the chance that 
one of the files that is open when your system is running and booted from your 
hard drive is the one that needs repairing.  James translated the action for 
the current operating systems that do not use install DVDs or CDs to running 
the repair operation from the recovery partition.

What I usually do for instances that require extensive trouble-shooting is to 
attach a hard drive with a bootable clone or a USB memory stick on which I have 
created a bootable version of the operating system (with Carbon Copy Cloner or 
Lion Diskmaker), then boot from there.  This is also the usual procedure that I 
adopt if really heavy-duty repair and diagnosis tools, such as Alsoft's Disk 
Warrior, are needed.  I have a copy of the software on the cloned disk drive, 
and run it from there.

You can read a summary of good Maintenance practices, that includes 
periodically running Disk Utility to repair permissions, at this OS X Daily web 
site:
• OS X Daily: 4 Simple Mac Maintenance Tips
http://osxdaily.com/2012/03/04/mac-maintenance-tips/
(For new Mac users, remember to use Command-Shift-R to bring up Safari Reader, 
so you can focus on reading the article without viewing any of the other page 
content.)

If you want a (much) more extensive description of maintenance practices, this 
old Mac Attorney page on Mac OS X Routine Maintenance hits all the conceptual 
highlights, even if it was written for systems 10.2 through 10.6, and includes 
details about older systems:
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html

Cleaning out caches, and corrupted preference files, both discussed on the Mac 
Attorney page, are much lower down on the trouble-shooting list, but are 
situations you may eventually encounter if you run your Mac long enough.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Cathy wrote


hello,
the update is various security and bug fixes. details are on the ap store site 
when you download and install.

I wanted to thank James for explaining how to repair a disk, this is a handy 
thing to know. however, in this instance, my husband found an easy fix. instead 
of opening the program from my desktop, he suggested I open it from the 
application window. sure enough it worked like a charm. so I sent the old mail 
program to trash and copied the mail from the applications window to my desktop 
and now I am in business.

Cathy


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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

[Sarah k Alawami]

I'm not ester, but what I do is boot in to it via the start up disk thing in 
system prefs in my main os since I can't memorize the layout of that option 
left right thing and I normally don't have the patience to see if what I"m 
booting in to is my recovery drive internal or my usb stick.

Take care.
On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> hey,
> how do you boot into a ML disc or USB stick?
> how do you know what to choos?
> On 16/03/2013 3:20 AM, Esther wrote:
>> Hi Cathy,
>> 
>> In most cases you can repair permissions or repair a disk by running Disk 
>> Utility from the Applications folder.  However, repairs cannot be made on 
>> any files that are open at the time you run the repair operation, so for 
>> really bad problems running a Disk repair from the same system volume that 
>> is open and currently giving you problems may not work to fix things.  So 
>> the convention, from back in the days when we used install CDs or DVDs for 
>> the operating system, was to run Disk Utility from the install DVD or CD, on 
>> the chance that one of the files that is open when your system is running 
>> and booted from your hard drive is the one that needs repairing.  James 
>> translated the action for the current operating systems that do not use 
>> install DVDs or CDs to running the repair operation from the recovery 
>> partition.
>> 
>> What I usually do for instances that require extensive trouble-shooting is 
>> to attach a hard drive with a bootable clone or a USB memory stick on which 
>> I have created a bootable version of the operating system (with Carbon Copy 
>> Cloner or Lion Diskmaker), then boot from there.  This is also the usual 
>> procedure that I adopt if really heavy-duty repair and diagnosis tools, such 
>> as Alsoft's Disk Warrior, are needed.  I have a copy of the software on the 
>> cloned disk drive, and run it from there.
>> 
>> You can read a summary of good Maintenance practices, that includes 
>> periodically running Disk Utility to repair permissions, at this OS X Daily 
>> web site:
>> • OS X Daily: 4 Simple Mac Maintenance Tips
>> http://osxdaily.com/2012/03/04/mac-maintenance-tips/
>> (For new Mac users, remember to use Command-Shift-R to bring up Safari 
>> Reader, so you can focus on reading the article without viewing any of the 
>> other page content.)
>> 
>> If you want a (much) more extensive description of maintenance practices, 
>> this old Mac Attorney page on Mac OS X Routine Maintenance hits all the 
>> conceptual highlights, even if it was written for systems 10.2 through 10.6, 
>> and includes details about older systems:
>> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
>> 
>> Cleaning out caches, and corrupted preference files, both discussed on the 
>> Mac Attorney page, are much lower down on the trouble-shooting list, but are 
>> situations you may eventually encounter if you run your Mac long enough.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Cathy wrote
>> 
>>> hello,
>>> the update is various security and bug fixes. details are on the ap store 
>>> site when you download and install.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to thank James for explaining how to repair a disk, this is a 
>>> handy thing to know. however, in this instance, my husband found an easy 
>>> fix. instead of opening the program from my desktop, he suggested I open it 
>>> from the application window. sure enough it worked like a charm. so I sent 
>>> the old mail program to trash and copied the mail from the applications 
>>> window to my desktop and now I am in business.
>>> 
>>> Cathy
>>> 
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Braille Display Question.

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hi Folks:

How does one prevent VoiceOver from using dots 7 and 8 throughout the 
presentation of data?


Thanks all over the place.

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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
how do you boot into a ML disc or USB stick?
how do you know what to choos?
On 16/03/2013 3:20 AM, Esther wrote:

Hi Cathy,

In most cases you can repair permissions or repair a disk by running Disk 
Utility from the Applications folder.  However, repairs cannot be made on any 
files that are open at the time you run the repair operation, so for really bad 
problems running a Disk repair from the same system volume that is open and 
currently giving you problems may not work to fix things.  So the convention, 
from back in the days when we used install CDs or DVDs for the operating 
system, was to run Disk Utility from the install DVD or CD, on the chance that 
one of the files that is open when your system is running and booted from your 
hard drive is the one that needs repairing.  James translated the action for 
the current operating systems that do not use install DVDs or CDs to running 
the repair operation from the recovery partition.

What I usually do for instances that require extensive trouble-shooting is to 
attach a hard drive with a bootable clone or a USB memory stick on which I have 
created a bootable version of the operating system (with Carbon Copy Cloner or 
Lion Diskmaker), then boot from there.  This is also the usual procedure that I 
adopt if really heavy-duty repair and diagnosis tools, such as Alsoft's Disk 
Warrior, are needed.  I have a copy of the software on the cloned disk drive, 
and run it from there.

You can read a summary of good Maintenance practices, that includes 
periodically running Disk Utility to repair permissions, at this OS X Daily web 
site:
• OS X Daily: 4 Simple Mac Maintenance Tips
http://osxdaily.com/2012/03/04/mac-maintenance-tips/
(For new Mac users, remember to use Command-Shift-R to bring up Safari Reader, 
so you can focus on reading the article without viewing any of the other page 
content.)

If you want a (much) more extensive description of maintenance practices, this 
old Mac Attorney page on Mac OS X Routine Maintenance hits all the conceptual 
highlights, even if it was written for systems 10.2 through 10.6, and includes 
details about older systems:
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html

Cleaning out caches, and corrupted preference files, both discussed on the Mac 
Attorney page, are much lower down on the trouble-shooting list, but are 
situations you may eventually encounter if you run your Mac long enough.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Cathy wrote


hello,
the update is various security and bug fixes. details are on the ap store site 
when you download and install.

I wanted to thank James for explaining how to repair a disk, this is a handy 
thing to know. however, in this instance, my husband found an easy fix. instead 
of opening the program from my desktop, he suggested I open it from the 
application window. sure enough it worked like a charm. so I sent the old mail 
program to trash and copied the mail from the applications window to my desktop 
and now I am in business.

Cathy


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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

[Cathy]

thank you Ester. your posts are always very informative. I believe I will need 
to study this subject a bit and read the suggested maintenance information. 
better to know it now then to wait for a problem and not know what to do.

Cathy

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Re: Bento busy?

[Zachary Kline]

Dear Lynn,
Thanks for this workaround. It isn't ideal, but I'll give it a try and hope for 
the best. I remember a previous trial version of Bento I downloaded didn't seem 
to have these problems. I guess software is mysterious.
Yours,
Zack.
On Mar 15, 2013, at 10:32 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
 wrote:

> Hello Sarah
> 
> On 13 Mar 2013, at 20:41, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> 
> • Do the devs know about this? I don't use the program as I dont' need to any 
> data base work, how ever I think it woudl be a good idea to contact the devs 
> about this as I know some other list members use bento on their macs.
> 
> Firstly, I really wonder whether this is helpful given that you don't use the 
> software. . The question from Zack was whether anybody else is seeing the 
> issue. So, let me try to answer it, as we are Bento users.
> 
> Zack, yes, the issue exists here but let me tell you what's going on visually 
> while you're seeing the busy signals. Bento is searching for a valid library. 
> It also contacts the server on every launch to see if your copy is registered 
> or not. Then, software update comes into play. Bento does a pretty strange 
> sequence of checking different servers to see if there's a software build 
> later than yours. It seems to be the case that Bento is going into a loop 
> when VoiceOver tris to interact with it. Whether this is Apple's fault or 
> not, I don't know. However, I believe that Apple has shares in the Filemaker 
> Corporation so it might be a good idea to contact them first. However, as a 
> short-term work-around, Launch Bento with VO turned off and leave it for 
> about 30 seconds. You may then find it works. Not always, but most of the 
> time when I have tried this it does seem to work.
> 
> Lynne
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Re: Bento busy?

[Sarah k Alawami]

Ah Ok. good luck and keep us posted to see if her fix works or not.

Tc and be blessed.
On Mar 15, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
 wrote:

> Hello Sarah
> 
> On 13 Mar 2013, at 20:41, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> 
> • Do the devs know about this? I don't use the program as I dont' need to any 
> data base work, how ever I think it woudl be a good idea to contact the devs 
> about this as I know some other list members use bento on their macs.
> 
> Firstly, I really wonder whether this is helpful given that you don't use the 
> software. . The question from Zack was whether anybody else is seeing the 
> issue. So, let me try to answer it, as we are Bento users.
> 
> Zack, yes, the issue exists here but let me tell you what's going on visually 
> while you're seeing the busy signals. Bento is searching for a valid library. 
> It also contacts the server on every launch to see if your copy is registered 
> or not. Then, software update comes into play. Bento does a pretty strange 
> sequence of checking different servers to see if there's a software build 
> later than yours. It seems to be the case that Bento is going into a loop 
> when VoiceOver tris to interact with it. Whether this is Apple's fault or 
> not, I don't know. However, I believe that Apple has shares in the Filemaker 
> Corporation so it might be a good idea to contact them first. However, as a 
> short-term work-around, Launch Bento with VO turned off and leave it for 
> about 30 seconds. You may then find it works. Not always, but most of the 
> time when I have tried this it does seem to work.
> 
> Lynne
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Re: Bento busy?

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello Sarah

On 13 Mar 2013, at 20:41, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

• Do the devs know about this? I don't use the program as I dont' need to any 
data base work, how ever I think it woudl be a good idea to contact the devs 
about this as I know some other list members use bento on their macs.

Firstly, I really wonder whether this is helpful given that you don't use the 
software. . The question from Zack was whether anybody else is seeing the 
issue. So, let me try to answer it, as we are Bento users.

Zack, yes, the issue exists here but let me tell you what's going on visually 
while you're seeing the busy signals. Bento is searching for a valid library. 
It also contacts the server on every launch to see if your copy is registered 
or not. Then, software update comes into play. Bento does a pretty strange 
sequence of checking different servers to see if there's a software build later 
than yours. It seems to be the case that Bento is going into a loop when 
VoiceOver tris to interact with it. Whether this is Apple's fault or not, I 
don't know. However, I believe that Apple has shares in the Filemaker 
Corporation so it might be a good idea to contact them first. However, as a 
short-term work-around, Launch Bento with VO turned off and leave it for about 
30 seconds. You may then find it works. Not always, but most of the time when I 
have tried this it does seem to work.

Lynne

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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

[Esther]

Hi Cathy,

In most cases you can repair permissions or repair a disk by running Disk 
Utility from the Applications folder.  However, repairs cannot be made on any 
files that are open at the time you run the repair operation, so for really bad 
problems running a Disk repair from the same system volume that is open and 
currently giving you problems may not work to fix things.  So the convention, 
from back in the days when we used install CDs or DVDs for the operating 
system, was to run Disk Utility from the install DVD or CD, on the chance that 
one of the files that is open when your system is running and booted from your 
hard drive is the one that needs repairing.  James translated the action for 
the current operating systems that do not use install DVDs or CDs to running 
the repair operation from the recovery partition.

What I usually do for instances that require extensive trouble-shooting is to 
attach a hard drive with a bootable clone or a USB memory stick on which I have 
created a bootable version of the operating system (with Carbon Copy Cloner or 
Lion Diskmaker), then boot from there.  This is also the usual procedure that I 
adopt if really heavy-duty repair and diagnosis tools, such as Alsoft's Disk 
Warrior, are needed.  I have a copy of the software on the cloned disk drive, 
and run it from there.

You can read a summary of good Maintenance practices, that includes 
periodically running Disk Utility to repair permissions, at this OS X Daily web 
site:
• OS X Daily: 4 Simple Mac Maintenance Tips
http://osxdaily.com/2012/03/04/mac-maintenance-tips/
(For new Mac users, remember to use Command-Shift-R to bring up Safari Reader, 
so you can focus on reading the article without viewing any of the other page 
content.)

If you want a (much) more extensive description of maintenance practices, this 
old Mac Attorney page on Mac OS X Routine Maintenance hits all the conceptual 
highlights, even if it was written for systems 10.2 through 10.6, and includes 
details about older systems:
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html

Cleaning out caches, and corrupted preference files, both discussed on the Mac 
Attorney page, are much lower down on the trouble-shooting list, but are 
situations you may eventually encounter if you run your Mac long enough.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Cathy wrote

> hello,
> the update is various security and bug fixes. details are on the ap store 
> site when you download and install.
> 
> I wanted to thank James for explaining how to repair a disk, this is a handy 
> thing to know. however, in this instance, my husband found an easy fix. 
> instead of opening the program from my desktop, he suggested I open it from 
> the application window. sure enough it worked like a charm. so I sent the old 
> mail program to trash and copied the mail from the applications window to my 
> desktop and now I am in business.
> 
> Cathy
> 

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Braille Display Problems.

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hi Gang:

 

I am trying to connect a Brailliant BI 40 to an iMac via bluetooth.
Although the computer reports that the display is paired, it also reports
that the display is not connected and there is no data being sent to the
device.

 

Any help would be appreciated all over the place.

 

 

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Re: blindhow.com

[Esther]

Hi Lovette and Others,

I went to the blindhow.com web site and listened to and then downloaded one of 
their featured audio programs on "Siri with iOS 6" (from September 2012). 
Here's what worked for me:
1. Bring up links chooser menu (VO-U) on the web page with the audio program 
player
2. Type "m p 3" to find the "Siri with iOS6.mp3" link in the links chooser 
menu, then press return to navigate there
3. Use VO-Shift-M to bring up the contextual menu for the link
4. Arrow down to either the "Download Linked File" or "Download Linked File 
As…" menu option and press return
This method worked download the file.  I was also able to download the file by:
4a. Choosing the "Copy link" option from the contextual menu, then
5. Pressing Command-L to move to the Safari address bar and highlight the 
address of the link
6. Paste in the copied link address with Command-V (which gives access to the 
link address location in highlighted form)
7. Pressing Option-Enter to download the file, now that the link location is 
highlighted
The last 4 steps are the method that I suggested in my earlier post from my 
iPhone.  The blindhow.com page I visited has an "Audio Player"  region that you 
have to interact with in order to navigate to the player controls. Just past 
the player controls is the "Siri with iOS6.mp3" link, and the next element is 
an instruction "right click to download".  If you navigate back to that mp3 
link, then pressing either Option-Enter or just the "Enter" (i.e."return") key 
by itself will act to play/pause the audio.  Pressing Control-Click, which is 
the Mac keyboard equivalent of doing a right click with a mouse, brings up the 
context menu for the link, with the option to download.  VO-Shift-M, which is 
the VoiceOver software equivalent command of a right click with a mouse, also 
worked here to bring up the same context menu.  I make the distinction between 
these two options, because in some cases I may find that the software command 
option doesn't work, but the hardware keyboard equivalent option of 
Control-click always works -- whether or not someone is using VoiceOver.  The 
only instances where I have not been able to use Control-click to bring up the 
context menu is in badly coded web pages where you cannot actually bring focus 
to the link, usually because the web page designer has decided to use the HTML 
element to visually format the design of a web page.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther   

>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 12:41, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>> 
>>> HI there.
>>> I cannot seem to download files from this site using Voice Over.
>>> I have tried command enter, but that did not work.
>>> Can anyone help?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Lovette
>> 

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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

[Josh Gregory]

That's interesting… I didn't think you could delete programs that were required 
by the operating system… I guess you learn something new every day, :-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Cathy  wrote:

> hello,
> the update is various security and bug fixes. details are on the ap store 
> site when you download and install.
> 
> I wanted to thank James for explaining how to repair a disk, this is a handy 
> thing to know. however, in this instance, my husband found an easy fix. 
> instead of opening the program from my desktop, he suggested I open it from 
> the application window. sure enough it worked like a charm. so I sent the old 
> mail program to trash and copied the mail from the applications window to my 
> desktop and now I am in business.
> 
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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

[Cathy]

hello,
the update is various security and bug fixes. details are on the ap store site 
when you download and install.

I wanted to thank James for explaining how to repair a disk, this is a handy 
thing to know. however, in this instance, my husband found an easy fix. instead 
of opening the program from my desktop, he suggested I open it from the 
application window. sure enough it worked like a charm. so I sent the old mail 
program to trash and copied the mail from the applications window to my desktop 
and now I am in business.

Cathy

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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
what are the new feechers of this update of ML?
On 15/03/2013 8:49 PM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote:

There isn't, occasionally, Mail will ask to be updated but you just need to 
click continue and this takes a few seconds.

It is often worth running a Disk Repair and/or a Permissions repair before and 
after an update as sometimes, things can get a little messy.

This is from memory, so i hope the steps are accurate. but to do this:

1. Restart your Mac - make sure you don't have any external drives connected.
2. Press and hold option are as you hear the "bong" sound.
3. Navigate once to the right with the arrow keys and press enter.
4. This will launch the recovery partition
5. After this has launched - maybe a few minutes, start VoiceOver - you might 
need to hold down the FN key if you have a Macbook model.
6. You should find the option to Repair Permissions etc in the dialogue that 
appears on-screen


Hope this helps
James
On 15 Mar 2013, at 02:17, "Cathy"  wrote:

Hello,

I began with ML from late 2012.

I updated the software for my ML 10.8 on my Mac mini tonight. Then I tried
to open my mail ap only to get the message that this version of mail does
not work with ML. the ap would not even open so I could check the menu to
see if there was a separate menu item to update mail.  now what? Shouldn't
the mail program have automatically updated? I selected the button to update
all available software. If there is something else I must do to update my
mail ap,  please give me instructions on how to resolve this problem. only
reason I can even post is because my "other" unnamed computer is still
limping along.



Thanks, Cathy



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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

[Josh Gregory]

Actually, you go to the disk utility, Which is in the table that first appears 
when the recovery thing launches, then click continue, and it somewhere in 
there. I think under first aid.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2013, at 5:49 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> There isn't, occasionally, Mail will ask to be updated but you just need to 
> click continue and this takes a few seconds.
> 
> It is often worth running a Disk Repair and/or a Permissions repair before 
> and after an update as sometimes, things can get a little messy.
> 
> This is from memory, so i hope the steps are accurate. but to do this:
> 
> 1. Restart your Mac - make sure you don't have any external drives connected.
> 2. Press and hold option are as you hear the "bong" sound.
> 3. Navigate once to the right with the arrow keys and press enter.
> 4. This will launch the recovery partition
> 5. After this has launched - maybe a few minutes, start VoiceOver - you might 
> need to hold down the FN key if you have a Macbook model.
> 6. You should find the option to Repair Permissions etc in the dialogue that 
> appears on-screen
> 
> 
> Hope this helps 
> James 
> On 15 Mar 2013, at 02:17, "Cathy"  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I began with ML from late 2012. 
> 
> I updated the software for my ML 10.8 on my Mac mini tonight. Then I tried
> to open my mail ap only to get the message that this version of mail does
> not work with ML. the ap would not even open so I could check the menu to
> see if there was a separate menu item to update mail.  now what? Shouldn't
> the mail program have automatically updated? I selected the button to update
> all available software. If there is something else I must do to update my
> mail ap,  please give me instructions on how to resolve this problem. only
> reason I can even post is because my "other" unnamed computer is still
> limping along.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, Cathy
> 
> 
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Re: need pages help

[JAMES AUSTIN]

Hi Laurel

One of the many shortcomings of VoiceOver in this app unfortunately. When I've 
had this problem in the past, I have interacted with the "body", rooted the 
mouse to the area with VO+Command+F5 and then physically clicked the mouse. 
This has always fixed the problem for me if I remember correctly.

Hope this helps
James 
On 15 Mar 2013, at 00:09, Laurel Wheeler  wrote:

Ok all,
I need some help fixing something. Earlier I was working in a pages document. I 
use vo with the roter to navigate by word using my up and down arrows. I closed 
my computer and came back to it later. I opened the same pages document to 
continue working in it. I found that I could no longer navigate by word using 
my up and down arrows. I now have to use my left and right arrows. I also 
cannot write anything in this file, or edit it. What did I do, and how can I 
fix this?
Thanks,
Laurel
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Re: ML 10.8 update problem

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There isn't, occasionally, Mail will ask to be updated but you just need to 
click continue and this takes a few seconds.

It is often worth running a Disk Repair and/or a Permissions repair before and 
after an update as sometimes, things can get a little messy.

This is from memory, so i hope the steps are accurate. but to do this:

1. Restart your Mac - make sure you don't have any external drives connected.
2. Press and hold option are as you hear the "bong" sound.
3. Navigate once to the right with the arrow keys and press enter.
4. This will launch the recovery partition
5. After this has launched - maybe a few minutes, start VoiceOver - you might 
need to hold down the FN key if you have a Macbook model.
6. You should find the option to Repair Permissions etc in the dialogue that 
appears on-screen


Hope this helps 
James 
On 15 Mar 2013, at 02:17, "Cathy"  wrote:

Hello,

I began with ML from late 2012. 

I updated the software for my ML 10.8 on my Mac mini tonight. Then I tried
to open my mail ap only to get the message that this version of mail does
not work with ML. the ap would not even open so I could check the menu to
see if there was a separate menu item to update mail.  now what? Shouldn't
the mail program have automatically updated? I selected the button to update
all available software. If there is something else I must do to update my
mail ap,  please give me instructions on how to resolve this problem. only
reason I can even post is because my "other" unnamed computer is still
limping along.



Thanks, Cathy



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ML 10.8 update problem

[Cathy]

Hello,

I began with ML from late 2012. 

I updated the software for my ML 10.8 on my Mac mini tonight. Then I tried
to open my mail ap only to get the message that this version of mail does
not work with ML. the ap would not even open so I could check the menu to
see if there was a separate menu item to update mail.  now what? Shouldn't
the mail program have automatically updated? I selected the button to update
all available software. If there is something else I must do to update my
mail ap,  please give me instructions on how to resolve this problem. only
reason I can even post is because my "other" unnamed computer is still
limping along.

 

Thanks, Cathy

 

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