The procedure required, and most powerful software

[Gordon Smith]

Hi all

OK, for another project I need to be able to mix two or more files together.  
This is a radio project so the jingle bed needs to be dynamic in terms of 
volume.  Could somebody plead outline the best way of accomplishing this task 
using OS X audio editing software and mixing software?I don't want to have 
to pay others to do the work, I want to be able to do it myself.

Thanks.

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Re: This really is going to hurt a lot of blind people I think, read it!

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Hi Phil

if you are able to create an image like this yourself, what would be the point? 
 You'd be able to create all of the images required.

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Re: This really is going to hurt a lot of blind people I think, read it!

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Firstly, what on earth was the point in a single-word response?
I think Chris has a fair point here.  In fact, I can see it both ways.  Chris 
is obviously quite an advanced user although I don't know what his Mac 
experience level is.  All the same, I tad to agree with the other Chris, Chris 
Moore, that is.  We need to live with it, so that's how it is.

Yes, sure, it'll be great if we can find a reliable way of overcoming this 
challenge.  But let's face it, and I have discussed this with Lynne who it was 
that initially started the topic, we live in a visual world.  It would be 
really silly I think, if blind people were to be dragged kicking and screaming 
into the 21st century.  We gave to overcome these challenges, like it or not.  
personally I think using the sane dull image for every podcast would be really 
negative.  We need to try and compete on the same level of performance as those 
who can see.  We don't want to be inhibited by practicality.  So let's just try 
and find a way around the problem. It exists but, as others have already 
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On 22 Mar 2013, at 16:05, Phil Halton  wrote:

groovey!

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Hi Sean

I think Lynne is referring to the way the server handles PHP scripting.  This 
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PHP5 which is bundled with OS X 10.8 and 10.7 should work fine.

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Re: Evaluating Assistant List Controllers

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On 22 Mar 2013, at 22:47, Josh Gregory  wrote:

Same here, joshgregory 93.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:

> Lynn and others,
> 
> I have no issue at all with Skype, and I'd love to talk to you all anyway. I 
> love making new friends.  So if you, or anyone else would like to add me, I'd 
> be delighted to make a new friend.
> 
> My Skype name is:
> 
> twinklesfriend2007
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy" 
> 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:18 PM
> Subject: Evaluating Assistant List Controllers
> 
> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> Firstly, I would like to publicly thank all of those who have, during the 
> past 24 hours, responded to our initial invitation to apply for list 
> assistant controllers positions. The response has been far more positive than 
> I had expected, and I am humbled by the amount of interest there is from 
> members to help up run the group efficiently.
> 
> Gordon and I have been mulling this one over and we believe now that it would 
> be best to have maybe a minimum of three controllers in different time zones 
> to us, as well as perhaps, one in the same time zone to cover those times 
> when we simply don't have the ability to monitor any longer.
> 
> I shall be contacting all of those who have so far responded to the call. 
> Gordon is suggesting that possibly you might like to do a short Skype or 
> telephone chat with him about what you see your role as and how you'd feel 
> you can fit in. Does anybody have any issues with that? If so, please feel 
> free to raise them off list when I respond to your message.
> 
> Many thanks yet again.
> Lynne
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Re: The procedure required, and most powerful software

[Chris Gilland]

I still stand by saying if you're looking for quote:  the most powerful 
software, unquote, you really! need to look at getting ProTools.  I know 
it's a bit pricy... ok, it's extremely! ;pricy, but believe me, you won't 
regret.  It will let you do everything! and then some, that you're trying to 
achieve.  Really, I'm not trying to be difficult nor steer you away from the 
money you have, but, you did! did you not? say you wanted the most powerful 
software, in your subject line.  Well, I'm here to tell you that Garage 
Band, though good for what it does, and Amadeus Pro, etc. also though good 
for what they do, are *not!* the most powerful.  If you really want out from 
under the hood, and really want the tools to be able to endlessly learn, and 
really explore new possibilities, then I still argue that ProTools is going 
to be your best option.  I'll stand by that rock solid.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Gordon Smith" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:21 AM
Subject: The procedure required, and most powerful software



Hi all

OK, for another project I need to be able to mix two or more files 
together.  This is a radio project so the jingle bed needs to be dynamic 
in terms of volume.  Could somebody plead outline the best way of 
accomplishing this task using OS X audio editing software and mixing 
software?I don't want to have to pay others to do the work, I want to 
be able to do it myself.


Thanks.

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Re: Evaluating Assistant List Controllers

[Chris Gilland]

Gordon,

If either Josh or myself implied we were wishing this to be discussed on 
list, that was definitely not my intention.  I was simply stating that I'd 
love to talk to you and others on Skype.


I'm off to get you added to my Skype contacts now.  Yesterday was a bit 
hectic, and so never got around to it.


I plan to do so now.  I'm gonna add your mac-access.net account.

Chris.

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Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Evaluating Assistant List Controllers


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On 22 Mar 2013, at 22:47, Josh Gregory  wrote:

Same here, joshgregory 93.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2013, at 6:44 PM, "Chris Gilland"  
wrote:



Lynn and others,

I have no issue at all with Skype, and I'd love to talk to you all anyway. 
I love making new friends.  So if you, or anyone else would like to add 
me, I'd be delighted to make a new friend.


My Skype name is:

twinklesfriend2007

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Evaluating Assistant List Controllers


Hello everybody

Firstly, I would like to publicly thank all of those who have, during the 
past 24 hours, responded to our initial invitation to apply for list 
assistant controllers positions. The response has been far more positive 
than I had expected, and I am humbled by the amount of interest there is 
from members to help up run the group efficiently.


Gordon and I have been mulling this one over and we believe now that it 
would be best to have maybe a minimum of three controllers in different 
time zones to us, as well as perhaps, one in the same time zone to cover 
those times when we simply don't have the ability to monitor any longer.


I shall be contacting all of those who have so far responded to the call. 
Gordon is suggesting that possibly you might like to do a short Skype or 
telephone chat with him about what you see your role as and how you'd feel 
you can fit in. Does anybody have any issues with that? If so, please feel 
free to raise them off list when I respond to your message.


Many thanks yet again.
Lynne

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Stand Scan

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi all,

Just had a conversation on twitter about a device called Stand Scan.  I provide 
a link below.  Has anyone used this?  I'd be interested in an opinion because 
it looks very good.

http://standscan.com/StandScan/

Cheers,

Dónal

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RE: Stand Scan

[David Griffith]

I have.

I will comment further later but to be honest on first impression I am
disappointed. Basically a cardboard folder which is constructed into a box.
Quite flimsy and probably not suitable for any robust long term use.
I need to experiment further to see what the scanning results are like.

David Griffith

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dónal Fitzpatrick
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Subject: Stand Scan

Hi all,

Just had a conversation on twitter about a device called Stand Scan.  I
provide a link below.  Has anyone used this?  I'd be interested in an
opinion because it looks very good.

http://standscan.com/StandScan/

Cheers,

Dónal

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Re: Stand Scan

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Ah I see.  Wasn't aware it was constructed so flimsily.

As always David thanks for the prompt response.

Dónal
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> I have.
> 
> I will comment further later but to be honest on first impression I am
> disappointed. Basically a cardboard folder which is constructed into a box.
> Quite flimsy and probably not suitable for any robust long term use.
> I need to experiment further to see what the scanning results are like.
> 
> David Griffith
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> Sent: 23 March 2013 20:32
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Stand Scan
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just had a conversation on twitter about a device called Stand Scan.  I
> provide a link below.  Has anyone used this?  I'd be interested in an
> opinion because it looks very good.
> 
> http://standscan.com/StandScan/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
>   
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Re: Stand Scan

[Glenn]

I'm wondering if a phone holder for the car would work better.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "David Griffith" 
To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: Stand Scan


I have.

I will comment further later but to be honest on first impression I am
disappointed. Basically a cardboard folder which is constructed into a box.
Quite flimsy and probably not suitable for any robust long term use.
I need to experiment further to see what the scanning results are like.

David Griffith

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dónal Fitzpatrick
Sent: 23 March 2013 20:32
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Stand Scan

Hi all,

Just had a conversation on twitter about a device called Stand Scan.  I
provide a link below.  Has anyone used this?  I'd be interested in an
opinion because it looks very good.

http://standscan.com/StandScan/

Cheers,

Dónal

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Re: Stand Scan

[Esther]

Hello Dónal and David,

You might want to wait for Ann Robertson's comments on sample results from the 
StandScan Pro.  The StandScan basic model doesn't have sufficient light power 
for good results from general scanning.  It's designed for inexpensive portable 
use with the iPhone (which is why the design appears to be flimsy).  
Effectiveness of use of OCR programs on iOS devices by blind users is a 
controversial topic, but among those who do this successfully (even before 
StandScan), there's a general preference for Prizmo, which has more tolerance 
to skewed images as well as doing good OCR.  I think that ABBYY TextGrabber + 
Translator  should work well with the StandScan Pro, based on how well it does 
on screen capture images.  But I don't have direct experience with the 
StandScan Pro.

Here's a link to an old LifeHacker article reviewing iOS OCR apps:
• The Best Image-to-Text App for iPhone (August 10, 2011)
http://lifehacker.com/5829568/the-best-image+to+text-app-for-iphone
You can use Safari Reader (Command-Shift-R).  Interestingly, they use graphics 
for the section headings: "Features", "Where It Excels", "Where It Falls 
Short", and "The Competition".  On my iPhone I saved each of the images to my 
camera roll and processed then in TextGrabber, which popped them all out.

I don't recommend TextGrabber for visually impaired users without some way of 
setting up alignment, but it works great on screen captures, and handles 
multiple languages.  I think Anne can comment both on the OCR programs and 
results with the StandScan Pro.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 23, 2013, at 10:36 AM, David Griffith wrote:

> I have.
> 
> I will comment further later but to be honest on first impression I am
> disappointed. Basically a cardboard folder which is constructed into a box.
> Quite flimsy and probably not suitable for any robust long term use.
> I need to experiment further to see what the scanning results are like.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dónal Fitzpatrick
> Sent: 23 March 2013 20:32
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Stand Scan
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just had a conversation on twitter about a device called Stand Scan.  I
> provide a link below.  Has anyone used this?  I'd be interested in an
> opinion because it looks very good.
> 
> http://standscan.com/StandScan/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
>   
> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
> School of Computing,
> Dublin City University,
> Glasnevin,
> Dublin 9, Ireland
> Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929
> fax: +353-(0)1-700-5442
> email: dfitzpat (at) computing.dcu.ie
> 

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Re: Stand Scan

[Anne Robertson]

Hello dónal,

I have the StandScan Pro which has 15 Leds to provide good lighting. Yes, it's 
flimsy, but it folds flat, weighs next to nothing, and works great with my 
iPhone 5.

I've tested the StandScan Pro with a double-page from a pretty complexe book 
using Prizmo in English with brilliant results. It was virtually perfect apart 
from the page headings which are in italics and came out as garbage.

I tried scanning a rectangular box containing a deodorant spray, and 
TextGrabber read the information almost perfectly, whereas Prizmo failed at 
this task. This time, I was using French.

Yesterday, I demonstrated the StandScan Pro to an IT teacher I was training in 
VoiceOver and the Mac. He gave me a flyer to scan and the result was perfect 
using TextGrabber. He was so impressed that he called in some colleagues to see 
this amazing thing!

So, yes, you have to be careful with the StandScan Pro as it can easily be 
damaged, but it isn't a replacement for a flatbed scanner, it's a tool to carry 
around in a backpack for those occasions when you really have to get the 
information from a printed source quickly.

Below my signature, I'll paste in my description of how to set up a StandScan 
Pro. By the Way, it ships with a 9 V battery holder and you can purchase a 12 V 
mains adaptor. You really need the 12 V for good results, but you can also add 
a battery holder for 8 AA batteries, giving a 12 V output.

The StandScan Pro plus mains adaptor comes to something under $35 which isn't a 
lot to spend for such good results.

Cheers,

Anne


Lay the folded StandScan on a table with the small flap away from you.
Open the small flap and fold back the body of the StandScan towards you.
Now the topmost piece should open to the left, and the remaining part will open 
to the right but will still be a double thickness.
Open the final piece to the right.
Go to the lefthand piece and you'll find that there is a crease running from 
where it joins the second piece to the lefthand edge, a few centimetres in.
Fold along this crease making an elongated triangle.
The same thing can be found on the back edge of the same piece, and on the 
front and back edges of the third section.
The piece at the extreme right is the top and you can find the LEDs along its 
back edge, and the cable at its back left corner.
Lift the righthand section and lift the lefthand section, then fold over the 
flap at the end of the section with the LEDs so that the magnets meet the 
magnets on the lefthand section.
A flap of the top section folds down to engage with the magnets on the 
triangular pieces, and the piece still lying flat at the back lifts up to meet 
the top and the triangular side pieces at the back.
Your StandScan should now look like a large box with an open front and a short 
cable coming out of the upper back lefthand corner.
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Help with web navigation please

[Catherine Turner]

Hi all,

Still getting to grips with my Macbook pro and wonder if anyone could
help with a couple of issues I have with navigating web pages.  I
think I've confused myself with the several ways of accomplishing the
same task.  So can anyone suggest a way I can do these two things?  I
do have quick nav switched on but I could switch it off if that makes
a difference.

1.  Say on a web page I want to navigate to a button, but after that
read by line.  So I can press b to get to the button, but after that
how do I then read from then onwards by line?  What keystrokes or
gesture could I use?

2.  In a table, if I want to move across a row cell by cell how do I
do that?  And how do I move down a column cell by cell?  I'm currently
set to have tables grouped, and I know how to change this if it helps,
but still not quite sure what having tables grouped means...

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Help with web navigation please

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Hello Catherine,

If you're navigating the Web in DOM mode, then with Quick Nav on, just the 
right arrow will take you to the next element which probably corresponds to a 
line or a sentence. Without Quick Nav, this would be VO-Right Arrow. In Groups 
mode, you'd have to interact with the group, then press VO-Down Arrow, or with 
Quick Nav, set it to Navigation and use the Down Arrow.

As for navigating tables, you have to interact with the table, then VO-Right 
arrow will go along a row, and VO-Down Arrow will go down a column. You can 
read a whole row with VO-r.

Cheers,

Anne


On 23 Mar 2013, at 23:10, Catherine Turner  
wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Still getting to grips with my Macbook pro and wonder if anyone could
> help with a couple of issues I have with navigating web pages.  I
> think I've confused myself with the several ways of accomplishing the
> same task.  So can anyone suggest a way I can do these two things?  I
> do have quick nav switched on but I could switch it off if that makes
> a difference.
> 
> 1.  Say on a web page I want to navigate to a button, but after that
> read by line.  So I can press b to get to the button, but after that
> how do I then read from then onwards by line?  What keystrokes or
> gesture could I use?
> 
> 2.  In a table, if I want to move across a row cell by cell how do I
> do that?  And how do I move down a column cell by cell?  I'm currently
> set to have tables grouped, and I know how to change this if it helps,
> but still not quite sure what having tables grouped means...
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Catherine
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Re: Help with web navigation please

[Catherine Turner]

Thanks Anne.  I managed to get around the table by interacting with
it.  I'm finding it a bit confusing at the moment though because
sometimes I press right arrow and I get the sound which indicates
there's something wrong or there's nowhere to move to, and then I find
I need to stop interacting with something in order to be able to use
right arrow to get to the next element.  It seems like sometimes VO is
interacting with tables without me asking it to and sometimes it's
not.  Finding the whole thing quite confusing really, got to just keep
trying I guess.

Thanks for your help,
Catherine

On 3/23/13, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Catherine,
>
> If you're navigating the Web in DOM mode, then with Quick Nav on, just the
> right arrow will take you to the next element which probably corresponds to
> a line or a sentence. Without Quick Nav, this would be VO-Right Arrow. In
> Groups mode, you'd have to interact with the group, then press VO-Down
> Arrow, or with Quick Nav, set it to Navigation and use the Down Arrow.
>
> As for navigating tables, you have to interact with the table, then VO-Right
> arrow will go along a row, and VO-Down Arrow will go down a column. You can
> read a whole row with VO-r.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> On 23 Mar 2013, at 23:10, Catherine Turner
>  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Still getting to grips with my Macbook pro and wonder if anyone could
>> help with a couple of issues I have with navigating web pages.  I
>> think I've confused myself with the several ways of accomplishing the
>> same task.  So can anyone suggest a way I can do these two things?  I
>> do have quick nav switched on but I could switch it off if that makes
>> a difference.
>>
>> 1.  Say on a web page I want to navigate to a button, but after that
>> read by line.  So I can press b to get to the button, but after that
>> how do I then read from then onwards by line?  What keystrokes or
>> gesture could I use?
>>
>> 2.  In a table, if I want to move across a row cell by cell how do I
>> do that?  And how do I move down a column cell by cell?  I'm currently
>> set to have tables grouped, and I know how to change this if it helps,
>> but still not quite sure what having tables grouped means...
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Catherine
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Problem changing VO voice

[Catherine Turner]

Hi,

I wanted to look at different options for the VO voice and changed it
from being Alex to Daniel Compact.  But now I'd like to change it back
again and don't seem to have the option.  When I get to the voice
setting it says "Daniel Compact locked".

At some point I was messing around/looking around at the settings in
system preferences for the system voice.  I don't think I changed
anything there but perhaps I did and this has messed up VO's voice
settings?

Does anyone have any ideas why I shouldn't be able to choose any other
voices apart from Daniel Compact?  When VO comes in the logon screen
it's using the Alex voice but after that I get Daniel Compact and
would like to change it again.  Come to that, are there meant to be
more voices than those two?  Because they are the only two I've seen
in my VO settings...I'm talking about the settings reached by pressing
VO Command left and right arrows - I don't know if there's another
place also for these settings...

Thanks,
Catherine
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opening .m4B via dropbox on the iPhone.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi all,

I have a .m4b in my dropbox folder which is showing up perfectly on the iPhone. 
 However I don't seem to be able to (shall I say: export? open? it) with 
anything on the device.  I assumed that it would just open in the Music app but 
seemingly not.

Has anyone found this to be the case and is there a workaround other than 
importing to iTunes and syncing via the mac?

Thanks,

Dónal
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Re: This really is going to hurt a lot of blind people I think, read it!

[Phil Halton]

My point was simply create an image once and be done with it. Most get 
sighted help for the task.


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Hi Phil

if you are able to create an image like this yourself, what would be the 
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adding spoken tracks to iTunes

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is it the case that you can have a text document read by VoiceOver and added as 
a audio file to iTunes?

How exactly is that accomplished?

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Re: Help with web navigation please

[Red.Falcon]

Hi there!
I do not use it but under quick nav you can now do single letter nav [like b 
for button] you have to set up this under commanders in VO utility!
And I am going to stay on a table for a while I lock VO and then I can just 
arrow up/down/left or right within that table!
Oh just in case VO lock is VO with semi colon!
And VO utility VO+f8 and then Command+number 8 to get to Commanders quickly! 
and select the quick nav tab!
hth Colin

On 23 Mar 2013, at 23:56, Catherine Turner  
wrote:

> Thanks Anne.  I managed to get around the table by interacting with
> it.  I'm finding it a bit confusing at the moment though because
> sometimes I press right arrow and I get the sound which indicates
> there's something wrong or there's nowhere to move to, and then I find
> I need to stop interacting with something in order to be able to use
> right arrow to get to the next element.  It seems like sometimes VO is
> interacting with tables without me asking it to and sometimes it's
> not.  Finding the whole thing quite confusing really, got to just keep
> trying I guess.
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> Catherine
> 
> On 3/23/13, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> Hello Catherine,
>> 
>> If you're navigating the Web in DOM mode, then with Quick Nav on, just the
>> right arrow will take you to the next element which probably corresponds to
>> a line or a sentence. Without Quick Nav, this would be VO-Right Arrow. In
>> Groups mode, you'd have to interact with the group, then press VO-Down
>> Arrow, or with Quick Nav, set it to Navigation and use the Down Arrow.
>> 
>> As for navigating tables, you have to interact with the table, then VO-Right
>> arrow will go along a row, and VO-Down Arrow will go down a column. You can
>> read a whole row with VO-r.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 23 Mar 2013, at 23:10, Catherine Turner
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Still getting to grips with my Macbook pro and wonder if anyone could
>>> help with a couple of issues I have with navigating web pages.  I
>>> think I've confused myself with the several ways of accomplishing the
>>> same task.  So can anyone suggest a way I can do these two things?  I
>>> do have quick nav switched on but I could switch it off if that makes
>>> a difference.
>>> 
>>> 1.  Say on a web page I want to navigate to a button, but after that
>>> read by line.  So I can press b to get to the button, but after that
>>> how do I then read from then onwards by line?  What keystrokes or
>>> gesture could I use?
>>> 
>>> 2.  In a table, if I want to move across a row cell by cell how do I
>>> do that?  And how do I move down a column cell by cell?  I'm currently
>>> set to have tables grouped, and I know how to change this if it helps,
>>> but still not quite sure what having tables grouped means...
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> 
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Re: adding spoken tracks to iTunes

[Red.Falcon]

Hi I was just looking through some commands!
And there is VO+shift+Z to add last phrase to desktop as a audio track!
I suppose when its on your desktop you should be able to do something of your 
choice!
Depending of the options allowed!
hth Colin

On 24 Mar 2013, at 00:30, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> is it the case that you can have a text document read by VoiceOver and added 
> as a audio file to iTunes?
> 
> How exactly is that accomplished?
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Re: Problem changing VO voice

[barbara jones]

Catherine
voice over utility (VO F8) under speech choose voices tab and you will find 
them there.
Barbara

On Mar 23, 2013, at 8:01 PM, Catherine Turner 
 wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I wanted to look at different options for the VO voice and changed it
> from being Alex to Daniel Compact.  But now I'd like to change it back
> again and don't seem to have the option.  When I get to the voice
> setting it says "Daniel Compact locked".
> 
> At some point I was messing around/looking around at the settings in
> system preferences for the system voice.  I don't think I changed
> anything there but perhaps I did and this has messed up VO's voice
> settings?
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas why I shouldn't be able to choose any other
> voices apart from Daniel Compact?  When VO comes in the logon screen
> it's using the Alex voice but after that I get Daniel Compact and
> would like to change it again.  Come to that, are there meant to be
> more voices than those two?  Because they are the only two I've seen
> in my VO settings...I'm talking about the settings reached by pressing
> VO Command left and right arrows - I don't know if there's another
> place also for these settings...
> 
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Re: adding spoken tracks to iTunes

[Esther]

Hi Phil,

One of the useful Services menu options is "Add to iTunes as Spoken Track". It 
allows you to highlight a text file selection then have that file turned into 
an audio file that gets added to iTunes.  If you want to control the speaking 
rate, though, you'll need to have a string at the beginning of the file to  put 
in the speech rate controls within a double set of brackets at the start of the 
file, as in:

[[rate 300]]

That's two left brackets (where left bracket is the key to the right of the "p" 
key), the word "rate", a space, and a number which is the words per minute, 
then two right brackets.  In the example used above, the rate is 300 words per 
minute.  I think George was asking about this on list yesterday.

I think you need to check this as one of your active Services, but I don't 
recall the default settings, since I have this checked under my Services.  You 
can find out your checked Services menu options by navigating to the menu bar 
(Control-F2 or VO-M), right arrow to your current application (e.g., could be 
"Mail" if you're reading this post), press "s" to move to "Services", right 
arrow to the submenu, Command-down arrow to the end of the Services sub-menu, 
which should be "Services Preferences…" and press return.  This puts you into 
the correct tab of the keyboard shortcuts under System Preferences… so you can 
navigate past the "Shortcuts categories" table (where "Services" will already 
be selected and highlighted") to the second table of shortcuts for that 
category.  One of the options under the text category is "Add to iTunes as 
Spoken Track", which you can check, and optionally assign a shortcut key 
sequence to.

You select a text file, then either apply your shortcut, or navigate to the 
Services menu in the menu bar and select "Add to iTunes as spoken track".

Alternatively, you could use Automator and use the "Text to Audio File" action, 
which lets you select a voice, and was a way this could be done before there 
was a services menu option.

If you want to learn more about the command arguments that can be used to 
control speech, check out the guide at the Apple Developer's Web site for 
information on how to embed commands into the text to speed it up or change 
other attributes:

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/SpeechSynthesisProgrammingGuide/index.html

Embedded commands are described in the section titled "Techniques for 
Customizing Synthesized Speech"  > "Use Embedded Speech Commands to Fine-Tune 
Spoken Output".  There are a number of four-letter commands in addition to 
"rate" that will let you do things like increase or decrease volume ("volm"), 
change the way numbers are spoken ("nmbr" with the LTRL argument to speak digit 
by digit, as in phone numbers, or with the NORM argument to go back to the 
default mode).  They can all be used together, enclose within two left and two 
right brackets, and separated by semi-colons. You have to read the strings 
character by character to hear the arguments.

If you're comfortable using the Terminal command line, you can test out 
commands on speech strings by enclosing them in quotation marks, and using the 
unix "say" command.  Note that embedded commands cannot be used to select a 
voice, although the "v" switch of the "say" command can accept an argument for 
the voice. 

For example, here's the command to get Fred rather than Alex, speaking fast at 
slightly boosted volume, with the "say" command.  Open up Terminal, paste the 
string in, and press "return" to hear the results:

say -v Fred "[[rate 400; volm +0.2]]Am I speaking too fast?"

HTH. Cheers,

Esther



On Mar 23, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
> is it the case that you can have a text document read by VoiceOver and added 
> as a audio file to iTunes?
> 
> How exactly is that accomplished?
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