Re: Article: Apple loses its shine
An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it. Original message: A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Article: Apple loses its shine
Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it. Original message: A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Creating an accessible and collaborative contact database
Evening all, I need to create an accessible contacts database that is cross platform. As Numbers and Excel are Spreadsheets, and Numbers is notoriously difficult to use with VO — at least in my experience, they are probably not going to make the grade. Also, my manager would like to get rid of this way of creating databases in our team. As the database needs to be accessible to users of Assistive Technology on Windows, I was thinking of simply creating individual files for each category and then using headings to make navigation straightforward for all concerned. I was thinking of either an RTF or DOC file so taht others could add their own entries. Any thoughts would be very welcome. Thank you Take care Jaes --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Article: Apple loses its shine
That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations, identifying things with the camera, and listening to books. Original message: Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it. Original message: A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an
Re: Article: Apple loses its shine
Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full access. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations, identifying things with the camera, and listening to books. Original message: Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it. Original message: A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
Re: HD Voice
yeah I'm on sprint, but I get the feeling they will role it out when we get LTE. It sounds quite cool! On Jun 23, 2013, at 7:29 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Ah cool, this should be good then, assuming verizon roles it out, and if I can get ann iPhone this Christmas or so. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 23, 2013, at 8:58 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi! Just wondering if any of the phone Networks in the U.S. or U.K. are rolling out HD Voice? If they are and you have an iPhone 5 or similar HD Voice compatible product then you're in for a real treat if you call another HD Voice compatible phone, quality of the voice transmission exceeded my expectations when I tried it just now, almost as good as a Skype to Skype call. Telstra have rolled out HD Voice in Australia and Optus have plans to roll out the technology in the near future. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Article: Apple loses its shine
Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to happen. On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full access. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations, identifying things with the camera, and listening to books. Original message: Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it. Original message: A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to
Re: Article: Apple loses its shine
Hi, I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should be able to install whatever app I want on it. Courtney Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to happen. On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full access. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations, identifying things with the camera, and listening to books. Original message: Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it. Original message: A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should
Re: Article: Apple loses its shine
I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I love apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should be able to install whatever app I want on it. Courtney Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to happen. On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full access. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations, identifying things with the camera, and listening to books. Original message: Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it. Original message: A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive:
Re: Article: Apple loses its shine
Definitely can agree there. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I love apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should be able to install whatever app I want on it. Courtney Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to happen. On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full access. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations, identifying things with the camera, and listening to books. Original message: Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it. Original message: A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated
Re: Article: Apple loses its shine
I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. But what I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most other operating systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think of any other operating system that did not allow you to manage files. Windows provides this, so does the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and Windows Mobile 6 provided this functionality. Why IOS does not provide or even really allow this easily I will never understand. Also the issues of not allowing you to install other keyboards, this doesn't really apply to most desktop operating systems, but the voices restriction does. With just about every other operating system, you can install other voices and use them system wide, each application is not required to include its own voice, again, there is simply no logical reason for that. On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I love apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should be able to install whatever app I want on it. Courtney Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to happen. On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full access. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations, identifying things with the camera, and listening to books. Original message: Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it. Original message: A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS
Re: Article: Apple loses its shine
Now with the keyboards and voices I agree. I hate that voice dream has to provide voices that read2go already has, and that seroprok can't be on iOS, and that eSpeak can't be ported to iOS. But I heard they're opening up a lot of API's for iOS7, so yeah, maybe speech and keyboard is among them. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. But what I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most other operating systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think of any other operating system that did not allow you to manage files. Windows provides this, so does the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and Windows Mobile 6 provided this functionality. Why IOS does not provide or even really allow this easily I will never understand. Also the issues of not allowing you to install other keyboards, this doesn't really apply to most desktop operating systems, but the voices restriction does. With just about every other operating system, you can install other voices and use them system wide, each application is not required to include its own voice, again, there is simply no logical reason for that. On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I love apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should be able to install whatever app I want on it. Courtney Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to happen. On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full access. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations, identifying things with the camera, and listening to books. Original message: Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it. Original message: A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12
