Re: loss of focus in the UI-picker view -> was was Re: Tickers:Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hey, could someone actually tell me where to go to find that AppleVis 
accessibility guide page?  I'd love to show that to a sighted friend of mine 
who knows hardly anything about Voiceover, but is a dev, and is working on 
an app.  He's extremely! interested in reading up to be sure from the very 
beginning release, that his app works flawlessly.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: loss of focus in the UI-picker view -> was was Re: 
Tickers:Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!



Lol! Love the foot ball  reference. I hand no idea megabus had an ios app! 
Yeah! Cool! this will make a trip I'm planning easier to plan. lol!


Anyway back to the subject. I also suspect that it is a UI thing rather 
then an all out voice over bug that's global. If some can find out what 
control is the item picker, then we can perhaps email them the apple vis 
guide on accessibility and tell them which control is giving the fits.


Take care.
On Oct 16, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:

I can confirm Chris's observation while attempting to peruse Magazines 
via the BARD mobile app, however believe this is more of a function of 
how the UIPickerViewController in question was coded.


For example, I was trying to bring the international audience into this 
discussion by locating a scenario that anyone could test.  I first 
attempted to use the MegaBus mobile app while still on IOS6, and the 
picker loss of focus issue rendered the "search and buy" process 
unusable.  I can confirm that this has not changed in IOS 7.02.  I 
launched Safari, and went to the MegaBus USA site, and observed that the 
picker worked flawlessly; I.E. flicking up or down never results in the 
loss of focus.


So, perhaps the question is whether there is indeed a VO bug, or did the 
Developers of the BARD and MegaBus IOS apps fail to code their UIPicker 
view controllers correctly.  If the latter (which I suspect is most 
likely), it would be great if we knew what specific modifications we 
could suggest that affected developers might consider implementing in 
their ViewControllers so as to fully exploit accessibility features such 
as VoiceOver.


Best regards, and its a wonderful day in the neighborhood since the 
RedSox lost!!

Geoff


- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:35 PM
Subject: Tickers: Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!


Has anyone noticed in I O S 7.02 that Apple in combination with 
Voiceover,
broke the ticker items?  Now, when there is one, you can't touch the 
bottom
half of the screen any longer to get to it... you gotta flick to it. 
It's
the only way, case  closed.  Second of all, once focussed, if you then 
one
finger flick up to the next item, you then will completely! lose focus, 
then
you gotta flick all? the freaking way back down the screen, find? the 
damn
ticker again, then flick again, lose focus, flick down to the ticker 
again,
flick, lose focus, etc. etc?  You can't just find the thing, and one 
finger

shook shook shook shook?  This is the most aggervating thing I've seen.
Good luck with tickers that have over a hundred items in them!  Yes they
exist.  Don't believe me?  Go look at the Bard mobile app under 
magazines by
title.  Yeah, try navigating that for a while losing focus every time, 
then
tell me you're not fed up after about 2 minutes.  LOL!  Oh, and by the 
way,
there is no way from the bard web site to add magazines to your wish 
list,

so good luck going there on the pc or mac and just putting it there for
later download.

I might have a work around, but I need to test it before I say what it 
is.

Still though, is anyone else seeing this?  This isn't just Bard Mobile
either.  That was only an example.  This is happenning globally across 
the

whole I O S platform regardless the app.

Chris.

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Re: loss of focus in the UI-picker view -> was was Re: Tickers: Enough todrive, me, intoxicated!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Geoff,

You know?  You make an extremely valid point.  I honestly never even thought 
about that.  And, for me being a dev myself, that's quite patheticly 
embarrassing for me to admit.  LOL!  My thing is, I've seen it in quite a 
few places, not just BardMobile.  For this reason, I guess I just 
automatically theorized this to be a global problem.  I've not found any 
pickers... (pardon the hearing loss problem of thinking it was tickers...) 
that work correctly as of yet, but that doesn't mean I won't find one 
eventually.


You know what I'm also curious about?  I wonder, if I was to grab my 
bluetooth keyboard and try with that thing, I wonder if focus would be lost. 
Hmm, now you got me curious.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Geoff Waaler" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:49 PM
Subject: loss of focus in the UI-picker view -> was was Re: Tickers: Enough 
todrive, me, intoxicated!



I can confirm Chris's observation while attempting to peruse Magazines via 
the BARD mobile app, however believe this is more of a function of how the 
UIPickerViewController in question was coded.


For example, I was trying to bring the international audience into this 
discussion by locating a scenario that anyone could test.  I first 
attempted to use the MegaBus mobile app while still on IOS6, and the 
picker loss of focus issue rendered the "search and buy" process unusable. 
I can confirm that this has not changed in IOS 7.02.  I launched Safari, 
and went to the MegaBus USA site, and observed that the picker worked 
flawlessly; I.E. flicking up or down never results in the loss of focus.


So, perhaps the question is whether there is indeed a VO bug, or did the 
Developers of the BARD and MegaBus IOS apps fail to code their UIPicker 
view controllers correctly.  If the latter (which I suspect is most 
likely), it would be great if we knew what specific modifications we could 
suggest that affected developers might consider implementing in their 
ViewControllers so as to fully exploit accessibility features such as 
VoiceOver.


Best regards, and its a wonderful day in the neighborhood since the RedSox 
lost!!

Geoff


- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:35 PM
Subject: Tickers: Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!


Has anyone noticed in I O S 7.02 that Apple in combination with 
Voiceover,
broke the ticker items?  Now, when there is one, you can't touch the 
bottom
half of the screen any longer to get to it... you gotta flick to it. 
It's
the only way, case  closed.  Second of all, once focussed, if you then 
one
finger flick up to the next item, you then will completely! lose focus, 
then
you gotta flick all? the freaking way back down the screen, find? the 
damn
ticker again, then flick again, lose focus, flick down to the ticker 
again,
flick, lose focus, etc. etc?  You can't just find the thing, and one 
finger

shook shook shook shook?  This is the most aggervating thing I've seen.
Good luck with tickers that have over a hundred items in them!  Yes they
exist.  Don't believe me?  Go look at the Bard mobile app under magazines 
by
title.  Yeah, try navigating that for a while losing focus every time, 
then
tell me you're not fed up after about 2 minutes.  LOL!  Oh, and by the 
way,
there is no way from the bard web site to add magazines to your wish 
list,

so good luck going there on the pc or mac and just putting it there for
later download.

I might have a work around, but I need to test it before I say what it 
is.

Still though, is anyone else seeing this?  This isn't just Bard Mobile
either.  That was only an example.  This is happenning globally across 
the

whole I O S platform regardless the app.

Chris.

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Re: loss of focus in the UI-picker view -> was was Re: Tickers: Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!

[Sarah k Alawami]

Lol! Love the foot ball  reference. I hand no idea megabus had an ios app! 
Yeah! Cool! this will make a trip I'm planning easier to plan. lol!

Anyway back to the subject. I also suspect that it is a UI thing rather then an 
all out voice over bug that's global. If some can find out what control is the 
item picker, then we can perhaps email them the apple vis guide on 
accessibility and tell them which control is giving the fits.

Take care.
On Oct 16, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:

> I can confirm Chris's observation while attempting to peruse Magazines via 
> the BARD mobile app, however believe this is more of a function of how the 
> UIPickerViewController in question was coded.
> 
> For example, I was trying to bring the international audience into this 
> discussion by locating a scenario that anyone could test.  I first attempted 
> to use the MegaBus mobile app while still on IOS6, and the picker loss of 
> focus issue rendered the "search and buy" process unusable.  I can confirm 
> that this has not changed in IOS 7.02.  I launched Safari, and went to the 
> MegaBus USA site, and observed that the picker worked flawlessly; I.E. 
> flicking up or down never results in the loss of focus.
> 
> So, perhaps the question is whether there is indeed a VO bug, or did the 
> Developers of the BARD and MegaBus IOS apps fail to code their UIPicker view 
> controllers correctly.  If the latter (which I suspect is most likely), it 
> would be great if we knew what specific modifications we could suggest that 
> affected developers might consider implementing in their ViewControllers so 
> as to fully exploit accessibility features such as VoiceOver.
> 
> Best regards, and its a wonderful day in the neighborhood since the RedSox 
> lost!!
> Geoff
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:35 PM
> Subject: Tickers: Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!
> 
> 
>> Has anyone noticed in I O S 7.02 that Apple in combination with Voiceover, 
>> broke the ticker items?  Now, when there is one, you can't touch the bottom 
>> half of the screen any longer to get to it... you gotta flick to it.  It's 
>> the only way, case  closed.  Second of all, once focussed, if you then one 
>> finger flick up to the next item, you then will completely! lose focus, then 
>> you gotta flick all? the freaking way back down the screen, find? the damn 
>> ticker again, then flick again, lose focus, flick down to the ticker again, 
>> flick, lose focus, etc. etc?  You can't just find the thing, and one finger 
>> shook shook shook shook?  This is the most aggervating thing I've seen. 
>> Good luck with tickers that have over a hundred items in them!  Yes they 
>> exist.  Don't believe me?  Go look at the Bard mobile app under magazines by 
>> title.  Yeah, try navigating that for a while losing focus every time, then 
>> tell me you're not fed up after about 2 minutes.  LOL!  Oh, and by the way, 
>> there is no way from the bard web site to add magazines to your wish list, 
>> so good luck going there on the pc or mac and just putting it there for 
>> later download.
>> 
>> I might have a work around, but I need to test it before I say what it is. 
>> Still though, is anyone else seeing this?  This isn't just Bard Mobile 
>> either.  That was only an example.  This is happenning globally across the 
>> whole I O S platform regardless the app.
>> 
>> Chris. 
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loss of focus in the UI-picker view -> was was Re: Tickers: Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!

[Geoff Waaler]

I can confirm Chris's observation while attempting to peruse Magazines via the 
BARD mobile app, however believe this is more of a function of how the 
UIPickerViewController in question was coded.

For example, I was trying to bring the international audience into this 
discussion by locating a scenario that anyone could test.  I first attempted to 
use the MegaBus mobile app while still on IOS6, and the picker loss of focus 
issue rendered the "search and buy" process unusable.  I can confirm that this 
has not changed in IOS 7.02.  I launched Safari, and went to the MegaBus USA 
site, and observed that the picker worked flawlessly; I.E. flicking up or down 
never results in the loss of focus.

So, perhaps the question is whether there is indeed a VO bug, or did the 
Developers of the BARD and MegaBus IOS apps fail to code their UIPicker view 
controllers correctly.  If the latter (which I suspect is most likely), it 
would be great if we knew what specific modifications we could suggest that 
affected developers might consider implementing in their ViewControllers so as 
to fully exploit accessibility features such as VoiceOver.

Best regards, and its a wonderful day in the neighborhood since the RedSox 
lost!!
Geoff


- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:35 PM
Subject: Tickers: Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!


> Has anyone noticed in I O S 7.02 that Apple in combination with Voiceover, 
> broke the ticker items?  Now, when there is one, you can't touch the bottom 
> half of the screen any longer to get to it... you gotta flick to it.  It's 
> the only way, case  closed.  Second of all, once focussed, if you then one 
> finger flick up to the next item, you then will completely! lose focus, then 
> you gotta flick all? the freaking way back down the screen, find? the damn 
> ticker again, then flick again, lose focus, flick down to the ticker again, 
> flick, lose focus, etc. etc?  You can't just find the thing, and one finger 
> shook shook shook shook?  This is the most aggervating thing I've seen. 
> Good luck with tickers that have over a hundred items in them!  Yes they 
> exist.  Don't believe me?  Go look at the Bard mobile app under magazines by 
> title.  Yeah, try navigating that for a while losing focus every time, then 
> tell me you're not fed up after about 2 minutes.  LOL!  Oh, and by the way, 
> there is no way from the bard web site to add magazines to your wish list, 
> so good luck going there on the pc or mac and just putting it there for 
> later download.
> 
> I might have a work around, but I need to test it before I say what it is. 
> Still though, is anyone else seeing this?  This isn't just Bard Mobile 
> either.  That was only an example.  This is happenning globally across the 
> whole I O S platform regardless the app.
> 
> Chris. 
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Re: Tickers: Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!

[Sarah k Alawami]

Funny I don't have that issue, and they are actually called pickers, not 
tickers. All you have to do is find the bottom of the page as that's where they 
normally are. I have never yet, key word yet, lost focus on any pickers of any 
kind. When I'm done I just flick left to done and the item picker goes away.

Take care.
On Oct 16, 2013, at 5:26 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Definitely, really annoying. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:35 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone noticed in I O S 7.02 that Apple in combination with Voiceover, 
>> broke the ticker items?  Now, when there is one, you can't touch the bottom 
>> half of the screen any longer to get to it... you gotta flick to it.  It's 
>> the only way, case  closed.  Second of all, once focussed, if you then one 
>> finger flick up to the next item, you then will completely! lose focus, then 
>> you gotta flick all? the freaking way back down the screen, find? the damn 
>> ticker again, then flick again, lose focus, flick down to the ticker again, 
>> flick, lose focus, etc. etc?  You can't just find the thing, and one finger 
>> shook shook shook shook?  This is the most aggervating thing I've seen. Good 
>> luck with tickers that have over a hundred items in them!  Yes they exist.  
>> Don't believe me?  Go look at the Bard mobile app under magazines by title.  
>> Yeah, try navigating that for a while losing focus every time, then tell me 
>> you're not fed up after about 2 minutes.  LOL!  Oh, and by the way, there is
  
> no way from the bard web site to add magazines to your wish list, so good 
> luck going there on the pc or mac and just putting it there for later 
> download.
>> 
>> I might have a work around, but I need to test it before I say what it is. 
>> Still though, is anyone else seeing this?  This isn't just Bard Mobile 
>> either.  That was only an example.  This is happenning globally across the 
>> whole I O S platform regardless the app.
>> 
>> Chris. 
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Re: Tickers: Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!

[Ben J Bloomgren]

After being alerted to this problem, I took a look. This is definitely a big 
bug with a stinger and a nasty bite. I've seen pickers with hundreds of items 
inside, and it makes it impossible not to just figuratively throw the iPhone 
across the room. We definitely need to inform Apple.

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> On Oct 16, 2013, at 17:26, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
> Definitely, really annoying. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:35 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone noticed in I O S 7.02 that Apple in combination with Voiceover, 
>> broke the ticker items?  Now, when there is one, you can't touch the bottom 
>> half of the screen any longer to get to it... you gotta flick to it.  It's 
>> the only way, case  closed.  Second of all, once focussed, if you then one 
>> finger flick up to the next item, you then will completely! lose focus, then 
>> you gotta flick all? the freaking way back down the screen, find? the damn 
>> ticker again, then flick again, lose focus, flick down to the ticker again, 
>> flick, lose focus, etc. etc?  You can't just find the thing, and one finger 
>> shook shook shook shook?  This is the most aggervating thing I've seen. Good 
>> luck with tickers that have over a hundred items in them!  Yes they exist.  
>> Don't believe me?  Go look at the Bard mobile app under magazines by title.  
>> Yeah, try navigating that for a while losing focus every time, then tell me 
>> you're not fed up after about 2 minutes.  LOL!  Oh, and by the way, there is
> no way from the bard web site to add magazines to your wish list, so good 
> luck going there on the pc or mac and just putting it there for later 
> download.
>> 
>> I might have a work around, but I need to test it before I say what it is. 
>> Still though, is anyone else seeing this?  This isn't just Bard Mobile 
>> either.  That was only an example.  This is happenning globally across the 
>> whole I O S platform regardless the app.
>> 
>> Chris. 
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Re: Tickers: Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!

[Josh Gregory]

Definitely, really annoying. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:35 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone noticed in I O S 7.02 that Apple in combination with Voiceover, 
> broke the ticker items?  Now, when there is one, you can't touch the bottom 
> half of the screen any longer to get to it... you gotta flick to it.  It's 
> the only way, case  closed.  Second of all, once focussed, if you then one 
> finger flick up to the next item, you then will completely! lose focus, then 
> you gotta flick all? the freaking way back down the screen, find? the damn 
> ticker again, then flick again, lose focus, flick down to the ticker again, 
> flick, lose focus, etc. etc?  You can't just find the thing, and one finger 
> shook shook shook shook?  This is the most aggervating thing I've seen. Good 
> luck with tickers that have over a hundred items in them!  Yes they exist.  
> Don't believe me?  Go look at the Bard mobile app under magazines by title.  
> Yeah, try navigating that for a while losing focus every time, then tell me 
> you're not fed up after about 2 minutes.  LOL!  Oh, and by the way, there is 
 no way from the bard web site to add magazines to your wish list, so good luck 
going there on the pc or mac and just putting it there for later download.
> 
> I might have a work around, but I need to test it before I say what it is. 
> Still though, is anyone else seeing this?  This isn't just Bard Mobile 
> either.  That was only an example.  This is happenning globally across the 
> whole I O S platform regardless the app.
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Work around doesn't Work.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I just tried using the ticker items and doing my work around as I discussed 
in the previous message that I sent the list.  I was hoping, in I O S when 
getting to a ticker item, I could just siply use the item chooser list 
instead of flicking through the ticker items one by one, thus eliminating 
the need for losing focus and regaining it again.  That of corse, to my 
luck, didn't work though.  So, there went that? idea.


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Tickers: Enough to drive, me, intoxicated!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Has anyone noticed in I O S 7.02 that Apple in combination with Voiceover, 
broke the ticker items?  Now, when there is one, you can't touch the bottom 
half of the screen any longer to get to it... you gotta flick to it.  It's 
the only way, case  closed.  Second of all, once focussed, if you then one 
finger flick up to the next item, you then will completely! lose focus, then 
you gotta flick all? the freaking way back down the screen, find? the damn 
ticker again, then flick again, lose focus, flick down to the ticker again, 
flick, lose focus, etc. etc?  You can't just find the thing, and one finger 
shook shook shook shook?  This is the most aggervating thing I've seen. 
Good luck with tickers that have over a hundred items in them!  Yes they 
exist.  Don't believe me?  Go look at the Bard mobile app under magazines by 
title.  Yeah, try navigating that for a while losing focus every time, then 
tell me you're not fed up after about 2 minutes.  LOL!  Oh, and by the way, 
there is no way from the bard web site to add magazines to your wish list, 
so good luck going there on the pc or mac and just putting it there for 
later download.


I might have a work around, but I need to test it before I say what it is. 
Still though, is anyone else seeing this?  This isn't just Bard Mobile 
either.  That was only an example.  This is happenning globally across the 
whole I O S platform regardless the app.


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Re: Audio only Facetiming?

[Sarah Alawami]

I guess we'll see on oct 22nd apple event weather they anounce it.

Take care and be blessed.
> On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:23, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:I guess we'll on the 22nd apple event of 
> october. 
> 
> Well, I took a look, and though I can't disclose my findings, what I will 
> promise everyone is this.  Let's just hypothetically say that audio Facetime 
> is, not! in Mavericks.  I'm not saying it is, but I'm not saying it isn't. I 
> can't go into it.  All I will say is that if it is not included, rest assured 
> that I've, in that case, taken the appropriate steps to suggest it in a 
> future update.  If it's already there on the other hand, then... well, there 
> ya go.  My main point is, just rest assured that steps are being taken to see 
> if it can be implemented by the time it's released to the public, if it's not 
> already.
> 
> Chris.
> 
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> 
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> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Audio only Facetiming?
> 
> 
>> I don't think I remember hearing that in the key notes andI rely on those. I 
>> also never saw that on a what's new page I found on apple's site regarding 
>> osx 10.9. I looked.
>> 
>> Take care.
>>> On Oct 15, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Christopher Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aa, ok.  Yeah, I am a dev myself, but I confess I've not really used FT 
>>> under Mavericks yet.  I'm on NDA though so that's all I can say at this 
>>> point regarding it.  I'll have to get in there and look.  Sorry, but I 
>>> won't be able just quite yet to report my findings.  Thank you, though, for 
>>> the heads up.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
 On Oct 15, 2013, at 9:04 PM, "Red.Falcon" 
  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I under stand that Audio will arrive with Mavericks!
 
> On 16 Oct 2013, at 01:44, Christopher Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Is there a way with OSX Mountain Lion on the mac to either initiate or 
> answer, either/or, an audio only Facetime call, or if you're gonna use 
> the mac, at this given time, does it still have to rely on my eyesite 
> camera?
> 
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Re: Audio only Facetiming?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Well, I took a look, and though I can't disclose my findings, what I will 
promise everyone is this.  Let's just hypothetically say that audio Facetime 
is, not! in Mavericks.  I'm not saying it is, but I'm not saying it isn't. 
I can't go into it.  All I will say is that if it is not included, rest 
assured that I've, in that case, taken the appropriate steps to suggest it 
in a future update.  If it's already there on the other hand, then... well, 
there ya go.  My main point is, just rest assured that steps are being taken 
to see if it can be implemented by the time it's released to the public, if 
it's not already.


Chris.

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http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

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on Twitter.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Audio only Facetiming?


I don't think I remember hearing that in the key notes andI rely on those. 
I also never saw that on a what's new page I found on apple's site 
regarding osx 10.9. I looked.


Take care.
On Oct 15, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Christopher Gilland 
 wrote:


Aa, ok.  Yeah, I am a dev myself, but I confess I've not really used FT 
under Mavericks yet.  I'm on NDA though so that's all I can say at this 
point regarding it.  I'll have to get in there and look.  Sorry, but I 
won't be able just quite yet to report my findings.  Thank you, though, 
for the heads up.


Chris.

On Oct 15, 2013, at 9:04 PM, "Red.Falcon" 
 wrote:



Hi!
I under stand that Audio will arrive with Mavericks!

On 16 Oct 2013, at 01:44, Christopher Gilland  
wrote:


Is there a way with OSX Mountain Lion on the mac to either initiate or 
answer, either/or, an audio only Facetime call, or if you're gonna use 
the mac, at this given time, does it still have to rely on my eyesite 
camera?


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Re: Audio only Facetiming?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, true.  I never really thought about that with Skype.  Good point.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Audio only Facetiming?


No you can't do FaceTime audio on ml and yes it still uses the site 
camera. I don't think the mac will ever have audio face time. Tha'ts what 
skype is for. lol!
On Oct 15, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Christopher Gilland 
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Is there a way with OSX Mountain Lion on the mac to either initiate or 
answer, either/or, an audio only Facetime call, or if you're gonna use 
the mac, at this given time, does it still have to rely on my eyesite 
camera?


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Re: Audio only Facetiming?

[Sarah k Alawami]

I don't think I remember hearing that in the key notes andI rely on those. I 
also never saw that on a what's new page I found on apple's site regarding osx 
10.9. I looked.

Take care.
On Oct 15, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Christopher Gilland  
wrote:

> Aa, ok.  Yeah, I am a dev myself, but I confess I've not really used FT under 
> Mavericks yet.  I'm on NDA though so that's all I can say at this point 
> regarding it.  I'll have to get in there and look.  Sorry, but I won't be 
> able just quite yet to report my findings.  Thank you, though, for the heads 
> up.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> On Oct 15, 2013, at 9:04 PM, "Red.Falcon"  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> I under stand that Audio will arrive with Mavericks!
>> 
>> On 16 Oct 2013, at 01:44, Christopher Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Is there a way with OSX Mountain Lion on the mac to either initiate or 
>>> answer, either/or, an audio only Facetime call, or if you're gonna use the 
>>> mac, at this given time, does it still have to rely on my eyesite camera?
>>> 
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Re: Audio only Facetiming?

[Sarah k Alawami]

No you can't do FaceTime audio on ml and yes it still uses the site camera. I 
don't think the mac will ever have audio face time. Tha'ts what skype is for. 
lol!
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Playing media (iPad-pecific feature), navigating text, and notes in iBooks [was Re: Three Questions about IBooks]

[Esther]

Hi Chris,

I'll interleave answers after your questions, prefaced with a bullet symbol. I 
had problems creating custom notes on an iPad with VoiceOver using iOS 7 (your 
last question), which may be an iOS 7 specific bug, and why this reply took so 
long. I checked the process of note creation in iBooks on both iPhone and iPad 
under iOS 6, to make sure I wasn't leaving out some obvious step, since this is 
not a feature I frequently use, but didn't find the "Note" option in the iOS 7 
Edit rotor after selecting text.

> I do have a few more advanced questions for you about IBooks, that either you 
> or someone else might can answer.
> 
> Firstly, you mention about multi-media that's embedded.  How does one 
> activate those items?

• In iPad-only eBooks created with iBooks Author to contain embedded 
multimedia, you can activate the items by double tapping on a play button.  
It's a bit like navigating a web page with an embedded video or audio clip that 
you can play.  I haven't tried a lot of these, so the style of formatting may 
differ, from book to book.

> Secondly, in the book that I'm reading, there are hyper links to different 
> footnotes or to jump to different sections.  Being that the book content area 
> is one item in itself as far as Voiceover sees, how do I individually focus 
> those links, so they can be double tapped?

• You can actually navigate by word or character within the book content area 
of iBooks, if you pause your reading (two finger tap) and then set the rotor to 
"words" or "characters" and then flick up or down.  You can also read by line 
(but not by sentence) if you touch the screen and move your finger down. If you 
move to a link this way and double tap it you can switch to a linked web page, 
or navigate to another part of the book. Try using the "Table of Contents" 
button for your book, if such a table is present for your book, and move to a 
chapter.

> Finally, is there a way that I accessibly can insert and read my own custom 
> notes that I write in the margins of the book?

• OK, I'm rewriting this based on trying to do this on an iPad running iOS 7 
with VoiceOver.  I can't make this work, and I've gone back to try this on an 
iPad running the last version of iOS 6, where it's possible to do this, but 
which I still find less easy to do than using my iPhone, because I find the 
selection gestures easier to manage on the smaller screen.  What I'm finding 
different in iOS 7 is that I'm not getting the same range of options once I've 
selected a section of text that I want to add a note for once I set my rotor to 
"Edit".  I don't get an option for "Note" when I flick up or down - just 
options for "Define", "Copy", and "Select All". So as far as I can tell, you 
can look up a dictionary definition of a selected word, but you can't create a 
note in iBooks on an iPad using VoiceOver in iOS 7.02. This is using the latest 
version of everything (iBooks 3.1.3 (1929)and iOS 7.02) on an iPad 4. I'll 
append the instructions that I started to write, based on how things worked 
under iOS 6 when you create a note. I think you're going to need someone who 
uses this feature a lot more than I do to walk you through a working 
explanation for iOS 7. If you want to hear the rotor options you should have 
available, listen to David Woodbridge's podcast from mid-January 2013, where he 
demonstrates using the dictionary in iOS 6 by selecting a word or set of words 
in iBooks.  The only difference is that you'll be selecting a larger section of 
text, and selecting "Note" in the edit rotor instead of "Define".  

Search the AppleVis podcasts or David Woodbridge's podbean podcasts on using 
the dictionary in iOS. Both web pages for this podcast use extremely long names 
(that would wrap and break) for the web page URLs.  I'll give you a shortened 
link to the podbean page:
http://bit.ly/18clJJT
Alternatively, go to the AppleVis web site and search on "dictionary iOS" under 
podcasts.

This is slightly tricky to do, but you can highlight selections within a book 
using an inverse pinch gesture. (Refer to the podcast for details.) Then set 
your rotor to "Edit" and flick up or down to "Note" and double tap.  On the 
iPad, this brings up a pop up for entering text. On the iPhone, this will take 
you to a page where you are in a text field for typing your note, and where, if 
you flick left to the entry at the top of the page, a section of text with your 
highlighted selection will appear.  There's a "Done" button in the top right 
corner of the screen you can use after you finish typing or dictating your 
note. I use the four finger tap in the top half of the screen to move focus to 
the first element, then flick to the "Done" button and double tap.  On the iPad 
you tap outside of the note to dismiss the pop up. 

You're asking specifically about the iPad, where I haven't used this feature 
much, and which doesn't seem as completely integrated with VoiceOver.  For 
example, on t