Application busy - why does it happen?

2013-10-23 Thread Parham Doustdar

Hi all,

When in iTunes, Airport utility, or even in VLC player when 
fast-forwarding using command-option-right arrow, I would hear 
Application name busy, like iTunes busy.


Why does this happen? In some cases, it makes the application unusable 
until I close it and reopen it (it mostly happens in iTunes).


Thanks.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Ian McNamara
Hi thanks for the heads up, please keep us updated when the system is suitable 
for voice over users to upgrade to.

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Authentication has no window When Installing an app

2013-10-23 Thread Parham Doustdar

Hi all,

When I wanted to install Proxifier (using its .pkg installation 
package), at the very end, OSX would ask me for a password. If I tried 
to navigate in this window or waited too much, I would hear 
Authentication busy. If i would alt-tab away and back, I would hear 
Authentication has no window.


How can I fix this issue with having no window? The only way I found the 
last time was to restart my system, as Voiceover didn't recognize other 
windows and nothing worked. Even when I left-clicked, Voiceover would 
say Apple menu, but when I would press any of the arrow keys, I would 
just hear the voice effect of hitting a boundary.


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Re: iPhone 5c versus 5s

2013-10-23 Thread Ian McNamara
I have the five s and compared to the 4s it's quicker for sure. I find the 5s 
loads things up instantly and is a lot faster than the 4s I have not really 
played with a 5c so can't comment. I'd go for the faster processor though and 
go for the 5s.

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test - please ignore

2013-10-23 Thread Paul Hopewell
sent Wednesday 09:00
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Mavorix

2013-10-23 Thread William Lomas


Sent from my iPhonehi all

i was hoping i
books
worked in mavorics.
what is new please
with voiceover?
regards
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iPhone 5c versus 5s

2013-10-23 Thread Paul Hopewell
Hello, 
Many thanks for the many replies on this subject. You have all persuaded me 
that the extra cost of the iPhone 5s is well worthwhile. 
Many thanks again. 

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Really annoying and bad problem with iOS 7

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher Gilland
Folks,

I found a really bad problem with iOS 7. It turns out, when you try to query 
somebody's address in your contacts using Siri, it only gives the city, and 
will not give you the state or the ZIP Code, unless you manually tap the screen 
and have voice over read it to you manually. I just thought that was kind of 
annoying. What are you all Stultes?

Thanks.

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Re: Really annoying and bad problem with iOS 7

2013-10-23 Thread Ben J Bloomgren
It did the exact same thing for me. I did this for multiple contacts, and 
nothing changed.

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 On Oct 23, 2013, at 2:50, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 Folks,
 
 I found a really bad problem with iOS 7. It turns out, when you try to query 
 somebody's address in your contacts using Siri, it only gives the city, and 
 will not give you the state or the ZIP Code, unless you manually tap the 
 screen and have voice over read it to you manually. I just thought that was 
 kind of annoying. What are you all Stultes?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Chris.
 
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Mavericks EyePal and X11

2013-10-23 Thread David Griffith
When I upgraded from Lion to Mountain Lion I found a version of X11 which
allowed the EyePal scanning application to continue to work, if anything
more smoothly than before.
Does anybody know anything about X11 support in Mavericks?

David Griffith
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Tagging files and folders

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
OK, so I kind of have gotten the hang of this, but I'm a little confused in 
Mavericks after I tag a file or folder how I then search for files just with 
those tags.  I have a folder inside my home directory called internet radio, 
and in here, I have about 50 different internet streams of different genres. 
So, I tagged a few of them as pop, a few as country, so on.  The issue is, 
when I go into my side bar in the Finder, and scroll down to tags and expand 
it, I see for example, country.  The problem is that once country is 
selected for example, if I then go down and interact with the file browser, 
it shows the entire internet radio streams folder.  OK, granted, if I then 
open up that folder, I then only see the correctly tagged files, but 
somehow, I gather it's not supposed to do that.  It's only supposed to show 
the rellavent files, not the entire folders that they're in.  I would think 
you'd have to get info on the file/folder with command+I to figure that 
stuff out...  Am I wrong?  I almost wonder if it would be better to go into 
spotlight with command+Space, then type in the name of the tag.


What is you all's best suggestion to get this to work quicly and 
effectively?


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Apple keynote podcast

2013-10-23 Thread George Cham
I've just downloaded the apple keynote video podcast. 
I've synced it to the iPad, but its not showing up in the videos app. 

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a question about list view in finder

2013-10-23 Thread Michael Marshall
hey listers,
after using column view for quite some time i have started using list view 
because it seems to work better in folders with a lot of content.
my question is this, is there any way i can get around having to interact with 
every single folder that i open? it drives me round the bend.
i’m using mavrics and column view just makes finder die in big folders hence 
the change to list view.
any help would be fantastic

thanks

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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Chris H
Updating my mac now and already have seen two incompatible updates so 
they must be for Mavericks only.


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On 23/10/2013 02:36, Linda C. Knight wrote:



I am wondering if I need to update to the mavricks?

Is it necessary?

WouIf I don't update to Mavricks, would this interfere with updates to
Mountain Lion?

Or, will there be updates to Mountain Lion.

Being a new mac user, I would appreciate any tips on this.

Thanks.


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Re: Apple keynote podcast

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I don't think it's going to.  Try looking under your Music app, then go down 
to the bottom right corner of the screen, and double tap on the more tab. 
In here, look for Podcasts.  You should see it in here.


Videos is used more for your own home videos or movie/TV shows you've 
synced, video podcasts not withstanding.


Personally, I would use Downcast over trying to sync with ITunes, but that's 
just me personally.  Each is to his or her own.


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- Original Message - 
From: George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net

To: Mac-access iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
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Subject: Apple keynote podcast



I've just downloaded the apple keynote video podcast.
I've synced it to the iPad, but its not showing up in the videos app.

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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Josh Gregory
If you don't really use iBooks I think it is, a couple weird things here and 
there but I guess that is to be expected. Certainly not as bad as iOS 7 Imo

Sent from my iPhone

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 Hi thanks for the heads up, please keep us updated when the system is 
 suitable for voice over users to upgrade to.
 
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A Little Tip for Low vision Mac users

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Have you ever wished that you could export your desktop wallpaper that comes 
with OSX and use it on a different type device such as IOS devices, or maybe 
on a Windows machine etc?  Though this tip won't include how to actually 
change the wallpaper on these devices, here's how to get in OSX, regardless 
the version to those jpg files being used for the native wallpapers so that 
you can export them elseware for use.


1.  From your Finder, hit command+shift+G.

2.  In the open folder box, type:  /Library

Notice that this is not your user library, this is the library in the root 
of your Macintosh HD.  Also notice that the L in the word library is 
capitalized, and the rest in lower case.


3.  Once the library folder is opened, navigate to Desktop Pictures.

Boom!  There you go!  All your wallpaper jpg files are right there.

Now, just copy whatever jpg files out of here you need, and you're good to 
go.  Then when changing your Wallpaper, just point whatever device you're 
using to that jpg file, and there you have it.  All done!


I hope someone like myself can find this tip useful.  If not, sorry for 
posting.


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Re: a question about list view in finder

2013-10-23 Thread Michael Marshall
wow! that works.
thanks so much

Michael
On 23 Oct 2013, at 9:46 pm, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Michael,
 
 I always use list view and you don't need to interact with the table. Just 
 use up and down arrows but turn Quick Nav off.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 23 Oct 2013, at 12:38, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hey listers,
 after using column view for quite some time i have started using list view 
 because it seems to work better in folders with a lot of content.
 my question is this, is there any way i can get around having to interact 
 with every single folder that i open? it drives me round the bend.
 i’m using mavrics and column view just makes finder die in big folders hence 
 the change to list view.
 any help would be fantastic
 
 thanks
 
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Thanking Gordon for app recommendation

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I just got around to installing the app that Gordon suggested to all of us 
the other day:  Clean My Drive External Drive.  Wow!  This thing's simply 
brilliant!  It's really not got an interface to it worth writing home about, 
but for what the app is supposed to do, cleaning off all that gunk that is 
put on external drives by OSX like the .spotlight folder or the .7st folder 
or whatever it's called, the .trashes folder etc, it does a heck! of a job! 
Another thing about it I noticed when I hit vo+space on it from the menu 
extras area is that I can even eject all volumes that are mounted all at one 
given time.  I thought that was really really cool!  Well?  So much for me 
using Mountain then I guess.  This does all that utility did, plus even 
cleans the garbage, so, yeah.  Needless to say, I'm quite impressed.  And 
for the app being freeware, you can't beat it!


So, again, thanks Gordon, for such an awesome recommendation.  If you have 
any more, please do share them.


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test - please ignore TEST - PLEASE

2013-10-23 Thread Paul Hopewell
Sent from hopewell 23 October 14:00
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iWork on IOS

2013-10-23 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hi folks,

Just to let  people know I’m hearing very very good reports of the new IOS 
iWOrk suite.  In particular, I hear Keynote is *very* accessible even in 
slideshow mode.  Will investigate further, but this *might* just be the excuse 
I need to go get a new i-thingie, or maybe even two! *smile*

All the best,

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slow keystroke echo on a mac book pro?

2013-10-23 Thread Henry Miller

Hi 

Whilst inserting text into an edit field, I notice that there is a delay for
voice over to announce the key stroke that I have just pressed, Is this
normal for voice over?

best wishes

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safari 6.1

2013-10-23 Thread William Lomas
hello to all 

if i install safari 6.1 is this the same version as in mac osx 10.9?
regards william 

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Re: a question about list view in finder

2013-10-23 Thread Mike Arrigo
I have not used mavericks yet, but assuming it's similar to mountain 
lion, here are a few hints. Press command j to open the preferences for 
list view, this will allow you to choose what columns are displayed. To 
open a folder, I usually use command o rather than using the right 
arrow key to expand it, it's much easier to get back to your starting 
point this way.

Original message:

hey listers,
after using column view for quite some time i have started using list 
view because it seems to work better in folders with a lot of content.
my question is this, is there any way i can get around having to 
interact with every single folder that i open? it drives me round the bend.
i’m using mavrics and column view just makes finder die in big folders 
hence the change to list view.

any help would be fantastic



thanks



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Re: slow keystroke echo on a mac book pro?

2013-10-23 Thread Josh Gregory
Mavericks, I think it's one of those buggy things that still need to be ironed 
out.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi 
 
 Whilst inserting text into an edit field, I notice that there is a delay for
 voice over to announce the key stroke that I have just pressed, Is this
 normal for voice over?
 
 best wishes
 
 Henry
 
 
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Re: safari 6.1

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

No, it's not.  They have version 7 in Mavericks.

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- Original Message - 
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hello to all

if i install safari 6.1 is this the same version as in mac osx 10.9?
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Re: safari 6.1

2013-10-23 Thread William Lomas
how is it different, please?

On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:

 No, it's not.  They have version 7 in Mavericks.
 
 Chris.
 
 
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 - Original Message - From: William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:07 AM
 Subject: safari 6.1
 
 
 hello to all
 
 if i install safari 6.1 is this the same version as in mac osx 10.9?
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Re: a question about list view in finder

2013-10-23 Thread Anne Robertson
To add to this, you can also open folders with Cmd-down arrow then return to 
the parent folder with Cmd-up arrow.

Cheers,

Anne

On 23 Oct 2013, at 16:09, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 I have not used mavericks yet, but assuming it's similar to mountain lion, 
 here are a few hints. Press command j to open the preferences for list view, 
 this will allow you to choose what columns are displayed. To open a folder, I 
 usually use command o rather than using the right arrow key to expand it, 
 it's much easier to get back to your starting point this way.
 Original message:
 hey listers,
 after using column view for quite some time i have started using list view 
 because it seems to work better in folders with a lot of content.
 my question is this, is there any way i can get around having to interact 
 with every single folder that i open? it drives me round the bend.
 i’m using mavrics and column view just makes finder die in big folders hence 
 the change to list view.
 any help would be fantastic
 
 thanks
 
 Michael
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Re: safari 6.1

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher Gilland
Honestly, I really don’t see any difference as of yet.  I think the main thing 
is that they updated it for Maverick compatibility, as well as added the 
ability to use ICloud keychain.

Aside from that though, I’m not really aware of anything.

Chris.

On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:23 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote:

 how is it different, please?
 
 On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 No, it's not.  They have version 7 in Mavericks.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
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 on Twitter.
 
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 - Original Message - From: William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:07 AM
 Subject: safari 6.1
 
 
 hello to all
 
 if i install safari 6.1 is this the same version as in mac osx 10.9?
 regards william
 
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Re: safari 6.1

2013-10-23 Thread William Lomas
many thanks for this. i am happy with mountain lion for now. my main update 
reason would be ibooks for studying but seems incompatible for now with VO 
again thanks for this help 

On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:52, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 Honestly, I really don’t see any difference as of yet.  I think the main 
 thing is that they updated it for Maverick compatibility, as well as added 
 the ability to use ICloud keychain.
 
 Aside from that though, I’m not really aware of anything.
 
 Chris.
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:23 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 how is it different, please?
 
 On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 No, it's not.  They have version 7 in Mavericks.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
 me on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: William Lomas 
 w.d.lo...@btinternet.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:07 AM
 Subject: safari 6.1
 
 
 hello to all
 
 if i install safari 6.1 is this the same version as in mac osx 10.9?
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Re: Application busy - why does it happen?

2013-10-23 Thread Bryan Jones
Hi Parham,

This is a long-running behavior for some of us. Interestingly, you’ll find some 
VO Users who say they’ve never experienced the issue, but from past discussions 
I am pretty sure most of us have seen it happen to some extent. I’ve never 
heard a definitive explanation of why it happens, but here is what I know from 
past and current experiences.

1. The occasional “busy” message seems to be normal and is just telling you to 
wait a few seconds while a process completes.
2. In those cases where the “busy” message just won’t stop, I’ve had some 
success easing the pain by turning VO off and ON via the Command+F5 keystroke. 
Sometimes this stops the message and allows me to continue working, sometimes 
it does not.
3. For me, the issue used to be most evident in Safari but it has gradually 
improved over time with updates to the OS  Safari. What I often hear now is, 
“ninety percent loaded, ninety percent loaded, ninety percent loaded.” If you 
run into that one, a simple way to kill it is to press Command+. which stops 
the page load but in my experience does not cause any important data to be left 
behind.
5. When you are experiencing the issue in iTunes, it might be because iTunes 
uses Safari (or at least some part of Webkit) as the interface for the iTunes 
Store within the iTunes Mac App. This is nice in a way because you can use 
standard VO web navigation commands to find your way around the iTunes store, 
but it also seems to bring the annoying “busy” messages to iTunes when loading 
or navigating the store interface.
6. If / when you encounter the issue with specific third-party Apps, I would 
suggest contacting those Developers and describing the specific steps to follow 
to replicate the problem. As always, some Devs will be more helpful than 
others. When the Bento database app became crippled by this issue after an OS 
upgrade a while back, FileMaker, the Developers of Bento, did nothing to fix 
the problem. BTW, FileMaker has since stopped developing Bento altogether.

HTH,
Bryan

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 When in iTunes, Airport utility, or even in VLC player when fast-forwarding 
 using command-option-right arrow, I would hear Application name busy, 
 like iTunes busy.
 
 Why does this happen? In some cases, it makes the application unusable until 
 I close it and reopen it (it mostly happens in iTunes).

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Re: safari 6.1

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher Gilland
Yeah, right now, IBooks has quite a few accessibility issues from what little I 
understand.  If that is your main reason, you’d be better off to probably stick 
for now with Mountain Lion, then just use IOS for IBooks, which is 100% 
accessible.

Chris.

On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:02 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote:

 many thanks for this. i am happy with mountain lion for now. my main update 
 reason would be ibooks for studying but seems incompatible for now with VO 
 again thanks for this help 
 
 On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:52, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 Honestly, I really don’t see any difference as of yet.  I think the main 
 thing is that they updated it for Maverick compatibility, as well as added 
 the ability to use ICloud keychain.
 
 Aside from that though, I’m not really aware of anything.
 
 Chris.
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:23 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 how is it different, please?
 
 On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 No, it's not.  They have version 7 in Mavericks.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
 me on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: William Lomas 
 w.d.lo...@btinternet.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:07 AM
 Subject: safari 6.1
 
 
 hello to all
 
 if i install safari 6.1 is this the same version as in mac osx 10.9?
 regards william
 
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Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi Chris,
Sorry I don't have the time right now to go into a detailed look, but I think 
that the table menu and possibly the inspector are the kinds of areas you want 
to look at. I think you can make changes to cells, and certainly you can add 
columns and rows from them.
All the best,
Zack.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 I have a couple of questions about creating tables in Pages.
 
 First of all, I noticed that by default when I inserted a table, and selected 
 basic, it made 4 columns and 5 rows if I remember correctly.  So, how do I 
 either insert rows, or columns as well as how do I remove them if needed?
 
 Second question is, how can I query the size of a cell to make sure that my 
 text isn’t going to be too long and run outside the border boundaries of the 
 cell?  Will the cells automatically compensate, or do I have to somehow 
 stretch them?  I know a sighted person could grab their little handle with a 
 mouse and drag to stretch them, but that obviously doesn’t work for people 
 like us.
 
 Anyway, any thoughts would be very appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chris.
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ibooks was Re: safari 6.1

2013-10-23 Thread William Lomas
with ibooks on ios though can i navigate through a book with lines words etc. 
reply off list if you wish please

On 23 Oct 2013, at 16:08, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 Yeah, right now, IBooks has quite a few accessibility issues from what little 
 I understand.  If that is your main reason, you’d be better off to probably 
 stick for now with Mountain Lion, then just use IOS for IBooks, which is 100% 
 accessible.
 
 Chris.
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:02 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 many thanks for this. i am happy with mountain lion for now. my main update 
 reason would be ibooks for studying but seems incompatible for now with VO 
 again thanks for this help 
 
 On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:52, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 Honestly, I really don’t see any difference as of yet.  I think the main 
 thing is that they updated it for Maverick compatibility, as well as added 
 the ability to use ICloud keychain.
 
 Aside from that though, I’m not really aware of anything.
 
 Chris.
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:23 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 how is it different, please?
 
 On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 No, it's not.  They have version 7 in Mavericks.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
 me on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: William Lomas 
 w.d.lo...@btinternet.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:07 AM
 Subject: safari 6.1
 
 
 hello to all
 
 if i install safari 6.1 is this the same version as in mac osx 10.9?
 regards william
 
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Re: ibooks was Re: safari 6.1

2013-10-23 Thread isaac

Yes you can use lines words

-Original Message- 
From: William Lomas

Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:20 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: ibooks was Re: safari 6.1

with ibooks on ios though can i navigate through a book with lines words 
etc. reply off list if you wish please


On 23 Oct 2013, at 16:08, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:


Yeah, right now, IBooks has quite a few accessibility issues from what 
little I understand.  If that is your main reason, you’d be better off to 
probably stick for now with Mountain Lion, then just use IOS for IBooks, 
which is 100% accessible.


Chris.

On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:02 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com 
wrote:


many thanks for this. i am happy with mountain lion for now. my main 
update reason would be ibooks for studying but seems incompatible for now 
with VO

again thanks for this help

On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:52, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:


Honestly, I really don’t see any difference as of yet.  I think the main 
thing is that they updated it for Maverick compatibility, as well as 
added the ability to use ICloud keychain.


Aside from that though, I’m not really aware of anything.

Chris.

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wrote:



how is it different, please?

On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:



No, it's not.  They have version 7 in Mavericks.

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- Original Message - From: William Lomas 
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To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:07 AM
Subject: safari 6.1



hello to all

if i install safari 6.1 is this the same version as in mac osx 10.9?
regards william

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my initial thoughts on os10.9

2013-10-23 Thread Sarah Alawami
Hey to all. I wrote a small blog post on the issues one will come across 
regarding mavrics. I'm sure it was discussed a lot on this list but I purposly 
decided to ignore it until I upgraded, plus I was practicing claranet and 
voice. Anyway I don't have a direct link, however it will be the first non 
sticky post after the broadcasting post at the top.  or you can just go here.

http://www.tffppodcast.com/?p=2351

I like osx10.9 except for these 6 or so issues I posted about. No voice it's 
just a blog post as I was in a hurry when I released it this morning. Feel free 
to comment direct on the post, and if you see this on the facebook page comment 
there as well as those comments also get imported in to the posts. The fb page 
is at http://facebook.com/tffppodcast
 
Take care all and be blessed.
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RE: Authentication has no window When Installing an app

2013-10-23 Thread wayne17a
Hello try vo and press f2 twice to open the window choser and see if
that windows is there hope this helps

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:58 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Authentication has no window When Installing an app

Hi all,

When I wanted to install Proxifier (using its .pkg installation package), at
the very end, OSX would ask me for a password. If I tried to navigate in
this window or waited too much, I would hear Authentication busy. If i
would alt-tab away and back, I would hear Authentication has no window.

How can I fix this issue with having no window? The only way I found the
last time was to restart my system, as Voiceover didn't recognize other
windows and nothing worked. Even when I left-clicked, Voiceover would say
Apple menu, but when I would press any of the arrow keys, I would just
hear the voice effect of hitting a boundary.

Thanks.

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Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
OK, can you refresh my memory on how to toggle the inspector?  I'm drawing a 
blank.


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- Original Message - 
From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks



Hi Chris,
Sorry I don't have the time right now to go into a detailed look, but I 
think that the table menu and possibly the inspector are the kinds of 
areas you want to look at. I think you can make changes to cells, and 
certainly you can add columns and rows from them.

All the best,
Zack.

Sent from my iPhone

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wrote:


I have a couple of questions about creating tables in Pages.

First of all, I noticed that by default when I inserted a table, and 
selected basic, it made 4 columns and 5 rows if I remember correctly. 
So, how do I either insert rows, or columns as well as how do I remove 
them if needed?


Second question is, how can I query the size of a cell to make sure that 
my text isn’t going to be too long and run outside the border boundaries 
of the cell?  Will the cells automatically compensate, or do I have to 
somehow stretch them?  I know a sighted person could grab their little 
handle with a mouse and drag to stretch them, but that obviously doesn’t 
work for people like us.


Anyway, any thoughts would be very appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris.
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Re: ibooks was Re: safari 6.1

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
No, it's OK, seeing you did change the subject appropriately, I'll write on 
list.  To answer your question, yes, you most certainly can.  What you'll 
do, is to turn your rotor to which ever element you want to move by, be it 
words, headings, characters, links, etc. then you'll one finger flick up or 
down to move by that amount.


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- Original Message - 
From: William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:20 AM
Subject: ibooks was Re: safari 6.1


with ibooks on ios though can i navigate through a book with lines words 
etc. reply off list if you wish please


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Yeah, right now, IBooks has quite a few accessibility issues from what 
little I understand.  If that is your main reason, you’d be better off to 
probably stick for now with Mountain Lion, then just use IOS for IBooks, 
which is 100% accessible.


Chris.

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wrote:


many thanks for this. i am happy with mountain lion for now. my main 
update reason would be ibooks for studying but seems incompatible for now 
with VO

again thanks for this help

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wrote:


Honestly, I really don’t see any difference as of yet.  I think the main 
thing is that they updated it for Maverick compatibility, as well as 
added the ability to use ICloud keychain.


Aside from that though, I’m not really aware of anything.

Chris.

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wrote:



how is it different, please?

On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:



No, it's not.  They have version 7 in Mavericks.

Chris.


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- Original Message - From: William Lomas 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:07 AM
Subject: safari 6.1



hello to all

if i install safari 6.1 is this the same version as in mac osx 10.9?
regards william

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mavericks mail question

2013-10-23 Thread Cait and Maggie
Hi,
I seem to be notified every time I get a new mail message, which is extremely 
annoying especially if I’m already in the mail app.

How do I turn this off?
I thought this might be an issue with notification centre, but I’ve already had 
a look in there and mail isn’t included in that lot.

I can’t find anything in mail prefs..
um, help..!

Many thanks!
Caitlyn, with a few more grey hairs

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Re: my initial thoughts on os10.9

2013-10-23 Thread William Lomas
Any new voices in release

Sent from my iPhone

 On 23 Oct 2013, at 16:50, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey to all. I wrote a small blog post on the issues one will come across 
 regarding mavrics. I'm sure it was discussed a lot on this list but I 
 purposly decided to ignore it until I upgraded, plus I was practicing 
 claranet and voice. Anyway I don't have a direct link, however it will be the 
 first non sticky post after the broadcasting post at the top.  or you can 
 just go here.
 
 http://www.tffppodcast.com/?p=2351
 
 I like osx10.9 except for these 6 or so issues I posted about. No voice it's 
 just a blog post as I was in a hurry when I released it this morning. Feel 
 free to comment direct on the post, and if you see this on the facebook page 
 comment there as well as those comments also get imported in to the posts. 
 The fb page is at http://facebook.com/tffppodcast
 
 Take care all and be blessed.
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Re: mavericks mail question

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I don't think it's a matter of your notification center, but you pretty well 
already covered that.  This is normal behavior, provided that the Mail app 
is running.  Even if you hit command+H to hide it to the dock, it will still 
notify you.  I personally love that as I love knowing when a new mail comes 
in, and being able to know who it was from, however, I can see in your 
argument where this could be extremely annoying.  There may be something in 
the Voiceover Verbosity settings, but I'm not aware of it.  Does it do this 
if you go into the mail app, then hit Command+Q to quit it?


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From: Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:31 PM
Subject: mavericks mail question


Hi,
I seem to be notified every time I get a new mail message, which is 
extremely annoying especially if I’m already in the mail app.


How do I turn this off?
I thought this might be an issue with notification centre, but I’ve already 
had a look in there and mail isn’t included in that lot.


I can’t find anything in mail prefs..
um, help..!

Many thanks!
Caitlyn, with a few more grey hairs

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Re: mavericks mail question

2013-10-23 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi,
There is a setting in General Mail Preferences. It’s called New Mail 
Notifications. Set it to VIP, and you won’t get a notification for every 
incoming message.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 I don't think it's a matter of your notification center, but you pretty well 
 already covered that.  This is normal behavior, provided that the Mail app is 
 running.  Even if you hit command+H to hide it to the dock, it will still 
 notify you.  I personally love that as I love knowing when a new mail comes 
 in, and being able to know who it was from, however, I can see in your 
 argument where this could be extremely annoying.  There may be something in 
 the Voiceover Verbosity settings, but I'm not aware of it.  Does it do this 
 if you go into the mail app, then hit Command+Q to quit it?
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
 on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: Cait and Maggie 
 caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:31 PM
 Subject: mavericks mail question
 
 
 Hi,
 I seem to be notified every time I get a new mail message, which is extremely 
 annoying especially if I’m already in the mail app.
 
 How do I turn this off?
 I thought this might be an issue with notification centre, but I’ve already 
 had a look in there and mail isn’t included in that lot.
 
 I can’t find anything in mail prefs..
 um, help..!
 
 Many thanks!
 Caitlyn, with a few more grey hairs
 
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Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi Chris,
cmd-option-i will toggle the inspector, which is labeled as the “formatter,” 
when open. One of the options in this group is a whole bunch of table and cell 
settings.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 OK, can you refresh my memory on how to toggle the inspector?  I'm drawing a 
 blank.
 
 Chris.
 
 
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 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
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 - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:14 AM
 Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks
 
 
 Hi Chris,
 Sorry I don't have the time right now to go into a detailed look, but I 
 think that the table menu and possibly the inspector are the kinds of areas 
 you want to look at. I think you can make changes to cells, and certainly 
 you can add columns and rows from them.
 All the best,
 Zack.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 I have a couple of questions about creating tables in Pages.
 
 First of all, I noticed that by default when I inserted a table, and 
 selected basic, it made 4 columns and 5 rows if I remember correctly. So, 
 how do I either insert rows, or columns as well as how do I remove them if 
 needed?
 
 Second question is, how can I query the size of a cell to make sure that my 
 text isn’t going to be too long and run outside the border boundaries of 
 the cell?  Will the cells automatically compensate, or do I have to somehow 
 stretch them?  I know a sighted person could grab their little handle with 
 a mouse and drag to stretch them, but that obviously doesn’t work for 
 people like us.
 
 Anyway, any thoughts would be very appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chris.
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Re: my initial thoughts on os10.9

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Yes, as a matter of fact.  I at least know of two US English voices that 
both are female, and both are actually incredible.


There is Alison, and there is one more but I don't know how to spell her 
name, so I'm not going to attempt.  If you look through the list of US 
female English voices though, it'll be really obvious.  It starts with an E. 
I just can't place the name.  Sorry.  If you wonder how these sound before 
installing, the voice I can't think of sounds like a really really glorified 
really clear souped up version of the Pico SVox female American English 
voice that you got by default with Android 4.0 Icecream Sandwitch.  Not the 
one from Jellybean, beware.  It's good, but not quite that! good.  The other 
voice, Alison, is identically the same voice you'd hear if you call a 
telephone PBX system running Asterisk.  If you want to hear how it sounds, 
then call my company at:


704-256-0067, and when you hear the IVR answer, just interupt it, and dial 
6.  Now, that's not a valid extension on our PBX, so you'll definitely get 
an error message, but it'll at least! let you then hear the voice.  It'll 
say, Sorry you're having trouble.  Goodbye.  That female voice saying that 
is Alison, the same new voice you now can get in Mavericks.


Chris.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: my initial thoughts on os10.9



Any new voices in release

Sent from my iPhone


On 23 Oct 2013, at 16:50, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey to all. I wrote a small blog post on the issues one will come across 
regarding mavrics. I'm sure it was discussed a lot on this list but I 
purposly decided to ignore it until I upgraded, plus I was practicing 
claranet and voice. Anyway I don't have a direct link, however it will be 
the first non sticky post after the broadcasting post at the top.  or you 
can just go here.


http://www.tffppodcast.com/?p=2351

I like osx10.9 except for these 6 or so issues I posted about. No voice 
it's just a blog post as I was in a hurry when I released it this 
morning. Feel free to comment direct on the post, and if you see this on 
the facebook page comment there as well as those comments also get 
imported in to the posts. The fb page is at 
http://facebook.com/tffppodcast


Take care all and be blessed.
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Re: mavericks mail question

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Oh!  Would that then only notify for things in your V I P mailbox?  That's 
really really cool!  I didn't even know about this.


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- Original Message - 
From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: mavericks mail question


Hi,
There is a setting in General Mail Preferences. It’s called New Mail 
Notifications. Set it to VIP, and you won’t get a notification for every 
incoming message.

Best,
Zack.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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I don't think it's a matter of your notification center, but you pretty 
well already covered that.  This is normal behavior, provided that the 
Mail app is running.  Even if you hit command+H to hide it to the dock, it 
will still notify you.  I personally love that as I love knowing when a 
new mail comes in, and being able to know who it was from, however, I can 
see in your argument where this could be extremely annoying.  There may be 
something in the Voiceover Verbosity settings, but I'm not aware of it. 
Does it do this if you go into the mail app, then hit Command+Q to quit 
it?


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- Original Message - From: Cait and Maggie 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:31 PM
Subject: mavericks mail question


Hi,
I seem to be notified every time I get a new mail message, which is 
extremely annoying especially if I’m already in the mail app.


How do I turn this off?
I thought this might be an issue with notification centre, but I’ve 
already had a look in there and mail isn’t included in that lot.


I can’t find anything in mail prefs..
um, help..!

Many thanks!
Caitlyn, with a few more grey hairs

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Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Actually, you know what?  I did see the formatter earlier when I was 
exploring the layout.  I wondered what that was.  Mine was already on the 
screen when I first launched Pages, so maybe I just need to go in there and 
look a little bit more thoroughly.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks


Hi Chris,
cmd-option-i will toggle the inspector, which is labeled as the “formatter,” 
when open. One of the options in this group is a whole bunch of table and 
cell settings.

Best,
Zack.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


OK, can you refresh my memory on how to toggle the inspector?  I'm drawing 
a blank.


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- Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks



Hi Chris,
Sorry I don't have the time right now to go into a detailed look, but I 
think that the table menu and possibly the inspector are the kinds of 
areas you want to look at. I think you can make changes to cells, and 
certainly you can add columns and rows from them.

All the best,
Zack.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:


I have a couple of questions about creating tables in Pages.

First of all, I noticed that by default when I inserted a table, and 
selected basic, it made 4 columns and 5 rows if I remember correctly. 
So, how do I either insert rows, or columns as well as how do I remove 
them if needed?


Second question is, how can I query the size of a cell to make sure that 
my text isn’t going to be too long and run outside the border boundaries 
of the cell?  Will the cells automatically compensate, or do I have to 
somehow stretch them?  I know a sighted person could grab their little 
handle with a mouse and drag to stretch them, but that obviously doesn’t 
work for people like us.


Anyway, any thoughts would be very appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris.
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Re: Apple keynote podcast

2013-10-23 Thread George Cham
Thanks, an downloading podcast through downcast.
Found no podcasts under music ,\more tab .
 


George,

  Sent from my iPad

 On 23 Oct 2013, at 9:44 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 I don't think it's going to.  Try looking under your Music app, then go down 
 to the bottom right corner of the screen, and double tap on the more tab. In 
 here, look for Podcasts.  You should see it in here.
 
 Videos is used more for your own home videos or movie/TV shows you've synced, 
 video podcasts not withstanding.
 
 Personally, I would use Downcast over trying to sync with ITunes, but that's 
 just me personally.  Each is to his or her own.
 
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 - Original Message - From: George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net
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 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:24 AM
 Subject: Apple keynote podcast
 
 
 I've just downloaded the apple keynote video podcast.
 I've synced it to the iPad, but its not showing up in the videos app.
 
 typed with Fleksy
 reply://george.c...@mac-access.net
 
 
 
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Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Daniela Rubio
Hi, the magic is on menu format, submenu Table. The inspector is more about 
formatting the table indeed, stiles, etc.
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 23/10/2013, a las 19:20, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
escribió:

 Actually, you know what?  I did see the formatter earlier when I was 
 exploring the layout.  I wondered what that was.  Mine was already on the 
 screen when I first launched Pages, so maybe I just need to go in there and 
 look a little bit more thoroughly.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
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 on Twitter.
 
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 - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:15 PM
 Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks
 
 
 Hi Chris,
 cmd-option-i will toggle the inspector, which is labeled as the “formatter,” 
 when open. One of the options in this group is a whole bunch of table and 
 cell settings.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 OK, can you refresh my memory on how to toggle the inspector?  I'm drawing a 
 blank.
 
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 - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:14 AM
 Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks
 
 
 Hi Chris,
 Sorry I don't have the time right now to go into a detailed look, but I 
 think that the table menu and possibly the inspector are the kinds of areas 
 you want to look at. I think you can make changes to cells, and certainly 
 you can add columns and rows from them.
 All the best,
 Zack.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have a couple of questions about creating tables in Pages.
 
 First of all, I noticed that by default when I inserted a table, and 
 selected basic, it made 4 columns and 5 rows if I remember correctly. So, 
 how do I either insert rows, or columns as well as how do I remove them if 
 needed?
 
 Second question is, how can I query the size of a cell to make sure that 
 my text isn’t going to be too long and run outside the border boundaries 
 of the cell?  Will the cells automatically compensate, or do I have to 
 somehow stretch them?  I know a sighted person could grab their little 
 handle with a mouse and drag to stretch them, but that obviously doesn’t 
 work for people like us.
 
 Anyway, any thoughts would be very appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chris.
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Important info for Gmail users to read before updating to Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Esther
Hello All,

If you use Gmail, please read this recent TidBITS article before you update to 
Mavericks. There are settings you may have used for IMAP clients to avoid 
duplicate messages that now break other things in Mail under Mavericks:
• Mail in Mavericks Changes the Gmail Equation by Joe Kissell
http://tidbits.com/article/14219

There are additional general comments about Mail's performance in Mavericks 
that makes this worth reading for general users, too.

HTH.  Cheers,

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Re: Important info for Gmail users to read before updating to Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Zachary Kline
Dear Ester and all,
This is definitely something Apple is aware of. They will apparently be posting 
some tech support articles about it in the near future.
Best,
Zack.
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 duplicate messages that now break other things in Mail under Mavericks:
 • Mail in Mavericks Changes the Gmail Equation by Joe Kissell
 http://tidbits.com/article/14219
 
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test - please ignore

2013-10-23 Thread Paul Hopewell
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Re: Authentication has no window When Installing an app

2013-10-23 Thread Parham Doustdar

Hi,

Well, at this point, Voiceover gets stuck and keeps saying No windows 
when I press VO + f2, whether I press it once or twice.


Thanks.
On 10/23/2013 7:24 PM, wayne17a wrote:

Hello try vo and press f2 twice to open the window choser and see if
that windows is there hope this helps

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:58 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Authentication has no window When Installing an app

Hi all,

When I wanted to install Proxifier (using its .pkg installation package), at
the very end, OSX would ask me for a password. If I tried to navigate in
this window or waited too much, I would hear Authentication busy. If i
would alt-tab away and back, I would hear Authentication has no window.

How can I fix this issue with having no window? The only way I found the
last time was to restart my system, as Voiceover didn't recognize other
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Apple menu, but when I would press any of the arrow keys, I would just
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Re: Authentication has no window When Installing an app

2013-10-23 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi,
Have yout ried command-tab, or other keystrokes?
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Well, at this point, Voiceover gets stuck and keeps saying No windows when 
 I press VO + f2, whether I press it once or twice.
 
 Thanks.
 On 10/23/2013 7:24 PM, wayne17a wrote:
  Hello try vo and press f2 twice to open the window choser and see if
 that windows is there hope this helps
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:58 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Authentication has no window When Installing an app
 
 Hi all,
 
 When I wanted to install Proxifier (using its .pkg installation package), at
 the very end, OSX would ask me for a password. If I tried to navigate in
 this window or waited too much, I would hear Authentication busy. If i
 would alt-tab away and back, I would hear Authentication has no window.
 
 How can I fix this issue with having no window? The only way I found the
 last time was to restart my system, as Voiceover didn't recognize other
 windows and nothing worked. Even when I left-clicked, Voiceover would say
 Apple menu, but when I would press any of the arrow keys, I would just
 hear the voice effect of hitting a boundary.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Authentication has no window When Installing an app

2013-10-23 Thread Parham Doustdar

Hi,

Yes. Command-tabbing tells me the name of other windows, but nothing 
else. Releasing the command button makes nothing happen and windows do 
not switch.

On 10/23/2013 10:36 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

Hi,
Have yout ried command-tab, or other keystrokes?
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

Well, at this point, Voiceover gets stuck and keeps saying No windows when I 
press VO + f2, whether I press it once or twice.

Thanks.
On 10/23/2013 7:24 PM, wayne17a wrote:

Hello try vo and press f2 twice to open the window choser and see if
that windows is there hope this helps

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:58 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Authentication has no window When Installing an app

Hi all,

When I wanted to install Proxifier (using its .pkg installation package), at
the very end, OSX would ask me for a password. If I tried to navigate in
this window or waited too much, I would hear Authentication busy. If i
would alt-tab away and back, I would hear Authentication has no window.

How can I fix this issue with having no window? The only way I found the
last time was to restart my system, as Voiceover didn't recognize other
windows and nothing worked. Even when I left-clicked, Voiceover would say
Apple menu, but when I would press any of the arrow keys, I would just
hear the voice effect of hitting a boundary.

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Re: a question about list view in finder

2013-10-23 Thread Michael Marshall
hey,
thanks for these tips.
another way i have found is to hit cmd down to open and cmd up to close. only 
because if i hit cmd o to open and then cmd left bracket to go back i end up at 
the top of the documents.
i can turn off quick nav so i don’t have to interact but then i can’t jump to 
the bottom to the last file in the folder.
this is a small bug with mavrics and i must say that VO is a way better 
screenreader now in some respects. still no end to 1 row added.

Michael
On 24 Oct 2013, at 1:09 am, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 I have not used mavericks yet, but assuming it's similar to mountain lion, 
 here are a few hints. Press command j to open the preferences for list view, 
 this will allow you to choose what columns are displayed. To open a folder, I 
 usually use command o rather than using the right arrow key to expand it, 
 it's much easier to get back to your starting point this way.
 Original message:
 hey listers,
 after using column view for quite some time i have started using list view 
 because it seems to work better in folders with a lot of content.
 my question is this, is there any way i can get around having to interact 
 with every single folder that i open? it drives me round the bend.
 i’m using mavrics and column view just makes finder die in big folders hence 
 the change to list view.
 any help would be fantastic
 
 thanks
 
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Re: a question about list view in finder

2013-10-23 Thread Michael Marshall
hey ann,
thanks for getting back to me.
i worked out that last tip from doing it on the web in the bookmarks folders.

Michael
On 24 Oct 2013, at 1:38 am, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 To add to this, you can also open folders with Cmd-down arrow then return to 
 the parent folder with Cmd-up arrow.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On 23 Oct 2013, at 16:09, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 I have not used mavericks yet, but assuming it's similar to mountain lion, 
 here are a few hints. Press command j to open the preferences for list view, 
 this will allow you to choose what columns are displayed. To open a folder, 
 I usually use command o rather than using the right arrow key to expand it, 
 it's much easier to get back to your starting point this way.
 Original message:
 hey listers,
 after using column view for quite some time i have started using list view 
 because it seems to work better in folders with a lot of content.
 my question is this, is there any way i can get around having to interact 
 with every single folder that i open? it drives me round the bend.
 i’m using mavrics and column view just makes finder die in big folders 
 hence the change to list view.
 any help would be fantastic
 
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Re: Authentication has no window When Installing an app

2013-10-23 Thread Zachary Kline
Okay, that's weird. I think I may have seen this once, but it doesn't happen 
every time… Try typing your password and hitting enter. You'll get the message 
every keystroke, but hopefully afterwards it will go away…

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Yes. Command-tabbing tells me the name of other windows, but nothing else. 
 Releasing the command button makes nothing happen and windows do not switch.
 On 10/23/2013 10:36 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
 Hi,
 Have yout ried command-tab, or other keystrokes?
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Well, at this point, Voiceover gets stuck and keeps saying No windows 
 when I press VO + f2, whether I press it once or twice.
 
 Thanks.
 On 10/23/2013 7:24 PM, wayne17a wrote:
Hello try vo and press f2 twice to open the window choser and see if
 that windows is there hope this helps
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:58 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Authentication has no window When Installing an app
 
 Hi all,
 
 When I wanted to install Proxifier (using its .pkg installation package), 
 at
 the very end, OSX would ask me for a password. If I tried to navigate in
 this window or waited too much, I would hear Authentication busy. If i
 would alt-tab away and back, I would hear Authentication has no window.
 
 How can I fix this issue with having no window? The only way I found the
 last time was to restart my system, as Voiceover didn't recognize other
 windows and nothing worked. Even when I left-clicked, Voiceover would say
 Apple menu, but when I would press any of the arrow keys, I would just
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Re: Mavericks and Mail, was: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread matthew dyer
Hi Chris,

There is an image that vo announces  which is the unreread tag.  I will say is 
that the number of messages in a conversation is no longer being announced.  
Anyone else seeing this?  Thanks.


matthew dyer 
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 One thing about Mail I'm noticing that I, can, not, stand! that has been this 
 way since the Gold Master is Voiceover isn't seeming to report any longer 
 that messages are read, or unread.  Maybe I did something to turn it off, but 
 I'm not aware of anything.
 
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 - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com
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 Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:11 PM
 Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
 
 
 Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability 
 to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in 
 Mavericks’ Mail.app
 
 ;-)
 
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Re: slow keystroke echo on a mac book pro?

2013-10-23 Thread Bryan Jones
Hi Henry,

Assuming you have your VO typing echo set to speak “Characters” or “Characters 
and Words,” you should expect to hear the character spoken as soon as you press 
each key. The setting is found in the Verbosity / Text section of the VO 
Utility.

Is the delay happening for you in all edit fields, or just edit fields in a 
specific app or website? For example, does it happen while you are typing in 
the body of an email, the login name field on a website, etc?

-Bryan

On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk wrote:
 Whilst inserting text into an edit field, I notice that there is a delay for
 voice over to announce the key stroke that I have just pressed, Is this
 normal for voice over?

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Re: Important info for Gmail users to read before updating to Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Sarah Alawami
It's a little too late. I already upgraded to Mavericks. Will I be able to fix 
whatever's broken?

 On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:40, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: 
 
 Dear Ester and all,
 This is definitely something Apple is aware of. They will apparently be 
 posting some tech support articles about it in the near future.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 If you use Gmail, please read this recent TidBITS article before you update 
 to Mavericks. There are settings you may have used for IMAP clients to avoid 
 duplicate messages that now break other things in Mail under Mavericks:
 • Mail in Mavericks Changes the Gmail Equation by Joe Kissell
 http://tidbits.com/article/14219
 
 There are additional general comments about Mail's performance in Mavericks 
 that makes this worth reading for general users, too.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
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Re: Apple keynote podcast

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Hmm!  Really!  Well, dang it!  I wonder where they moved it to.  I don't 
usually do podcasts that way, so, yeah, sorry for the mis-information.  Let 
me know if you don't figure it out.  My IPad's charging right now, so I 
can't look right this second, but give me a bit and I will, if you'd like me 
to.


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- Original Message - 
From: George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Apple keynote podcast



Thanks, an downloading podcast through downcast.
Found no podcasts under music ,\more tab .



George,

 Sent from my iPad

On 23 Oct 2013, at 9:44 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


I don't think it's going to.  Try looking under your Music app, then go 
down to the bottom right corner of the screen, and double tap on the more 
tab. In here, look for Podcasts.  You should see it in here.


Videos is used more for your own home videos or movie/TV shows you've 
synced, video podcasts not withstanding.


Personally, I would use Downcast over trying to sync with ITunes, but 
that's just me personally.  Each is to his or her own.


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- Original Message - From: George Cham 
george.c...@mac-access.net

To: Mac-access iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:24 AM
Subject: Apple keynote podcast



I've just downloaded the apple keynote video podcast.
I've synced it to the iPad, but its not showing up in the videos app.

typed with Fleksy
reply://george.c...@mac-access.net



George,

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Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I recall with the inspector there being an issue in the past where you 
couldn't get to the tabs, which actually showed up as  radio buttons to go 
from screen to screen unless you did a vo+up arrow.  I don't exactly 
remember the trick though of where you had to be focused before doing the 
vo+up arrow though.  Is the inspector still this way, or has that seemed to 
be fixed.


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From: Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks


Hi, the magic is on menu format, submenu Table. The inspector is more about 
formatting the table indeed, stiles, etc.

Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 23/10/2013, a las 19:20, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com escribió:


Actually, you know what?  I did see the formatter earlier when I was 
exploring the layout.  I wondered what that was.  Mine was already on the 
screen when I first launched Pages, so maybe I just need to go in there 
and look a little bit more thoroughly.


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- Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks


Hi Chris,
cmd-option-i will toggle the inspector, which is labeled as the 
“formatter,” when open. One of the options in this group is a whole bunch 
of table and cell settings.

Best,
Zack.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


OK, can you refresh my memory on how to toggle the inspector?  I'm 
drawing a blank.


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- Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with 
Mavericks




Hi Chris,
Sorry I don't have the time right now to go into a detailed look, but I 
think that the table menu and possibly the inspector are the kinds of 
areas you want to look at. I think you can make changes to cells, and 
certainly you can add columns and rows from them.

All the best,
Zack.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:


I have a couple of questions about creating tables in Pages.

First of all, I noticed that by default when I inserted a table, and 
selected basic, it made 4 columns and 5 rows if I remember correctly. 
So, how do I either insert rows, or columns as well as how do I remove 
them if needed?


Second question is, how can I query the size of a cell to make sure 
that my text isn’t going to be too long and run outside the border 
boundaries of the cell?  Will the cells automatically compensate, or do 
I have to somehow stretch them?  I know a sighted person could grab 
their little handle with a mouse and drag to stretch them, but that 
obviously doesn’t work for people like us.


Anyway, any thoughts would be very appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris.
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Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Zachary Kline
That seems to be fixed from what I can see. I land on the radio buttons 
reliably every time.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 I recall with the inspector there being an issue in the past where you 
 couldn't get to the tabs, which actually showed up as  radio buttons to go 
 from screen to screen unless you did a vo+up arrow.  I don't exactly remember 
 the trick though of where you had to be focused before doing the vo+up arrow 
 though.  Is the inspector still this way, or has that seemed to be fixed.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
 on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:52 PM
 Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks
 
 
 Hi, the magic is on menu format, submenu Table. The inspector is more about 
 formatting the table indeed, stiles, etc.
 Best
 
 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
 El 23/10/2013, a las 19:20, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com escribió:
 
 Actually, you know what?  I did see the formatter earlier when I was 
 exploring the layout.  I wondered what that was.  Mine was already on the 
 screen when I first launched Pages, so maybe I just need to go in there and 
 look a little bit more thoroughly.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
 on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:15 PM
 Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks
 
 
 Hi Chris,
 cmd-option-i will toggle the inspector, which is labeled as the “formatter,” 
 when open. One of the options in this group is a whole bunch of table and 
 cell settings.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 OK, can you refresh my memory on how to toggle the inspector?  I'm drawing 
 a blank.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
 me on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:14 AM
 Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks
 
 
 Hi Chris,
 Sorry I don't have the time right now to go into a detailed look, but I 
 think that the table menu and possibly the inspector are the kinds of 
 areas you want to look at. I think you can make changes to cells, and 
 certainly you can add columns and rows from them.
 All the best,
 Zack.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have a couple of questions about creating tables in Pages.
 
 First of all, I noticed that by default when I inserted a table, and 
 selected basic, it made 4 columns and 5 rows if I remember correctly. So, 
 how do I either insert rows, or columns as well as how do I remove them 
 if needed?
 
 Second question is, how can I query the size of a cell to make sure that 
 my text isn’t going to be too long and run outside the border boundaries 
 of the cell?  Will the cells automatically compensate, or do I have to 
 somehow stretch them?  I know a sighted person could grab their little 
 handle with a mouse and drag to stretch them, but that obviously doesn’t 
 work for people like us.
 
 Anyway, any thoughts would be very appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chris.
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Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
OK, I'll have a look once again.  Sorry for all of the questions. 
Especially with me being a dev, I confess, these are things that I should 
have looked at more thoroughly.


Chris.


Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.

http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
on Twitter.


http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
- Original Message - 
From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks


That seems to be fixed from what I can see. I land on the radio buttons 
reliably every time.

Best,
Zack.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


I recall with the inspector there being an issue in the past where you 
couldn't get to the tabs, which actually showed up as  radio buttons to go 
from screen to screen unless you did a vo+up arrow.  I don't exactly 
remember the trick though of where you had to be focused before doing the 
vo+up arrow though.  Is the inspector still this way, or has that seemed 
to be fixed.


Chris.


Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.

http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
me on Twitter.


http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
- Original Message - From: Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks


Hi, the magic is on menu format, submenu Table. The inspector is more 
about formatting the table indeed, stiles, etc.

Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 23/10/2013, a las 19:20, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com escribió:


Actually, you know what?  I did see the formatter earlier when I was 
exploring the layout.  I wondered what that was.  Mine was already on the 
screen when I first launched Pages, so maybe I just need to go in there 
and look a little bit more thoroughly.


Chris.


Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.

http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
me on Twitter.


http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
- Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with 
Mavericks



Hi Chris,
cmd-option-i will toggle the inspector, which is labeled as the 
“formatter,” when open. One of the options in this group is a whole bunch 
of table and cell settings.

Best,
Zack.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


OK, can you refresh my memory on how to toggle the inspector?  I'm 
drawing a blank.


Chris.


Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.

http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to 
follow me on Twitter.


http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
- Original Message - From: Zachary Kline 
zkl...@speedpost.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with 
Mavericks




Hi Chris,
Sorry I don't have the time right now to go into a detailed look, but I 
think that the table menu and possibly the inspector are the kinds of 
areas you want to look at. I think you can make changes to cells, and 
certainly you can add columns and rows from them.

All the best,
Zack.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:


I have a couple of questions about creating tables in Pages.

First of all, I noticed that by default when I inserted a table, and 
selected basic, it made 4 columns and 5 rows if I remember correctly. 
So, how do I either insert rows, or columns as well as how do I remove 
them if needed?


Second question is, how can I query the size of a cell to make sure 
that my text isn’t going to be too long and run outside the border 
boundaries of the cell?  Will the cells automatically compensate, or 
do I have to somehow stretch them?  I know a sighted person could grab 
their little handle with a mouse and drag to stretch them, but that 
obviously doesn’t work for people like us.


Anyway, any thoughts would be very appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris.
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Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Zachary Kline
Hey, I think the new Iwork stuff came as a surprise to everybody, me included. 
:-) I'm learning too.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 23, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 OK, I'll have a look once again.  Sorry for all of the questions. Especially 
 with me being a dev, I confess, these are things that I should have looked at 
 more thoroughly.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
 on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:06 PM
 Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks
 
 
 That seems to be fixed from what I can see. I land on the radio buttons 
 reliably every time.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 I recall with the inspector there being an issue in the past where you 
 couldn't get to the tabs, which actually showed up as  radio buttons to go 
 from screen to screen unless you did a vo+up arrow.  I don't exactly 
 remember the trick though of where you had to be focused before doing the 
 vo+up arrow though.  Is the inspector still this way, or has that seemed to 
 be fixed.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
 on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:52 PM
 Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks
 
 
 Hi, the magic is on menu format, submenu Table. The inspector is more about 
 formatting the table indeed, stiles, etc.
 Best
 
 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
 El 23/10/2013, a las 19:20, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com escribió:
 
 Actually, you know what?  I did see the formatter earlier when I was 
 exploring the layout.  I wondered what that was.  Mine was already on the 
 screen when I first launched Pages, so maybe I just need to go in there and 
 look a little bit more thoroughly.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
 me on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:15 PM
 Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks
 
 
 Hi Chris,
 cmd-option-i will toggle the inspector, which is labeled as the 
 “formatter,” when open. One of the options in this group is a whole bunch 
 of table and cell settings.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 OK, can you refresh my memory on how to toggle the inspector?  I'm drawing 
 a blank.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
 me on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:14 AM
 Subject: Re: A few questions about creating tables in Pages with Mavericks
 
 
 Hi Chris,
 Sorry I don't have the time right now to go into a detailed look, but I 
 think that the table menu and possibly the inspector are the kinds of 
 areas you want to look at. I think you can make changes to cells, and 
 certainly you can add columns and rows from them.
 All the best,
 Zack.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have a couple of questions about creating tables in Pages.
 
 First of all, I noticed that by default when I inserted a table, and 
 selected basic, it made 4 columns and 5 rows if I remember correctly. 
 So, how do I either insert rows, or columns as well as how do I remove 
 them if needed?
 
 Second question is, how can I query the size of a cell to make sure that 
 my text isn’t going to be too long and run outside the border boundaries 
 of the cell?  Will the cells automatically compensate, or do I have to 
 somehow stretch them?  I know a sighted person could grab their little 
 handle with a mouse and drag to stretch them, but that 

Re: Apple keynote podcast

2013-10-23 Thread George Cham
I think I fixed it, 
Under preferences, I had download podcasts automateclly .
Downloading podcast now 
  P


George,

  Sent from my iPad

 On 24 Oct 2013, at 10:03 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Hmm!  Really!  Well, dang it!  I wonder where they moved it to.  I don't 
 usually do podcasts that way, so, yeah, sorry for the mis-information.  Let 
 me know if you don't figure it out.  My IPad's charging right now, so I can't 
 look right this second, but give me a bit and I will, if you'd like me to.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
 on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:43 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple keynote podcast
 
 
 Thanks, an downloading podcast through downcast.
 Found no podcasts under music ,\more tab .
 
 
 
 George,
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 23 Oct 2013, at 9:44 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 I don't think it's going to.  Try looking under your Music app, then go 
 down to the bottom right corner of the screen, and double tap on the more 
 tab. In here, look for Podcasts.  You should see it in here.
 
 Videos is used more for your own home videos or movie/TV shows you've 
 synced, video podcasts not withstanding.
 
 Personally, I would use Downcast over trying to sync with ITunes, but 
 that's just me personally.  Each is to his or her own.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
 me on Twitter.
 
 http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
 - Original Message - From: George Cham 
 george.c...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac-access iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:24 AM
 Subject: Apple keynote podcast
 
 
 I've just downloaded the apple keynote video podcast.
 I've synced it to the iPad, but its not showing up in the videos app.
 
 typed with Fleksy
 reply://george.c...@mac-access.net
 
 
 
 George,
 
 Sent from my iPad
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Re: Apple keynote podcast

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Oh, ok, yeah, that would probably do it.

Chris.


Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.

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- Original Message - 
From: George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Apple keynote podcast



I think I fixed it,
Under preferences, I had download podcasts automateclly .
Downloading podcast now
 P


George,

 Sent from my iPad

On 24 Oct 2013, at 10:03 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


Hmm!  Really!  Well, dang it!  I wonder where they moved it to.  I don't 
usually do podcasts that way, so, yeah, sorry for the mis-information. 
Let me know if you don't figure it out.  My IPad's charging right now, so 
I can't look right this second, but give me a bit and I will, if you'd 
like me to.


Chris.


Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.

http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
me on Twitter.


http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
- Original Message - From: George Cham 
george.c...@mac-access.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Apple keynote podcast



Thanks, an downloading podcast through downcast.
Found no podcasts under music ,\more tab .



George,

Sent from my iPad

On 23 Oct 2013, at 9:44 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


I don't think it's going to.  Try looking under your Music app, then go 
down to the bottom right corner of the screen, and double tap on the 
more tab. In here, look for Podcasts.  You should see it in here.


Videos is used more for your own home videos or movie/TV shows you've 
synced, video podcasts not withstanding.


Personally, I would use Downcast over trying to sync with ITunes, but 
that's just me personally.  Each is to his or her own.


Chris.


Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have 
recorded.


http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to 
follow me on Twitter.


http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
- Original Message - From: George Cham 
george.c...@mac-access.net

To: Mac-access iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:24 AM
Subject: Apple keynote podcast



I've just downloaded the apple keynote video podcast.
I've synced it to the iPad, but its not showing up in the videos app.

typed with Fleksy
reply://george.c...@mac-access.net



George,

Sent from my iPad
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AVI to DVD?

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I have an unprotected AVI file which I need to burn onto a DVD.  I have the 
blank media to do it, I just need to know how to go about this task.  I do 
have IMovie, and I also have DVD Remaster.  Can someone please give me a 
little hand?


Chris.


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Re: AVI to DVD?

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
One thing I perhaps didn't make clear in my initial post:  I definitely know 
how to just take the raw AVI and copy it to the DVD through finder and burn 
the file itself to DVD.  That's not what I'm trying to do.  I literally 
wanna take that AVI file and burn it to a DVD which would play in a standard 
DVD player hooked up to my HD TV.


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- Original Message - 
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To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:56 PM
Subject: AVI to DVD?


I have an unprotected AVI file which I need to burn onto a DVD.  I have the 
blank media to do it, I just need to know how to go about this task.  I do 
have IMovie, and I also have DVD Remaster.  Can someone please give me a 
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Geoff Stephens
I cannot duplicate any use at all for Option Up or Down Arrow in the message 
list. What am I missing? Is this only in classic view?  I have not checked 
there.

On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:

Bryan,

That's great news.  Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean that 
you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your entire 
mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the Option+Up or 
Down arrow key for a short time.

And is it also worth mentioning that there are new Take Control series eBooks 
for Upgrading to Mavericks, and for using iBooks, although I haven't seen the 
contents yet?  These should be eligible for purchase using the discount that is 
available to mac-access list subscribers.

To remind list members, there is information about this at:
http://www.mac-access.net/Take-Control.html

Note that the titles I mentioned are very recently announced additions that are 
not yet listed in the local accessible version of the Take Control catalog.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 22, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

 Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability 
 to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in 
 Mavericks’ Mail.app
 
 ;-)
 
 -Bryan
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Re: Important info for Gmail users to read before updating to Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Sarah Alawami
In reading the article, I can just check the all mailbox under Gmail settings. 
Unfortunately, it will have to reindex my mail folders. That's okay.

 On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:10, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
  Hello All,
 
 If you use Gmail, please read this recent TidBITS article before you update 
 to Mavericks. There are settings you may have used for IMAP clients to avoid 
 duplicate messages that now break other things in Mail under Mavericks:
 • Mail in Mavericks Changes the Gmail Equation by Joe Kissell
 http://tidbits.com/article/14219
 
 There are additional general comments about Mail's performance in Mavericks 
 that makes this worth reading for general users, too.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
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Re: Authentication has no window When Installing an app

2013-10-23 Thread Randy Stegall
Try VO f1 twice to bring up the application chooser. You should hear, “system 
dialogue” or something similar. Select that option and VO space. Sometimes the 
os doesn’t let VO know that a window is opened. Hope this helps.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Yes. Command-tabbing tells me the name of other windows, but nothing else. 
 Releasing the command button makes nothing happen and windows do not switch.
 On 10/23/2013 10:36 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
 Hi,
 Have yout ried command-tab, or other keystrokes?
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Well, at this point, Voiceover gets stuck and keeps saying No windows 
 when I press VO + f2, whether I press it once or twice.
 
 Thanks.
 On 10/23/2013 7:24 PM, wayne17a wrote:
Hello try vo and press f2 twice to open the window choser and see if
 that windows is there hope this helps
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:58 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Authentication has no window When Installing an app
 
 Hi all,
 
 When I wanted to install Proxifier (using its .pkg installation package), 
 at
 the very end, OSX would ask me for a password. If I tried to navigate in
 this window or waited too much, I would hear Authentication busy. If i
 would alt-tab away and back, I would hear Authentication has no window.
 
 How can I fix this issue with having no window? The only way I found the
 last time was to restart my system, as Voiceover didn't recognize other
 windows and nothing worked. Even when I left-clicked, Voiceover would say
 Apple menu, but when I would press any of the arrow keys, I would just
 hear the voice effect of hitting a boundary.
 
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Bryan Jones
Hi Jeff — This works for me as described in both classic  standard views. 
Option+up or down arrow moves to top or bottom row of current column in current 
message list.

I am running a pre-release version of Mavericks, so there’s a chance the folks 
at Apple removed this ability in the public release.

Do you get any type of response when pressing Option+up or down? Does it make 
an error sound? Does it move one row?

-Bryan

On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Geoff Stephens geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
I cannot duplicate any use at all for Option Up or Down Arrow in the message 
list. What am I missing? Is this only in classic view?  I have not checked 
there.

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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I also can confirm in the official release that this doesn't seem to be 
working.  I tried both with classic view on and also with it off.


I get no response.  Complete zilch.

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- Original Message - 
From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit


Hi Jeff — This works for me as described in both classic  standard views. 
Option+up or down arrow moves to top or bottom row of current column in 
current message list.


I am running a pre-release version of Mavericks, so there’s a chance the 
folks at Apple removed this ability in the public release.


Do you get any type of response when pressing Option+up or down? Does it 
make an error sound? Does it move one row?


-Bryan

On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Geoff Stephens geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
I cannot duplicate any use at all for Option Up or Down Arrow in the 
message list. What am I missing? Is this only in classic view?  I have not 
checked there.


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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Zachary Kline
Seems a strange bug to creep i, and even stranger to be removed. Ahw ell, I 
just use VO commands.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 8:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 I also can confirm in the official release that this doesn't seem to be 
 working.  I tried both with classic view on and also with it off.
 
 I get no response.  Complete zilch.
 
 Chris.
 
 
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 - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:21 PM
 Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
 
 
 Hi Jeff — This works for me as described in both classic  standard views. 
 Option+up or down arrow moves to top or bottom row of current column in 
 current message list.
 
 I am running a pre-release version of Mavericks, so there’s a chance the 
 folks at Apple removed this ability in the public release.
 
 Do you get any type of response when pressing Option+up or down? Does it 
 make an error sound? Does it move one row?
 
 -Bryan
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Geoff Stephens geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 I cannot duplicate any use at all for Option Up or Down Arrow in the message 
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Re: Authentication has no window When Installing an app

2013-10-23 Thread Bryan Jones
Hi Parham,

I downloaded Proxifier version 2.11.2, which seems to be the latest MacOS 
release and is dated October of last year. When I tried to install it, the 
Proxifier install went into a non-responsive state and VO started in with the 
“busy” messages. I tried some of the usual troubleshooting tips including some 
of the ones other folks have mentioned, but was not able to get past this 
problem. Eventually I pressed Command+Option+Escape to bring up the Force Quit 
dialog, and Proxifier was listed as not responding so I forced it to quit.

I also took a quick look through Proxifier’s support site but didn’t find an 
obvious solution. You might want to try submitting a ticket, which can be done 
from their support site at http://www.proxifier.com/support.htm

Hopefully this is just a case of a troublesome installer. If you do find a 
solution, please let us know about it.

Cheers,
Bryan


On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:
 When I wanted to install Proxifier (using its .pkg installation package), at 
 the very end, OSX would ask me for a password. If I tried to navigate in this 
 window or waited too much, I would hear Authentication busy. If i would 
 alt-tab away and back, I would hear Authentication has no window.

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Email accounts

2013-10-23 Thread George Cham
I have 2 email accounts , and I'm subscribed to a few lists with the mac-access 
account.
My Problem   is this   when I create a rule with the mac-access account 
selected in the rule actions , the messages are not going into the mac-access 
mailbox .
 
George Cham,

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Re: Important info for Gmail users to read before updating to Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Ian McNamara
Well, just as I was thinking of doing the upgrade I read this and i'm now put 
off all over again. I've got loads of messages in gmail and don't really want 
to have them download all of them again. I may just stay with mountain lyon as 
I am as I don't think I want this problem.

Ian McNamara
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