Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from command f 5?

2013-11-18 Thread trevor
I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro and 
I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can’t get voice over working with 
command f 5.
This isn’t a problem on the IMac, so I can’t understand why it shouldn’t work 
on the macbook pro.

Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?

Thank you,

Trevor
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Re: VO+shift+d not working in Mavericks - Why?

2013-11-18 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Yup this one confirmed, and already bug-reported.

Dónal
On 18 Nov 2013, at 07:55, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've noticed this as well. Looks like a bug apple needs to fix.  Let's hope 
 they can soon.
 
 Tc.  
 
 On Nov 17, 2013, at 22:48, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Since I’ve switched to Mavericks, I haven’t been able to use the “jgoto 
 desktop” hotkey which is VO+shift+D. Has anyone else experienced this, and 
 is there a workaround (aside from command-tabbing to Finder)?
 
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Re: mavericks: finder fails to refresh.

2013-11-18 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Good shout James.  Interestingly, when I reboot the machine the file/folder is 
there.  I tried deleting the various plist files as well but no joy.

Dónal
On 18 Nov 2013, at 00:30, JAMES AUSTIN james.aus...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi Donal
 On 17 Nov 2013, at 18:14, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:
 Interesting.  Neither with the arrow keys on their own, or VO-Arrow keys, 
 the folder doesn’t show up.
 
 A long shot, but could the extracted folder have somehow become hidden? Does 
 it appear in Terminal if ls is used?
 
 Take care
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Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from command f 5?

2013-11-18 Thread Chris H
Ar. Try command fn f5. Without this the f5 key invokes the keyboard 
backlight hence the command unlikely to work.


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On 18/11/2013 09:29, trevor wrote:

 I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro and 
I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can’t get voice over working with 
command f 5.
This isn’t a problem on the IMac, so I can’t understand why it shouldn’t work 
on the macbook pro.

Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?

Thank you,

Trevor
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RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from command f 5?

2013-11-18 Thread David Griffith
Have you tried Function Command F5? It may be that your ~function keys in 
recovery are set to hardware.

David Griffith

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Sent: 18 November 2013 09:30
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from command f 5?

I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro and 
I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can’t get voice over working with 
command f 5.
This isn’t a problem on the IMac, so I can’t understand why it shouldn’t work 
on the macbook pro.

Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?

Thank you,

Trevor
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Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart fromcommand f 5?

2013-11-18 Thread trevor

Thanks David and Chris,
I tried that and still no luck.
I think the only thing I can do is to get someone with sight to take a look.

Thanks again,

Trevor
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From: David Griffith

Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:25 AM
To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart 
fromcommand f 5?


Have you tried Function Command F5? It may be that your ~function keys in 
recovery are set to hardware.


David Griffith

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Sent: 18 November 2013 09:30
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from command 
f 5?


   I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro 
and I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can’t get voice over working with 
command f 5.
This isn’t a problem on the IMac, so I can’t understand why it shouldn’t 
work on the macbook pro.


Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?

Thank you,

Trevor
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Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart fromcommand f 5?

2013-11-18 Thread Josh Gregory
If you've done what I think you done, this might not be good, did you 
completely erase the hard drive? If you did you're going to need a bootable 
flash drive with the lion installer. If you don't have that, you're going to 
need a cat five cable to connect to your ethernet so you can completely 
re-download the operating system. If you don't have that, you're going to have 
to go to the Apple Store, it's a nightmare but is the only other solution. If 
you have a backup, you're good. But if not, you're going to be out of luck. I 
don't mean to make you panic here, but I know I've done this before with the 
same results that you might be having.

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 On Nov 18, 2013, at 6:25 AM, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote:
 
 Thanks David and Chris,
 I tried that and still no luck.
 I think the only thing I can do is to get someone with sight to take a look.
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Trevor
 -Original Message- From: David Griffith
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:25 AM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart 
 fromcommand f 5?
 
 Have you tried Function Command F5? It may be that your ~function keys in 
 recovery are set to hardware.
 
 David Griffith
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of trevor
 Sent: 18 November 2013 09:30
 To: mac-access@mac-access.net
 Subject: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from command f 
 5?
 
   I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro and 
 I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
 When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can’t get voice over working with 
 command f 5.
 This isn’t a problem on the IMac, so I can’t understand why it shouldn’t work 
 on the macbook pro.
 
 Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Trevor
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Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart fromcommandf 5?

2013-11-18 Thread trevor

Thanks Andy,
I got someone who could see to have a look and when I pressed command r, it 
didn't open up in recovery as you would expect.
Firstly, I had to choose what network I wanted to use and then, it opened up 
in recovery and from then I had no problem turning voice over on with 
command f 5.


Thanks again for your help,

Trevor

-Original Message- 
From: Andy Collins

Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 12:07 PM
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart 
fromcommandf 5?


Just one other thought then. I find sometimes I have to do repeated presses 
of Command f 5, to sort of give VO a kick up the … -


Andy
On 18 Nov 2013, at 11:25, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote:


Thanks David and Chris,
I tried that and still no luck.
I think the only thing I can do is to get someone with sight to take a 
look.


Thanks again,

Trevor
-Original Message- From: David Griffith
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:25 AM
To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart 
fromcommand f 5?


Have you tried Function Command F5? It may be that your ~function keys in 
recovery are set to hardware.


David Griffith

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of trevor

Sent: 18 November 2013 09:30
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from 
command f 5?


  I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro 
and I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can’t get voice over working 
with command f 5.
This isn’t a problem on the IMac, so I can’t understand why it shouldn’t 
work on the macbook pro.


Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?

Thank you,

Trevor
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Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart fromcommandf 5?

2013-11-18 Thread trevor

Hi Josh,
I did completely erase the hard drive but, once I chose the network I had no 
problem reinstalling lion, in fact, it is loading on as I write.


Thanks for  your help,

Trevor


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Gregory

Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 11:56 AM
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart 
fromcommandf 5?


If you've done what I think you done, this might not be good, did you 
completely erase the hard drive? If you did you're going to need a bootable 
flash drive with the lion installer. If you don't have that, you're going to 
need a cat five cable to connect to your ethernet so you can completely 
re-download the operating system. If you don't have that, you're going to 
have to go to the Apple Store, it's a nightmare but is the only other 
solution. If you have a backup, you're good. But if not, you're going to be 
out of luck. I don't mean to make you panic here, but I know I've done this 
before with the same results that you might be having.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2013, at 6:25 AM, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com 
wrote:


Thanks David and Chris,
I tried that and still no luck.
I think the only thing I can do is to get someone with sight to take a 
look.


Thanks again,

Trevor
-Original Message- From: David Griffith
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:25 AM
To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart 
fromcommand f 5?


Have you tried Function Command F5? It may be that your ~function keys in 
recovery are set to hardware.


David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of trevor

Sent: 18 November 2013 09:30
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from 
command f 5?


  I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro 
and I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can’t get voice over working 
with command f 5.
This isn’t a problem on the IMac, so I can’t understand why it shouldn’t 
work on the macbook pro.


Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?

Thank you,

Trevor
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Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart fromcommandf 5?

2013-11-18 Thread Josh Gregory
Okay, then Internet recovery is your friend here. For next time, if you don't 
want to have to go through that, create a bootable USB drive if you can find a 
way to do so. Not sure how you would do it for lion, as I don't think the 
installer and other needed necessities are available on the App Store. The only 
operating system this works for in a modern sense is Mavericks.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 18, 2013, at 7:17 AM, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote:
 
 Hi Josh,
 I did completely erase the hard drive but, once I chose the network I had no 
 problem reinstalling lion, in fact, it is loading on as I write.
 
 Thanks for  your help,
 
 Trevor
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Josh Gregory
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 11:56 AM
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart 
 fromcommandf 5?
 
 If you've done what I think you done, this might not be good, did you 
 completely erase the hard drive? If you did you're going to need a bootable 
 flash drive with the lion installer. If you don't have that, you're going to 
 need a cat five cable to connect to your ethernet so you can completely 
 re-download the operating system. If you don't have that, you're going to 
 have to go to the Apple Store, it's a nightmare but is the only other 
 solution. If you have a backup, you're good. But if not, you're going to be 
 out of luck. I don't mean to make you panic here, but I know I've done this 
 before with the same results that you might be having.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 18, 2013, at 6:25 AM, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote:
 
 Thanks David and Chris,
 I tried that and still no luck.
 I think the only thing I can do is to get someone with sight to take a look.
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Trevor
 -Original Message- From: David Griffith
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:25 AM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart 
 fromcommand f 5?
 
 Have you tried Function Command F5? It may be that your ~function keys in 
 recovery are set to hardware.
 
 David Griffith
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of trevor
 Sent: 18 November 2013 09:30
 To: mac-access@mac-access.net
 Subject: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from command 
 f 5?
 
  I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro and 
 I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
 When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can’t get voice over working with 
 command f 5.
 This isn’t a problem on the IMac, so I can’t understand why it shouldn’t 
 work on the macbook pro.
 
 Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Trevor
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RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart fromcommand f 5?

2013-11-18 Thread David Griffith
Agree, also make sure that your volume is not turned down on the keyboard.
Not sure if this is the same as on the iMac but volume can be controlled and
indeed muted from the keyboard.

David Griffith

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
Sent: 18 November 2013 12:08
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart
fromcommand f 5?

Just one other thought then. I find sometimes I have to do repeated presses
of Command f 5, to sort of give VO a kick up the . -

Andy
On 18 Nov 2013, at 11:25, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote:

 Thanks David and Chris,
 I tried that and still no luck.
 I think the only thing I can do is to get someone with sight to take a
look.
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Trevor
 -Original Message- From: David Griffith
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:25 AM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart
fromcommand f 5?
 
 Have you tried Function Command F5? It may be that your ~function keys in
recovery are set to hardware.
 
 David Griffith
 
 -Original Message-
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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of trevor
 Sent: 18 November 2013 09:30
 To: mac-access@mac-access.net
 Subject: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from
command f 5?
 
   I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro
and I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
 When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can't get voice over working
with command f 5.
 This isn't a problem on the IMac, so I can't understand why it shouldn't
work on the macbook pro.
 
 Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Trevor
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Re: VO+shift+d not working in Mavericks - Why?

2013-11-18 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Ah I’ll report it  anyway, if they do flag it as a dupe that will be a good 
thing. and if it is my own dupe, then, for shame. lol!

Take care.
On Nov 18, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie 
wrote:

 Yup this one confirmed, and already bug-reported.
 
 Dónal
 On 18 Nov 2013, at 07:55, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've noticed this as well. Looks like a bug apple needs to fix.  Let's hope 
 they can soon.
 
 Tc.  
 
 On Nov 17, 2013, at 22:48, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Since I’ve switched to Mavericks, I haven’t been able to use the “jgoto 
 desktop” hotkey which is VO+shift+D. Has anyone else experienced this, and 
 is there a workaround (aside from command-tabbing to Finder)?
 
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Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart fromcommand f 5?

2013-11-18 Thread Sarah k Alawami
IN recovery mode you cannot unless you use the vo keys turn the volume up and 
down, at least I’ve found this to be the case when I’ve had a play with it. 
Maybe my numb brain is missing something but glad you got it working.

Take care.
On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:30 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Agree, also make sure that your volume is not turned down on the keyboard.
 Not sure if this is the same as on the iMac but volume can be controlled and
 indeed muted from the keyboard.
 
 David Griffith
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
 Sent: 18 November 2013 12:08
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart
 fromcommand f 5?
 
 Just one other thought then. I find sometimes I have to do repeated presses
 of Command f 5, to sort of give VO a kick up the . -
 
 Andy
 On 18 Nov 2013, at 11:25, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote:
 
 Thanks David and Chris,
 I tried that and still no luck.
 I think the only thing I can do is to get someone with sight to take a
 look.
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Trevor
 -Original Message- From: David Griffith
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:25 AM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart
 fromcommand f 5?
 
 Have you tried Function Command F5? It may be that your ~function keys in
 recovery are set to hardware.
 
 David Griffith
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of trevor
 Sent: 18 November 2013 09:30
 To: mac-access@mac-access.net
 Subject: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from
 command f 5?
 
  I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro
 and I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
 When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can't get voice over working
 with command f 5.
 This isn't a problem on the IMac, so I can't understand why it shouldn't
 work on the macbook pro.
 
 Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Trevor
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pairing a bluetooth keyboard

2013-11-18 Thread Shaun Oliver
Hi all,

I’ve been trying to pair an apple bluetooth keyboard to my mbp for the last 
couple of days.

When I get the pairing request dialog, it says enter the following code.
I go to review the code and I have consecutive numbers from 1 to 8.
I enter in what I believe to be the code which are the afforementioned numbers, 
and the pairing request fails every time.
has anyone else had this issue under maverics?

I just cannot get the thing to pair, no matter what I do.
any help would be greatly appreciated.

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pairing a bluetooth keyboard

2013-11-18 Thread Terry Clasper
Hi all,

I’ve been trying to pair an apple bluetooth keyboard to my mbp for the last 
couple of days.

When I get the pairing request dialog, it says enter the following code.
I go to review the code and I have consecutive numbers from 1 to 8.
I enter in what I believe to be the code which are the afforementioned numbers, 
and the pairing request fails every time.
has anyone else had this issue under maverics?

I just cannot get the thing to pair, no matter what I do.
any help would be greatly appreciated.

Shaun Oliver
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Re: pairing a bluetooth keyboard

2013-11-18 Thread Chris H

This is a bug with VoiceOver under Maverix.

E-mail Facebook and iMessage
christopher...@gmail.com

On 18/11/2013 16:06, Terry Clasper wrote:

Hi all,

I’ve been trying to pair an apple bluetooth keyboard to my mbp for the last 
couple of days.

When I get the pairing request dialog, it says enter the following code.
I go to review the code and I have consecutive numbers from 1 to 8.
I enter in what I believe to be the code which are the afforementioned numbers, 
and the pairing request fails every time.
has anyone else had this issue under maverics?

I just cannot get the thing to pair, no matter what I do.
any help would be greatly appreciated.

Shaun Oliver
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Mobile: +61414328221
Skype: brailledude
Twitter: blindman75

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RE: pairing a Bluetooth keyboard

2013-11-18 Thread David Griffith
I remember that when I paired a Bluetooth keyboard under Lion I eventually
had to get sighted help as the time out on the Mac Keyboard utility was so
short that by the time I had navigated voiceover from the pair button to the
part of the screen where I could read out the numbers I was due to enter I
could not get them in in time. This may or may not be your issue.

David Griffith

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Terry Clasper
Sent: 18 November 2013 16:06
To: Mac Access
Subject: pairing a bluetooth keyboard

Hi all,

I've been trying to pair an apple bluetooth keyboard to my mbp for the last
couple of days.

When I get the pairing request dialog, it says enter the following code.
I go to review the code and I have consecutive numbers from 1 to 8.
I enter in what I believe to be the code which are the afforementioned
numbers, and the pairing request fails every time.
has anyone else had this issue under maverics?

I just cannot get the thing to pair, no matter what I do.
any help would be greatly appreciated.

Shaun Oliver
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Mobile: +61414328221
Skype: brailledude
Twitter: blindman75

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Copying A link To The Clipboard From Mail On An IOS Device

2013-11-18 Thread Dane Trethowan


Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
Subject line says it all I guess.

I'm wanting to copy a link in an eMail I've received to the clipboard from Mail 
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RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart fromcommandf 5?

2013-11-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sarah, can you be a little more specific, as this is something I've really
wondered.  Are you saying that volume in recovery can go up if you use your
command+Vo+left and right arrow to get to volume in your rotor, then go to
command+vo+up and down to ajust it?  Yeah, I found that in recovery, it's
very very low, and frankly, I think Fred is way too soft anyway, which is a
shame, as I love! the Fred voice.  Some don't, but I personally prefer him
in some rare cases over Alex.  It's just that I can't use him, as he's too
quiet for my taste.

Anyway...

chris.
 

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 9:45 AM
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart
fromcommandf 5?

IN recovery mode you cannot unless you use the vo keys turn the volume up
and down, at least I've found this to be the case when I've had a play with
it. Maybe my numb brain is missing something but glad you got it working.

Take care.
On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:30 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com
wrote:

 Agree, also make sure that your volume is not turned down on the keyboard.
 Not sure if this is the same as on the iMac but volume can be controlled
and
 indeed muted from the keyboard.
 
 David Griffith
 
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 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
 Sent: 18 November 2013 12:08
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart
 fromcommand f 5?
 
 Just one other thought then. I find sometimes I have to do repeated
presses
 of Command f 5, to sort of give VO a kick up the . -
 
 Andy
 On 18 Nov 2013, at 11:25, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote:
 
 Thanks David and Chris,
 I tried that and still no luck.
 I think the only thing I can do is to get someone with sight to take a
 look.
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Trevor
 -Original Message- From: David Griffith
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:25 AM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart
 fromcommand f 5?
 
 Have you tried Function Command F5? It may be that your ~function keys in
 recovery are set to hardware.
 
 David Griffith
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of trevor
 Sent: 18 November 2013 09:30
 To: mac-access@mac-access.net
 Subject: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from
 command f 5?
 
  I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro
 and I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
 When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can't get voice over working
 with command f 5.
 This isn't a problem on the IMac, so I can't understand why it shouldn't
 work on the macbook pro.
 
 Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Trevor
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Re: Copying A link To The Clipboard From Mail On An IOS Device

2013-11-18 Thread matthew stubbs
this  is  really  easy you  the  3 finger tap 4 times quickly after vo reads 
the link

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Re: Copying A link To The Clipboard From Mail On An IOS Device

2013-11-18 Thread isaac

Are you doing this from the iPhone or mac?

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Subject: Copying A link To The Clipboard From Mail On An IOS Device



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I'm wanting to copy a link in an eMail I've received to the clipboard from 
Mail does anyone have any ideas?


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Re: Copying A link To The Clipboard From Mail On An IOS Device

2013-11-18 Thread Dane Trethowan


Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862


 On 19 Nov 2013, at 5:19 am, matthew stubbs manga.m...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 this  is  really  easy you  the  3 finger tap 4 times quickly after vo reads 
 the link
 
 On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:05, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 
 
 Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
 Subject line says it all I guess.
 
 I'm wanting to copy a link in an eMail I've received to the clipboard from 
 Mail does anyone have any ideas?
 
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 Yep very easy and I admit to not thinking of yusing the copy to pasteboard 
 feature so thanks.

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Re: Copying A link To The Clipboard From Mail On An IOS Device

2013-11-18 Thread matthew stubbs
i know.  I  use  it   so  much  its  so handy to be able to do.
On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:29, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 
 
 Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
 
 
 On 19 Nov 2013, at 5:19 am, matthew stubbs manga.m...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 this  is  really  easy you  the  3 finger tap 4 times quickly after vo reads 
 the link
 
 On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:05, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 
 
 Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
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Handy Features Of Voiceover And iPhone Was Copying Links From Mail To Clipboard

2013-11-18 Thread Dane Trethowan
Another handy feature I found once was the item chooser but can't remember how 
the hell that's activated so perhaps someone could remind me.

On 19 Nov 2013, at 5:34 am, matthew stubbs manga.m...@btinternet.com wrote:

 i know.  I  use  it   so  much  its  so handy to be able to do.
 On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:29, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 
 
 Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
 
 
 On 19 Nov 2013, at 5:19 am, matthew stubbs manga.m...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 this  is  really  easy you  the  3 finger tap 4 times quickly after vo 
 reads the link
 
 On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:05, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 
 
 Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
 Subject line says it all I guess.
 
 I'm wanting to copy a link in an eMail I've received to the clipboard from 
 Mail does anyone have any ideas?
 
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Re: Copying A link To The Clipboard From Mail On An IOS Device

2013-11-18 Thread Dane Trethowan
Doing this from Mail on the iPhone.

On 19 Nov 2013, at 5:14 am, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are you doing this from the iPhone or mac?
 
 -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 12:05 PM
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Copying A link To The Clipboard From Mail On An IOS Device
 
 
 
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Re: Handy Features Of Voiceover And iPhone Was Copying Links From Mail To Clipboard

2013-11-18 Thread matthew stubbs
triple tap with two finger’s  I think it is
On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:36, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 Another handy feature I found once was the item chooser but can't remember 
 how the hell that's activated so perhaps someone could remind me.
 
 On 19 Nov 2013, at 5:34 am, matthew stubbs manga.m...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 i know.  I  use  it   so  much  its  so handy to be able to do.
 On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:29, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 
 
 Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
 
 
 On 19 Nov 2013, at 5:19 am, matthew stubbs manga.m...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 this  is  really  easy you  the  3 finger tap 4 times quickly after vo 
 reads the link
 
 On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:05, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 
 
 Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862
 Subject line says it all I guess.
 
 I'm wanting to copy a link in an eMail I've received to the clipboard 
 from Mail does anyone have any ideas?
 
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Doing a word count in Text Edit

2013-11-18 Thread Andy Collins
hi all -

I've looked at the menus, including the context menues, but can't see a way to 
discover how many words I've written in a document. Can this be done? -

Andy
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Adding titles to music tracks on Mac OS

2013-11-18 Thread Paul Hopewell
Hello, 
I am running the latest version of Mavericks on my iMac. 

I have several albums in my iTunes music library with a known artist but 
unknown song titles, mostly classical piano pieces. 

I recall reading somewhere that there is a service whereby you can submit and 
unknown track which the service compares with its extensive music library and 
with luck works out the correct title for the track. 

Does anyone know of such a service?

Many thanks. 

Paul HopewellP
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Re: Somewhat advanced question about server management

2013-11-18 Thread Travis Siegel
Standard functionality of ftp servers is to not allow users to go  
beyond the root file system that is configured when they log in.
If you set the root of the ftp hiearchy to /users/ftp, then nobody  
logged in as an ftp user will be able to go to your /users folder.   
This is common practice.
If you want users to have access to multiple folders, but not  
everything, you'll need to setup groups, and set group permissions to  
allow reading only by users in those groups.
If you need assistance figuring out the permissions system, drop a  
line off list, and I'll help out.


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Re: Sinking issues to a 5S am I alone? any tips?

2013-11-18 Thread Travis Siegel
Don't feel bad.  I can't get my 4s to download my ringtones either.   
Everything is checked in the right places, but still, no ringtones on  
the phone.  I figure it'll get sorted eventually (or it won't), but  
either way, it's not worth it to me to reset the phone just to get  
some ringtones onto the phone.  I'll just suck it up and deal.
If you figure this one out though, I'd be interested to hear what the  
solution is/was.

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Re: Doing a word count in Text Edit

2013-11-18 Thread Travis Siegel

Yep, sure can.
Use an apple script.
I've got some posted on my softcon mac pages at
http://www.softcon.com/mac/
There's scripts there for word count, line count and (I think)  
paragraph counts too).

hth.

Ok, strike that.  I went to look, and the scripts are missing. (sorry  
about that) I'll put them back asap.

But, the script you want is this one.

** cut here**
tell application TextEdit
count words of document 1
end tell

** cut here **
Simply paste this text into the apple script editor, and click run.   
That'll take the front document in text edit, and print out a word  
count for you in the output section of the script editor.  The one I  
had on softcon used a dialog to give the information, so it was  
slightly more user friendly, but since it's missing, I guess it  
doesn't really matter how user friendly it was now does it. :)

I'll get that fixed.

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Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart fromcommandf 5?

2013-11-18 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Yeah. I did a tutorial on this months ago on my paid series but in a nut shell 
just vo cmd to volume and press up arrow until you hear volume 100 percent, 
then press it maybe thrise more. This is also true in the regular system as 
well.

Tc.
On Nov 18, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 Sarah, can you be a little more specific, as this is something I've really
 wondered.  Are you saying that volume in recovery can go up if you use your
 command+Vo+left and right arrow to get to volume in your rotor, then go to
 command+vo+up and down to ajust it?  Yeah, I found that in recovery, it's
 very very low, and frankly, I think Fred is way too soft anyway, which is a
 shame, as I love! the Fred voice.  Some don't, but I personally prefer him
 in some rare cases over Alex.  It's just that I can't use him, as he's too
 quiet for my taste.
 
 Anyway...
 
 chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 9:45 AM
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart
 fromcommandf 5?
 
 IN recovery mode you cannot unless you use the vo keys turn the volume up
 and down, at least I've found this to be the case when I've had a play with
 it. Maybe my numb brain is missing something but glad you got it working.
 
 Take care.
 On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:30 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com
 wrote:
 
 Agree, also make sure that your volume is not turned down on the keyboard.
 Not sure if this is the same as on the iMac but volume can be controlled
 and
 indeed muted from the keyboard.
 
 David Griffith
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
 Sent: 18 November 2013 12:08
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart
 fromcommand f 5?
 
 Just one other thought then. I find sometimes I have to do repeated
 presses
 of Command f 5, to sort of give VO a kick up the . -
 
 Andy
 On 18 Nov 2013, at 11:25, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote:
 
 Thanks David and Chris,
 I tried that and still no luck.
 I think the only thing I can do is to get someone with sight to take a
 look.
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Trevor
 -Original Message- From: David Griffith
 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:25 AM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart
 fromcommand f 5?
 
 Have you tried Function Command F5? It may be that your ~function keys in
 recovery are set to hardware.
 
 David Griffith
 
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 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of trevor
 Sent: 18 November 2013 09:30
 To: mac-access@mac-access.net
 Subject: Is there any other way of turning voice over on apart from
 command f 5?
 
 I am having a few problems with maverick on my 15 inch macbook pro
 and I have uninstalled it and want to reinstall lion.
 When I restart the macbook in recovery, I can't get voice over working
 with command f 5.
 This isn't a problem on the IMac, so I can't understand why it shouldn't
 work on the macbook pro.
 
 Does anyone know of any other way of starting voice over please?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Trevor
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applescript code to count words in text edit

2013-11-18 Thread Travis Siegel
Well, Since I wrote the last reply, I've fixed the issue with the file  
not found error.  But then I decided the script was worse than junk,  
and rewrote the whole thing.  Now it counts words, lines and  
paragraphs, as well as presents the results in a nice dialog box with  
the name of the document so you know for sure which file is being  
counted.  I'm not sure it's word counts are all that accurate, as it  
told me on one of my documents that I had only 605 words, but over  
2700 lines, and 94000 characters in the document, so clearly, the word  
count was off, but It could have been an issue with the formatting of  
the document, since it was a converted html document.
So, there it is.  I'd wager it could be used with other editors too,  
if they support scripting, but I've not tested any, so can't say for  
sure.

hope this helps.
You can find the wordcount script at:
http://mac.softcon.com/scripts/Index.html
along with all of the other apple scripts I've posted there in the past.
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Re: applescript code to count words in text edit

2013-11-18 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I use Itext express and hit cmd y as it comes with  a counter nd is very very 
accurate right down to the white space.  It has helped me write a 8 page paper 
due the next day, and even though I will never do that again, at least it saved 
my bacon. lol!

Take care.
On Nov 18, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:

 Well, Since I wrote the last reply, I've fixed the issue with the file not 
 found error.  But then I decided the script was worse than junk, and rewrote 
 the whole thing.  Now it counts words, lines and paragraphs, as well as 
 presents the results in a nice dialog box with the name of the document so 
 you know for sure which file is being counted.  I'm not sure it's word counts 
 are all that accurate, as it told me on one of my documents that I had only 
 605 words, but over 2700 lines, and 94000 characters in the document, so 
 clearly, the word count was off, but It could have been an issue with the 
 formatting of the document, since it was a converted html document.
 So, there it is.  I'd wager it could be used with other editors too, if they 
 support scripting, but I've not tested any, so can't say for sure.
 hope this helps.
 You can find the wordcount script at:
 http://mac.softcon.com/scripts/Index.html
 along with all of the other apple scripts I've posted there in the past.
 Enjoy.
 
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Reporting issues, was: VO+shift+d not working in Mavericks - Why?

2013-11-18 Thread Parham Doustdar
Hi,

I have seen this discussion about reporting issues coming up now and again.

Is there an interface for reporting issues, or do I have to—after checking with 
everyone here that what I am experiencing is indeed an issue—email it to 
accessibil...@apple.com?

Thanks.
On Nov 18, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah I’ll report it  anyway, if they do flag it as a dupe that will be a good 
 thing. and if it is my own dupe, then, for shame. lol!
 
 Take care.
 On Nov 18, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie 
 wrote:
 
 Yup this one confirmed, and already bug-reported.
 
 Dónal
 On 18 Nov 2013, at 07:55, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've noticed this as well. Looks like a bug apple needs to fix.  Let's hope 
 they can soon.
 
 Tc.  
 
 On Nov 17, 2013, at 22:48, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Since I’ve switched to Mavericks, I haven’t been able to use the “jgoto 
 desktop” hotkey which is VO+shift+D. Has anyone else experienced this, and 
 is there a workaround (aside from command-tabbing to Finder)?
 
 Thanks.
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Re: pairing a Bluetooth keyboard

2013-11-18 Thread Shaun Oliver

someone pointed out that it's a bug with the current vo and maveriks
On 19/11/2013 12:49, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Lol. I must have fast fingers as I used to be able to pair a keyboard with no 
troubles  at all. but yeah goodf luck and hope you can type in the code, just 
navigate very fast.
On Nov 18, 2013, at 9:40 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote:


I remember that when I paired a Bluetooth keyboard under Lion I eventually
had to get sighted help as the time out on the Mac Keyboard utility was so
short that by the time I had navigated voiceover from the pair button to the
part of the screen where I could read out the numbers I was due to enter I
could not get them in in time. This may or may not be your issue.

David Griffith

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
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Sent: 18 November 2013 16:06
To: Mac Access
Subject: pairing a bluetooth keyboard

Hi all,

I've been trying to pair an apple bluetooth keyboard to my mbp for the last
couple of days.

When I get the pairing request dialog, it says enter the following code.
I go to review the code and I have consecutive numbers from 1 to 8.
I enter in what I believe to be the code which are the afforementioned
numbers, and the pairing request fails every time.
has anyone else had this issue under maverics?

I just cannot get the thing to pair, no matter what I do.
any help would be greatly appreciated.

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