Re: Drag and drop was Re: Vienna

[Sarah k Alawami]

I think there is a focus issue as I've been trying to alphabetize my feeds 
again aster adding new ones. it was easier in osx mountain lion as focus was 
never lost, how ever it has become nearly impossible to do this under the 
current build of mavericks. I hope apple can take a look at this as I'd love to 
have the same access to drag and drop that a sighted person would have.

Take care.
On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Geoff Stephens  wrote:

> Catherine,
> When I get the chance later, I’ll experiment with it to try to give you some 
> suggestions for how to get things just right with regard to the order of 
> folders/feeds in Vienna.
> 
> For now, let me just say that your confusion about the enclosed items will be 
> eliminated when you understand that VO is not saying “two items and closed.”  
> It is saying “two items enclosed.”  Maybe that will help a little.  Still, it 
> is a little tricky to get things
> exactly right with regard to the order of things in Vienna.  Admittedly, I 
> have not been overly concerned about it but to get things into folders.
> 
> On Apr 6, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Catherine Turner 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I wonder if anyone can help me be more successful at drag and drop.
> I've been trying to create folders and put them in the order I want
> and at the level I want in Vienna but this probably applies to other
> situations too.
> 
> I never seem to be able to get the folders where I want them.  Quite
> often folders I want at the same level as other folders end up inside
> them instead.  i.e. I want all the folders to be at level 0 but often
> when I drag a folder it ends up at level 1 inside another folder.  I
> wonder whether the disclosure triangle has anything to do with this
> and I have always been confused by the disclosure triangle.  I also
> wonder whether the use of quick nav affects how it works.  I quite
> often get confused when VO says things like "folder bla level 1
> expanded, 2 items and closed" - it seems odd to me that it can
> simultaneously say something is expanded and closed.
> 
> Anyway I wonder if anyone can help me understand how to drag and drop
> folders.  I don't know enough to know whether what I'm trying to do is
> impossible all together, impossible in Vienna or I'm simply doing the
> wrong thing.
> 
> At the moment I have a folder I created called development and another
> called food.  Food is further up the list and I want to put
> development before food.  So I have quick nav on and have interacted
> with the table.  I go to development, VO says "development edit text
> collapsed".  I mark it for drag and drop and then move back up the
> list to food.  But it seems no matter if I press drop, drop before or
> drop after I always seem to end up with the development folder inside
> food or another folder.
> 
> All I actually want to do is have all the folders at level 0 and
> arranged alphabetically.  But when I create a new folder in Vienna it
> often doesn't put it where I want which is why I got into this drag
> and drop in the first place.
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> Thanks,
> Catherine
> 
> On 4/5/14, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
>> Catherine -
>> Yes. Use drag and drop.
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Catherine Turner
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Another question.  I've created a folder and am wondering how to put
>> certain feeds into it.  I can't figure this out from the menus, help
>> or FAQs...I'm assuming it's possible.  I created a folder called
>> TechNews and want to put some of the feeds already in Vienna into that
>> folder.  Can anyone tell me if/how that's possible?
>> 
>> I tried going into the context menu and going to edit feed but this
>> just allows me to change the url.  Option clicking on it does the
>> same...
>> 
>> Perhaps I would need to drag and drop.  Or perhaps I'm
>> misunderstanding the way folders work in Vienna...  Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
>> 
>> On 4/4/14, Catherine Turner  wrote:
>>> Ah thanks, that did it.
>>> 
>>> Catherine
>>> 
>>> On 4/4/14, Devin Prater  wrote:
 Try VO shift space.
 
 Sent from my iPod
 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 19:29, Catherine Turner
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sarah,
> 
> Glad you mentioned Vienna, have downloaded it and it looks just the
> kind of thing I was after.  One question - I was looking in the
> preferences and don't seem to be able to activate any of the buttons
> other than "general" in the toolbar for the preferences.  Have you
> tried this?  Are you able to get to all of the preferences?
> 
> Catherine
> 
>> On 4/2/14, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> I personally use down cast for osx, and vienna for my rss reader. I
>> have
>> my
>> own personal reasons why I will not get QCast, but thanks for the
>> review.
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:49 AM, David Griffith
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> After purchasing QCast for my Windows machine I noticed that I was
>>> also
>>>

Re: Drag and drop was Re: Vienna

[Geoff Stephens]

Catherine,
When I get the chance later, I’ll experiment with it to try to give you some 
suggestions for how to get things just right with regard to the order of 
folders/feeds in Vienna.

For now, let me just say that your confusion about the enclosed items will be 
eliminated when you understand that VO is not saying “two items and closed.”  
It is saying “two items enclosed.”  Maybe that will help a little.  Still, it 
is a little tricky to get things
 exactly right with regard to the order of things in Vienna.  Admittedly, I 
have not been overly concerned about it but to get things into folders.

On Apr 6, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Catherine Turner 
 wrote:

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone can help me be more successful at drag and drop.
I've been trying to create folders and put them in the order I want
and at the level I want in Vienna but this probably applies to other
situations too.

I never seem to be able to get the folders where I want them.  Quite
often folders I want at the same level as other folders end up inside
them instead.  i.e. I want all the folders to be at level 0 but often
when I drag a folder it ends up at level 1 inside another folder.  I
wonder whether the disclosure triangle has anything to do with this
and I have always been confused by the disclosure triangle.  I also
wonder whether the use of quick nav affects how it works.  I quite
often get confused when VO says things like "folder bla level 1
expanded, 2 items and closed" - it seems odd to me that it can
simultaneously say something is expanded and closed.

Anyway I wonder if anyone can help me understand how to drag and drop
folders.  I don't know enough to know whether what I'm trying to do is
impossible all together, impossible in Vienna or I'm simply doing the
wrong thing.

At the moment I have a folder I created called development and another
called food.  Food is further up the list and I want to put
development before food.  So I have quick nav on and have interacted
with the table.  I go to development, VO says "development edit text
collapsed".  I mark it for drag and drop and then move back up the
list to food.  But it seems no matter if I press drop, drop before or
drop after I always seem to end up with the development folder inside
food or another folder.

All I actually want to do is have all the folders at level 0 and
arranged alphabetically.  But when I create a new folder in Vienna it
often doesn't put it where I want which is why I got into this drag
and drop in the first place.

Can anyone help?

Thanks,
Catherine

On 4/5/14, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
> Catherine -
> Yes. Use drag and drop.
> 
> On Apr 5, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Catherine Turner
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Another question.  I've created a folder and am wondering how to put
> certain feeds into it.  I can't figure this out from the menus, help
> or FAQs...I'm assuming it's possible.  I created a folder called
> TechNews and want to put some of the feeds already in Vienna into that
> folder.  Can anyone tell me if/how that's possible?
> 
> I tried going into the context menu and going to edit feed but this
> just allows me to change the url.  Option clicking on it does the
> same...
> 
> Perhaps I would need to drag and drop.  Or perhaps I'm
> misunderstanding the way folders work in Vienna...  Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> Catherine
> 
> On 4/4/14, Catherine Turner  wrote:
>> Ah thanks, that did it.
>> 
>> Catherine
>> 
>> On 4/4/14, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> Try VO shift space.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>> 
 On Apr 3, 2014, at 19:29, Catherine Turner
  wrote:
 
 Hi Sarah,
 
 Glad you mentioned Vienna, have downloaded it and it looks just the
 kind of thing I was after.  One question - I was looking in the
 preferences and don't seem to be able to activate any of the buttons
 other than "general" in the toolbar for the preferences.  Have you
 tried this?  Are you able to get to all of the preferences?
 
 Catherine
 
> On 4/2/14, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> I personally use down cast for osx, and vienna for my rss reader. I
> have
> my
> own personal reasons why I will not get QCast, but thanks for the
> review.
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:49 AM, David Griffith
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> After purchasing QCast for my Windows machine I noticed that I was
>> also
>> entitled to install it on my Mac for no extra fee.
>> 
>> My initial observations of QCast on the Mac side is very positive. It
>> is
>> designed for use with Voiceover for visually impaired people.
>> 
>> I was able to import my feed OPML from  my dropbox with no issue and
>> all
>> my
>> normal podcast subscriptions were instantly available in QCast.
>> 
>> So far I have only played Podcasts on the Mac side but if it follows
>> the
>> Windows implementation, as it appears to so far, you will be able to
>> download podcasts into a  QCast folder in your docum

Drag and drop was Re: Vienna

[Catherine Turner]

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone can help me be more successful at drag and drop.
I've been trying to create folders and put them in the order I want
and at the level I want in Vienna but this probably applies to other
situations too.

I never seem to be able to get the folders where I want them.  Quite
often folders I want at the same level as other folders end up inside
them instead.  i.e. I want all the folders to be at level 0 but often
when I drag a folder it ends up at level 1 inside another folder.  I
wonder whether the disclosure triangle has anything to do with this
and I have always been confused by the disclosure triangle.  I also
wonder whether the use of quick nav affects how it works.  I quite
often get confused when VO says things like "folder bla level 1
expanded, 2 items and closed" - it seems odd to me that it can
simultaneously say something is expanded and closed.

Anyway I wonder if anyone can help me understand how to drag and drop
folders.  I don't know enough to know whether what I'm trying to do is
impossible all together, impossible in Vienna or I'm simply doing the
wrong thing.

At the moment I have a folder I created called development and another
called food.  Food is further up the list and I want to put
development before food.  So I have quick nav on and have interacted
with the table.  I go to development, VO says "development edit text
collapsed".  I mark it for drag and drop and then move back up the
list to food.  But it seems no matter if I press drop, drop before or
drop after I always seem to end up with the development folder inside
food or another folder.

All I actually want to do is have all the folders at level 0 and
arranged alphabetically.  But when I create a new folder in Vienna it
often doesn't put it where I want which is why I got into this drag
and drop in the first place.

Can anyone help?

Thanks,
Catherine

On 4/5/14, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
> Catherine -
> Yes. Use drag and drop.
>
> On Apr 5, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Catherine Turner
>  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Another question.  I've created a folder and am wondering how to put
> certain feeds into it.  I can't figure this out from the menus, help
> or FAQs...I'm assuming it's possible.  I created a folder called
> TechNews and want to put some of the feeds already in Vienna into that
> folder.  Can anyone tell me if/how that's possible?
>
> I tried going into the context menu and going to edit feed but this
> just allows me to change the url.  Option clicking on it does the
> same...
>
> Perhaps I would need to drag and drop.  Or perhaps I'm
> misunderstanding the way folders work in Vienna...  Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Catherine
>
> On 4/4/14, Catherine Turner  wrote:
>> Ah thanks, that did it.
>>
>> Catherine
>>
>> On 4/4/14, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> Try VO shift space.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
 On Apr 3, 2014, at 19:29, Catherine Turner
  wrote:

 Hi Sarah,

 Glad you mentioned Vienna, have downloaded it and it looks just the
 kind of thing I was after.  One question - I was looking in the
 preferences and don't seem to be able to activate any of the buttons
 other than "general" in the toolbar for the preferences.  Have you
 tried this?  Are you able to get to all of the preferences?

 Catherine

> On 4/2/14, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> I personally use down cast for osx, and vienna for my rss reader. I
> have
> my
> own personal reasons why I will not get QCast, but thanks for the
> review.
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:49 AM, David Griffith
> 
> wrote:
>
>> After purchasing QCast for my Windows machine I noticed that I was
>> also
>> entitled to install it on my Mac for no extra fee.
>>
>> My initial observations of QCast on the Mac side is very positive. It
>> is
>> designed for use with Voiceover for visually impaired people.
>>
>> I was able to import my feed OPML from  my dropbox with no issue and
>> all
>> my
>> normal podcast subscriptions were instantly available in QCast.
>>
>> So far I have only played Podcasts on the Mac side but if it follows
>> the
>> Windows implementation, as it appears to so far, you will be able to
>> download podcasts into a  QCast folder in your documents directory. I
>> will
>> try to check this later.
>>
>> QCast offers nothing that is not already available in iTunes but does
>> so
>> with a massively simpler and easier interface. It is certainly more
>> straightforward to play a podcast than in iTunes.
>>
>> If your main way of listening to Podcasts is   on an iOS device you
>> may
>> be
>> better off sticking with Downcast  though where you can organise
>> everything
>> on your device.
>>
>> Having said that  QCast will definitely become my standard way of
>> playing
>> Podcasts on the Mac.
>>
>> QCast cost me $10 payable by PayPal and th

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