Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
On Mo, Jun 23, 2014 at 09:55:23 +1000, Sean Murphy wrote: Jason and all. The commands you have outlined are standard Linux/Unix commands. Yes, they are. But in my opinion and regarding what I've noticed while working in the Mac OS X terminal, there are bigger problems then the keyboard commands. One big issue is, that VoiceOver is not focusing the cursor possition all the times correctly. Try opening a file with vi and navigate in the file with arrow up and down to get spoken the current line. You will see, that VoiceOver sometimes reads the wrong line, sometimes the line above or below. Then try to use a program like mutt, my favorite mail programm :-). There you also notice the focusing problems but also that VoiceOver is not able to track a softcursor, which is used in many of textbased tools. Maybe the problems described above can be solved by changing some settings for VoiceOver or for the terminal, but I've not found out what needs to be changed :-(. But those both problems are the major show stoppers for a good terminal support in Mac OS in my opinion :-(. Cheers, Christian -- Christian Schoepplein - chris (at) schoeppi.net - http://schoeppi.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
Christian Schoepplein ch...@schoeppi.net wrote: One big issue is, that VoiceOver is not focusing the cursor possition all the times correctly. Try opening a file with vi and navigate in the file with arrow up and down to get spoken the current line. You will see, that VoiceOver sometimes reads the wrong line, sometimes the line above or below. Then try to use a program like mutt, my favorite mail programm :-). Mine too. There you also notice the focusing problems but also that VoiceOver is not able to track a softcursor, which is used in many of textbased tools. Adding the following line to your ~/.muttrc file might help: set braille_friendly=yes Mutt doesn't use a soft-cursor by default anyway. Maybe the problems described above can be solved by changing some settings for VoiceOver or for the terminal, but I've not found out what needs to be changed :-(. But those both problems are the major show stoppers for a good terminal support in Mac OS in my opinion :-(. It looks nasty. I'm a very intensive terminal user and that isn't going to change, so if anyone knows a good solution to the above, suggestions would be welcome. I'm planning to install Emacspeak, but that will only solve it for speech output, not for my braille display. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
PDf's
Hello, What is the best way to read PDF's on a Mac with Vo including navigation by headings, links, and so on like we are used with other platforms screen readers? Thanks, Adi. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: PDf's
I will not answer your full question but just to point out that on all platforms, including Windows, the ability to navigate by heading etc. in PDF documents depends on whether the PDF file has been tagged properly to allow these accessibility features. In my experience only a small percentage of PDF files have this tagging information included. If the heading or table tags are not included no screenreader will be able to find them. David Griffith David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Adi Kushnir Sent: 23 June 2014 09:54 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: PDf's Hello, What is the best way to read PDF's on a Mac with Vo including navigation by headings, links, and so on like we are used with other platforms screen readers? Thanks, Adi. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Abby Fine Reader
Dear listers, I understand this programme is well regarded in our community. Their web site is, however, hard to use to get info from. I am looking at hardware to go with this software. Can I ask for feedback on which makes of scanner or mfp people use and find compatible with abby and a mac using mountain lion? With thanks in advance Ian --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
accessing PDF forms on the mac using VO.
Hi all. what would be the best software to use when trying to input some information in to a PDF form? i have seen a foram chat on the applevis.com website which sujested using the PDF pen software. any idears whow I would go about compleeting this task?. Many thanks for your help. Kind regards. stuart. Sent from my iPhone --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Installing Mac OS X from USB flash drive
This guide I have written myself so hope you like it. It is below. Installing Mac OS X from a USB flash drive This guide will show you how to create a bootable USB flash drive to install Mac OS X. Here are the prerequisites. A USB flash drive that's at least 8 GB in size. The installer and other files take up at least this space. A program called DiskMakerX previously known as Lion Disk Maker available from http://liondiskmaker.com/ The latest version of a supported operating system (Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks) available from the Mac App Store. Instructions 1. Download the above two apps listed in the prerequisites. Important! After downloading the latest supported operating system from the Mac App Store the installer opens automatically. Do not proceed since the file will be erased upon the reboot. Instead, press command-q at the first screen of the installer where the continue button has the keyboard focus. 2. Open the DiskMakerX disk image in the finder. It should then appear in the image browser. You can accomplish this by highlighting the dmg file with just arrow keys and press command-o for open. 3. For reasons of better accessibility I then switch to list view with command-2. Copy the only .app file in there and paste into your applications folder. This is accomplished with command-c for copy, command-shift-a to open the Applications folder and command-v to paste. Once copied close all Finder windows with command-w so you're at the desktop and eject the disk image by first highlighting it with just arrow keys and press command-e for eject. 5. Connect the USB flash drive to your mac before beginning the next step. 6. Open the DiskMakerX which should now be located in your applications folder. 7. When prompted that Safari has downloaded this application from the web vo-arrow to the open button and press vo-space to activate. With QuickNav enabled with left-right arrows together you can simply navigate to the open button with left or right arrow keys then press up-down arrows together to activate. Note By VO throughout this guide I am talking about the VoiceOver keys which are control-option. 8. Follow the instructions on the screen. For example when choosing the operating system click either Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks button. 9. When it comes to the USB flash drive part choose to have it create as an 8 GB flash drive. You will be warned that all data will be erased so make sure your flash drive is backed up somewhere. Note If you have previously made a bootable USB flash drive you can update the volume here by clicking the appropriate button. Tip Since the application uses appropriate options as default buttons in most cases, pressing return will be enough to move on to the next screen. 10. The preparation and copying will eventually begin. Do not worry about any busy busy busy messages or that the app has no windows. It is just doing its work behind the scenes. Please enter any credentials when prompted. VoiceOver makes a clicking type sound when in password text fields. 11. When all finished, you are invited to either open Start-up Disk preferences so you can quickly change to the newly created or updated bootable USB flash drive and test your creations. You are also invited to make a donation to the developers which is in fact the default button so pressing return will open your browser allowing you to make such a donation. Finally there is a quit button which does what it says; quit the application. Let's then click the open Start-up Disk Preferences button. 12. Interact with the possible start-up disks scroll area, choose your bootable USB Flash Drive by selecting the appropriate radio buttons, stop interacting with the scroll area and click restart button. To interact and stop interact with VoiceOver do one of the following: A. Press vo-shift-down arrow to interact; vo-shift-up arrow to stop interacting. B. Press down-right arrows to interact; down-left arrows to stop interacting. This is assuming QuickNav is enabled with left-right arrows. 13. Click restart button again to confirm you want to restart the computer. 14. Your USB flash drive should now boot up and eventually display the Mac OS X Utilities with the applications table having keyboard focus. How long it takes depends on your USB flash drive. On my Verbatim 64 GB USB flash drive it takes about thirty seconds. 15. To enable the whole operation to talk and output to Braille if you have such facilities requires starting VoiceOver. To do this press command-F5. You may hear a different voice than what you're used to. This is because in effect a temporary copy of VoiceOver used for installation and other purposes is running and so the voice is set to Fred which runs on even older hardware. If using Braille only USB refreshable Braille displays will be supported at this time. 16. To manage your disks including partitioning, select Disk Utility and click continue
Re: Crome
Sean, Control-option is the VoiceOver modifier key. Control-command is the chromeVox modifier key. I know you knew that, but I thought that the information should be corrected for the benefit of others. On Jun 22, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Sean Murphy smur7...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Margaret, Chrome uses control option key to activate command options. If you press cmd quickly twice toggles between on/off sticky mode. This is the method in which I use it. Below are some commands to know: ctrl opt = - toggles between group, object, line, and word. This is the way in which you control the amount of information you hear at once. I normally use object and line. ctrl opt up/down arrows moves you through the page at the level of information you want to hear. ctrl opt left and right arrow moves at the next lower level of information. For example, if you are using Line. Then left/right arrow will move by word. ctrl opt . “period” brings up the list of available options with their parameters. enter - activates a link or object. There is no form modes or the need to interact with the editable web elements. Make sure you do not have the sticky mode enable when entering in data. You have to turn on table mode to navigate them by row, cel, column, etc. There are other options, but this will get you started. On 23 Jun 2014, at 6:19 am, Margaret Booth margaretebo...@gmail.com wrote: A while ago someone one on the list sent links on where to download chrome and the how to use chrome. I did save the email at the time but I have had some issues with my emails and I lost the email. Could someone please send me the information on chrome. Margaret Sent from my iPhone --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: PDf's
Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a very good job with pdf's. 2014-06-23 12:42 GMT+03:00, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com: I will not answer your full question but just to point out that on all platforms, including Windows, the ability to navigate by heading etc. in PDF documents depends on whether the PDF file has been tagged properly to allow these accessibility features. In my experience only a small percentage of PDF files have this tagging information included. If the heading or table tags are not included no screenreader will be able to find them. David Griffith David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Adi Kushnir Sent: 23 June 2014 09:54 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: PDf's Hello, What is the best way to read PDF's on a Mac with Vo including navigation by headings, links, and so on like we are used with other platforms screen readers? Thanks, Adi. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ -- Regards, Adi Kushnir. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: PDf's
Have you tried Skim from Source Forge, link below. http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/ - Original Message - From: Adi Kushnir adikush...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 12:57 PM Subject: Re: PDf's Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a very good job with pdf's. 2014-06-23 12:42 GMT+03:00, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com: I will not answer your full question but just to point out that on all platforms, including Windows, the ability to navigate by heading etc. in PDF documents depends on whether the PDF file has been tagged properly to allow these accessibility features. In my experience only a small percentage of PDF files have this tagging information included. If the heading or table tags are not included no screenreader will be able to find them. David Griffith David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Adi Kushnir Sent: 23 June 2014 09:54 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: PDf's Hello, What is the best way to read PDF's on a Mac with Vo including navigation by headings, links, and so on like we are used with other platforms screen readers? Thanks, Adi. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ -- Regards, Adi Kushnir. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy.
Re: Installing Mac OS X from USB flash drive
I actually know how to and have done both the disk makerx and the drag drop method. The reason I learned both is we don't knwo what will happen in terms of bootable media and how it will be done in future os builds and version sos it's importent in my view to learn both. On Jun 23, 2014, at 5:15, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: This guide I have written myself so hope you like it. It is below. Installing Mac OS X from a USB flash drive This guide will show you how to create a bootable USB flash drive to install Mac OS X. Here are the prerequisites. A USB flash drive that's at least 8 GB in size. The installer and other files take up at least this space. A program called DiskMakerX previously known as Lion Disk Maker available from http://liondiskmaker.com/ The latest version of a supported operating system (Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks) available from the Mac App Store. Instructions 1. Download the above two apps listed in the prerequisites. Important! After downloading the latest supported operating system from the Mac App Store the installer opens automatically. Do not proceed since the file will be erased upon the reboot. Instead, press command-q at the first screen of the installer where the continue button has the keyboard focus. 2. Open the DiskMakerX disk image in the finder. It should then appear in the image browser. You can accomplish this by highlighting the dmg file with just arrow keys and press command-o for open. 3. For reasons of better accessibility I then switch to list view with command-2. Copy the only .app file in there and paste into your applications folder. This is accomplished with command-c for copy, command-shift-a to open the Applications folder and command-v to paste. Once copied close all Finder windows with command-w so you're at the desktop and eject the disk image by first highlighting it with just arrow keys and press command-e for eject. 5. Connect the USB flash drive to your mac before beginning the next step. 6. Open the DiskMakerX which should now be located in your applications folder. 7. When prompted that Safari has downloaded this application from the web vo-arrow to the open button and press vo-space to activate. With QuickNav enabled with left-right arrows together you can simply navigate to the open button with left or right arrow keys then press up-down arrows together to activate. Note By VO throughout this guide I am talking about the VoiceOver keys which are control-option. 8. Follow the instructions on the screen. For example when choosing the operating system click either Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks button. 9. When it comes to the USB flash drive part choose to have it create as an 8 GB flash drive. You will be warned that all data will be erased so make sure your flash drive is backed up somewhere. Note If you have previously made a bootable USB flash drive you can update the volume here by clicking the appropriate button. Tip Since the application uses appropriate options as default buttons in most cases, pressing return will be enough to move on to the next screen. 10. The preparation and copying will eventually begin. Do not worry about any busy busy busy messages or that the app has no windows. It is just doing its work behind the scenes. Please enter any credentials when prompted. VoiceOver makes a clicking type sound when in password text fields. 11. When all finished, you are invited to either open Start-up Disk preferences so you can quickly change to the newly created or updated bootable USB flash drive and test your creations. You are also invited to make a donation to the developers which is in fact the default button so pressing return will open your browser allowing you to make such a donation. Finally there is a quit button which does what it says; quit the application. Let's then click the open Start-up Disk Preferences button. 12. Interact with the possible start-up disks scroll area, choose your bootable USB Flash Drive by selecting the appropriate radio buttons, stop interacting with the scroll area and click restart button. To interact and stop interact with VoiceOver do one of the following: A. Press vo-shift-down arrow to interact; vo-shift-up arrow to stop interacting. B. Press down-right arrows to interact; down-left arrows to stop interacting. This is assuming QuickNav is enabled with left-right arrows. 13. Click restart button again to confirm you want to restart the computer. 14. Your USB flash drive should now boot up and eventually display the Mac OS X Utilities with the applications table having keyboard focus. How long it takes depends on your USB flash drive. On my Verbatim 64 GB USB flash drive it takes about thirty seconds. 15. To enable the whole operation to talk and output to Braille if you have such facilities requires starting VoiceOver. To do this press
Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
Hi Jason, On Mo, Jun 23, 2014 at 06:16:01 +1000, Jason White wrote: Christian Schoepplein ch...@schoeppi.net wrote: One big issue is, that VoiceOver is not focusing the cursor possition all the times correctly. Try opening a file with vi and navigate in the file with arrow up and down to get spoken the current line. You will see, that VoiceOver sometimes reads the wrong line, sometimes the line above or below. Then try to use a program like mutt, my favorite mail programm :-). Mine too. *lol* Yes, there is nothing better :-). There you also notice the focusing problems but also that VoiceOver is not able to track a softcursor, which is used in many of textbased tools. Adding the following line to your ~/.muttrc file might help: set braille_friendly=yes Mutt doesn't use a soft-cursor by default anyway. I'm not sure if this setting for mutt will help. From the mutt manual: - 3.23. braille_friendly Type: boolean Default: no When this variable is set, mutt will place the cursor at the beginning of the current line in menus, even when the $arrow_cursor variable is unset, making it easier for blind persons using Braille displays to follow these menus. The option is unset by default because many visual terminals don't permit making the cursor invisible. - The problem isn't the not displayed cursor, but that VO does not track the cursor in some situations. For example, if you are in the message list and press / to search a particular message, VO keeps focusing the selected message in the list and does not jump to the bottom of the screen into the field where the searchterm can be inserted. I'll try the mutt setting, maybe it helps, but I believe it will not :-(. And ofcourse that will not change the problem with the lines that are not read corect in editors or in the shell. Maybe the problems described above can be solved by changing some settings for VoiceOver or for the terminal, but I've not found out what needs to be changed :-(. But those both problems are the major show stoppers for a good terminal support in Mac OS in my opinion :-(. It looks nasty. I'm a very intensive terminal user and that isn't going to change, so if anyone knows a good solution to the above, suggestions would be welcome. There've been some hints how to configure the terminal to get VO work better, but they did not work for me :-(. Regards from Munich, Christian --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: accessing PDF forms on the mac using VO.
Hello Stuart, I would strongly urge you to download and try the latest version of PDFpen from the www.smilesoftware.com website. The trial version has a few limitations but nothing that will prevent testing a PDF file to see if you can access the form fields. I’ve been testing the latest version, 6.3, and have found that I can navigate through, interact with, and fill form fields in PDF files using standard tab and VO navigation techniques. Note that I have been testing with PDF files that I know were created using the PDF accessibility guidelines, and YMMV if you are attempting to work with non-compliant PDF files. Also note that I’ve only been focussing on testing the specific VO improvements mentioned by the Developer in the current release notes, including labeling of buttons and access to form fields. I don’t think PDFpen yet provides full access to headings, tables, etc. In my opinion version 6.3 of the PDFpen application provides a glimmer of hope that true access to accessible PDF files may someday become a reality on the Mac. HTH, Bryan On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Stuart Young stuartyo...@samobile.net wrote: what would be the best software to use when trying to input some information in to a PDF form? i have seen a foram chat on the applevis.com website which sujested using the PDF pen software. any idears whow I would go about compleeting this task?. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Installing Mac OS X from USB flash drive
Please share the drag and drop method if you can in return. Thanks! Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 23/06/2014 16:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote: I actually know how to and have done both the disk makerx and the drag drop method. The reason I learned both is we don't knwo what will happen in terms of bootable media and how it will be done in future os builds and version sos it's importent in my view to learn both. On Jun 23, 2014, at 5:15, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: This guide I have written myself so hope you like it. It is below. Installing Mac OS X from a USB flash drive This guide will show you how to create a bootable USB flash drive to install Mac OS X. Here are the prerequisites. A USB flash drive that's at least 8 GB in size. The installer and other files take up at least this space. A program called DiskMakerX previously known as Lion Disk Maker available from http://liondiskmaker.com/ The latest version of a supported operating system (Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks) available from the Mac App Store. Instructions 1. Download the above two apps listed in the prerequisites. Important! After downloading the latest supported operating system from the Mac App Store the installer opens automatically. Do not proceed since the file will be erased upon the reboot. Instead, press command-q at the first screen of the installer where the continue button has the keyboard focus. 2. Open the DiskMakerX disk image in the finder. It should then appear in the image browser. You can accomplish this by highlighting the dmg file with just arrow keys and press command-o for open. 3. For reasons of better accessibility I then switch to list view with command-2. Copy the only .app file in there and paste into your applications folder. This is accomplished with command-c for copy, command-shift-a to open the Applications folder and command-v to paste. Once copied close all Finder windows with command-w so you're at the desktop and eject the disk image by first highlighting it with just arrow keys and press command-e for eject. 5. Connect the USB flash drive to your mac before beginning the next step. 6. Open the DiskMakerX which should now be located in your applications folder. 7. When prompted that Safari has downloaded this application from the web vo-arrow to the open button and press vo-space to activate. With QuickNav enabled with left-right arrows together you can simply navigate to the open button with left or right arrow keys then press up-down arrows together to activate. Note By VO throughout this guide I am talking about the VoiceOver keys which are control-option. 8. Follow the instructions on the screen. For example when choosing the operating system click either Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks button. 9. When it comes to the USB flash drive part choose to have it create as an 8 GB flash drive. You will be warned that all data will be erased so make sure your flash drive is backed up somewhere. Note If you have previously made a bootable USB flash drive you can update the volume here by clicking the appropriate button. Tip Since the application uses appropriate options as default buttons in most cases, pressing return will be enough to move on to the next screen. 10. The preparation and copying will eventually begin. Do not worry about any busy busy busy messages or that the app has no windows. It is just doing its work behind the scenes. Please enter any credentials when prompted. VoiceOver makes a clicking type sound when in password text fields. 11. When all finished, you are invited to either open Start-up Disk preferences so you can quickly change to the newly created or updated bootable USB flash drive and test your creations. You are also invited to make a donation to the developers which is in fact the default button so pressing return will open your browser allowing you to make such a donation. Finally there is a quit button which does what it says; quit the application. Let's then click the open Start-up Disk Preferences button. 12. Interact with the possible start-up disks scroll area, choose your bootable USB Flash Drive by selecting the appropriate radio buttons, stop interacting with the scroll area and click restart button. To interact and stop interact with VoiceOver do one of the following: A. Press vo-shift-down arrow to interact; vo-shift-up arrow to stop interacting. B. Press down-right arrows to interact; down-left arrows to stop interacting. This is assuming QuickNav is enabled with left-right arrows. 13. Click restart button again to confirm you want to restart the computer. 14. Your USB flash drive should now boot up and eventually display the Mac OS X Utilities with the applications table having keyboard focus. How long it takes depends on your USB flash drive. On my Verbatim 64 GB USB flash drive it takes about thirty seconds. 15. To enable the whole
Re: PDf's
Hello Adi, Access to PDF files is an important part of my day-to-day life and I’ve tested a dozen or more PDF reading Mac apps over the past few years but have found no single app that provides anything resembling true access to properly tagged PDF files on the Mac. I assumed all PDF files must just be inherently inaccessible because my only point of reference was the limited access provided by the PDF tools available to Mac VO Users. It was only recently that I discovered how wonderfully accessible a properly created PDF file can be when read on Windows. While Preview and Skim provide basic access to PDF files on the Mac, AFAIK there is no tool on the Mac that even comes close to properly handling accessible PDF files in the way that the free Adobe Reader does on Windows. Speaking of Adobe Reader, the Mac version is essentially useless in terms of VO access. On a hopeful note, the latest version of the paid PDFpen application shows promise as the Developer specifically focussed on VO usage including making form fields accessible. I don’t think PDFpen yet provides accessible navigation by headings, etc, but it might be worth testing if PDF files are important to you. HTH, Bryan On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Adi Kushnir adikush...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a very good job with pdf's. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: PDf's
Hi Brian, Thanks. So, it seems that I will have to install another operating system on my expensive Mac Book Pro to get this job done. Ok, I'll do that. Thanks, Adi. 2014-06-23 18:31 GMT+03:00, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com: Hello Adi, Access to PDF files is an important part of my day-to-day life and I've tested a dozen or more PDF reading Mac apps over the past few years but have found no single app that provides anything resembling true access to properly tagged PDF files on the Mac. I assumed all PDF files must just be inherently inaccessible because my only point of reference was the limited access provided by the PDF tools available to Mac VO Users. It was only recently that I discovered how wonderfully accessible a properly created PDF file can be when read on Windows. While Preview and Skim provide basic access to PDF files on the Mac, AFAIK there is no tool on the Mac that even comes close to properly handling accessible PDF files in the way that the free Adobe Reader does on Windows. Speaking of Adobe Reader, the Mac version is essentially useless in terms of VO access. On a hopeful note, the latest version of the paid PDFpen application shows promise as the Developer specifically focussed on VO usage including making form fields accessible. I don't think PDFpen yet provides accessible navigation by headings, etc, but it might be worth testing if PDF files are important to you. HTH, Bryan On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Adi Kushnir adikush...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that is true, but it looks like preview on the Mac does not do a very good job with pdf's. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ -- Regards, Adi Kushnir. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Installing Mac OS X from USB flash drive
I've posted a guide on here before, I think, anyway, I mainly wrote the guide up for myself except I did not write how to reverse the steps of showign all files as I forgot to include that.Anywy here is the link to the post. http://www.tffppodcast.com/blog-post-how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-disk-using-voice-over-and-disk-utility/ Hth. On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Please share the drag and drop method if you can in return. Thanks! Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 23/06/2014 16:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote: I actually know how to and have done both the disk makerx and the drag drop method. The reason I learned both is we don't knwo what will happen in terms of bootable media and how it will be done in future os builds and version sos it's importent in my view to learn both. On Jun 23, 2014, at 5:15, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: This guide I have written myself so hope you like it. It is below. Installing Mac OS X from a USB flash drive This guide will show you how to create a bootable USB flash drive to install Mac OS X. Here are the prerequisites. A USB flash drive that's at least 8 GB in size. The installer and other files take up at least this space. A program called DiskMakerX previously known as Lion Disk Maker available from http://liondiskmaker.com/ The latest version of a supported operating system (Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks) available from the Mac App Store. Instructions 1. Download the above two apps listed in the prerequisites. Important! After downloading the latest supported operating system from the Mac App Store the installer opens automatically. Do not proceed since the file will be erased upon the reboot. Instead, press command-q at the first screen of the installer where the continue button has the keyboard focus. 2. Open the DiskMakerX disk image in the finder. It should then appear in the image browser. You can accomplish this by highlighting the dmg file with just arrow keys and press command-o for open. 3. For reasons of better accessibility I then switch to list view with command-2. Copy the only .app file in there and paste into your applications folder. This is accomplished with command-c for copy, command-shift-a to open the Applications folder and command-v to paste. Once copied close all Finder windows with command-w so you're at the desktop and eject the disk image by first highlighting it with just arrow keys and press command-e for eject. 5. Connect the USB flash drive to your mac before beginning the next step. 6. Open the DiskMakerX which should now be located in your applications folder. 7. When prompted that Safari has downloaded this application from the web vo-arrow to the open button and press vo-space to activate. With QuickNav enabled with left-right arrows together you can simply navigate to the open button with left or right arrow keys then press up-down arrows together to activate. Note By VO throughout this guide I am talking about the VoiceOver keys which are control-option. 8. Follow the instructions on the screen. For example when choosing the operating system click either Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks button. 9. When it comes to the USB flash drive part choose to have it create as an 8 GB flash drive. You will be warned that all data will be erased so make sure your flash drive is backed up somewhere. Note If you have previously made a bootable USB flash drive you can update the volume here by clicking the appropriate button. Tip Since the application uses appropriate options as default buttons in most cases, pressing return will be enough to move on to the next screen. 10. The preparation and copying will eventually begin. Do not worry about any busy busy busy messages or that the app has no windows. It is just doing its work behind the scenes. Please enter any credentials when prompted. VoiceOver makes a clicking type sound when in password text fields. 11. When all finished, you are invited to either open Start-up Disk preferences so you can quickly change to the newly created or updated bootable USB flash drive and test your creations. You are also invited to make a donation to the developers which is in fact the default button so pressing return will open your browser allowing you to make such a donation. Finally there is a quit button which does what it says; quit the application. Let's then click the open Start-up Disk Preferences button. 12. Interact with the possible start-up disks scroll area, choose your bootable USB Flash Drive by selecting the appropriate radio buttons, stop interacting with the scroll area and click restart button. To interact and stop interact with VoiceOver do one of the following: A. Press vo-shift-down arrow to interact; vo-shift-up arrow to stop
Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
Team, I think we should compile the short comings of the terminal app and send them to Apple Accessibility. They might or might not know the short comings. Do you know how the screen app manages the cursor and if there is any settings to improve this? Since Vo only speaks the last half of the prompt when you are accessing a different device. Sean On 24 Jun 2014, at 1:10 am, Christian Schoepplein ch...@schoeppi.net wrote: Hi Jason, On Mo, Jun 23, 2014 at 06:16:01 +1000, Jason White wrote: Christian Schoepplein ch...@schoeppi.net wrote: One big issue is, that VoiceOver is not focusing the cursor possition all the times correctly. Try opening a file with vi and navigate in the file with arrow up and down to get spoken the current line. You will see, that VoiceOver sometimes reads the wrong line, sometimes the line above or below. Then try to use a program like mutt, my favorite mail programm :-). Mine too. *lol* Yes, there is nothing better :-). There you also notice the focusing problems but also that VoiceOver is not able to track a softcursor, which is used in many of textbased tools. Adding the following line to your ~/.muttrc file might help: set braille_friendly=yes Mutt doesn't use a soft-cursor by default anyway. I'm not sure if this setting for mutt will help. From the mutt manual: - 3.23. braille_friendly Type: boolean Default: no When this variable is set, mutt will place the cursor at the beginning of the current line in menus, even when the $arrow_cursor variable is unset, making it easier for blind persons using Braille displays to follow these menus. The option is unset by default because many visual terminals don't permit making the cursor invisible. - The problem isn't the not displayed cursor, but that VO does not track the cursor in some situations. For example, if you are in the message list and press / to search a particular message, VO keeps focusing the selected message in the list and does not jump to the bottom of the screen into the field where the searchterm can be inserted. I'll try the mutt setting, maybe it helps, but I believe it will not :-(. And ofcourse that will not change the problem with the lines that are not read corect in editors or in the shell. Maybe the problems described above can be solved by changing some settings for VoiceOver or for the terminal, but I've not found out what needs to be changed :-(. But those both problems are the major show stoppers for a good terminal support in Mac OS in my opinion :-(. It looks nasty. I'm a very intensive terminal user and that isn't going to change, so if anyone knows a good solution to the above, suggestions would be welcome. There've been some hints how to configure the terminal to get VO work better, but they did not work for me :-(. Regards from Munich, Christian --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
Jason, I also wish to install EmacSpeak if it uses the Apple speech to learn it. Is there a simple how to guide on configuring the Mac and EmacSpeak? Sean On 24 Jun 2014, at 1:10 am, Christian Schoepplein ch...@schoeppi.net wrote: Hi Jason, On Mo, Jun 23, 2014 at 06:16:01 +1000, Jason White wrote: Christian Schoepplein ch...@schoeppi.net wrote: One big issue is, that VoiceOver is not focusing the cursor possition all the times correctly. Try opening a file with vi and navigate in the file with arrow up and down to get spoken the current line. You will see, that VoiceOver sometimes reads the wrong line, sometimes the line above or below. Then try to use a program like mutt, my favorite mail programm :-). Mine too. *lol* Yes, there is nothing better :-). There you also notice the focusing problems but also that VoiceOver is not able to track a softcursor, which is used in many of textbased tools. Adding the following line to your ~/.muttrc file might help: set braille_friendly=yes Mutt doesn't use a soft-cursor by default anyway. I'm not sure if this setting for mutt will help. From the mutt manual: - 3.23. braille_friendly Type: boolean Default: no When this variable is set, mutt will place the cursor at the beginning of the current line in menus, even when the $arrow_cursor variable is unset, making it easier for blind persons using Braille displays to follow these menus. The option is unset by default because many visual terminals don't permit making the cursor invisible. - The problem isn't the not displayed cursor, but that VO does not track the cursor in some situations. For example, if you are in the message list and press / to search a particular message, VO keeps focusing the selected message in the list and does not jump to the bottom of the screen into the field where the searchterm can be inserted. I'll try the mutt setting, maybe it helps, but I believe it will not :-(. And ofcourse that will not change the problem with the lines that are not read corect in editors or in the shell. Maybe the problems described above can be solved by changing some settings for VoiceOver or for the terminal, but I've not found out what needs to be changed :-(. But those both problems are the major show stoppers for a good terminal support in Mac OS in my opinion :-(. It looks nasty. I'm a very intensive terminal user and that isn't going to change, so if anyone knows a good solution to the above, suggestions would be welcome. There've been some hints how to configure the terminal to get VO work better, but they did not work for me :-(. Regards from Munich, Christian --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
Sean Murphy smur7...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Jason, I also wish to install EmacSpeak if it uses the Apple speech to learn it. Is there a simple how to guide on configuring the Mac and EmacSpeak? http://e-mac-speak.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/e-mac-speak-howto.org The speech server for OS X is included in Emacspeak. I haven't tried to follow these instructions yet, so I don't know whether they're up to date. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Server Transition: IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ!
But I am on the list. Just please don't take me off? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 22, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for confusing your name with someone else's. Please accept my apology. Eileen On Jun 22, 2014, at 5:30 AM, Gordon, Lynne Tracy supp...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody As some of you may be aware, we have been planning for some time to migrate the Mac Access server to a new physical server system and also to a new DNS host. This involves a very great deal of work on our part and I’d like to tell you a little bit about why that is the case. For some time now, we have been experiencing a problem with the server administration tools we used to use to help us administrate both the member listing for all of our groups, and also other vital server configurational data. The net result of these problems is that the member listing is not visible to us at all, neither is any of the other server data, or the list data itself. Therefore, the only access we have to the list configuration is that which every user has to their own specific configuration. Without going into too much technical detail, Gordon keeps having to manually rebuild the Open Directory database because there’s a problem somewhere in the system and it keeps causing corruption. The GUI-based administration tools are useless so Gordon needs to use the Terminal and command line tools to keep this airplane flying! Indeed, Apple’s own engineering staff have been unable to determine the cause of the problem and their ultimate advice was to simply trash the server instance totally and rebuild it from the ground up with a new OS install. That is fine in principle, but we are keen to retain as much information as possible in order to minimise inconvenience to our clients and group members. Please know that even those of you who are not our direct clients are important to us. Although our first duty is to those for whom we host services, we regard all of our members as part of what we do. Anyway I am babbling. e h This means that, in order to obtain the address of each user, along with any specific configuration settings they may have set, we have to effectivelyΩzsw log in as though we were that user via the web interface at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/your-address@your-host.whatever/. Aside from this, we’re going to have to manually replicate all of the generic list data onthe new server for every single one of the groups hosted here. This, believe me, is no easy task; as some of the groups used by our commercial clients use very highly configured virtual hosts. One of our most valued non-commercial clients has multilingual options configured which we are also very keen to replicate. We shall be in touch with that client directly shortly to discuss the way forward for them. Gordon has spent most of this weekend working behind the scenes in the room from which we run all of our servers; (I’ve almost forgotten what he looks like! ;-)); on the new system, and even as I write he estimates that several more days will elapse before we’re ready to even test the new system locally, let alone expose it to the Internet. Why am I telling you all this? It’s really quite simple. We require, and would very much appreciate, your assistance. It would make our lives far easier if you as list members would take a moment to drop us a line privately, using the support address supp...@mac-access.net to let us know whether or not you anticipate or intend to remain a member of this group in the medium to long term, or even whether you wish us to add you to the new system at all. As well as this, we would be grateful if you would please let us have details of any specific settings you have configured on our server. For instance, if you are using digest mode to receive messages in bulk, whether you have a system password configured which overrides the default, etc.. Of course, when the new instance goes live, you will be able to modify your own configuration once you’ve been subscribed. We are simply trying to save you the work and minimise your inconvenience. :) We have not far short of 500 members in this group alone now, and it would be a horrendously laborious task for Gordon to use the web interface to inspect every single user’s individual configuration; especially since the majority of users have never changed any settings. You may say “why not just use the defaults then?” That in theory may save time. But we are anxious to have the transition be as seamless as possible for everybody and, therefore, we’d like to have this data available in a database which I shall be compiling for Gordon as and when we receive each member’s response. We plan to maintain this database in the longer term, so that we do have a permanent record of
Can't get drive door open
I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air. I put a cd in and now I can’t get the door open. I may have put it in upside down. At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up. I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to open. What can I try? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Can't get drive door open
Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside. Best, Zack. On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air. I put a cd in and now I can’t get the door open. I may have put it in upside down. At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up. I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to open. What can I try? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Can't get drive door open
Could you possibly, describe where the eject key would be located, on the MacBook air key board? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside. Best, Zack. On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air. I put a cd in and now I can’t get the door open. I may have put it in upside down. At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up. I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to open. What can I try? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Can't get drive door open
Oops, it seems modern MBAs don’t have an eject button. The suggestions I’m seeing are to find the disk in Finder and hit command-e on it. Does it show up on your desktop? On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Where is the eject button? I was trying to use the command in iTunes? On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside. Best, Zack. On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air. I put a cd in and now I can’t get the door open. I may have put it in upside down. At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up. I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to open. What can I try? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Abby Fine Reader
Hello Ian, I’m not sure what hardware ABBYY recommends, but I've been using a Canon PIXMA MX922 MFP and have had no issues using it in conjunction with ABBYY FineReader Pro. I connect my Mac and other computing devices via Wi-Fi and am able to scan from the flatbed and the ADF. The ADF’s duplex function also works fine. On the downside, this model Canon does not provide a very accessible hardware interface and will likely require sighted assistance during initial setup. HTH, Bryan On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:47 AM, Ian Harrison harrisonc...@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk wrote: I understand this programme is well regarded in our community. Their web site is, however, hard to use to get info from. I am looking at hardware to go with this software. Can I ask for feedback on which makes of scanner or mfp people use and find compatible with abby and a mac using mountain lion? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Can't get drive door open
They do have an eject button but if you hold it down it shuts off the computer, or it gives that option anyway. it feels weird but there you go. On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Oops, it seems modern MBAs don’t have an eject button. The suggestions I’m seeing are to find the disk in Finder and hit command-e on it. Does it show up on your desktop? On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Where is the eject button? I was trying to use the command in iTunes? On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside. Best, Zack. On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air. I put a cd in and now I can’t get the door open. I may have put it in upside down. At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up. I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to open. What can I try? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something
Re: Can't get drive door open
No, it doesn’t show up on the desktop. On Jun 23, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Oops, it seems modern MBAs don’t have an eject button. The suggestions I’m seeing are to find the disk in Finder and hit command-e on it. Does it show up on your desktop? On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Where is the eject button? I was trying to use the command in iTunes? On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside. Best, Zack. On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air. I put a cd in and now I can’t get the door open. I may have put it in upside down. At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up. I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to open. What can I try? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the
Re: Can't get drive door open
Hi, With the computer off hold in the mouse, and while holding hit the power button. Keep holding and you should here it come out but only a guess. On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air. I put a cd in and now I can’t get the door open. I may have put it in upside down. At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up. I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to open. What can I try? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Can't get drive door open
I held the button down and the Mac shut down but when I logged back in, I found the drive on the desktop and did the cmd E and the door popped open. Thanks everyone for the help. On Jun 23, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: They do have an eject button but if you hold it down it shuts off the computer, or it gives that option anyway. it feels weird but there you go. On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Oops, it seems modern MBAs don’t have an eject button. The suggestions I’m seeing are to find the disk in Finder and hit command-e on it. Does it show up on your desktop? On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Where is the eject button? I was trying to use the command in iTunes? On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside. Best, Zack. On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air. I put a cd in and now I can’t get the door open. I may have put it in upside down. At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up. I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to open. What can I try? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators,
Re: Can't get drive door open
Hmm. Ok, I guess that works. I've never heard of that hapepning, but glad you got it out. Nowwhen you say door what do you mean as yoru drive unless you have a differen one shoudl be slot loading. Take care and glad you did get it solved. On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I held the button down and the Mac shut down but when I logged back in, I found the drive on the desktop and did the cmd E and the door popped open. Thanks everyone for the help. On Jun 23, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: They do have an eject button but if you hold it down it shuts off the computer, or it gives that option anyway. it feels weird but there you go. On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Oops, it seems modern MBAs don’t have an eject button. The suggestions I’m seeing are to find the disk in Finder and hit command-e on it. Does it show up on your desktop? On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Where is the eject button? I was trying to use the command in iTunes? On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside. Best, Zack. On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air. I put a cd in and now I can’t get the door open. I may have put it in upside down. At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up. I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to open. What can I try? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's
Re: Can't get drive door open
Glad that worked for you! - Original Message - From: Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Can't get drive door open I held the button down and the Mac shut down but when I logged back in, I found the drive on the desktop and did the cmd E and the door popped open. Thanks everyone for the help. On Jun 23, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: They do have an eject button but if you hold it down it shuts off the computer, or it gives that option anyway. it feels weird but there you go. On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Oops, it seems modern MBAs don’t have an eject button. The suggestions I’m seeing are to find the disk in Finder and hit command-e on it. Does it show up on your desktop? On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Where is the eject button? I was trying to use the command in iTunes? On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside. Best, Zack. On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air. I put a cd in and now I can’t get the door open. I may have put it in upside down. At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up. I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to open. What can I try? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/.
Re: Can't get drive door open
It should be in the far upper right corner of the keyboard. - Original Message - From: Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Can't get drive door open Where is the eject button? I was trying to use the command in iTunes? On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside. Best, Zack. On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air. I put a cd in and now I can’t get the door open. I may have put it in upside down. At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up. I unplugged the drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to open. What can I try? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
