Re: [Mac-access]: Mail with Yosemite
After much frustration with the vo j command, I had the hard disk on my macbok air erased, followed by a clean install of Yosemite, and now the command works perfectly, at least in Mail and the Finder. So, if anyone is having the same problem, it's worth persevering -- it can work in Yosemite. Fred On 1/12/2014 6:50 p.m., Donald Bishop wrote: I’m using a similar setup with mail in classic view. When I go down my list of mailboxes I can use vo j to move to the list of messages. However, when I want to go back to the mailbox list, vo j does nothing. It used to work moving both ways in mavericks. Don On Nov 30, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Fred Smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks -- I tried repairing disk permissions, and restarting, but the VO-j jump comand still doesn't work. And yes, the finder is in list mode. Does anyone have any other ideas on how to make this very useful feature work properly? Thanks again, Fred. On 30/11/2014 10:06 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote: Try a permissions repair. On the finder make sure you are in list view. I normally write longer messages but it's pretty late here and I'm extremely tired. Hth and blessings. On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:46 PM, Fred Smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just setting up a new macbook air, running Yosemite, and I've struck a problem with mail. I prefer to use classic view, and on my old machine, running Mountain Lion, I use the jump command (VO j) as a quick way to jump between the mailboxes list and the messages table. But with the new machine, this no longer works, and VO j does nothing at all. As far as I can tell, all the mail settings and Voiceover settings are the same on both machines. Has the VO j command been removed, is this a bug, or have I just missed a vital setting? Any suggestions welcome. PS: The problem isn't confined to mail -- though that's the biggest issue for me. On the new machine, the jump command isn't working in the finder either. Thanks, Fred --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net
Re: [Mac-access]: Mail with Yosemite
Thanks -- I tried repairing disk permissions, and restarting, but the VO-j jump comand still doesn't work. And yes, the finder is in list mode. Does anyone have any other ideas on how to make this very useful feature work properly? Thanks again, Fred. On 30/11/2014 10:06 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote: Try a permissions repair. On the finder make sure you are in list view. I normally write longer messages but it's pretty late here and I'm extremely tired. Hth and blessings. On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:46 PM, Fred Smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just setting up a new macbook air, running Yosemite, and I've struck a problem with mail. I prefer to use classic view, and on my old machine, running Mountain Lion, I use the jump command (VO j) as a quick way to jump between the mailboxes list and the messages table. But with the new machine, this no longer works, and VO j does nothing at all. As far as I can tell, all the mail settings and Voiceover settings are the same on both machines. Has the VO j command been removed, is this a bug, or have I just missed a vital setting? Any suggestions welcome. PS: The problem isn't confined to mail -- though that's the biggest issue for me. On the new machine, the jump command isn't working in the finder either. Thanks, Fred --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
[Mac-access]: Mail with Yosemite
I'm just setting up a new macbook air, running Yosemite, and I've struck a problem with mail. I prefer to use classic view, and on my old machine, running Mountain Lion, I use the jump command (VO j) as a quick way to jump between the mailboxes list and the messages table. But with the new machine, this no longer works, and VO j does nothing at all. As far as I can tell, all the mail settings and Voiceover settings are the same on both machines. Has the VO j command been removed, is this a bug, or have I just missed a vital setting? Any suggestions welcome. PS: The problem isn't confined to mail -- though that's the biggest issue for me. On the new machine, the jump command isn't working in the finder either. Thanks, Fred --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Safari 6.1 bug?
I've just upgraded to Safari 6.1 and I wonder if anyone else has struck the same problem I'm encountering. Now, when I open a web page and ask for headings, Safari only announces one or two headings, even though I know there are more. For example, a Google search results page now announces only two headings, when I know there should be a dozen or so. After encountering this poblem, I've tested by trying Safari on another machine. Running the old version of Safari, headings announce fine. As soon as I upgraded to version 6.1, they no longer announced properly. Anyone have any idea how to fix this problem? And if not, how easy is it to revert to the previous version of Safari? (I'm running OSX Lion, 10.7.5). Thanks, Fred --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Tabbing to navigate in apps [was Re: Mail problems]
Thanks for your help. I also noticed some strange things happening when I used Control F7. As you say, it sometimes appears to tab you to the next control. Anyway, deleting the preferences file appears to have fixed things. And to answer your question, about VoiceOver reading message content vs. header, what I meant was that when I opened a message (using Command o), sometimes the text of the message would be in the Voiceover cursor, and the message would star reading, but other times the cursor would be on what Voiceover calls the headers group (name, subject, date) and I'd have to move down to the text area to start reading. Again, this problem seems to have vanished -- every message I open now is opening with the cursor on the message text and reading automatically. Fingers crossed. Fred On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello Fred, If your Tab key action has changed, you may have pressed Control-F7. This switches your Tab key action between moving keyboard focus between Text boxes and lists only and All controls. Check whether pressing Control-F7 restores your Tab key to the focus behavior that you expect. This can be tricky to troubleshoot, because if you have been in the mode where you used the Tab key to move focus between all controls, the controls that you moved focus to might depend on what toolbars, etc. you had showing (e.g., under your View menu options). So in the specific case of your question about using the Tab key in Mail, you might want to check that when you're in your Message Viewer window that your focus is on one of the mailboxes or in the messages table before you try to toggle the Tab key behavior with Control-F7. More generally, speaking of the Tab key behavior in other applications, this behavior can also depend on what View mode you are using, since you might not hav e lists to move focus to. In applications like iTunes, it can be quite convenient to use your tab key to cycle between the search text box, the table of your libraries, playlists, etc. and the table of the tracks in your selected library, playlist, etc. (I'm assuming that iTunes is set up in the Classic view that was used before iTunes 11, and that can be restored by showing the sidebar either with the Command-Option-s keyboard shortcut to toggle the sidebar between show and hide, or by using the View menu option to Show Sidebar; that you have selected the Songs radio button and are using list view, and that optionally you have used the Command-/ keyboard shortcut to toggle the status bar between show and hide, or by using the View menu option to Show Status Bar.) What's confusing about using Control-F7 is that it appears to tab you to the next control, but it can change your tab key action of moving focus depending on whether you have pressed this an odd or even number of times. I think David Woodworth mentioned this in one of his early Mac training podcasts at the Vision Australia site, but I don't remember which one. I don't know the answer to your second question about VoiceOver reading message content vs. header. Do you mean the subject line when you say header? And how are you opening your messages? HTH. Cheers, Esther On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:29 PM, fred smith wrote: Using Mail on my MacBook Air, I'm suddenly encountering two problems: 1) I can no longer jump use the Tab key to jump between the mailboxes and the messages table. Now, Tab just does nothing. There is a workaround, using VO-J, but Tab is more convenient. I've checked all the setting I can find but haven't been able to fix this. 2) When I open a message, sometimes Voiceover will start reading the message content. Other times, it will start reading the header. I can't see any pattern -- the choice seems to be random. On my desktop machine I don't have this problem -- Mail always starts reading the message text. Any suggestions? Thanks, Fred --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options
Re: Mail problems
No luck -- I rebuilt the mailboxes but tab still does nothing. Tab still works as usual in other applications, so the problem appears to be confined to mail. On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Very good let me know, I Would be interested to know how it comes out Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:58 PM, fred smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks -- I'll try that later and let you know how it tuns out. On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Well thanks, :-) I was just asking in reference to your machine. But it's okay, :-) I guess my question wasn't exactly phrased clearly. If you have all the Mail backed up, why not rebuild the database to see if it works? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 8:11 PM, fred smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: The exact details depend on the application, but Tab can be very handy. For example, it can step you through a dialogue, such as the save dialogue when working in Pages. On a web page, it will take you through the various form controls. And -- until now -- in Mail it will jump between the mailboxes list and the messages table. How it works will depend on the options chosen in the Keyboards Shortcut preferences, but it's well worth exploring. Fred. On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Out of curiosity, does the tab key work in other applications? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 5:29 AM, fred smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: Using Mail on my MacBook Air, I'm suddenly encountering two problems: 1) I can no longer jump use the Tab key to jump between the mailboxes and the messages table. Now, Tab just does nothing. There is a workaround, using VO-J, but Tab is more convenient. I've checked all the setting I can find but haven't been able to fix this. 2) When I open a message, sometimes Voiceover will start reading the message content. Other times, it will start reading the header. I can't see any pattern -- the choice seems to be random. On my desktop machine I don't have this problem -- Mail always starts reading the message text. Any suggestions? Thanks, Fred --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus
Re: Mail problems
Many thanks -- I've finally got the Tab working properly again. In the end, I followed your suggestion and deleted the mail preferences (library/preferences/com.apple.mail.plist), then reopened Mail. It was of course back in the default layout, but it was easy enough to restore my settings and Tab is once again working as it should: taking me between the mailboxes and the messages list. Thanks again. Fred On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Fred, Is your mail toolbar showing or hidden? One thing you can try if your mail toolbar is showing is to go to the View menu of the Mail menu bar and hide it. Then try tabbing. In an earlier post I wrote an explanation about how the exact tab focus behavior (using tab to move focus between all elements or just lists and text boxes) can get changed depending on where your focus is when you press Control-F7 to change this action. For example, in Mail on one system I found that I could break the ability to tab just between mailbox and message in the Message Viewer window by moving my focus to the search box (Command-Option-F), and then toggling the Control-F7 to change the focus action of the tab key from that location. Tabbing worked as expected in all other apps. Failing that, you can try to quit Mail and delete some mail preference files, or moving them to the Desktop. Perhaps one of these got corrupted. If you have a Time Machine backup of when things were working, try just copying over the plist files associated with mail. I don't remember all of these, but the main one would be com.apple.mail.plist. You can find it in Finder by first going to your user account with Command-Shift-H. Then use the Command-Shift-G go to folder shortcut, and type or paste into the text box of the dialog window: Library/Preferences and press return. There should be a com.apple.mail.plist file that you can copy or move to your Desktop. If this preference file is deleted from your Library/Preferences folder, then the next time you open your mail application, it will be as though you were using mail with the system defaults. You do have to configure your mail the way you want again from scratch, which is why it is better to use an old copy from when things were working the way you want. If you have an older cloned backup, you can copy the mail plist file from that disk into your account's current Library/Preferences folder. If, after you reconfigure your mail preferences, tabbing still doesn't work correctly, you can move back the version that you copied to your Desktop. Just remember to quit Mail first before you move the plist file over. Preference files get updated every time you exit an application, so if you copy an old file to your Library/Preferences folder while an application is open, it wi ll just get overwritten by your current settings when you close the application. This is also why plist files are the most likely thing to examine when troubleshooting, after trying things like a permissions repair under Disk Utility. Even though the incidence of problems is not high, these files get open an re-written every time you use an application, so over time, it's possible that one of the values gets set wrong. HTH. Cheers, Esther On 29 Mar 2013, at 04:09, Josh Gregory wrote: Very strange, the only other thing I can think of is if you might have a time machine backup of When it did work. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:15 AM, fred smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: No luck -- I rebuilt the mailboxes but tab still does nothing. Tab still works as usual in other applications, so the problem appears to be confined to mail. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http
Mail problems
Using Mail on my MacBook Air, I'm suddenly encountering two problems: 1) I can no longer jump use the Tab key to jump between the mailboxes and the messages table. Now, Tab just does nothing. There is a workaround, using VO-J, but Tab is more convenient. I've checked all the setting I can find but haven't been able to fix this. 2) When I open a message, sometimes Voiceover will start reading the message content. Other times, it will start reading the header. I can't see any pattern -- the choice seems to be random. On my desktop machine I don't have this problem -- Mail always starts reading the message text. Any suggestions? Thanks, Fred --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Mail problems
The exact details depend on the application, but Tab can be very handy. For example, it can step you through a dialogue, such as the save dialogue when working in Pages. On a web page, it will take you through the various form controls. And -- until now -- in Mail it will jump between the mailboxes list and the messages table. How it works will depend on the options chosen in the Keyboards Shortcut preferences, but it's well worth exploring. Fred. On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Out of curiosity, does the tab key work in other applications? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 5:29 AM, fred smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: Using Mail on my MacBook Air, I'm suddenly encountering two problems: 1) I can no longer jump use the Tab key to jump between the mailboxes and the messages table. Now, Tab just does nothing. There is a workaround, using VO-J, but Tab is more convenient. I've checked all the setting I can find but haven't been able to fix this. 2) When I open a message, sometimes Voiceover will start reading the message content. Other times, it will start reading the header. I can't see any pattern -- the choice seems to be random. On my desktop machine I don't have this problem -- Mail always starts reading the message text. Any suggestions? Thanks, Fred --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Mail problems
Thanks -- I'll try that later and let you know how it tuns out. On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Well thanks, :-) I was just asking in reference to your machine. But it's okay, :-) I guess my question wasn't exactly phrased clearly. If you have all the Mail backed up, why not rebuild the database to see if it works? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 8:11 PM, fred smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: The exact details depend on the application, but Tab can be very handy. For example, it can step you through a dialogue, such as the save dialogue when working in Pages. On a web page, it will take you through the various form controls. And -- until now -- in Mail it will jump between the mailboxes list and the messages table. How it works will depend on the options chosen in the Keyboards Shortcut preferences, but it's well worth exploring. Fred. On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Out of curiosity, does the tab key work in other applications? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2013, at 5:29 AM, fred smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: Using Mail on my MacBook Air, I'm suddenly encountering two problems: 1) I can no longer jump use the Tab key to jump between the mailboxes and the messages table. Now, Tab just does nothing. There is a workaround, using VO-J, but Tab is more convenient. I've checked all the setting I can find but haven't been able to fix this. 2) When I open a message, sometimes Voiceover will start reading the message content. Other times, it will start reading the header. I can't see any pattern -- the choice seems to be random. On my desktop machine I don't have this problem -- Mail always starts reading the message text. Any suggestions? Thanks, Fred --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message
Editing and sharing documents
I'm working on a project which involves jointly editing documents with other people who are using Word (on macs). I've been using Pages, which happily opens .docx files, and also allows me to export files in that format. So far, so good. But often, when my colleagues open my edited files, some of the formatting is missing (even basic stuff like bold or italic). If I could use Word, all would be well, but it isn't VO-accessible. Can anyone suggest a word processor which is both VO-accessible and more compatible with Word? Open Office, perhaps? Thanks, Fred Smith --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Google Docs
Thanks, I meant on the Mac, rather than IOS. I'll download the Google Drive app and do some testing. Fred On 23/01/2013, at 1:08 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Fred -- Are you referring to VoiceOver on the Mac or on an IOS device? In my experience, it is possible to accomplish some basic document creation, reading and editing,on both platforms but the level of access to collaboration tools is limited. My first suggestion would be to install the latest version of the Google Drive App, which is available from the App Store for IOS or as a DMG installer for Mac (outlined in the email I just sent to Ian). In IOS, that App will handle everything for you. On the Mac, the Google Drive App will handle file management but you'll still be working inside a web browser when reading or editing a doc. I strongly suggest using the latest Chrome browser and ChromeVox plugin if you intend to try any heavy lifting in Google Docs. That combo works much better than Safari VO when it comes to google docs. HTH, Bryan On Jan 22, 2013, at 3:50 AM, Fred Smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm interested in using Google Docs with Voiceover -- mainly because it might be a good way for several people to collaborate on editing a document. Can anyone tell me: How compatible with Voiceover is Google Docs? Thanks, Fred Smith --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Google Docs
I'm interested in using Google Docs with Voiceover -- mainly because it might be a good way for several people to collaborate on editing a document. Can anyone tell me: How compatible with Voiceover is Google Docs? Thanks, Fred Smith --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Why VoiceOver reads some PDFs strangely was Re: Skim Accessibility
I'm finding that Adobe Digital Editions 2.0 works quite well with PDFs . With VoiceOver, it will read continuously and without cutting off letters as Preview does (and Skim and Softcon, in my experience). ADE allows you to pause/restart, move up and down a page at a time, adjust the reading speed and so on. It doesn't allow you to interact with the text and use the more detailed reading commands -- by word, by sentence etc -- but purely for listening, it's the most accurate reder I've yet discovered. Fred On 13/11/2012, at 4:08 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: I've not tried it on anything above snowleopard, and not all since preview added the continuous reading mode, but the softcon pages has an application that will let you read pdf files. It's called softcon pdf viewer, and I stopped doing anything with it after preview got the continuous read mode as mentioned above, but for those who are having trouble with preview, it might be something to try. I won't guarantee better results, only that results might be different. It's located at the softcon mac pages at: http://www.softcon.com/mac/ It's not been compiled for the latest versions of osx, so it may not even work, but I suppose it's worth a try anyhow. hth. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Reading PDFs
Thanks, Does that (PDF to txt) produce a file that you can interact with and navigate -- reading by line, by sentence etc? Fred On 9/11/2012, at 10:54 PM, Danny Noonan wrote: It doesn't work well for me either. I invested in pdf to txt from the mac app store and it works quite well enough. It's certainly fast. A few seconds and 14 books were converted well enough to read. Danny: On 09/11/2012, at 7:10 PM, Chris christopher...@gmail.com wrote: You know what, I never got VoiceOver to work properly in Preview. I open a document and nothing in terms of navigation. Perhaps it's just the way I'm used to things, but any ideas would be very welcome indeed! Christopher Hallsworth On 09/11/2012 07:33, Fred Smith wrote: Does anyone have an answer for the problem I encounter when trying to read PDF files with Preview? As VoiceOver reads the PDF, it cuts off the first letter of each sentence, and adds the first letter of the next sentence. For example, if the PDF says: The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. It reads as: he quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. T This happens when I use the read all command (VO-A), and when I try reading by sentence (VO-S). Is this just the way things are with Preview, or is there a way of fixing the problem? So far, the best tool I've found for reading PDFs is VisioVoice, but I'd really like to use Preview if possible. I'm using a Macbook Air, with Lion (10.7.5). Thanks, Fred Smith --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Mac App Store - PDF to Text
Thanks, I'll have a look at that. What's the advantage of using a program like this, compared to opening a PDF -- in Preview, for example -- selecting all and then pasting into a word processing program such as TextEdit? Fred On 10/11/2012, at 12:52 AM, Danny Noonan wrote: Here's a direct link so you can check it out. https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/pdf-to-text/id43696?mt=12 Danny: --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Reading PDFs
Does anyone have an answer for the problem I encounter when trying to read PDF files with Preview? As VoiceOver reads the PDF, it cuts off the first letter of each sentence, and adds the first letter of the next sentence. For example, if the PDF says: The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. It reads as: he quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. T This happens when I use the read all command (VO-A), and when I try reading by sentence (VO-S). Is this just the way things are with Preview, or is there a way of fixing the problem? So far, the best tool I've found for reading PDFs is VisioVoice, but I'd really like to use Preview if possible. I'm using a Macbook Air, with Lion (10.7.5). Thanks, Fred Smith --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
